The Great Green Hype of Halo 2

Gamepro should just hang it up - the magazine blows... that's article was a nice read though even though I've never played Halo 2 (or Halo)...
 
I'm not a fan of Gamepro, but that's pretty much my take on them both. Great games....maybe the best FPS for consoles....but if you've played other FPS on PC, it's just a good console game.

But in Halo's defense, it's really not fair comparing console to PC games of the same genre. One is, most of the time, going to outperform the other in some aspect or another.
 
Gamepro blows, but that is probably the most objective article I have seen from them in a long time maybe ever. They still gave the game a 5/5, despite this "second opinion." I have said it before, I think Halo 2 will go down as a good-great game that got over-inflated scores due to the hype. I own the game, I have yet to play through it completely, and will hold my conclusions til the end, but I think many magazines will have similar second opinion articles or it will end up on some overated lists(because it's a great but not perfect game). I expected stuff like this about a year from now, surprising to see it so soon. I think the best part of the article is this quote

The greatest mystery for Halo 2 is why people list a litany of issues, yet then give it an ultra-high score. You read paragraph after paragraph of things that could be better and still get a score showing it's a masterpiece rivaling Picasso. An interesting exercise when you're bored: read a review, think of a review score based on the body of the text, then compare to the actual score.
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So many reviews I have read state issues with the graphics, AI, story etc, then proceed to give perfect/near-perfect scores.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Also, Halo 2 online is more addictive than crack.[/quote]

Many of the personal opinions I've heard that are down on Halo 2 come from people that cannot/will not play the game on XBL.

Sucks to be them.
 
I'd have to say that I agree completely. I tried Halo on the PC when it came out. It held my attention - literally - for maybe two hours. Nothing drew me into the game when I'd tried the Xbox version, and absolutely nothing compelled me to continue on on my PC.

For comparison, I played Deus Ex not too long afterwards. It took maybe five minutes for me to become addicted. The storyline and the gameplay were more than enough to satisfy me.

Believe it or not, online play and pretty graphics aren't everything for some of us. Some gamers still like a strong story and a good single player mode. If I want to run around and blow up everything in site, I've got Serious Sam. Halo, for me, didn't offer me anything that I couldn't find elsewhere.

[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='CheapyD']Also, Halo 2 online is more addictive than crack.[/quote]

Many of the personal opinions I've heard that are down on Halo 2 come from people that cannot/will not play the game on XBL.

Sucks to be them.[/quote]

Broadband is expensive, and Xbox Live just adds to the cost. Some people can't afford it.

More importantly, online play won't last forever. Xbox Live won't be around in ten years, and will probably vanish much sooner than that. Want proof? Look at the Dreamcast, or Satellaview, or the Xband.

When online play is gone, will you still be enjoying the game? Classic games can hold up over time, even as the graphics and mechanics age. Will Halo 2 without its online multiplay?
 
Halo lasted 3 years with no XBL support. Even after the Live servers go down, and pretending Halo 3 doesn't come out in 3 or 4 years, Halo 2 will probably still be played, just like Halo was played, over a LAN and at LAN parties.
 
Oh well, Hype or not, they made a TON of money on it. Something tells me that the 2 million (or so) of us that bought Halo 2 aren't ALL dissapointed.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='CheapyD']Also, Halo 2 online is more addictive than crack.[/quote]

Many of the personal opinions I've heard that are down on Halo 2 come from people that cannot/will not play the game on XBL.

Sucks to be them.[/quote]

People with modded xboxs suddenly come to mind lol.

Besides that though, online doesnt make a game everything and not everyone can afford(or chooses not to) spend money for XBL. A good chunk of gamers will most likely never play this game online due to not having broadband in area or other reasons. Therefore IMO you cant say people who talk down on Halo 2 are wrong in doing so. A great game online does not overall =best game ever
 
[quote name='AvidWriter']he says it could possible be overshadowed by Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is Godzilla compared to halo 2 which is a midget. :D[/quote]

I guess we'll see if they sell 100 million dollars worth of Half Life 2 in one day. Also, is there going to be a midnght release of Half Life 2?
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']
More importantly, online play won't last forever. Xbox Live won't be around in ten years, and will probably vanish much sooner than that. Want proof? Look at the Dreamcast, or Satellaview, or the Xband.

When online play is gone, will you still be enjoying the game? Classic games can hold up over time, even as the graphics and mechanics age. Will Halo 2 without its online multiplay?[/quote]

XBL won't be around in ten years so the online play it supports now is not a factor to be included when determining how enjoyable the game is now, at this stage of gaming technology?
 
Honestly, I never played Halo at all and ended up preordering Halo 2 because I had a lot of credit at FYE. I never bought into the hype much and was just thinking it would be a decent game.

The truth is though, that online Halo 2 is so much fun. I'm not good at all, but there are so many different game types to play online that make this game so much fun. For me at least, it is living up to some of that hype.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac'][quote name='AvidWriter']he says it could possible be overshadowed by Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is Godzilla compared to halo 2 which is a midget. :D[/quote]

I guess we'll see if they sell 100 million dollars worth of Half Life 2 in one day. Also, is there going to be a midnght release of Half Life 2?[/quote]

:roll: Hype does not =greatness. Sure 100 million dollars is great but guess what? Your not the one making the money! I as a gamer judge a game by the game not by the amount it sells or if its so hyped that the store opens at 12 am. Ever heard of games called "sleeper hits"? Half Life 2 is far from a sleeper but if you think money=quality your wrong.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I think its beginning to become clear that somebody WANTS Halo 2 to suck.[/quote]

Nah dont get me wrong i dont WANT it to suck. Im just a person who dislikes overhyped games. Halo 2 is a great game and i will be getting it, but i wouldnt justify standing in the cold like some of my friends did :wink:

Edit- why do you think i want it to suck? I never mention the game being bad, just not worth all the hype it got. Great Green Hype taken from the articles name. I didnt say, "see this means HaLo 2 teh suckz"
 
[quote name='AvidWriter']he says it could possible be overshadowed by Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is Godzilla compared to halo 2 which is a midget. :D[/quote]
I like the reference, but I dont think that Half Life 2 has as much hype, or as many fanboys as Halo does.
Also, in the review it says: Although multiplayer is addictively fun, the absence of a co-op multiplayer is painful
What does that mean? Are they talking about Campaign Live Co-Op, because there are lots of team modes you can play.
 
I have not even played online yet because I am spplitting my time between the World of Warcraft beta and HALO 2. HALO 2 single player is one of the most if not the most enjoyable experience on XBOX. With all the hype for multiplayer, it is easy to overlook the fact that HALO 2 has a stellar single player campaign. If it wasn't for WoW, I am sure I would be finsihed by now. As it is, I am 11 levels in. Between HALO 2 and WoW, it islike being addicted to crack and heroin at the same time, but only having enough money for one hit at a time.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan'][quote name='AvidWriter']he says it could possible be overshadowed by Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is Godzilla compared to halo 2 which is a midget. :D[/quote]
I like the reference, but I dont think that Half Life 2 has as much hype, or as many fanboys as Halo does.
Also, in the review it says: Although multiplayer is addictively fun, the absence of a co-op multiplayer is painful
What does that mean? Are they talking about Campaign Live Co-Op, because there are lots of team modes you can play.[/quote]

Give it time. Half-Life 2 has one HUGE advantage over Halo 2: expansion. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's any way for gamers to modify Halo 2 maps and share those. Half-Life 2, on the other hand, will probably become the new darling of the mod community soon. It won't be long before there will be new versions of Counter-Strike and the other mods that are still popular; there's going to be new ideas too, and possibly some brilliant ones.

Score another point for Half-Life 2.
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'] Broadband is expensive, and Xbox Live just adds to the cost. Some people can't afford it.[/quote]

I agree there, but using this logic to say that Halo 2 isn't any good is like taking only a bite out of a pizza's crust and then declaring that the whole pizza sucks. But yeah, if i could not afford broadband then i wouldn't have been nearly as excited about this game.

[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'] More importantly, online play won't last forever. Xbox Live won't be around in ten years, and will probably vanish much sooner than that. Want proof? Look at the Dreamcast, or Satellaview, or the Xband.[/quote]

Elvis Presley stopped playing concerts long ago (being dead and all), but that doesn't mean that no one can enjoy his records now. What matters is the way you choose to enjoy something, and when. Sure, XBL will assuredly be replaced by something newer in the future, but that doesn't mean that the game is not fun now!

[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'] When online play is gone, will you still be enjoying the game? Classic games can hold up over time, even as the graphics and mechanics age. Will Halo 2 without its online multiplay?[/quote]

By the time XBL service is gone, we will all be participating in the "next big thing" in gaming, and Halo2 might not matter at all; but who gives a shit? it's fun online now, and that's all that matters.
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'] More importantly, online play won't last forever. Xbox Live won't be around in ten years, and will probably vanish much sooner than that. Want proof? Look at the Dreamcast, or Satellaview, or the Xband.[/quote]

Counterpoint: There's always XBC. The original PSO for Dreamcast lives on to this day via an independent server project, as does Quake III Arena for DC. Where there's a will, there's a way.
 
I don't get why people compare console games to PC games. Xbox costs about 1/10 or less of a good gaming PC. There are people like myself tha't dont have the money to constantly have to upgrade hardware every year just to be able to run the latest games. Or they don't see the point in having to spend a constant stream on PC gaming just to have the best. Personally I prefer spending 100-300 upfront and not have to upgrade anything over the next 5 years.
As for xbox live multiplayer becoming obsolete in the next-gen, it still incorporates system link which has been sufficient for all halo payers ever since the xbox came out
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I disagree.
Jackie Brown was not boring.

Also, Halo 2 online is more addictive than crack.[/quote]

I logged 32 hours on xbox live halo 2 before i even started the first single player mission. BTW my clan (ATAK) is the best part of the experience.
 
Well some will hate it, others will love it, but to most of us Halo 2 has lived up to the hype.

Personally I'm sick of all the bitching, we don't care and, no matter how many topics you sorry sons-of-bitchs make, we will never care.

Get over it.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Well some will hate it, others will love it, but to most of us Halo 2 has lived up to the hype.

Personally I'm sick of all the bitching, we don't care and, no matter how many topics you sorry sons-of-bitchs make, we will never care.

Get over it.[/quote]

Hmm. Heres an :idea: If you hate the thread and will never care...then why respond to it? I expected this of course when making the thread but whatever. That article contains good reasons as to why it didnt really live up to the hype or all the reviews.(i think the review it shows is the original and just for reference). I also didnt say i hated it.

Putno-The comparison to the PC games is because...Halo was on PC lol. The point in the article(if you read it) is that Halo is so hyped on consoles but yet it mostly because it doesnt have competition. When it came out on PC with online play, it didnt make the big splash it did on Xbox...and thats because other games do it better. If consoles had the greatness of some of those games then Halo 2 wouldnt have been engulfed in its own hype as i like to put it.

I would like to add that the article is well written and has many valid points. The other threads had links to sites that were bogus and had bogus reviews. I share the same opinion as that same thought and wanted to see if others felt the same....most of those who didnt relied on the money Halo 2 made to prove it as best game ever...like i said money does not =greatness to the customer
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']I'd have to say that I agree completely. I tried Halo on the PC when it came out. It held my attention - literally - for maybe two hours. Nothing drew me into the game when I'd tried the Xbox version, and absolutely nothing compelled me to continue on on my PC.

For comparison, I played Deus Ex not too long afterwards. It took maybe five minutes for me to become addicted. The storyline and the gameplay were more than enough to satisfy me.[/quote]

Please do not compare Deus Ex to Halo. If you've played Deus Ex on the PC, you know just how Godlike it is. Halo doesn't even come close.
 
I agree with the article 100% ...

What exactly has Halo done for shooters? Absolutely nothing. It's a basic, but fun console shooter. Nothing to get so hyped up about, and far from one of the best games ever.

How a game like Halo can get so much hype and a much much better game such as TimeSplitters 2 (3 looks promising) can get so little hype is beyond me.
 
I also have to agree with this article. I admit, XBL is very good when it comes to this game. I love playing on Live, mainly becuase I enjoy FPS. But it must be said: Halo 1 and Halo 2 have some of the worst fucking campaign levels ever! Why the fuck would I want to drag my ass through the same repetitive hallways, shooting the same recycled enemies, every other level? I will say this, a few of the levels were pretty good, but most are stale. His points are all very much valid ones. The story is pretty B-rated, the levels still suck, and there are still better FPS out there, that won't get the attention they deserve. Team A.I. in the campaign was pretty stupid, to say the least. I jumped in the back of the Warthog, with no enemies in sight. My fellow "teammate" decides that the best approach to killing Covenant is to drive the Warthog around in a circle, aimlessly achieving nothing! After three or so minutes, I pushed him aside, and gave up my hopes of mowing them down with the gun while he drove. I've noticed in multiplayer that the verhicles are very choppy, and this annoys the hell out of me. I don't like Gamepro magazine, but I really like this guy's writing. I am sending him an email, but he probably won't see it, seeing as how his email box is probably full from all of the screaming mad fanboys...
 
Sounds about right, Halo 2 was a nice holdover until I get my hands on Half-Life 2 tomorrow. On the PC with a mouse and keyboard too, like a FPS should be.
 
This is all I hear when I read that article:

We're GAMEPRO! We're PROS! Instead of crediting our authors, we have CARICATURES with funny names like SCARY LARRY! We grade on a 5 point scale based on things like FUN FACTOR! We're not totally irrelevant and just as childish as nintendo power, we have CREDIBILITY! For the love of god, someone listen to us, please, we hate something popular, yeah, we're totally INDIE PC HARDCORE GAMERS, RAWK!

I quit reading gamepro right around the same time I left the 5th grade.

Halo 2 is loads of fun on mulitplayer and im loving getting an asskicking by the legendary difficulty, on my third time through. The story is great but should have been expanded more.
 
hmm...from my personal experience...ppl i know hyped up halo 2 a WHOLE lot more than HL 2...i mean for every person i knew who was gettin hyped about HL2, there were 10 ppl hyping halo 2...
 
[quote name='jer7583']This is all I hear when I read that article:

We're GAMEPRO! We're PROS! Instead of crediting our authors, we have CARICATURES with funny names like SCARY LARRY! We grade on a 5 point scale based on things like FUN FACTOR! We're not totally irrelevant and just as childish as nintendo power, we have CREDIBILITY! For the love of god, someone listen to us, please, we hate something popular, yeah, we're totally INDIE PC HARDCORE GAMERS, RAWK![/quote]

oh please me next!

I'm JER7583! I read the article but i decided to write about the company instead of the valid points in the article! My full out attack on gamepro will prove this article wrong! I never wrote for a living but Im allowed to discredit them because my PC sucks! That and I didnt have a credit card to subscribe in 5th GRADE!
...on a serious note, try to give some real feedback instead of the nonsense. My question is to you, you already beat the game 3 times in less than a week?
 
[quote name='Drico']I agree with the article 100% ...

What exactly has Halo done for shooters? Absolutely nothing. It's a basic, but fun console shooter. Nothing to get so hyped up about, and far from one of the best games ever.

How a game like Halo can get so much hype and a much much better game such as TimeSplitters 2 (3 looks promising) can get so little hype is beyond me.[/quote]
Some people would say that TS2 is a very basic shooter, and its not as good as Halo. While I agree with you that Timesplitters is a a great game, I think that its single player is much worse then Halo and Halo 2's, but I feel that the Halo and Timesplitters multiplayer are about equal. Im also looking forward to TS:FP and Im sure it will be a great game.
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'][quote name='Kaijufan'][quote name='AvidWriter']he says it could possible be overshadowed by Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is Godzilla compared to halo 2 which is a midget. :D[/quote]
I like the reference, but I dont think that Half Life 2 has as much hype, or as many fanboys as Halo does.
Also, in the review it says: Although multiplayer is addictively fun, the absence of a co-op multiplayer is painful
What does that mean? Are they talking about Campaign Live Co-Op, because there are lots of team modes you can play.[/quote]

Give it time. Half-Life 2 has one HUGE advantage over Halo 2: expansion. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's any way for gamers to modify Halo 2 maps and share those. Half-Life 2, on the other hand, will probably become the new darling of the mod community soon. It won't be long before there will be new versions of Counter-Strike and the other mods that are still popular; there's going to be new ideas too, and possibly some brilliant ones.

Score another point for Half-Life 2.[/quote]
True, but you have to own the game to play the extra maps and mods. Unless a major mod thats as popular as CS was when it first came out, I just dont think that as many people will buy HL2. Of course, I could be dead wrong, Im sure we will find out in a few days when we hear early sales numbers for HL2.
 
I loved the first halo, played co op most the time and LAN. Right now I am playing single player by myself and its just not seeming too special, I realized there is no puzzles or anything like that. And compared to GTA, there is nothing to do cept go straight in the level and kill people. Damn you GTA for being sooo great with your music and what not, (100% last night).
 
Well, I can say that I just beat Halo 2 on single player, and have played a healthy dose of multiplayer, and am sorely dissappointed. First, single player: too short, maybe a bit longer than the first game, but not by much. At first, it looks like the whole same area repeated over and over again is gone, but it returns in force at the end. Not to spoil anything, but there are also some very strange/surprising moments, that while I happened to find amusing, many may not. In fact, it is the exact same thing another much anticipated game pulled a few years ago. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll leave it at that. Plus, it ends hella abruptly. On the multiplayer side of things, online is amazingly fun, but its just not the same as Halo 1. They just plain changed too much. The weapons seem more balanced, but some are just plain useless, you don't take damage from falling, which opens up all sorts of shady cheapness, the list goes on. Oh, and the thing that pisses me off the most.... NO BOTS!!! If I want to play with some friends splitscreen or system link, we are limited to the number of people/controllers we can get. PERFECT friggin DARK had bots, and HALO 2 doesn't? WTF. If this were any game other than Halo 2, I would absolutley love it, but I've come to expect more from my beloved Halo. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play Halo NMP (for anyone with a modded xbox, seriously look into this, cuz its amazing. essentially modded maps, weapons, and vehicles for Halo 1 on Xbox)

end rant
 
I could look past the original Halo's problems because it was a fun and felt like an experience. Then I played Half Life and was amazed how an old game could be more fun. I saw where much of Halo came from.


Quite simply, besides the "gimmick" of the story mode, I was dissapointed with how ho-hum Halo 2's SP was. And of course the whole build up to the ending was ass, and somehow that "feed me seymore" creature made the b movieness laughable. But besides giving me the goodness of killing flood with the shotgun, it felt like the same damn experience. Even the "earth approach" felt unrealized and too orchestrated. I do like the new vehicles and weapons, but they felt added because of the multiplayer elements (much like Ratchet and Clank 3) and not truly fitting in the SP experience.

The only reason I place emphasis on the story, is because how important it is to the Halo 2 package. There are tons of FPS's I can play online, and getting a router that works with XBL as well as paying for the service again isnt happening (at least not before some more fighters come out for XBL). Also, from my experience on XBL, it was more about 13 year olds screaming tasteless phrases or hyper nerd pwn speak. So hearing about the addictiveness of multiplayer just means that most if not all of the focus when to acquiring XBL subscriptions.

2 sides to the coin I guess. So if anyone gets mad at my opinions consider it payback for all this hyper sugarcoated best game ever nonsense.
 
Halo 2 shouldn't be judged based on JUST its campaign mode. LAN matches and Xbox live will keep the replay value up considering I was still having Halo 1 LAN matches up to the release of part 2. Most people who bash Halo haven't tried it online or in 8-16 player LAN.
 
[quote name='Weedy649'][quote name='jer7583']This is all I hear when I read that article:

We're GAMEPRO! We're PROS! Instead of crediting our authors, we have CARICATURES with funny names like SCARY LARRY! We grade on a 5 point scale based on things like FUN FACTOR! We're not totally irrelevant and just as childish as nintendo power, we have CREDIBILITY! For the love of god, someone listen to us, please, we hate something popular, yeah, we're totally INDIE PC HARDCORE GAMERS, RAWK![/quote]

oh please me next!

I'm JER7583! I read the article but i decided to write about the company instead of the valid points in the article! My full out attack on gamepro will prove this article wrong! I never wrote for a living but Im allowed to discredit them because my PC sucks! That and I didnt have a credit card to subscribe in 5th GRADE!
...on a serious note, try to give some real feedback instead of the nonsense. My question is to you, you already beat the game 3 times in less than a week?[/quote]

oh cmon, cut the guy some slack. first of all, i havent read one review that said it was the best shooter ever. they ALL said its the best CONSOLE shooter ever. i have a pretty high-end PC, and the 3 major consoles, and coming from a PC shooter backround, you really cant compare the two. its not fair. yes, ive played better single player games on the PC. Yes half life 1 is better, and i even enjoyed far cry more. but to be honest, ive never ever played a multiplayer game that ive had more fun online. i ve played counterstrike, UT, Quake and all the rest, and they way Bungie implemented the online play is astouding.

and to counter the gamepro arguement, the reason that the PC halo didnt shift plate tectonics when it came out was that everyone who really wanted to play halo already did 10 months earlier on the xbox. since the xbox costs about a 3rd of a high end videocard, and PC gamer worth his Nvidia drivers already sprung for it.

oh yeah, and gamepro is written by 8 year old special ed students.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Jackie Brown was not boring.[/quote]

Jackie Brown was by far the worst Tarantino film to date. I found it rather boring myself.
 
[quote name='jalu6']and to counter the gamepro arguement, the reason that the PC halo didnt shift plate tectonics when it came out was that everyone who really wanted to play halo already did 10 months earlier on the xbox.[/quote]

It was much more than 10 months - it was 2 years. Halo XB was Nov. 2001, Halo PC was Sept 30, 2003.
 
[quote name='soulninja'] Also, from my experience on XBL, it was more about 13 year olds screaming tasteless phrases or hyper nerd pwn speak. [/quote]

Sadly, most if not all online games suffer through this. PC or console, profane 13 year olds overun everything. I dont think this could be counted as a flaw to halo 2s multiplayer, unless bungie implemented some sort of age/dumbass check, which isnt such a bad idea.
 
ok then how about every time someone talks about how awesome it is, they post an score with XBL and without.

Like with XBL - 10+
without XBL - 8.3

Unless of course its like most games these days, an updated version with online tacked on. Then it goes down to a 8.5 with or without XBL.

and sorry but Jackie Brown was definitely ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
What's wrong with trieing to make a good FPS experience for the consoles? I bet you this guy is a PC fanboy. I mean, when you think about, he's pretty much insulting the whole console gaming community by saying Halo, one of the, if not the most prized console FPS doesn't stack up compared to PC games. I'm sorry for seeming like such an apparent Xbox fanboy, but I will applaud Halo till the day I die. I love that damn game, and I can't help it.
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='jalu6']and to counter the gamepro arguement, the reason that the PC halo didnt shift plate tectonics when it came out was that everyone who really wanted to play halo already did 10 months earlier on the xbox.[/quote]

It was much more than 10 months - it was 2 years. Halo XB was Nov. 2001, Halo PC was Sept 30, 2003.[/quote]

ok, thanks for pointing that out. that just gave everyone more time to play it on the xbox. who would expect a 2 year old port of a console game to make such a big splash even with new online play? (not to mention that halo PC did have some issues with it hiccuping even on higher end PCs. dont know why that would happen.)
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Halo 2 shouldn't be judged based on JUST its campaign mode. LAN matches and Xbox live will keep the replay value up considering I was still having Halo 1 LAN matches up to the release of part 2. Most people who bash Halo haven't tried it online or in 8-16 player LAN.[/quote]

The XBL bit has been the best part as ive heard from most users BUT to be fair think about how many copies Halo 2 sold...now think about the number of Xbox Live Units sold...No where near the amount. That means most users are not on Xbox Live and when you think of the cost between all the xboxes and controllers needed for a lan pt...you might as well buy a high end pc lol. j/k but still not everyone has the resources to play lan and XBL so campaign mode is a big part of living up to they hype.
 
" PC or console, profane 13 year olds overun everything"

No I consider this a fault with XBL, and with parents buying their kids whatever they ask for. Unless 13 year olds are able to set up broadband accounts and use credit cards.

As with PCs, I dont think this is as much an issue. If anything, the immaturity can be somewhat masked or diluded, or in the case with some PC nerds magnified.

But from my experience on XBL, it was being subjected to the verbal BS of soccer mom byproduct.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay'] Oh, and the thing that pisses me off the most.... NO BOTS!!! [/quote]
Amen! The lack of bots was very disappointing. On Friday I had an 8 person LAN party, and having 8 bots to fill up the rest of the spots on some levels would have been really fun.
And it’s so sad when you’re by yourself and you want to play some multiplayer, but you cant because there are not bots. The lack of bots really disappoints me.
 
[quote name='XboxMaster']What's wrong with trieing to make a good FPS experience for the consoles? I bet you this guy is a PC fanboy. I mean, when you think about, he's pretty much insulting the whole console gaming community by saying Halo, one of the, if not the most prized console FPS doesn't stack up compared to PC games. I'm sorry for seeming like such an apparent Xbox fanboy, but I will applaud Halo till the day I die. I love that damn game, and I can't help it.[/quote]

DAMN SHAQ-FUING STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:
 
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