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98% of ROH fans can eat a dick. They desperately need to realize that trying to get themselves over only leads to a punch in the face from Chris Hero.
 
Seaking of ECW... anything of note happen tonight? I was too busy getting to the point of orgasm as Santino would say while playing COD4.
 
Morrison/Miz fued. CM Punk left without an opponet for survivor series unless they do a triple threat.

[quote name='JJSP']98% of ROH fans can eat a dick. They desperately need to realize that trying to get themselves over only leads to a punch in the face from Chris Hero.[/quote]
Have you seen Hero's new schtick? It's hilarious.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Have you seen Hero's new schtick? It's hilarious.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen much of ROH lately. I've been meaning to, but between school and work, I don't have much time. Eventually I'll have to pick up a bunch of DVD's on the cheap to catch up.

Out here, we get face Hero. He's been feuding with Human Tornado as of late in PWG, with Candice LaRae in between them. Sucks, cause he's better as a heel (much in the way that Punk is). It's weird, because in some feds (ROH), he feuds with Claudio, yet in PWG, they're the best of friends. I enjoy Hero, though. Pretty solid worker, and a really, really nice guy.
 
[quote name='beane316']You missed a 5 star Mark Henry vs Kane match. How dare you...[/QUOTE]

Haha, I figured as much. I'm sure I'll catch it in Botchmania 31. Ever since they turned it into Smackdown Jr. I haven't been interested. There really isn't anyone other than Morrison that could concievably take the belt off of Punk unless they bring someone from SD to be the new ECW champ, in which case I vote Rey Mysterio, only because that would be an amazing match.
 
[quote name='Brak']Because paying $100+ to boo a wrestling show that isn't ROH is hArDcOrE.

ROH fans are annoying.[/QUOTE]

ouch
 
am i the only miz fan on here? hes a chick magnet hoo rah!!!! i hope he doesnt get owned by that guitar hero wanna be jonny nitro
 
Miz's new shirt is fucking fabulous - it looks like something you'd see on Concentration.

Here's a video showing off a bunch of SvR '08 moves, including some new additions to the series, like the TKO.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1432817WHwCC9JS

The TKO actually looks pretty good, and I'm glad to see Shelley's knee-first cutter-ish thing in.

TNA IS NOT a threat to WWE. 30,000 pay for their PPVs each month, and that's actually being very positive, as their buyrates have dropped from 30,000 a month regularly down to 25,000. WWE's lowest one in many, many, many years was D2D, which got 90,000 buys, which is still 30,000 more than TNA's most purchased show, Genesis 2006, which had 60,000 buys.

ROH isn't designed to be a threat to WWE - they're trying to cater to a niche audience, and have done such a good job of it that they're self-sufficient and turning a profit. TNA claims to not be a threat to WWE, but they certainly do act like they are on TV, and are competing with WWE in several key markets (like games and CDs). TNA's game is a wild card right now - people who have played it have praised it, while those of us who have just seen vids haven't really been blown away by it, which could include Joe and Christian, who buried the game at BFG.

As for the guys in that vid... eh... TNA's popularity in a year, barring any major changes, will be about what it is now, which is about what it's been throughout it's entire history - it'll have a very small national fanbase, and I can't see the TNA game having a huge factor in TNA's popularity.

The CD didn't do shit to help them gain fans, and that's with WWE CDs usually at least charting for a few weeks, and I don't see the game doing that on any kind of major level unless it gets rave reviews across the board, so much so that people who otherwise wouldn't play it will give it a shot, but I don't see that alone helping TNA's popularity as a whole.

TNA running more live events is a sign that they're planning things out more, but I don't see those helping TNA gain much ground as TNA's live show attendance hasn't been all that impressive, and a recent Joe-Angle show had a mere 400 fans there for goodness sake.

Here's the 11-4-07 WOL show with Bret Hart - http://www.sendspace.com/file/a1kjpt

He shares some great stories about writing his book and missing great locker room fights in the '80s during this interview, and says that he and Vince have talked about having a second and third DVD set come out for Bret. He shares some stories about his Hennig Summerslam '91 match, and said that he isn't sure Curt's back ever got better.

Some sad news about Blackjack Mulligan - he suffered a stroke, and lost the sight in his left eye as a result.
http://www.gerweck.net/news/1194397080.shtml

Hopefully WWE helps him out in this time of need.

Review of the TNA: Year One DVD - http://www.gerweck.net/news/1194355210.shtml

It looks like a really good buy, with a ton of stuff that hasn't been on DVD before. It also seems like they're being fairly honest in the documentary, which bumps this up to being a must-buy at some point in the near future.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I haven't seen much of ROH lately. I've been meaning to, but between school and work, I don't have much time. Eventually I'll have to pick up a bunch of DVD's on the cheap to catch up.

Out here, we get face Hero. He's been feuding with Human Tornado as of late in PWG, with Candice LaRae in between them. Sucks, cause he's better as a heel (much in the way that Punk is). It's weird, because in some feds (ROH), he feuds with Claudio, yet in PWG, they're the best of friends. I enjoy Hero, though. Pretty solid worker, and a really, really nice guy.[/quote]
I've never experienced face Hero. He's always playing the heel but man is he always entertaining. During the Edison show last month, he started doing this thing where we would go to the ring announcer during the match and whisper something to him for the announcer to tell all of us. It'll be on the 4th PPV and I don't want to ruin it for you in case you check it out. Funny stuff. :)

As a matter of fact, Ring of Honor is starting to prime Hero as a main eventer alongside, Bryan Danielson, Nigel McGuiness, and Austin Aries. He got something like 7 pinfalls in one night during the Las Vegas show. He nearly beat Nigel for the belt on the show on Friday only to get the decision reversed and he wrestled twice at the show in NYC.

He even had the line of the night when he talked all sorts of shit about Aries and Aries starts to walk out, Hero goes: "Oh look at Austin Aries in the totally nonstop action of walking to the ring."

Of course it sounded better when he did it. ;)

A question. How much international talent does PWG usually bring in and from what promotions?
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']A question. How much international talent does PWG usually bring in and from what promotions?[/QUOTE]
As of late, they've been bringing in guys from Dragon Gate. CIMA, Naruki Doi, and Masato Yoshino have been there recently, and PWG regularly sends talent overseas as well. They bring in a small amount of lucha workers from Mexico (and sent Alex Koslov there as well, where he's become huge in Mexico), and since the New Japan Dojo is located in Los Angeles, NJPW and PWG trade talent back and forth.

FMW's Kikutaro/Ebessan used to be a regular in PWG, but he hasn't been back in a while.

For the most part, PWG shows are a mix of fly-ins from other feds (namely ROH, it seems) and SoCal regulars (there's at least a dozen federations that operate in the LA area), about 60/40 fly-ins. There's almost always a show going on somewhere, and there's also a pretty big lucha scene here. Because of that, PWG gives younger guys bookings all the time (they'll book just about anybody - we've seen Chris Kanyon wrestle for the PWG belt). SoCal's never at a loss for talent.
 
Nick Hogan is fucked

On August 26th of this year, at around 7:30pm, Nick Hogan was racing another car with his 2007 Toyota Supra, going 60 mph in a 40 mph zone. Moments later, he lost control and hit a 25 foot palm tree. Nick was mostly uninjured, but his passenger, John Graziano, has been in critical condition ever since. He is reportedly still in a coma and is not expected to ever fully recover. According to court documents, “the most Graziano can hope for is to open and shut his eyes periodically.”

Earlier today, Hogan surrendered to police in Clearwater, Florida. He was charged with reckless driving involving serious bodily injury, use of a motor vehicle in the commission of a felony, a person under the age of 21 operating a vehicle with a breath-alcohol level of .02 or higher and having an illegal window tint. Nick, who is 17, will be tried as an adult. When issuing a statement concerning this mornings events, Hogans attorney found time to be a complete and total scumbag:
The tragedy to both families is compounded by the fact that unfortunately John was not wearing his seatbelt. Thankfully, Nick was wearing his. Because of what happened to John, the entire Bollea family will make it a priority to increase public awareness about the importance of always wearing your seatbelt.
I agree that the “tragedy to both families is compounded by the fact that unfortunately John was not wearing his seatbelt”. This John guy sounds like a real jerk! Nick had a few beers then drifted a race car down a city street, but this John character didn't have his seat belt on. If he had, he would have just floated around like a little angel during the wreck. What a dick this John is! I hate you so much! Lucky for him he's catatonic, because I'm gonna go give him a piece of my mind, and he's not gonna wanna see this attack coming.
 
[quote name='JJSP']As of late, they've been bringing in guys from Dragon Gate. CIMA, Naruki Doi, and Masato Yoshino have been there recently, and PWG regularly sends talent overseas as well. They bring in a small amount of lucha workers from Mexico (and sent Alex Koslov there as well, where he's become huge in Mexico), and since the New Japan Dojo is located in Los Angeles, NJPW and PWG trade talent back and forth.

FMW's Kikutaro/Ebessan used to be a regular in PWG, but he hasn't been back in a while.

For the most part, PWG shows are a mix of fly-ins from other feds (namely ROH, it seems) and SoCal regulars (there's at least a dozen federations that operate in the LA area), about 60/40 fly-ins. There's almost always a show going on somewhere, and there's also a pretty big lucha scene here. Because of that, PWG gives younger guys bookings all the time (they'll book just about anybody - we've seen Chris Kanyon wrestle for the PWG belt). SoCal's never at a loss for talent.[/quote]

Do the Dragon Gate guys get booked in fueds or is it just exhibition matches? And speaking of which, what are the fueds like in PWG?
 
Earlier today, Hogan surrendered to police in Clearwater, Florida. He was charged with reckless driving involving serious bodily injury, use of a motor vehicle in the commission of a felony, a person under the age of 21 operating a vehicle with a breath-alcohol level of .02 or higher and having an illegal window tint. Nick, who is 17, will be tried as an adult.

That just reminds me of my favorite part of the law system. Every little thing is counted. It doesn't matter if every other charge is way more serious, they have to stick the small fry shit in there. You could drive 100 MPH in a stolen car and run over some people and a cop, but you didn't wear your seatbelt? Tsk-tsk.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Do the Dragon Gate guys get booked in fueds or is it just exhibition matches? And speaking of which, what are the fueds like in PWG?[/QUOTE]
Dragon Gate guys are usually just in exhibitions. Aside from CIMA winning the BOLA tournament and earning a PWG title shot, they're almost an afterthought. Since they're not on every show, PWG doesn't really book them into storylines.

Feuds in PWG...that's a tough one. Almost all of their storylines are advanced either through the live show or through the press releases that PWG puts out (http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com). There isn't much in the way of "angles" in the traditional sense, mainly because there's not really a set roster of guys. Shows are booked when talent can be brought in, so there's a bit of inconsistency in the booking.

A few videos for reference, and just 'cause they're pretty awesome.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DiFxVs_520g[/MEDIA]
Hype video for the latest show.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/oesEy7beg24[/MEDIA]
Random clips.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/WWcEqcoO0o0[/MEDIA]
Mission statement/4th Anniversary Tribute.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']unfortunately im playing the shitty ps2 version...

aWESOME! ecw originals and rated rko song is in![/quote]

Didn't catch something until it was pointed out on Gamespot. The PS2 version is missing online gameplay. Somehow a feature that the past 3 games have had is now missing.
 
Given how shitty PS2 online SvR play has been in the past, I'm kinda glad it isn't in... although I also say that as a 360 owner with Live. I might just stick to FPR this year - it's got more modes and options for gaming than I'll ever actually use, and it's genuinely a good game.
 
Didn't Matt Hardy mention ROH on WWE tv when he "trespassed" on RAW a couple years ago (during the whole Lita/Edge thing)? I'm curious, how did the general ROH fanbase react to that?
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Didn't Matt Hardy mention ROH on WWE tv when he "trespassed" on RAW a couple years ago (during the whole Lita/Edge thing)?[/quote]

Yeah, I remember that. They were "throwing him out of the building" and he was mentioning you could see him at ROH. I believe he was booked before he resigned with WWE and went through with the matches. Never saw any of those matches, so I don't know how the fans reacted.
 
Cool clips.

I'm checking out a PWG show right now but the first thing I noticed immediately is that the commentary on the DVDs sounds really bad. It won't hold me back from enjoying the wrestling though but it was the first thing I noticed right away.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Yeah, I remember that. They were "throwing him out of the building" and he was mentioning you could see him at ROH. I believe he was booked before he resigned with WWE and went through with the matches. Never saw any of those matches, so I don't know how the fans reacted.[/QUOTE]

I thought they booed the hell out of him.

Matt appeared at a scheduled Ring of Honor (ROH) event on July 16, 2005 in Woodbridge, Connecticut where he defeated Christopher Daniels via submission. Hardy also cut a brief promo where he continued in full 'worked shoot' mode, attacking WWE and John Laurinaitis. Following his official return to WWE, Hardy was met with a backlash that saw him get booed out of the arena at another ROH event following a match with Homicide, which Hardy won. The next day at his final ROH appearance, he lost to Roderick Strong.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I thought they booed the hell out of him.[/quote]

They booed Jeff Hardy out the building without a second thought.

They were sympathetic to Matt Hardy until they realized he had worked them and then they booed him.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']They booed Jeff Hardy out the building without a second thought.

They were sympathetic to Matt Hardy until they realized he had worked them and then they booed him.[/quote]As Raven once said, the people who call themselves smarks are still marks.
 
if anyone cares.. in s vs r

hbk and hhh both have singles dx versions of their entrances...

and hbk's ground super kick actually pins the opponent.. pretty bad ass
 
Thoughts on Death Grip - Seeing Dynamite in his withered state with a pin sticking out his foot, living in public house, and his ex-wife admitting that she planned to kill their children and herself due to her marriage was chilling. Vince has come off horribly so far. He stated that they've said "no chair shots"... and of course, that's been violated many times, including once where they had Umaga take a barrage of them to explain his absence due to a drug failure. Seeing C.M. Punk on CNN is quite bizarre.

Edit - Cena just said something very interesting - "I won't say that I haven't done them, but you can't prove that I have.". Well, that pretty much shoots his previous steroid denials to hell. He really is the modern era's Hulk hogan.

Quotes -
Michael Benoit - I regret the time I bought him the weight set. …that was the biggest mistake I ever made.
Vince McMahon - The only thing we’ve done is say ‘no chairs to the head’.
Dr. Wadler - The WWE Wellness policy has a lot of holes in it. There’s a gold standard, and the WWE policy isn’t it.
(on the loophole that allows for prescription drug use)Tigert - It’s a loophole that guts the entire program -my 13 year old can drive a truck through it to be quite honest. It’s too easy.
(on steroids)Cena - I can’t tell you that I haven’t, but you can’t prove that I have.

Edit 2 - I hope someone from TNA is watching Kitchen Nightmares right now, because Sebastian's sounds IDENTICAL to TNA. They have a CONCEPT menu, 20 combinations of food that are baffling Chef Ramsey, the head of the restaurant is baffled as to why they aren't making money, has big dreams of expanding his business, and is called delusional.
 
I lol'd at the Cena quote. WWE just came off bad during the whole thing.
 
For anyone interested - It'll be CM Punk vs. Jamie Noble this Friday on Smackdown. I'll be turning in to see the two former ROH champions go at it.

First Smackdown I'll have watched in 8 months.
 
Nick Hogan Mugshot:

nickhoganmug.jpg
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']That just reminds me of my favorite part of the law system. Every little thing is counted. It doesn't matter if every other charge is way more serious, they have to stick the small fry shit in there. You could drive 100 MPH in a stolen car and run over some people and a cop, but you didn't wear your seatbelt? Tsk-tsk.[/QUOTE]

That gives prosecutors the option to drop charges for plea bargaining.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Thoughts on Death Grip - Seeing Dynamite in his withered state with a pin sticking out his foot, living in public house, and his ex-wife admitting that she planned to kill their children and herself due to her marriage was chilling. Vince has come off horribly so far. He stated that they've said "no chair shots"... and of course, that's been violated many times, including once where they had Umaga take a barrage of them to explain his absence due to a drug failure. Seeing C.M. Punk on CNN is quite bizarre.

Edit - Cena just said something very interesting - "I won't say that I haven't done them, but you can't prove that I have.". Well, that pretty much shoots his previous steroid denials to hell. He really is the modern era's Hulk hogan.

Quotes -
Michael Benoit - I regret the time I bought him the weight set. …that was the biggest mistake I ever made.
Vince McMahon - The only thing we’ve done is say ‘no chairs to the head’.
Dr. Wadler - The WWE Wellness policy has a lot of holes in it. There’s a gold standard, and the WWE policy isn’t it.
(on the loophole that allows for prescription drug use)Tigert - It’s a loophole that guts the entire program -my 13 year old can drive a truck through it to be quite honest. It’s too easy.
(on steroids)Cena - I can’t tell you that I haven’t, but you can’t prove that I have.

Edit 2 - I hope someone from TNA is watching Kitchen Nightmares right now, because Sebastian's sounds IDENTICAL to TNA. They have a CONCEPT menu, 20 combinations of food that are baffling Chef Ramsey, the head of the restaurant is baffled as to why they aren't making money, has big dreams of expanding his business, and is called delusional.[/QUOTE]

Crap! I wanted to watch that! Any ideas as to if they'll replay it sometime?
 
The special's being replayed regularly - it might be on now again, or in a couple of hours. Here's an image of El Gigante standing next to Ted Turner that was really the only happy moment in the whole show -
tedturnerelgiganteds9.jpg


Punk didn't say much of anything - he came off well, but nothing he said sticks with me right now. Vince and Cena came off horribly, basically just spewing the company line at the worst possible time.
 
im really upset i missedthe story on cnn, id like to see it. anyone know when its reairring, damn my not having dvr/tivo.
 
It's an even-handed show with regards to blame, though it's a bit over-the-top in terms of the drama. If I can start capping the OVW shows again and get them up, I may do the same with the CNN show if you want to see it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's an even-handed show with regards to blame, though it's a bit over-the-top in terms of the drama. If I can start capping the OVW shows again and get them up, I may do the same with the CNN show if you want to see it.[/quote]

hell yeah man thatd be awesome, by the way, im still baffled as to how i live 70 miles from where they tape ovw and it still doesnt air in lexington... fuckers
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan'](on steroids)Cena - I can’t tell you that I haven’t[/quote]

That's an interesting response?

but you can’t prove that I have.

When you say "I can't tell you I haven't," that's an explicit admission that he did. He's not all that bright, apparently.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's an even-handed show with regards to blame, though it's a bit over-the-top in terms of the drama. If I can start capping the OVW shows again and get them up, I may do the same with the CNN show if you want to see it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, please do Myke if you get the chance.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i called it..

WWE has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Chris Masters. We wish Chris the best in all his future endeavors.

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Funny thing is, they probably canned his ass because the Undertaker beat him up and not his multiple drug problems.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Funny thing is, they probably canned his ass because the Undertaker beat him up and not his multiple drug problems.[/QUOTE]

I forgot about his Germany incident, but I feel comfortable in agreeing wholeheartedly with you on that.

Now, of course, with Masters gone, there may be reason to celebrate, but I don't think so. What we really need to do is this: band together and work hard...very hard...to make sure that TNA doesn't find out Chris Masters is available. If they find out, we're screwed.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Now, of course, with Masters gone, there may be reason to celebrate, but I don't think so. What we really need to do is this: band together and work hard...very hard...to make sure that TNA doesn't find out Chris Masters is available. If they find out, we're screwed.[/quote]
Nah, I hoping they'll find out like they did with Rikishi. That no matter how many times you polish a turd, it's still a turd. That way, he'll basically be blackballed from all the companies that have national tv shows.
 
Pardon my cynicism, but Lance Hoyt is still on TNA's payroll. That's what concerns me.

EDIT: I'm still fairly convinced by Sporadic's theory...but the timing of his release *is* rather strange, happening the morning after a CNN special that exposed their pitifully inept "Wellness Program," and showed the McMahons to be oblivious lovers of denial.
 
THIS IS AWESOME!

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I hope they finally call up Colt Cabana. I think this is like the ninth time I've hoped for this.
 
I got to say, I wish that Chris Masters would go to RoH and bust out some crazy wrestling on the scale of Hogan while he was in Japan.
 
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