The Falcons Are In The Wild - But Rarer Than A Mewtwo! Gotta' Catch Them All!

I saw about 5 Elites today at Best Buy with a manufactured date of 7-15-07. Not sure if this is the new chip set? The new price drop was in effect as well.
 
What, exactly, does HDMI bring to the table? Is it worth trying to hook it up to my TV (which would be a huge pain in the ass since it hangs on the wall on a mount with no swivel).
 
ill wait the 65nm chips are out, wait for a site to gut the damn thing so i can see what exactly has changed, and then ill buy a core unit (keeping my current hdd) after i know what revisions there are. if this all happens before the end of the year, then sweet, if not, ill wait.
 
[quote name='javeryh']What, exactly, does HDMI bring to the table? Is it worth trying to hook it up to my TV (which would be a huge pain in the ass since it hangs on the wall on a mount with no swivel).[/QUOTE]


1080p and it also frees up a component jack.
 
[quote name='javeryh']What, exactly, does HDMI bring to the table? Is it worth trying to hook it up to my TV (which would be a huge pain in the ass since it hangs on the wall on a mount with no swivel).[/QUOTE]

HDMI is only important for watching 1080p movies with an hd dvd add-on if your TV doesn't have VGA.
 
[quote name='mv5660']
It's bullcrap. I just got mine that was manufactured two weeks ago and had no such port.
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It's not bull, Magus is a respected member of the Shack community, and they wouldn't make a post about it if they thought it could be bogus. Either it was a fluke and they sent out some hdmi enabled consoles early, or for some reason they're still manufacturing consoles without an hdmi port. Apparantly it lists HDMI on the box under contents, as well as stating that an HDMI cable is not included.
 
[quote name='Apossum']shouldn't the 65nm be in there?[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm definitely upgrading my current 'box for one of the falcon ones. Hopefully, the Halo3 console is a falcon.

Edit: Plus, I was hoping for an image of the box/packaging to confirm what the visual cues were for the new systems.
 
[quote name='Cyb3-rr']It's not bull, Magus is a respected member of the Shack community, and they wouldn't make a post about it if they thought it could be bogus. Either it was a fluke and they sent out some hdmi enabled consoles early, or for some reason they're still manufacturing consoles without an hdmi port. Apparantly it lists HDMI on the box under contents, as well as stating that an HDMI cable is not included.[/quote]
I hope it's the box, but it looks like the instruction manual, from the pictures.
 
they replaced my 360 w/ a new 1 made on 07.25.07. no HDMI here. i do have the new chipset & stuff tho. its so QUIET. i love it
 
Bah, I really wasn't expecting the 65nm so soon or I wouldn't have bought my Elite a few months back. The $30 price drop doesn't bug me, but if it turns out mine doesn't have a heat sink and is just as fucking unreliable as the older systems, then I'll be pissed they rushed those out and then fixed everything a few months later. Bastards... It was bad enough the drive is noisy as all hell - I figured they would have fixed that. But at least I thought I was getting something slightly more reliable.

Though it is possible I did - I read somewhere else (can't dig it up now, maybe later) that the Elites from the FDOU group after a certain lot number pretty early on) have the heat sinks. Mine is 711, so pretty early.

OK, I searched a bit. If this is right, then I'm screwed:

http://digg.com/xbox_360/New_360_Elites_now_have_two_heatsinks?t=8214869

jmillion - when you say it is "so quiet" do you mean the normal fan noise or the drive when playing a disc-based game? Mine is pretty damn quiet when I'm at the dashboard or playing an XBLA game. It only gets noisy when the drive spins up. So I'd say the Elite, in whatever way, even at the beginning, took care of overall system noise pretty well.
 
When all is said and done, I wonder how many different models of the 360 will have existed. This includes those w/ different DVD drives.
 
[quote name='io']Bah, I really wasn't expecting the 65nm so soon or I wouldn't have bought my Elite a few months back. The $30 price drop doesn't bug me, but if it turns out mine doesn't have a heat sink and is just as fucking unreliable as the older systems, then I'll be pissed they rushed those out and then fixed everything a few months later. Bastards... It was bad enough the drive is noisy as all hell - I figured they would have fixed that. But at least I thought I was getting something slightly more reliable.

Though it is possible I did - I read somewhere else (can't dig it up now, maybe later) that the Elites from the FDOU group after a certain lot number pretty early on) have the heat sinks. Mine is 711, so pretty early.

OK, I searched a bit. If this is right, then I'm screwed:

http://digg.com/xbox_360/New_360_Elites_now_have_two_heatsinks?t=8214869

jmillion - when you say it is "so quiet" do you mean the normal fan noise or the drive when playing a disc-based game? Mine is pretty damn quiet when I'm at the dashboard or playing an XBLA game. It only gets noisy when the drive spins up. So I'd say the Elite, in whatever way, even at the beginning, took care of overall system noise pretty well.[/QUOTE]
I'm almost 100% positive your Elite does not have the new heatsink, as they barely started installing them on 360s made in July.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Appearently they have the 65nm as well:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/08/xbox-360-premium-confirmed-shipping-with-hdmi/[/QUOTE]Where is the confirmation that the 360 has the new 65nm chip? The post says "we present the first of many you'll be seeing with the much-discussed, built-in HDMI port (and obviously the cooler 65nm chips onboard).", but I don't see in its source that 65nm is confirmed. Is it just assumed that the two are supposed to be together?
 
If these units have HDMI and the 65nm chip (supposedly) and are being sold at $350, does this mean the chances of that additional price cut are slimmer?
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']Where is the confirmation that the 360 has the new 65nm chip? The post says "we present the first of many you'll be seeing with the much-discussed, built-in HDMI port (and obviously the cooler 65nm chips onboard).", but I don't see in its source that 65nm is confirmed. Is it just assumed that the two are supposed to be together?[/quote]
Hmmm...may have gotten too excited there...I don't see why they would implement HDMI without the 65nm though...seems like a waste of production, if they are going to change them why change them within a couple months one with HDMI and one with HDMI+65nm...it just makes sense but, yes its speculative still.

Changed title to avoid confusion until get get more details/confirmation.
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']Where is the confirmation that the 360 has the new 65nm chip? The post says "we present the first of many you'll be seeing with the much-discussed, built-in HDMI port (and obviously the cooler 65nm chips onboard).", but I don't see in its source that 65nm is confirmed. Is it just assumed that the two are supposed to be together?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Engadget is ASSuming that the 65nm chip is in there. It probably is, but still, they're dicks for saying "obviously".

[quote name='seanr1221']Soooo when our 360's die, do you think MS will send us one of these back?[/QUOTE]
They've been adding the new heatsinks to refurbs.
 
So a couple weeks or months from know, which one of you guys will send in your working X360 pretending to be defective for a refurb w/HDMI and potentially a 65nm? ;)
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Nice, thanks Zew.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to clarify, that I don't think they are adding the new heatsink to EVERY refurb, but they're are reports of people getting them back with them.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Hmmm...may have gotten too excited there...I don't see why they would implement HDMI without the 65nm though...seems like a waste of production, if they are going to change them why change them within a couple months one with HDMI and one with HDMI+65nm...it just makes sense but, yes its speculative still.

Changed title to avoid confusion until get get more details/confirmation.[/QUOTE]

Well, here might be why.

Lets say they have 500,000 motherboards w/o HDMI left and 3 million 90nm CPUs left. It is very possible that the 65nm chip is pin-compatible with the Elite HDMI motherboard. Therefore, with those 3 million CPUs MS would make 500,000 premiums without HDMI and switch over their factory to make only the elite motherboards with HDMI. However, MS still has an additional 2.5million 90nm CPUs, so with those they make premiums with HDMI, all at 90nm. Once those CPUs run out, then they start putting in the 65nm ones instead.
 
Hah, well I only got this 360 a month ago, so hopefully it gets me at-least 6+ months, and by then all refurbished 360s will have the heatsinks.
 
my elite i just got last week looks like it has the new heatsink and was manufactured on 6-18-07...figured it might be worth mentioning
 
[quote name='Ruined']Well, here might be why.

Lets say they have 500,000 motherboards w/o HDMI left and 3 million 90nm CPUs left. It is very possible that the 65nm chip is pin-compatible with the Elite HDMI motherboard. Therefore, with those 3 million CPUs MS would make 500,000 premiums without HDMI and switch over their factory to make only the elite motherboards with HDMI. However, MS still has an additional 2.5million 90nm CPUs, so with those they make premiums with HDMI, all at 90nm. Once those CPUs run out, then they start putting in the 65nm ones instead.[/quote]

But to potentially save money on warranties, I doubt that they would still put the 90nm considering that they run much hotter and can damage/kill the unit. They already claimed that they are taking a huge loss on the warranty issues, maybe they counted the remaining 90nm chips that they have left over within that losses figure.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']So a couple weeks or months from know, which one of you guys will send in your working X360 pretending to be defective for a refurb w/HDMI and potentially a 65nm? ;)[/QUOTE]

Me! I have no hangups whatsoever about admitting it.

Calling up MS and saying "HAY GUYS RROD!" will be as easy as pie, even when it isn't true.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']But to potentially save money on warranties, I doubt that they would still put the 90nm considering that they run much hotter and can damage/kill the unit. They already claimed that they are taking a huge loss on the warranty issues, maybe they counted the remaining 90nm chips that they have left over within that losses figure.[/QUOTE]
The 90nm chip isn't/wasn't the problem. It was the lack of a GPU heatsink, which they now are adding.
 
Shit. Everything is falling apart. The bomb dropped and nothing is making sense at all. Refurbs are coming back with july mfg dates without the HDMI, yet the first Premium console with HDMI had a july manufacture date ( not sure ). Also, refurbs coming back with july mfg dates have two dots on the faceplate, which means it was repaired at the center. That makes no sense at all.

So, we can confirm that there are some 360s out there with 65mn and HDMI and some 360s out there with 65mn without HDMI. Maybe the refurbs are the only ones they aren't giving HDMI to. We really need some people to get a July refurb and a July premium console so we can look and see if the refurb has the 65mn chips inside. Though that won't happen.

This is one of the things where we really need Microsoft to open their mouves and say something about this. We keep hearings rumors from all over the place and it's about time we had Microsoft confirm something. They've confirmed the HDMI in premiums, now we need to have the July 07 refurbs explained.

PS: Here are pictures of 360 July 07 refurbs without HDMI. Manufacture date July 07 I mean.

Here is a picture of HDMI 360 made in July.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Shit. Everything is falling apart. The bomb dropped and nothing is making sense at all. Refurbs are coming back with july mfg dates without the HDMI, yet the first Premium console with HDMI had a july manufacture date ( not sure ). Also, refurbs coming back with july mfg dates have two dots on the faceplate, which means it was repaired at the center. That makes no sense at all.

So, we can confirm that there are some 360s out there with 65mn and HDMI and some 360s out there with 65mn without HDMI. Maybe the refurbs are the only ones they aren't giving HDMI to. We really need some people to get a July refurb and a July premium console so we can look and see if the refurb has the 65mn chips inside. Though that won't happen.

This is one of the things where we really need Microsoft to open their mouves and say something about this. We keep hearings rumors from all over the place and it's about time we had Microsoft confirm something. They've confirmed the HDMI in premiums, now we need to have the July 07 refurbs explained.

PS: Here are pictures of 360 July 07 refurbs without HDMI. Manufacture date July 07 I mean.[/QUOTE]

I don't think they will change the 90nm chip out with a 65nm on a refurb, unless they had to replace the whole motherboard. And the only way a refurb would get a HDMI port is with a motheboard change (and they would have to change out the case, in essence, giving you a brand new 360).

I believe the only additions refurbs will get are the new heatsinks.
 
[quote name='zewone']The 90nm chip isn't/wasn't the problem. It was the lack of a GPU heatsink, which they now are adding.[/quote]

So then all this talk and hype about the 65nm was really for nothing? The Heatsinks is where the gold is at?
 
Since there probably aren't a ton of refurb Elite's out there (yet) and not many of the Elite's will be made substandard (like mine) I'd have a good chance of getting a better replacement if mine dies, so I guess I can take some solace in that ;). In fact, the longer I wait, the more rare 90nm Elites/heat sink-less will be and there will be a good chance of getting the newer one in a replacement. At least that was one good reason to pick up an Elite over a premium a few months back (they will probably have old refurb premiums for quite a while).

And zewone - according to the link I posted (and I've seen the same thing elsewhere too) they were making Elites with the new heatsinks as early as March/April. They just weren't in the first batch sold at retail. It depends on the team who made your system. I think the July date is for when all the teams switched over to that process. (Though I also heard the July manu date is for the 65nm being in the Elite).

Edit - Linkin, it would appear so. I would like the 65 nm because they are more energy-efficient as well. But it is the heatsink that (SO FAR) seems to solve the problems. We'll see, though, if that just prolongs the consoles a bit more - they may just fail less often and/or later now.
 
Hmm. That could be true. But what about the MFG date? That console couldn't have been bought and then got 3RL in that time period. So could they be making new consoles with heatsinks to give as refurbs ? I'm guessing the 65mn is out the window. Still no confirmation that it's in there, only the idea that July 360s have 65mn. I'm thinking that was confirmed. I still need an answer to why the mfg date is July.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']So then all this talk and hype about the 65nm was really for nothing? The Heatsinks is where the gold is at?[/QUOTE]
Apparently.

MS never hyped the chips, that was all the internet gaming forum community.
 
[quote name='zewone']Apparently.

MS never hyped the chips, that was all the internet gaming forum community.[/quote]

Oh, I know MS never hyped them, its good for them though because of the lower costs.
 
I'd be angry, but I got my 360 way back in November, so I don't really care. But its nice to hear for new 360 owners. Hopefully my 360 breaks down early next year so I can get a good one :D (or at least after I play through Blue Dragon, VF5 and Eternal Sonata :p )
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']So then all this talk and hype about the 65nm was really for nothing? The Heatsinks is where the gold is at?[/quote]

well it IS softer noise wise, and newer..and adds to teh peace of mind
 
Tenzor: this is madness


I really is. I think we need resident vagina clown/ PR mouth piece Major Nelson to clear some things up.
 
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