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Yeah..... apparently its real this time.... unlike the last time.....
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Yeah..... apparently its real this time.... unlike the last time.....
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"We're TNA. We can surely think of a way to
this up."rickshankshaw
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ROH on HDNet on now. Cornette is making a huge difference.
Bound For Glory drew roughly 2400 people to the Bren Events Center in Irvine. As of a week before the show, they'd sold 850 tickets to the event. UC-Irvine students were given a B1G1 deal on tickets at first, then two free with student ID, and finally four free tickets with student ID on the day of the show.
Unreal for what's supposed to be their biggest show of the year.
Unreal for what's supposed to be their biggest show of the year.
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Kaz asked for his release? Big deal. The Suicide character is a terrible gimmick with a pretty goddamned insensitive name (I mean specifically in terms of dead wrestlers, let alone the thousands of other cases each year).
Neither he nor Suicide contribute anything meaningful to the TNA program. Take your spot monkey shit to the smart mark arena shows in front of 75 people, and take half the TNA roster with you. Maybe we'll get some pro wrestlers then.
Neither he nor Suicide contribute anything meaningful to the TNA program. Take your spot monkey shit to the smart mark arena shows in front of 75 people, and take half the TNA roster with you. Maybe we'll get some pro wrestlers then.
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Whoa. Calm down.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Kaz asked for his release? Big deal. The Suicide character is a terrible gimmick with a pretty goddamned insensitive name (I mean specifically in terms of dead wrestlers, let alone the thousands of other cases each year).
Neither he nor Suicide contribute anything meaningful to the TNA program. Take your spot monkey shit to the smart mark arena shows in front of 75 people, and take half the TNA roster with you. Maybe we'll get some pro wrestlers then.[/QUOTE]
Are you one step closer to the edge and are you about to break?
Neither he nor Suicide contribute anything meaningful to the TNA program. Take your spot monkey shit to the smart mark arena shows in front of 75 people, and take half the TNA roster with you. Maybe we'll get some pro wrestlers then.[/QUOTE]
Are you one step closer to the edge and are you about to break?
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RAW should hopefully be fun to watch thank to Ozzy hosting.
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[quote name='Brak']Whoa. Calm down.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying Kaz's contributions to pro wrestling are about as great as Funaki's. Would you disagree? Would you argue that wrestling wouldn't be a hodge-podge of flippy spots, towers of doom, and no-selling if Kaz never existed?
Q: Dude's an overrated crybaby. What has he ever contributed over two terms in TNA and one in WWE?
A: A ponytail.
I was curious if they were going to mention Ozzy's WM2 appearance on Raw. I don't remember Ozzy performing on Smackdown at all, and I sure don't recall Mike Bordin drumming for Ozzy. Huh.
EDIT: These sketches WWE writes remind me of old episodes of "Hee-Haw." The only awesome thing is how the Osbournes keeping up names. Kobe Kingston and Evan Brawn.
I'm just saying Kaz's contributions to pro wrestling are about as great as Funaki's. Would you disagree? Would you argue that wrestling wouldn't be a hodge-podge of flippy spots, towers of doom, and no-selling if Kaz never existed?
Q: Dude's an overrated crybaby. What has he ever contributed over two terms in TNA and one in WWE?
A: A ponytail.
I was curious if they were going to mention Ozzy's WM2 appearance on Raw. I don't remember Ozzy performing on Smackdown at all, and I sure don't recall Mike Bordin drumming for Ozzy. Huh.
EDIT: These sketches WWE writes remind me of old episodes of "Hee-Haw." The only awesome thing is how the Osbournes keep
ing up names. Kobe Kingston and Evan Brawn.
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Evan Brawn and Kobe Kingston.
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[quote name='JJSP']Myke says "enough is enough, and it's time for a change".[/QUOTE]
wooooo
wooooo
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Hey, Buck.
Hey, Roy.
*spit* Who we got rasslin' tonight?
Evan Brawn and Kobe Kingston.
Oh, no, Buck, here comes the general manager!
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I know it's going to be poorly executed, but the idea of it being a 19th century western immediately conjured up images of characters like Stephen King's Gunslinger and The Saint of Killers (from Garth Ennis' Preacher series).
So I don't think it's starting out with a bad idea, but the pressure to make it PG or PG-13, along with ostensible wrestling tie-ins, yeah...it'll be bad.
So I don't think it's starting out with a bad idea, but the pressure to make it PG or PG-13, along with ostensible wrestling tie-ins, yeah...it'll be bad.
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It will be produced by the WWE. Of course it's starting out as a bad idea.
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Seamus looked like hot fire tonight. Very convincing strikes, and Jamie Noble did one of the best jobs I've seen in years in selling (though you could argue the whimpering was over the top). They just made Seamus someone important in about 3 minutes. Super, super impressive.
They need to focus on the uranage backbreaker (or whatever it is) as a finisher. That's devastating looking.
They need to focus on the uranage backbreaker (or whatever it is) as a finisher. That's devastating looking.
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Agreed. That powerbomb to the floor was sick.
I wonder how long 'til they just feed him to Cena and kill and heat he may have generated.
I wonder how long 'til they just feed him to Cena and kill and heat he may have generated.
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that masters moment was ing awesome!!
ing awesome!!
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The show intro took for-freaking-ever, and Sharon annoyed me with the REALLY!? bit, but I liked seeing mid-card stuff get progressed in the opening and with the guest host(s) to boot. Then Sheamus mauled Noble and while, even at 2 minutes, this kinda dragged, the post-match was just perfect. Sheamus kept up the attack, Noble sold it perfectly, they did a stretcher job, and both King and Cole put the attack over like a huge deal. Then they brought it up later in the show, so yeah, WWE made a stretcher job involving Jamie Noble mean more than TNA's with Kurt Angle. Awesome and sad at the same time.
Miz vs. Bourne was an awesome little five minute match. Despite being basically a jobber, Evan was HUGELY over here and the fans bought that he actually could have won the title. It's impossible for these two to have a bad match, and I hope that one day they actually pull the trigger and do something with Bourne. Kofi vs. Orton was a fine little preview match for their eventual full match, although the six-man tag that broke out didn't do much for me. The finish was neat though - with Henry giving Cody the big slam after a cross body block attempt. The ballin/BOOM DROP combo was cool, too. It just didn't feel very significant or memorable.
"Raw's Got Talent!" was the best-titled thing possibly ever. Shitty segment aside from the Masters deal with him flexing his pecs to the tune of "Crazy Train". Then it was time for the divas battle royal, which was also horrible. Then DX hung Hornswoggle from a thing, and HHH buried the PPV main event, and then they did commentary and made a mockery of everything. Hell of a main event program. Show-Jericho-Cena was a fine face vs. heel handicap match aside from the awful commentary though. Jericho winning was a pleasant surprise, and I loved seeing the tag champs stand tall over all the top faces at the end of the show. It's a shame the Walls/Clutch was cut so short - that could get over easily as a major move for them if they actually do it for more than a second.
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Miz vs. Bourne was an awesome little five minute match. Despite being basically a jobber, Evan was HUGELY over here and the fans bought that he actually could have won the title. It's impossible for these two to have a bad match, and I hope that one day they actually pull the trigger and do something with Bourne. Kofi vs. Orton was a fine little preview match for their eventual full match, although the six-man tag that broke out didn't do much for me. The finish was neat though - with Henry giving Cody the big slam after a cross body block attempt. The ballin/BOOM DROP combo was cool, too. It just didn't feel very significant or memorable.
"Raw's Got Talent!" was the best-titled thing possibly ever. Shitty segment aside from the Masters deal with him flexing his pecs to the tune of "Crazy Train". Then it was time for the divas battle royal, which was also horrible. Then DX hung Hornswoggle from a thing, and HHH buried the PPV main event, and then they did commentary and made a mockery of everything. Hell of a main event program. Show-Jericho-Cena was a fine face vs. heel handicap match aside from the awful commentary though. Jericho winning was a pleasant surprise, and I loved seeing the tag champs stand tall over all the top faces at the end of the show. It's a shame the Walls/Clutch was cut so short - that could get over easily as a major move for them if they actually do it for more than a second.
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Cole - IT’S THE GODFATHER OF HEAVY METAL! THE OZZMAN COMETH TO RAW!
Ozzy - WELCOME TO MONDAY NIGHT ROOOWWWWW! ALL ABOARDDDD! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Miz - Are you two having a good time?
Ozzy - FABULOUS!
Miz - Great, because I’m a bigger star than you and your entire family!
Sharon - REALLY!? REALLY!? LITTLE BOY!
Miz - Last week, I got robbed in my match with Evan Bourne. Due to outside interference, I lost! BY COUNTOUT! And what I want you two to do for me is strike it from the record! Have the referee overturn his decision - GET RID OF IT! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING!?
Ozzy - Who in the bloody hell are you?
Miz - I’M THE CURRENT U.S. CHAMPION BECAUSE I’M THE MIZ AND I’M AWESOME! (Legacy comes out)
Cody - You wanna complain about losing by countout? Do you have any idea how petty that is? Ozzy, last week, Ted and I bought Randy a very “special” gift.
Ted - Well, I paid for most of it. IT WAS A LEGEND KILLER NASCAR that was smashed and defaced by Kofi Kingston!
Cody - KINGSTON VANDALIZED PERSONAL PROPERTY! PUT US IN A HANDICAP MATCH AGAINST KOFI TONIGHT!
Miz - Wait your turn, Ozzy and Sharon are gonna deal with me first!
Sharon - REALLY!?
Miz - Yes really!
Show - Ozzy, Sharon - don’t listen to these whiners. Last week on Raw, I was betrayed and assaulted by the entire Raw roster! I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!
Ozzy - I’m so sorry!
Show - NOT FROM YOU! I want you and Sharon to have the Raw roster come out and apologize! BECAUSE IF THEY DON’T, THEY’RE ALL GONNA GET ONE OF THESE!
Ozzy - SHAAAAARROOOONNN!!
HHH - Sorry for the interuption Ozzy, but before these ratings-killers destroy seg 1 of the show, I thought we’d save it. We have a lot in common. YOU HAVE YOUR BOOK COMING OUT IN JANUARY and Shawn and I have OUR BOOK ON SALE AT FINE BOOKSTORES EVERYWERE!
Miz - THIS IS SERIOUS, HUNTER!
HHH - I know - that’s why we’re gonna take care of this Blizzard of Ozz style. Everyone will get what they want - you want your loss taken off the record books. Watch this. (talks to Ozzy)
Ozzy - HE’S GONNA FIGHT EVAN BRAWN TONIGHT! FOR THE U.S. TITLE!
HHH - Close enough.
HBK - And you two want something - we’re gonna help you. No, I can’t help you with WM tickets that GO ON SALE THIS SATURDAY! If you wanna get to WrestleMania, you’d better wait in line ON SATURDAY! But I know you want a handicap match with Kofi, so…. (talks to Sharon)
Sharon - TONIGHT, IT WILL BE KOBE KINGSTON FACING HIS OPPONENT RANDY ORTON~
HHH - Don’t worry Benedict Fatguy, we didn’t forget…
Show - Hey, I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE UP TO! Maybe I don’t want an apology - maybe I want a warmup. Maybe it should be Cena vs. HHH vs. HBK in a triple threat match. But I can play your game too!
Ozzy - Tonight there’s a triple threat match. John Cena! Versus CHRIS JERICHO! VERSUS THE BIG SHOW!
Show - SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID!
Sharon - OZZY HAS THE FINAL WORD! ALL THE MATCHES ARE FINAL, AND IF YOU’RE NOT DOWN WITH THAT, I’VE GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!
(after Bourne does the double knee dive)Lawler - THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT’LL DO TO THE MIZ’S TRAPEZOID MUSCLES!
Lawler - Sheamus has a unique look. I don’t think he’s ever seen the sun!
(after Sheamus kicks Noble off the top to the floor)Guy - YOU DA BOMB! HE’S A BUM!
King - COMING UP NEXT - RAW’S GOT TALENT! YOU WON’T BELIEVE IT!
Khali - Sherry!
King - If I’m interpreting him correctly, he’s saying that he has a crush on your daughter Kelly.
Sharon - WE’D LOVE HIM AS A SON IN LAW!
King - HERE TO SING BARK AT THE MOON - SAANTINO!
Santino - Unfortunately, I’m not going to sing that because I’M NOT A DOG! HIT DA MUSIC! YOU ARE VERY POPULAR IN ITALY! OZZY AND HARIET! I’M GONNA BITE THE HEAD OFF A BAT! MAN!
Sharon - RUBBISH!
King - CHRIS MASTERS DOING A PERFORMANCE PIECE TO CRAZY TRAIN! (he makes his pecs jiggle to the tune)
Ozzy - BUY THAT MAN A BRA!
Sharon - GORGEOUS!
Singh - Khali says he found that oddly mesmerizing.
King - Our final contestants here to sing a duet - CHAVO AND JILLIAN!
(after she slaps Jillian)Chavo - CONTROL YOUR WIFE, OZZY!
Ozzy - You do it - I CAN’T!
(after the splash)Cole - VINTAGE HORNSWOGGLE!
King - How can you tell the Bellas apart?
Cole - Well…one has longer boots…actually they’re wearing the same outfits.
King - Yeah.
Jericho - The Osbournes - making a mockery of Raw just like every guest host. Not consulting me at all. Raw’s got talent? I’VE GOT TALENT! I’M THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT WHAT I DO. One of those reasons is you - because Ozzy was my hero as a kid. I’ve memorized every word - LET THE MADNESS BEGIN! I wanted to be like you. I dyed my tips purple. I begged for the fans, and then I realized I didn’t need any fans because I was better than all of them. And now I’m better than you.
Ozzy - I don’t think so.
Jericho - Well I do!
Ozzy - Who is that joke?
HHH - WE NEED 2 WEEKS WITHOUT YOU INFRINGING UPON OUR IP!
Cena - YOU CAN’T HANG A LEPRECAUN ON A HOOK. My uncle did it once. And you know what, he understands more than you think! HE’S THE REASON WE’RE FIGHTING AT SURVIVOR SERIES!
HHH - I’m not sweating the triple threat much - 2 weeks ago, I beat you.
HBK - Yeah, and next week, Raw’s in England - where I beat you.
Cena - WE BEAT EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME! (Bellas walk in) THAT DIDN’T COME OUT RIGHT!
HBK - I TOOK PHYSICS WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PASS ALGEBRA, SO DX HAS A MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY OF WALKING OUT WITH THE WWE TITLE!
Cena - Shawn, your online degree doesn’t count.
(on commentary)HBK - This isn’t an easy job!
HHH - People yelling in your ear all the time.
Cole - ALWAYS!
HBK - If I said “vintage” a lot, I bet it’d help.
HBK - I’m Robin - I don’t get to drive the Batmobile.
HHH - He might even go with the green tights with pointy shoes thing.
(after the flying shoulder block)Cole - VINTAGE CENA!
Ozzy - WELCOME TO MONDAY NIGHT ROOOWWWWW! ALL ABOARDDDD! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Miz - Are you two having a good time?
Ozzy - FABULOUS!
Miz - Great, because I’m a bigger star than you and your entire family!
Sharon - REALLY!? REALLY!? LITTLE BOY!
Miz - Last week, I got robbed in my match with Evan Bourne. Due to outside interference, I lost! BY COUNTOUT! And what I want you two to do for me is strike it from the record! Have the referee overturn his decision - GET RID OF IT! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING!?
Ozzy - Who in the bloody hell are you?
Miz - I’M THE CURRENT U.S. CHAMPION BECAUSE I’M THE MIZ AND I’M AWESOME! (Legacy comes out)
Cody - You wanna complain about losing by countout? Do you have any idea how petty that is? Ozzy, last week, Ted and I bought Randy a very “special” gift.
Ted - Well, I paid for most of it. IT WAS A LEGEND KILLER NASCAR that was smashed and defaced by Kofi Kingston!
Cody - KINGSTON VANDALIZED PERSONAL PROPERTY! PUT US IN A HANDICAP MATCH AGAINST KOFI TONIGHT!
Miz - Wait your turn, Ozzy and Sharon are gonna deal with me first!
Sharon - REALLY!?
Miz - Yes really!
Show - Ozzy, Sharon - don’t listen to these whiners. Last week on Raw, I was betrayed and assaulted by the entire Raw roster! I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!
Ozzy - I’m so sorry!
Show - NOT FROM YOU! I want you and Sharon to have the Raw roster come out and apologize! BECAUSE IF THEY DON’T, THEY’RE ALL GONNA GET ONE OF THESE!
Ozzy - SHAAAAARROOOONNN!!
HHH - Sorry for the interuption Ozzy, but before these ratings-killers destroy seg 1 of the show, I thought we’d save it. We have a lot in common. YOU HAVE YOUR BOOK COMING OUT IN JANUARY and Shawn and I have OUR BOOK ON SALE AT FINE BOOKSTORES EVERYWERE!
Miz - THIS IS SERIOUS, HUNTER!
HHH - I know - that’s why we’re gonna take care of this Blizzard of Ozz style. Everyone will get what they want - you want your loss taken off the record books. Watch this. (talks to Ozzy)
Ozzy - HE’S GONNA FIGHT EVAN BRAWN TONIGHT! FOR THE U.S. TITLE!
HHH - Close enough.
HBK - And you two want something - we’re gonna help you. No, I can’t help you with WM tickets that GO ON SALE THIS SATURDAY! If you wanna get to WrestleMania, you’d better wait in line ON SATURDAY! But I know you want a handicap match with Kofi, so…. (talks to Sharon)
Sharon - TONIGHT, IT WILL BE KOBE KINGSTON FACING HIS OPPONENT RANDY ORTON~
HHH - Don’t worry Benedict Fatguy, we didn’t forget…
Show - Hey, I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE UP TO! Maybe I don’t want an apology - maybe I want a warmup. Maybe it should be Cena vs. HHH vs. HBK in a triple threat match. But I can play your game too!
Ozzy - Tonight there’s a triple threat match. John Cena! Versus CHRIS JERICHO! VERSUS THE BIG SHOW!
Show - SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID!
Sharon - OZZY HAS THE FINAL WORD! ALL THE MATCHES ARE FINAL, AND IF YOU’RE NOT DOWN WITH THAT, I’VE GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!
(after Bourne does the double knee dive)Lawler - THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT’LL DO TO THE MIZ’S TRAPEZOID MUSCLES!
Lawler - Sheamus has a unique look. I don’t think he’s ever seen the sun!
(after Sheamus kicks Noble off the top to the floor)Guy - YOU DA BOMB! HE’S A BUM!
King - COMING UP NEXT - RAW’S GOT TALENT! YOU WON’T BELIEVE IT!
Khali - Sherry!
King - If I’m interpreting him correctly, he’s saying that he has a crush on your daughter Kelly.
Sharon - WE’D LOVE HIM AS A SON IN LAW!
King - HERE TO SING BARK AT THE MOON - SAANTINO!
Santino - Unfortunately, I’m not going to sing that because I’M NOT A DOG! HIT DA MUSIC! YOU ARE VERY POPULAR IN ITALY! OZZY AND HARIET! I’M GONNA BITE THE HEAD OFF A BAT! MAN!
Sharon - RUBBISH!
King - CHRIS MASTERS DOING A PERFORMANCE PIECE TO CRAZY TRAIN! (he makes his pecs jiggle to the tune)
Ozzy - BUY THAT MAN A BRA!
Sharon - GORGEOUS!
Singh - Khali says he found that oddly mesmerizing.
King - Our final contestants here to sing a duet - CHAVO AND JILLIAN!
(after she slaps Jillian)Chavo - CONTROL YOUR WIFE, OZZY!
Ozzy - You do it - I CAN’T!
(after the splash)Cole - VINTAGE HORNSWOGGLE!
King - How can you tell the Bellas apart?
Cole - Well…one has longer boots…actually they’re wearing the same outfits.
King - Yeah.
Jericho - The Osbournes - making a mockery of Raw just like every guest host. Not consulting me at all. Raw’s got talent? I’VE GOT TALENT! I’M THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT WHAT I DO. One of those reasons is you - because Ozzy was my hero as a kid. I’ve memorized every word - LET THE MADNESS BEGIN! I wanted to be like you. I dyed my tips purple. I begged for the fans, and then I realized I didn’t need any fans because I was better than all of them. And now I’m better than you.
Ozzy - I don’t think so.
Jericho - Well I do!
Ozzy - Who is that joke?
HHH - WE NEED 2 WEEKS WITHOUT YOU INFRINGING UPON OUR IP!
Cena - YOU CAN’T HANG A LEPRECAUN ON A HOOK. My uncle did it once. And you know what, he understands more than you think! HE’S THE REASON WE’RE FIGHTING AT SURVIVOR SERIES!
HHH - I’m not sweating the triple threat much - 2 weeks ago, I beat you.
HBK - Yeah, and next week, Raw’s in England - where I beat you.
Cena - WE BEAT EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME! (Bellas walk in) THAT DIDN’T COME OUT RIGHT!
HBK - I TOOK PHYSICS WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PASS ALGEBRA, SO DX HAS A MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY OF WALKING OUT WITH THE WWE TITLE!
Cena - Shawn, your online degree doesn’t count.
(on commentary)HBK - This isn’t an easy job!
HHH - People yelling in your ear all the time.
Cole - ALWAYS!
HBK - If I said “vintage” a lot, I bet it’d help.
HBK - I’m Robin - I don’t get to drive the Batmobile.
HHH - He might even go with the green tights with pointy shoes thing.
(after the flying shoulder block)Cole - VINTAGE CENA!
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[quote name='guyver2077']that masters moment was ing awesome!![/QUOTE]
Someone needs to gif this asap.
ing awesome!![/QUOTE]Someone needs to gif this asap.
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Q.---What is your opinion on Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff signing with TNA?
A.---Oh, this whole thing reminds me of why I hate corporate wrestling. I must admit there are bright spots, like imagining Vince McMahon's face and blood pressure when he heard the news, or hearing Hogan bitchslap Vince Russo by saying they'd be OK if "he stays in his place." Can TNA make their minds up, LAST month everybody had to be "100% behind Russo's creative direction" and THIS month they hire a guy who once SUED him for his lousy booking? They have reunited the same team that helped WCW lose more money than any wrestling promotion in history.
In all seriousness, of course Hogan's presence will boost ratings, at least in the short term, and one or two PPV appearances over six months or a year will do buys far beyond anything TNA's ever done on PPV. He can get publicity like no one else associated with TNA. Bischoff has proven he can get television deals done, just possibly not GOOD television shows MADE. But to me there are still issues. Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara are still writing the show. If a lot of people are looking at a turd, does it smell better? This is not a company-making move unless the extra viewers see a product they can get hooked on when Hogan isn't there or gone. It doesn't speak well for the policy of the youth movement and pushing new faces and making new stars. Talk about a Bush-Clinton dynasty, how long has it been since someone not named McMahon, Bischoff, Hogan and Russo has been in charge of wrestling in this country, and the business is a lot less popular in the US than it was 10 years ago. Will Hogan do anything to make even one young talent like Lashley, or Morgan, or "Desmond", a star, or just drop the leg in each appearance to make the "fans happy"? A lot of questions about whether this is a good move for TNA will be answered by what both Bischoff and Hogan do for TNA instead of themselves. But the very nature of this move indicates the company does not intend to present any alternative to "sports entertainment", and no one will ever beat Vince McMahon at that. Long-term, I believe the only way for TNA to succeed with this move is to hook the extra fans they get, and have a young roster of new stars in positions ready to take over for Hogan and the rest of their veteran roster within the next year. I don't see Vince Russo as the architect of that and I don't see the style of athletically based, competitive wrestling that COULD hook these new or excommunicated fans being one that Russo knows how to present, that TNA wants to present, or that Hogan's style lends itself to presenting.
Which brings me to the next question that has been asked dozens of times in the last month---
Q.---Why do you believe Ring of Honor is, as you've said, the "wrestling of the future"?
A.---In the old territory days, when business was drastically down, even in danger of folding up, you would "hotshot" the territory. You would give them as much blood, violence, heat, angles and edgy content as you could get away with, until the fans either came back or the territory closed down. If they came back, the art was to pull the hotshotting back soon enough and get them hooked on the wrestling again, before it got to where you "couldn't follow it", and you closed up anyway. The base of it all was still two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? With the corporate world involved, the ratings wars, WWF vs. WCW, WWE vs. TNA, etc., wrestling has been hotshotted for 15 years straight, and it's finally gotten to where we can't follow it. So many angles and so many bumps, with special effects and outrageous stunts and preposterous stories and hardcore matches with buckets of blood.
The rise of UFC in particular and MMA in general has shown that people have a desire to strip away the hokey bullshit and get back down to the base of it--two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? Whether it's "real" or not is about number 5 on the list of reasons the UFC is kicking wrestling's ass. People want to see two guys, charismatic, colorful, and athletic, engage in an exciting contest with flashy moves or hard strikes ending with one guy winning, sometimes in a controversial fashion and often necessitating a rematch. That describes both MMA and pro wrestling. They will pay to see that when properly promoted. They will watch sports entertainment on TV for free, but it's getting harder and harder to get people to get attached enough to "sports entertainment", presented outright as scripted entertainment and generally comedic in nature, to buy it on PPV or at the arenas.
ROH is, in my opinion, the wrestling of the future because it's the only promotion now concentrating on the product, letting the wrestlers wrestle and letting the fans decide who gets over. The stars are young, athletic, dedicated and hungry. They may be green in some cases, but time solves that. They bust their asses, both in trying to get over and in trying to get their matches over. They have no special effects budget, so instead their special effects are great matches, and who wins and loses is presented as important, so the fans actually CARE. The promotion is a perfect fit for both HDNet's and MMA's audiences which are predominently males under 45. I believe as their TV exposure increases, and more fans are exposed to this style, ROH will grow. I am hoping that my experience in helping develop personalities and logical, long-term booking will help them maximize their potential. I had hoped to bring that perspective to TNA, but that is not the direction they want to go. ROH is much more interested in expanding on that more serious, athletic style.
Q.---What is your opinion on the WWE Hall of Fame and would you accept an induction?
A.---Not much and no. Obviously, they have not been beating my door down nor do I expect them to, but here's my feelings. It started as a WWF Hall of Fame just so they could have a dinner before Wrestlemania. Vince picked who he wanted to put in it, and only WWF stars or personnel made it, so you got James Dudley (Vince Sr.'s limo driver). Bruno Sammartino is still not in. Then, when Vince bought WCW, they changed it to a Hall of Fame for ALL wrestling, and Vince still picks who he wants in. If he's doing a big video release on you, or you were over in the city WM appears in, you're in. There's a quota of not too many dead people per year so it's not a downer. If he's mad at you, you're not in. If he doesn't know who you are, you're not in. Lou Thesz is not in. So seriously, even though there have been some genuinely great moments at the dinner, that was due to the talent themselves and not the prestige of Vince's HOF. There are certainly people in there that would be in any HOF, and some that wouldn't. Overall, I am prouder of both myself and both versions of the Midnight Express being in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame, because in that one, you are actually VOTED in by people in and around the sport.
A.---Oh, this whole thing reminds me of why I hate corporate wrestling. I must admit there are bright spots, like imagining Vince McMahon's face and blood pressure when he heard the news, or hearing Hogan bitchslap Vince Russo by saying they'd be OK if "he stays in his place." Can TNA make their minds up, LAST month everybody had to be "100% behind Russo's creative direction" and THIS month they hire a guy who once SUED him for his lousy booking? They have reunited the same team that helped WCW lose more money than any wrestling promotion in history.
In all seriousness, of course Hogan's presence will boost ratings, at least in the short term, and one or two PPV appearances over six months or a year will do buys far beyond anything TNA's ever done on PPV. He can get publicity like no one else associated with TNA. Bischoff has proven he can get television deals done, just possibly not GOOD television shows MADE. But to me there are still issues. Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara are still writing the show. If a lot of people are looking at a turd, does it smell better? This is not a company-making move unless the extra viewers see a product they can get hooked on when Hogan isn't there or gone. It doesn't speak well for the policy of the youth movement and pushing new faces and making new stars. Talk about a Bush-Clinton dynasty, how long has it been since someone not named McMahon, Bischoff, Hogan and Russo has been in charge of wrestling in this country, and the business is a lot less popular in the US than it was 10 years ago. Will Hogan do anything to make even one young talent like Lashley, or Morgan, or "Desmond", a star, or just drop the leg in each appearance to make the "fans happy"? A lot of questions about whether this is a good move for TNA will be answered by what both Bischoff and Hogan do for TNA instead of themselves. But the very nature of this move indicates the company does not intend to present any alternative to "sports entertainment", and no one will ever beat Vince McMahon at that. Long-term, I believe the only way for TNA to succeed with this move is to hook the extra fans they get, and have a young roster of new stars in positions ready to take over for Hogan and the rest of their veteran roster within the next year. I don't see Vince Russo as the architect of that and I don't see the style of athletically based, competitive wrestling that COULD hook these new or excommunicated fans being one that Russo knows how to present, that TNA wants to present, or that Hogan's style lends itself to presenting.
Which brings me to the next question that has been asked dozens of times in the last month---
Q.---Why do you believe Ring of Honor is, as you've said, the "wrestling of the future"?
A.---In the old territory days, when business was drastically down, even in danger of folding up, you would "hotshot" the territory. You would give them as much blood, violence, heat, angles and edgy content as you could get away with, until the fans either came back or the territory closed down. If they came back, the art was to pull the hotshotting back soon enough and get them hooked on the wrestling again, before it got to where you "couldn't follow it", and you closed up anyway. The base of it all was still two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? With the corporate world involved, the ratings wars, WWF vs. WCW, WWE vs. TNA, etc., wrestling has been hotshotted for 15 years straight, and it's finally gotten to where we can't follow it. So many angles and so many bumps, with special effects and outrageous stunts and preposterous stories and hardcore matches with buckets of blood.
The rise of UFC in particular and MMA in general has shown that people have a desire to strip away the hokey bullshit and get back down to the base of it--two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? Whether it's "real" or not is about number 5 on the list of reasons the UFC is kicking wrestling's ass. People want to see two guys, charismatic, colorful, and athletic, engage in an exciting contest with flashy moves or hard strikes ending with one guy winning, sometimes in a controversial fashion and often necessitating a rematch. That describes both MMA and pro wrestling. They will pay to see that when properly promoted. They will watch sports entertainment on TV for free, but it's getting harder and harder to get people to get attached enough to "sports entertainment", presented outright as scripted entertainment and generally comedic in nature, to buy it on PPV or at the arenas.
ROH is, in my opinion, the wrestling of the future because it's the only promotion now concentrating on the product, letting the wrestlers wrestle and letting the fans decide who gets over. The stars are young, athletic, dedicated and hungry. They may be green in some cases, but time solves that. They bust their asses, both in trying to get over and in trying to get their matches over. They have no special effects budget, so instead their special effects are great matches, and who wins and loses is presented as important, so the fans actually CARE. The promotion is a perfect fit for both HDNet's and MMA's audiences which are predominently males under 45. I believe as their TV exposure increases, and more fans are exposed to this style, ROH will grow. I am hoping that my experience in helping develop personalities and logical, long-term booking will help them maximize their potential. I had hoped to bring that perspective to TNA, but that is not the direction they want to go. ROH is much more interested in expanding on that more serious, athletic style.
Q.---What is your opinion on the WWE Hall of Fame and would you accept an induction?
A.---Not much and no. Obviously, they have not been beating my door down nor do I expect them to, but here's my feelings. It started as a WWF Hall of Fame just so they could have a dinner before Wrestlemania. Vince picked who he wanted to put in it, and only WWF stars or personnel made it, so you got James Dudley (Vince Sr.'s limo driver). Bruno Sammartino is still not in. Then, when Vince bought WCW, they changed it to a Hall of Fame for ALL wrestling, and Vince still picks who he wants in. If he's doing a big video release on you, or you were over in the city WM appears in, you're in. There's a quota of not too many dead people per year so it's not a downer. If he's mad at you, you're not in. If he doesn't know who you are, you're not in. Lou Thesz is not in. So seriously, even though there have been some genuinely great moments at the dinner, that was due to the talent themselves and not the prestige of Vince's HOF. There are certainly people in there that would be in any HOF, and some that wouldn't. Overall, I am prouder of both myself and both versions of the Midnight Express being in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame, because in that one, you are actually VOTED in by people in and around the sport.
Long post, thus spoilerized. Jim Cornette is simply one of the most brilliant and insightful people in wrestling today.
Love his comments on the "Hall of Fame" that WWE has. Reminds me of something Billy Graham said in the auction where he sold his WWE Hall of Fame ring - At a board meeting with Vince, Vince said "That there will never be an actual physical Hall of Fame building and that the Hall of Fame only exists in my head."
That's the biggest slap in the face of all - you put your life into the sport, you get honored for it .. only to find that it's more of a mockery, for a fictional Hall of Fame that only exists in the CEO's mind.
That's the biggest slap in the face of all - you put your life into the sport, you get honored for it .. only to find that it's more of a mockery, for a fictional Hall of Fame that only exists in the CEO's mind.
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Long post, thus spoilerized. Jim Cornette is simply one of the most brilliant and insightful people in wrestling today.[/QUOTE]
IMO, he's correct on his assessment of ROH. Of the three companies it's the show I look forward to most each week (even though I have to watch it on YouTube).
Q.---What is your opinion on Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff signing with TNA?
A.---Oh, this whole thing reminds me of why I hate corporate wrestling. I must admit there are bright spots, like imagining Vince McMahon's face and blood pressure when he heard the news, or hearing Hogan bitchslap Vince Russo by saying they'd be OK if "he stays in his place." Can TNA make their minds up, LAST month everybody had to be "100% behind Russo's creative direction" and THIS month they hire a guy who once SUED him for his lousy booking? They have reunited the same team that helped WCW lose more money than any wrestling promotion in history.
In all seriousness, of course Hogan's presence will boost ratings, at least in the short term, and one or two PPV appearances over six months or a year will do buys far beyond anything TNA's ever done on PPV. He can get publicity like no one else associated with TNA. Bischoff has proven he can get television deals done, just possibly not GOOD television shows MADE. But to me there are still issues. Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara are still writing the show. If a lot of people are looking at a turd, does it smell better? This is not a company-making move unless the extra viewers see a product they can get hooked on when Hogan isn't there or gone. It doesn't speak well for the policy of the youth movement and pushing new faces and making new stars. Talk about a Bush-Clinton dynasty, how long has it been since someone not named McMahon, Bischoff, Hogan and Russo has been in charge of wrestling in this country, and the business is a lot less popular in the US than it was 10 years ago. Will Hogan do anything to make even one young talent like Lashley, or Morgan, or "Desmond", a star, or just drop the leg in each appearance to make the "fans happy"? A lot of questions about whether this is a good move for TNA will be answered by what both Bischoff and Hogan do for TNA instead of themselves. But the very nature of this move indicates the company does not intend to present any alternative to "sports entertainment", and no one will ever beat Vince McMahon at that. Long-term, I believe the only way for TNA to succeed with this move is to hook the extra fans they get, and have a young roster of new stars in positions ready to take over for Hogan and the rest of their veteran roster within the next year. I don't see Vince Russo as the architect of that and I don't see the style of athletically based, competitive wrestling that COULD hook these new or excommunicated fans being one that Russo knows how to present, that TNA wants to present, or that Hogan's style lends itself to presenting.
Which brings me to the next question that has been asked dozens of times in the last month---
Q.---Why do you believe Ring of Honor is, as you've said, the "wrestling of the future"?
A.---In the old territory days, when business was drastically down, even in danger of folding up, you would "hotshot" the territory. You would give them as much blood, violence, heat, angles and edgy content as you could get away with, until the fans either came back or the territory closed down. If they came back, the art was to pull the hotshotting back soon enough and get them hooked on the wrestling again, before it got to where you "couldn't follow it", and you closed up anyway. The base of it all was still two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? With the corporate world involved, the ratings wars, WWF vs. WCW, WWE vs. TNA, etc., wrestling has been hotshotted for 15 years straight, and it's finally gotten to where we can't follow it. So many angles and so many bumps, with special effects and outrageous stunts and preposterous stories and hardcore matches with buckets of blood.
The rise of UFC in particular and MMA in general has shown that people have a desire to strip away the hokey bullshit and get back down to the base of it--two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? Whether it's "real" or not is about number 5 on the list of reasons the UFC is kicking wrestling's ass. People want to see two guys, charismatic, colorful, and athletic, engage in an exciting contest with flashy moves or hard strikes ending with one guy winning, sometimes in a controversial fashion and often necessitating a rematch. That describes both MMA and pro wrestling. They will pay to see that when properly promoted. They will watch sports entertainment on TV for free, but it's getting harder and harder to get people to get attached enough to "sports entertainment", presented outright as scripted entertainment and generally comedic in nature, to buy it on PPV or at the arenas.
ROH is, in my opinion, the wrestling of the future because it's the only promotion now concentrating on the product, letting the wrestlers wrestle and letting the fans decide who gets over. The stars are young, athletic, dedicated and hungry. They may be green in some cases, but time solves that. They bust their asses, both in trying to get over and in trying to get their matches over. They have no special effects budget, so instead their special effects are great matches, and who wins and loses is presented as important, so the fans actually CARE. The promotion is a perfect fit for both HDNet's and MMA's audiences which are predominently males under 45. I believe as their TV exposure increases, and more fans are exposed to this style, ROH will grow. I am hoping that my experience in helping develop personalities and logical, long-term booking will help them maximize their potential. I had hoped to bring that perspective to TNA, but that is not the direction they want to go. ROH is much more interested in expanding on that more serious, athletic style.
Q.---What is your opinion on the WWE Hall of Fame and would you accept an induction?
A.---Not much and no. Obviously, they have not been beating my door down nor do I expect them to, but here's my feelings. It started as a WWF Hall of Fame just so they could have a dinner before Wrestlemania. Vince picked who he wanted to put in it, and only WWF stars or personnel made it, so you got James Dudley (Vince Sr.'s limo driver). Bruno Sammartino is still not in. Then, when Vince bought WCW, they changed it to a Hall of Fame for ALL wrestling, and Vince still picks who he wants in. If he's doing a big video release on you, or you were over in the city WM appears in, you're in. There's a quota of not too many dead people per year so it's not a downer. If he's mad at you, you're not in. If he doesn't know who you are, you're not in. Lou Thesz is not in. So seriously, even though there have been some genuinely great moments at the dinner, that was due to the talent themselves and not the prestige of Vince's HOF. There are certainly people in there that would be in any HOF, and some that wouldn't. Overall, I am prouder of both myself and both versions of the Midnight Express being in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame, because in that one, you are actually VOTED in by people in and around the sport.
A.---Oh, this whole thing reminds me of why I hate corporate wrestling. I must admit there are bright spots, like imagining Vince McMahon's face and blood pressure when he heard the news, or hearing Hogan bitchslap Vince Russo by saying they'd be OK if "he stays in his place." Can TNA make their minds up, LAST month everybody had to be "100% behind Russo's creative direction" and THIS month they hire a guy who once SUED him for his lousy booking? They have reunited the same team that helped WCW lose more money than any wrestling promotion in history.
In all seriousness, of course Hogan's presence will boost ratings, at least in the short term, and one or two PPV appearances over six months or a year will do buys far beyond anything TNA's ever done on PPV. He can get publicity like no one else associated with TNA. Bischoff has proven he can get television deals done, just possibly not GOOD television shows MADE. But to me there are still issues. Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara are still writing the show. If a lot of people are looking at a turd, does it smell better? This is not a company-making move unless the extra viewers see a product they can get hooked on when Hogan isn't there or gone. It doesn't speak well for the policy of the youth movement and pushing new faces and making new stars. Talk about a Bush-Clinton dynasty, how long has it been since someone not named McMahon, Bischoff, Hogan and Russo has been in charge of wrestling in this country, and the business is a lot less popular in the US than it was 10 years ago. Will Hogan do anything to make even one young talent like Lashley, or Morgan, or "Desmond", a star, or just drop the leg in each appearance to make the "fans happy"? A lot of questions about whether this is a good move for TNA will be answered by what both Bischoff and Hogan do for TNA instead of themselves. But the very nature of this move indicates the company does not intend to present any alternative to "sports entertainment", and no one will ever beat Vince McMahon at that. Long-term, I believe the only way for TNA to succeed with this move is to hook the extra fans they get, and have a young roster of new stars in positions ready to take over for Hogan and the rest of their veteran roster within the next year. I don't see Vince Russo as the architect of that and I don't see the style of athletically based, competitive wrestling that COULD hook these new or excommunicated fans being one that Russo knows how to present, that TNA wants to present, or that Hogan's style lends itself to presenting.
Which brings me to the next question that has been asked dozens of times in the last month---
Q.---Why do you believe Ring of Honor is, as you've said, the "wrestling of the future"?
A.---In the old territory days, when business was drastically down, even in danger of folding up, you would "hotshot" the territory. You would give them as much blood, violence, heat, angles and edgy content as you could get away with, until the fans either came back or the territory closed down. If they came back, the art was to pull the hotshotting back soon enough and get them hooked on the wrestling again, before it got to where you "couldn't follow it", and you closed up anyway. The base of it all was still two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? With the corporate world involved, the ratings wars, WWF vs. WCW, WWE vs. TNA, etc., wrestling has been hotshotted for 15 years straight, and it's finally gotten to where we can't follow it. So many angles and so many bumps, with special effects and outrageous stunts and preposterous stories and hardcore matches with buckets of blood.
The rise of UFC in particular and MMA in general has shown that people have a desire to strip away the hokey bullshit and get back down to the base of it--two guys are gonna fight, who's gonna win? Whether it's "real" or not is about number 5 on the list of reasons the UFC is kicking wrestling's ass. People want to see two guys, charismatic, colorful, and athletic, engage in an exciting contest with flashy moves or hard strikes ending with one guy winning, sometimes in a controversial fashion and often necessitating a rematch. That describes both MMA and pro wrestling. They will pay to see that when properly promoted. They will watch sports entertainment on TV for free, but it's getting harder and harder to get people to get attached enough to "sports entertainment", presented outright as scripted entertainment and generally comedic in nature, to buy it on PPV or at the arenas.
ROH is, in my opinion, the wrestling of the future because it's the only promotion now concentrating on the product, letting the wrestlers wrestle and letting the fans decide who gets over. The stars are young, athletic, dedicated and hungry. They may be green in some cases, but time solves that. They bust their asses, both in trying to get over and in trying to get their matches over. They have no special effects budget, so instead their special effects are great matches, and who wins and loses is presented as important, so the fans actually CARE. The promotion is a perfect fit for both HDNet's and MMA's audiences which are predominently males under 45. I believe as their TV exposure increases, and more fans are exposed to this style, ROH will grow. I am hoping that my experience in helping develop personalities and logical, long-term booking will help them maximize their potential. I had hoped to bring that perspective to TNA, but that is not the direction they want to go. ROH is much more interested in expanding on that more serious, athletic style.
Q.---What is your opinion on the WWE Hall of Fame and would you accept an induction?
A.---Not much and no. Obviously, they have not been beating my door down nor do I expect them to, but here's my feelings. It started as a WWF Hall of Fame just so they could have a dinner before Wrestlemania. Vince picked who he wanted to put in it, and only WWF stars or personnel made it, so you got James Dudley (Vince Sr.'s limo driver). Bruno Sammartino is still not in. Then, when Vince bought WCW, they changed it to a Hall of Fame for ALL wrestling, and Vince still picks who he wants in. If he's doing a big video release on you, or you were over in the city WM appears in, you're in. There's a quota of not too many dead people per year so it's not a downer. If he's mad at you, you're not in. If he doesn't know who you are, you're not in. Lou Thesz is not in. So seriously, even though there have been some genuinely great moments at the dinner, that was due to the talent themselves and not the prestige of Vince's HOF. There are certainly people in there that would be in any HOF, and some that wouldn't. Overall, I am prouder of both myself and both versions of the Midnight Express being in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame, because in that one, you are actually VOTED in by people in and around the sport.
Long post, thus spoilerized. Jim Cornette is simply one of the most brilliant and insightful people in wrestling today.[/QUOTE]
IMO, he's correct on his assessment of ROH. Of the three companies it's the show I look forward to most each week (even though I have to watch it on YouTube).
Why do the people that make the most sense in wrestling pushed away by the big companies? I know why cause Vince doesn't like people who like for things to actually be logical.
Jillian still has a job cause Vince likes huge knockers I guess. I laugh now when I see her with Chavo.
Jillian still has a job cause Vince likes huge knockers I guess. I laugh now when I see her with Chavo.
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I think it's easy to push Cornette off because he's "Southern" and the Vinces (Russo/McMahon) are sophisticated New Yorkers with sophisticated tastes. You know how much disdain McMahon has for southerners based on the Billionaire Ted sketches, copious use of the word "rasslin," and things of that nature. Dude's Connecticut money, you know he looks down his nose at the south.
And Cornette's style is def. tied to 1980's NWA. But while there's some 2-decade old southern mold to scrape off the surface, there is brilliant insight and planning underneath. Which is more than I can say for Russo, who single handedly makes me uninterested in a product I should be interested in (based on the roster alone).
But Jerry Jarrett, another relic of the southern style, had a great op-ed the other day lamenting how today's "wrestlers" rehearse every move in the ring in advance and memorize every line of script. So he's old and southern, but he's right when it comes to wrestlers not ad-libbing or interacting with the fans. Today's wrestlers act *at* the fans, not with them. Huge difference. They don't know how to deviate from the script, or are too scared of the office to. That's why the product lacks soul when you watch opening segments as awful as last nights. You're watching something worse than a dress rehearsal.
What Jarrett and Cornette lament is exactly what South Park lampooned last week. But it won't change anytime soon, that's for sure.
And Cornette's style is def. tied to 1980's NWA. But while there's some 2-decade old southern mold to scrape off the surface, there is brilliant insight and planning underneath. Which is more than I can say for Russo, who single handedly makes me uninterested in a product I should be interested in (based on the roster alone).
But Jerry Jarrett, another relic of the southern style, had a great op-ed the other day lamenting how today's "wrestlers" rehearse every move in the ring in advance and memorize every line of script. So he's old and southern, but he's right when it comes to wrestlers not ad-libbing or interacting with the fans. Today's wrestlers act *at* the fans, not with them. Huge difference. They don't know how to deviate from the script, or are too scared of the office to. That's why the product lacks soul when you watch opening segments as awful as last nights. You're watching something worse than a dress rehearsal.
What Jarrett and Cornette lament is exactly what South Park lampooned last week. But it won't change anytime soon, that's for sure.
Why do the people that make the most sense in wrestling pushed away by the big companies? I know why cause Vince doesn't like people who like for things to actually be logical.
Jillian still has a job cause Vince likes huge knockers I guess. I laugh now when I see her with Chavo.
Jillian still has a job cause Vince likes huge knockers I guess. I laugh now when I see her with Chavo.
[quote name='Scorch']lol @ Triple H ripping on Cole for saying "Vintage"[/QUOTE]
You know for somebody who doesn't read the internet at all, he sure is a smarky douche.
[quote name='mykevermin']Jim Cornette is simply one of the most brilliant and insightful people in wrestling today.[/QUOTE]
Not really. He's like Paul Heyman.
He is good at twisting reality to suit his needs (I guess nobody told him that Bruno refused to be inducted) and talking about the business...it's just too bad he can't execute it or make use of it.
Also he is a big whore for whoever will give him money. Rest assure that if Vince did offer him a job back, we would be hearing him talk about what a great job they are doing building new talent like CM Punk/Morrison/Kofi. If he was offered a spot in the Hall Of Fame, he would be giving a tear-filled speech about how honored he is to be inducted.
You know for somebody who doesn't read the internet at all, he sure is a smarky douche.
[quote name='mykevermin']Jim Cornette is simply one of the most brilliant and insightful people in wrestling today.[/QUOTE]
Not really. He's like Paul Heyman.
He is good at twisting reality to suit his needs (I guess nobody told him that Bruno refused to be inducted) and talking about the business...it's just too bad he can't execute it or make use of it.
Also he is a big whore for whoever will give him money. Rest assure that if Vince did offer him a job back, we would be hearing him talk about what a great job they are doing building new talent like CM Punk/Morrison/Kofi. If he was offered a spot in the Hall Of Fame, he would be giving a tear-filled speech about how honored he is to be inducted.
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[quote name='mykevermin']What Jarrett and Cornette lament is exactly what South Park lampooned last week. But it won't change anytime soon, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
Yes it will.
Yes it will.
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Sporadic, you're making the assumption that the face those people wear behind the scenes is the same face they wear when making public statements while being employed.
Which is absurd. Jim Ross's blog always paints a rosy picture of WWE, and Cornette always spoke highly of TNA when he worked there, like Heyman did WWE when he worked there.
But if you think those kinds of stubborn motherers just smiled and said "Yes sir, Mr McMahon"/"Whatever you want, Ms. Carter"/"Anything for you, Vince Russo" behind the scenes, you're out of your mind. If they were such "company men," they would still be employed in WWE and TNA (to be fair, I think Jim Ross is less of a hothead than either Heyman or Cornette, which adds to his saving grace). Corporations love yes men, which is why those two are doing different gigs now.
But there's an enormous difference between the public face one wears while they work for a company and how they actually do their work behind the scenes. Don't conflate the two things. You're making a logical error by confusing those two things and making WWE and TNA the victim of Cornette - which is quite silly.
DDP recently did an interview where he buried WWE, Undertaker, and himself for the "stalker" angle with Missus Taker. He criticized WWE, but he also did it in the most diplomatic way possible, accepting his own responsibility for going along. But he also admits he was deeply misused by WWE. So not everyone has to be a vitriolic asshole like Cornette about it, no.
Which is absurd. Jim Ross's blog always paints a rosy picture of WWE, and Cornette always spoke highly of TNA when he worked there, like Heyman did WWE when he worked there.
But if you think those kinds of stubborn mother
ers just smiled and said "Yes sir, Mr McMahon"/"Whatever you want, Ms. Carter"/"Anything for you, Vince Russo" behind the scenes, you're out of your mind. If they were such "company men," they would still be employed in WWE and TNA (to be fair, I think Jim Ross is less of a hothead than either Heyman or Cornette, which adds to his saving grace). Corporations love yes men, which is why those two are doing different gigs now.But there's an enormous difference between the public face one wears while they work for a company and how they actually do their work behind the scenes. Don't conflate the two things. You're making a logical error by confusing those two things and making WWE and TNA the victim of Cornette - which is quite silly.
DDP recently did an interview where he buried WWE, Undertaker, and himself for the "stalker" angle with Missus Taker. He criticized WWE, but he also did it in the most diplomatic way possible, accepting his own responsibility for going along. But he also admits he was deeply misused by WWE. So not everyone has to be a vitriolic asshole like Cornette about it, no.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Sporadic, you're making the assumption that the face those people wear behind the scenes is the same face they wear when making public statements while being employed.
Which is absurd. Jim Ross's blog always paints a rosy picture of WWE, and Cornette always spoke highly of TNA when he worked there, like Heyman did WWE when he worked there.
But if you think those kinds of stubborn motherers just smiled and said "Yes sir, Mr McMahon"/"Whatever you want, Ms. Carter"/"Anything for you, Vince Russo" behind the scenes, you're out of your mind. If they were such "company men," they would still be employed in WWE and TNA (to be fair, I think Jim Ross is less of a hothead than either Heyman or Cornette, which adds to his saving grace). Corporations love yes men, which is why those two are doing different gigs now.
But there's an enormous difference between the public face one wears while they work for a company and how they actually do their work behind the scenes. Don't conflate the two things. You're making a logical error by confusing those two things and making WWE and TNA the victim of Cornette - which is quite silly.
DDP recently did an interview where he buried WWE, Undertaker, and himself for the "stalker" angle with Missus Taker. He criticized WWE, but he also did it in the most diplomatic way possible, accepting his own responsibility for going along. But he also admits he was deeply misused by WWE. So not everyone has to be a vitriolic asshole like Cornette about it, no.[/QUOTE]
But here's the difference.
Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have both shown dissent while on the payroll. Jim Ross isn't a 100% company man on his blog and Paul Heyman was actually apologizing to people in the front row at the disaster known as December to Dismember (which lead to him leaving the company the next day)
Cornette was in TNA for what 3 years? Everything he rants about, TNA was doing during his time there. He didn't say one word about it while he was getting a paycheck. Now that he's no longer employed there, it's all of the sudden fair game.
Which is my biggest problem with Cornette. His opinion seems to sway with wherever his paycheck is coming from.
I have a feeling if the people running CZW hit the lottery and paid Jim Cornette $$$ to be the booker, he would be in the media talking about how the WWE wishes they could be as extreme as CZW and how that would be the future of wrestling. :lol:
Now, that's not saying that Jim should have been in the media trashing TNA while on the payroll but somebody should tell him about not throwing stones while living in a glass house. Even Heyman was smart enough to be hesitant with his praise while talking about the ECW relaunch later on while he was on with the WWE.
Which is absurd. Jim Ross's blog always paints a rosy picture of WWE, and Cornette always spoke highly of TNA when he worked there, like Heyman did WWE when he worked there.
But if you think those kinds of stubborn mother
ers just smiled and said "Yes sir, Mr McMahon"/"Whatever you want, Ms. Carter"/"Anything for you, Vince Russo" behind the scenes, you're out of your mind. If they were such "company men," they would still be employed in WWE and TNA (to be fair, I think Jim Ross is less of a hothead than either Heyman or Cornette, which adds to his saving grace). Corporations love yes men, which is why those two are doing different gigs now.But there's an enormous difference between the public face one wears while they work for a company and how they actually do their work behind the scenes. Don't conflate the two things. You're making a logical error by confusing those two things and making WWE and TNA the victim of Cornette - which is quite silly.
DDP recently did an interview where he buried WWE, Undertaker, and himself for the "stalker" angle with Missus Taker. He criticized WWE, but he also did it in the most diplomatic way possible, accepting his own responsibility for going along. But he also admits he was deeply misused by WWE. So not everyone has to be a vitriolic asshole like Cornette about it, no.[/QUOTE]
But here's the difference.
Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have both shown dissent while on the payroll. Jim Ross isn't a 100% company man on his blog and Paul Heyman was actually apologizing to people in the front row at the disaster known as December to Dismember (which lead to him leaving the company the next day)
Cornette was in TNA for what 3 years? Everything he rants about, TNA was doing during his time there. He didn't say one word about it while he was getting a paycheck. Now that he's no longer employed there, it's all of the sudden fair game.
Which is my biggest problem with Cornette. His opinion seems to sway with wherever his paycheck is coming from.
I have a feeling if the people running CZW hit the lottery and paid Jim Cornette $$$ to be the booker, he would be in the media talking about how the WWE wishes they could be as extreme as CZW and how that would be the future of wrestling. :lol:
Now, that's not saying that Jim should have been in the media trashing TNA while on the payroll but somebody should tell him about not throwing stones while living in a glass house. Even Heyman was smart enough to be hesitant with his praise while talking about the ECW relaunch later on while he was on with the WWE.
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[quote name='Sporadic']But here's the difference.
Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have both shown dissent while on the payroll. Jim Ross isn't a 100% company man on his blog and Paul Heyman was actually apologizing to people in the front row at the disaster known as December to Dismember (which lead to him leaving the company the next day)
Cornette was in TNA for what 3 years? Everything he rants about, TNA was doing during his time there. He didn't say one word about it while he was getting a paycheck. Now that he's no longer employed there, it's all of the sudden fair game.
Which is my biggest problem with Cornette. His opinion seems to sway with wherever his paycheck is coming from.
I have a feeling if the people running CZW hit the lottery and paid Jim Cornette $$$ to be the booker, he would be in the media talking about how the WWE wishes they could be as extreme as CZW and how that would be the future of wrestling. :lol:
Now, that's not saying that Jim should have been in the media trashing TNA while on the payroll but somebody should tell him about not throwing stones while living in a glass house. Even Heyman was smart enough to be hesitant with his praise while talking about the ECW relaunch later on while he was on with the WWE.[/QUOTE]
Cornette was trying to play nice with Russo. He turned in his resignation at once when he first heard Russo was coming in but Jarrett soothed things over saying that this time things would be different. He was legitimately trying to make things work and make the best of a bad situation which is why I personally believe he didn't throw a shit fest.
Once Jarrett was out of the picture however, there was no middle man to sooth things over and basically Cornette was shoved out of the picture. In fact, TNA let loose a bullshit story about Cornette physically attacking Russo which is why they fired him and TNA had to go back and acknowledge the story was false.
I think guys like Cornette are at a point where they're thinking about their legacy and they're just trying to give back to the business through the talent available to them. I think he genuinely loves the business and although he may be a little old school, he basically said it to the drama with Russo and the shitty creative direction, and did the best he could to improve the talent available to him. It's also truth that he did argue with Russo from time to time backstage even if nothing was being said publicly. It's not like he was a yes man behind the scenes, but at the same time he couldn't shit on the hand of the woman paying his bills either.
The reason I personally believe we didn't hear anything until now is because the guy was genuinely trying to be diplomatic. Nothing more.
Jim Ross and Paul Heyman have both shown dissent while on the payroll. Jim Ross isn't a 100% company man on his blog and Paul Heyman was actually apologizing to people in the front row at the disaster known as December to Dismember (which lead to him leaving the company the next day)
Cornette was in TNA for what 3 years? Everything he rants about, TNA was doing during his time there. He didn't say one word about it while he was getting a paycheck. Now that he's no longer employed there, it's all of the sudden fair game.
Which is my biggest problem with Cornette. His opinion seems to sway with wherever his paycheck is coming from.
I have a feeling if the people running CZW hit the lottery and paid Jim Cornette $$$ to be the booker, he would be in the media talking about how the WWE wishes they could be as extreme as CZW and how that would be the future of wrestling. :lol:
Now, that's not saying that Jim should have been in the media trashing TNA while on the payroll but somebody should tell him about not throwing stones while living in a glass house. Even Heyman was smart enough to be hesitant with his praise while talking about the ECW relaunch later on while he was on with the WWE.[/QUOTE]
Cornette was trying to play nice with Russo. He turned in his resignation at once when he first heard Russo was coming in but Jarrett soothed things over saying that this time things would be different. He was legitimately trying to make things work and make the best of a bad situation which is why I personally believe he didn't throw a shit fest.
Once Jarrett was out of the picture however, there was no middle man to sooth things over and basically Cornette was shoved out of the picture. In fact, TNA let loose a bullshit story about Cornette physically attacking Russo which is why they fired him and TNA had to go back and acknowledge the story was false.
I think guys like Cornette are at a point where they're thinking about their legacy and they're just trying to give back to the business through the talent available to them. I think he genuinely loves the business and although he may be a little old school, he basically said
it to the drama with Russo and the shitty creative direction, and did the best he could to improve the talent available to him. It's also truth that he did argue with Russo from time to time backstage even if nothing was being said publicly. It's not like he was a yes man behind the scenes, but at the same time he couldn't shit on the hand of the woman paying his bills either.The reason I personally believe we didn't hear anything until now is because the guy was genuinely trying to be diplomatic. Nothing more.
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The '87 Survivor Series is streaming here. The tag-team elimination match is happening now, featuring TEN actual teams. It's amazing to see how little the tag division means now.
[quote name='pitfallharry219']http://www.justin.tv/rko1984
The '87 Survivor Series is streaming here. The tag-team elimination match is happening now, featuring TEN actual teams. It's amazing to see how little the tag division means now.[/QUOTE]
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The '87 Survivor Series is streaming here. The tag-team elimination match is happening now, featuring TEN actual teams. It's amazing to see how little the tag division means now.[/QUOTE]
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