The Joey Styles' Punch-Out!! Pro-Wrestling thread

[quote name='Chase']Oh gosh, don't remind me about my nerdiness. I was stuck in upper-mid-card hell during my days in ICWF back in 1998 to 1999.

You elite, World title holding, main event Triple Hs holding us down.

;)
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:rofl: I actually won one of my world titles with a Pedigree on a steel chair.
 
I have a picture somewhere of me holding one of the U.S. tag belts over my shoulder while standing between the Steiners when I was a kid. Obviously, this makes me an honorary Main Event Mafia member.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']New SmackDown Superstar Kizarny has already got out on the wrong foot as key people in WWE have soured on him. Add Kizarny to the list of people John Laurinaitis has heat on him for backing. Kizarny had matches with MVP at WWE's live events last week where MVP was booked to take the whole match and then do a fluke loss to keep his losing streak alive. It was described internally as the perfect example of having someone win and bury him at the same time.[/QUOTE]

I guess I don't get why they're sour on him, but nonetheless, I must ask: Is Johnny Ace the only one watching the "developmental territories?" I mean, surely not EVERYONE would be surprised, yes?

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I got a crazy booking scenario in my head, since Botchtista's not in for WM anymore.

JBL's got his World Title shot at the Rumble, thanks to Michaels. Michaels is now free to enter the rumble, and will subsequently win. (JBL loses to Cena.) JBL is content to let Michaels have the match at WM and do all the hard work (after all, we got a taste of that on Monday). Michaels actually wins this time, in contrast to WM 23(?) where Cena went over. Then, the next night, JBL orders Michaels to give up the title (Think Andre/DiBiase 25 years ago), except Michaels gives JBL the finger, leading to a feud that goes through Backlash and culminates at Judgement Day, or Night of Champions. It could end with a title vs. Career match, with either career (or both) on the line. I actually wouldn't care who won. :p

No, none of this will actually happen, as feud buildup and feud blowoff seems to go at a rapid-fire pace. Thanks, Russo! Crash TV for the WIN!
 
Burchill switched his ring gear from 1998 Triple to 2001 Triple H that's something of a good sign. Now they just have to have him settle on a finisher, not that the curb stomp is bad, but the only move of his they ever hyped otherwise was his "twisted sister" neckbreaker, which would make Cole cream in his pants everytime he got to talk about the name of the move.

I think they'll push Burchill to at least contend for Matt's title at some point though, since his choices for opponents are running rather slim
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']He isn't the least bit over and lost to a B-rate Alex Wright...he's not going anywhere near the ECW Title. Tony Atlas has a better chance of holding it than Burchill.[/quote]

Alex Wright is in the WWE??!?!? The German dancing guy? Damn. I need to start watching again.
 
[quote name='Halo05']:rofl: I actually won one of my world titles with a Pedigree on a steel chair.[/quote]


What an eerie coinky-dink. I kept losing to a guy named Gillespie, whose finishing move, the G-Spot, was a pedigree! :cold:

[quote name='neocisco']I have a picture somewhere of me holding one of the U.S. tag belts over my shoulder while standing between the Steiners when I was a kid. Obviously, this makes me an honorary Main Event Mafia member.[/quote]


I have pictures of myself as a young kid holding that black, hard plastic with cheap pleather straps World Heavyweight championship belt WWE put out in the early 1990s. So I guess that makes me an honorary member of that-group-in-TNA-with-those-guys-and-Scott-Steiner. ;)
 
[quote name='diddy310']Basically, except English, and built like Chris Masters with a hot valet.[/quote]

Lame..

I once ate 100 wings.. I guess you can say I won the Winged Eagle. :D hah. hah.. hah...

:cry:
 
[quote name='Chase']I have pictures of myself as a young kid holding that black, hard plastic with cheap pleather straps World Heavyweight championship belt WWE put out in the early 1990s. So I guess that makes me an honorary member of that-group-in-TNA-with-those-guys-and-Scott-Steiner. ;)[/quote]

Yeah, but I was holding the REAL U.S. TAG BELT. Clearly it was foreshadowing for greatness to come.
*puffs up chest and raises gaze to the sky*
 
Anyone have any predictions for this year?

I predict:

A feud between the Hardys
MVP still won't be pushed to the top
JR goes back to Raw
Jake Roberts will see 2010
Chyna won't see 2010
A major WWE star will end up in TNA, but it won't matter because TNA will still be clueless
 
I'll predict jumps instead.

From TNA to WWE:
Christian Cage (yeah, yeah)
Kurt Angle
Jay Lethal
Matt Morgan
Team 3D (the least likely, but still possible)

From WWE to TNA:
Carlito
Hawkins/Ryder
Mr Kennedy
Manu
Mike Knox

From either to ROH:
Scott Goldman
Jimmy Wang
Paul Birchall
D'Lo Brown
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Lame..

I once ate 100 wings.. I guess you can say I won the Winged Eagle. :D hah. hah.. hah...

:cry:[/quote]


You'll always be a champion in my heart. ;)

[quote name='neocisco']Yeah, but I was holding the REAL U.S. TAG BELT. Clearly it was foreshadowing for greatness to come.
*puffs up chest and raises gaze to the sky*[/quote]


Oh yeah? Well... well... *cries*

[quote name='pitfallharry219']Anyone have any predictions for this year?[/quote]


Very plausible predictions, Harry and Myke. :whistle2:k

I'll state some outrageous ones just to balance things out. ;)

- Jeff Hardy will be released after 'striking out'
- TNA will replace Don West
- Santino will vanish, return repackaged, fail, then be released
- Jack Swagger (whose face is the third definition under 'creepy') will be moved to SmackDown and become United States champion
- Mr. Kennedy will be released after sustaining another injury
- Shawn Michaels will shave his head and grow a beard
- John Cena will leave pro-wrestling
- Rey Jr. will retire
- TNA will change their strategy from WWE-lite to ROH with pyro
- Vince McMahon will die

:hot:
 
I can kind of see Vince dying but I think DW will probably live forever...

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It seems like a different youtube user. Up until #50, it was "maffew" - and now it's "maffewofbotchamania."

They're not as good, but still some fun to watch.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Anyone have any predictions for this year?

I predict:

A feud between the Hardys
MVP still won't be pushed to the top
JR goes back to Raw
Jake Roberts will see 2010
Chyna won't see 2010
A major WWE star will end up in TNA, but it won't matter because TNA will still be clueless[/quote]

MVP/Shelton will continue to be shat on.
HBK will not be champion but again used to turn someone mega heel.
Trips and JR move back to RAW.
Batista will move to SD finish out the year and retire.
Undertaker will not lose at WM.
TNA will still fuck themselves
Christopher Daniels will not come back as Christopher Daniels
Mizorrison will split
Christian will have an awesome return but the be overshadowed by Edge
 
Sure, 2009 predictions, why not...

Sadly i'm going to agree on Chyna not making it to 2010
Same with Kennedy being released, although I made that prediction last time he got injured

Jeff Hardy (much to everyones suprise) stays clean through 2009
Randy Orton wins the Royal Rumble and goes to face Triple H instead of Cena

To WWE
Kurt Angle (after exhausting all possible matches in TNA & not being offered the right money for an MMA fight)
Christian - e&c versus hardys part 2
Kevin Nash - not sure about hiw TNA contract, but i could see him going for his final run in WWE - ending with a match against Shawn Michaels
Gail Kim - feuds with Beth Phoenix
Angelina Love and/or Velvet Sky - TNA will not offer them anymore than they are getting now despite garnering good ratings, WWE will end up with one or both.

To TNA:
Elijah Burke
Hurricane Helms
Kennedy
Brian Kendrick - after the next wellness violation (DJ Gabriel or Ricky Ortiz) and bit of media scrutiny, his 23rd pot violation will get him fired. (Ezekiel Jackson is kept by WWE, as Vince looks at him and sees Bad News Brown 2k9)
Santino - Probably around september
Kevin Thorn -

Released/sent back to developmental
Ricky Ortiz
Manu
Ryan Braddock
Scotty Goldman
Jesse/Festus
Bella Twins

Feuds
Edge & Christian vs. Hardys through the draft, where E&C will be separated, and Edge goes to Raw.

Undertaker/Triple H World Title feud over the summer through Summerslam culminating in HIAC

Chris Jericho starts carrying around the undisputed championship belt and declares that he is still the champion (to go along with that current rumor of a 3rd world championship that could go across every brand). Anything to devalue the spinner

The Tag Team championships will be unified by Miz & Morrison & Maryse will start managing them.

Regal will have or be in contention for the IC title for the majority of the year

Batista, The Great Khali and Victoria retire
 
I watched The Wrestler tonight.. pretty good film, I think you guys will enjoy it for sure. Lots of wrestler cameos too. Necro Butcher had a decent amount of screen time, Ron Killings had a bit as well. CZW and ROH are featured. Oh yeah, also Ernest "The Cat" Miller is his arch rival.
 
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Take the movie aspect away and it sounds like an awful indy show. I bet I know what Ernest Miller did when he found out he got the part...
 
Kizarny's debut didnt start out too well. I feel like they should give him a Rob Zombie like edge to his character and dump the circus fanfare music (Hell they could even trot out the old Evil Doink music for him)

He got a good pretty good reaction for his finisher though, a rolling double arm DDT
 
[quote name='diddy310']Kizarny's debut didnt start out too well. I feel like they should give him a Rob Zombie like edge to his character and dump the circus fanfare music (Hell they could even trot out the old Evil Doink music for him)

He got a good pretty good reaction for his finisher though, a rolling double arm DDT[/quote]


Kizarny is one of the stupidest gimmicks I have seen in years. He's like a cross between Chris Jericho (the Ralphus years) and "Pirate" Paul Burchill in look, with a bastardized Doink feel about him and his music. They need to scrap the gimmick entirely. Last time I saw something this awkward was Beaver Cleavage in the attitude days.
 
So did I miss anything the first hour of SD?

I'd ask if I missed anything of note with TNA last night but...you know.

EDIT: did anyone catch the guy in the ROH hoodie in the crowd?
 
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All awkwardness over Kizarny was alleviated when we saw Kennedy's super white beard that appears to come out of his mouth
 
Harry Waxman (D-CA) published a report yesterday stating his committee review of wrestling companies' drug policies. Wading through the text, here's the important stuff:

In response to concerns about this incident, the Committee wrote to the WWE, Total Nonstop Action, and other professional wrestling organizations requesting information on their steroid policies and their knowledge of steroid abuse within their organizations. The Committee also conducted transcribed interviews with WWE Chairman Vince McMahon and other professional wrestling officials.

The documents produced to the Committee, and the information provided during interviews, indicate that steroid use is pervasive in professional wrestling and that the organizations involved have not taken adequate steps to address this problem. The information
reviewed by the Committee shows:

- In the first year of the WWE's testing program, which began in March 2006, 40% of wrestlers tested positive for steroids and other drugs even after being warned in advance that they were going to be tested.

- Six months after the WWE announced its 2006 steroid testing policy, it relaxed the policy to allow wrestlers suspended for steroid abuse to participate in "selected televised events"
and "pay-per-views."

- The WWE hired four of five wrestlers who tested positive for steroids in "pre-contract" testing conducted in 2007 and 2008.

- The WWE regularly approved "therapeutic use exemptions," explicitly allowing the use of steroids as part of a "testosterone replacement acceptance ptogtam" for wrestlers who abused steroids in the past.

- Test results from the 'WWE's top competitor, Total Nonstop Action' Wrestling, reveal that a large proportion of TNA wrestlers have also tested positive and that there are significant weaknesses in the TNA testing program.
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More specifically,

In March 2006, Mr. McMahon reinstituted the steroids testing program after press reports suggested that the death of popular WWE wrestler Eddie Guerrero four months earlier was linked to steroid abuse.' Under the new WWE policy, the first series of tests were considered "baseline tests." 'Wrestlers were informed in advance that they would be tested and that no penalties would be imposed. The documents produced to the Committee indicate that 75 of the 186 wrestlerc (40%) tested positive for steroids or other drugs.

...

The drug policy was weakened when Mr. McMahon allowed wrestlers to perform even in cases where they had been suspended as a result of positive drug tests. On August 21, 2006, the WWE issued an amendment to the substance abuse policy stating that the WWE "may, at its discretion, schedule the Talent to work selected televised events without pay and pay-per-views with pay during the 30 day suspension period."

...


On September 24,2007 , the Committee staff conducted an interview with Dr. Tracy Ray, a physician with Andrews Sports Medicine and Orthopedic Center who is under contract with the WWE as the "medical review officer" for the WWE's steroid testing program. During his interview, Dr. Ray discussed the WWE's policy for "therapeutic use exemptions" to allow wrestlers to continue performing while using steroids. Dr. Ray informed the Committee that he is not a trained endocrinologist. He also stated that he does not examine wrestlers, discuss their medical conditions with their doctors, or conduct detailed reviews of their medical conditions before granting therapeutic use exemptions. According to the documents produced to the Committee, Dr. Ray approved seven therapeutic use exemptions since 2006. Dr. Ray informed the Committee that there was "shadiness in almost every case that I've reviewed."

Dr. Black, the WWE's program administrator for the steroid testing program, described these therapeutic use exemptions as "a testosterone replacement acceptance program." He indicated that this policy allows wrestlers who have damaged their endocrine system through the abuse of anabolic steroids to continue using these drugs.

On December 14, 2007, the Committee interviewed Vince McMahon, the Chairman of the WWE and one of its most well-known performers, Mr. McMahon has admitted to using steroids in the past. He refused to answer questions from the Committee, however, about his personal steroid use.' Mr. McMahon informed the Committee that even though he continues to perform in wrestling events, he is not subject to the WWE substance abuse policy, including its drug testing provisions.

During his interview, Mr. McMahon was asked whether he knew if there are health risks from steroid use, including long-term risks. He responded: "I'm not a doctor. I don't know." When asked what he would tell wrestlers who asked about potential health risks, he answered: "I don't know if there are really any long-term effects of stèroid usage." When asked whether steroids could cause impairment and risks to wrestlers and others in the ring, Mr. McMahon indicated that he had never considered the question."
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And, down south in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling:

The Committee also obtained documents relating to the steroids policies and testing practices of the WWE's top competitor, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) According to the documents, the TNA conducted baseline steroid testing of its wrestlers starting in January 2008. The documents provided to the Committee indicate that, despite having advance warning of these tests, 15 of 60 wrestlers (25%), tested positive for steroids. An additional 11 wrestlers tested positive for other drugs.

Eight months later, in August 2008, the TNA issued a drug and alcohol abuse policy that includes random testing, although it fails to explain the protocol for selecting wrestlers who will be tested or provide information about how samples will be collected.
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Anyone, and I mean *ANYONE* who thinks that everyone in pro wrestling isn't on steroids, even currently, is deluded. Though it's funny that Vince is exempted from the testing. Funny how that works out.
 
I'd say about 97-98% of current wrestlers are either using or have used within the last 2 years. There are probably a few exceptions who are legitimately clean, build-types like Jimmy Rave, C.M. Punk, etc. Personally, I look forward to the next big scandal (hopefully not involving a death, though). For a business to make the same mistakes over and over and just not learn from them, it deserves to take a major hit.

[quote name='diddy310']Well Matt Morgan and Sonjay Dutt immediately spring to mind for TNA[/quote]

Dutt has been looking particularly jacked in the last couple of months. Morgan is actually smaller now than he was in his WWE run but that probably just means less steroids instead of none at all.

Add Petey Williams to that list as well.
 
[quote name='neocisco']I'd say about 97-98% of current wrestlers are either using or have used within the last 2 years. [/quote]


I think that estimate is a little high. I'd say 70%-75% have tried some performance-enhancing drug in that timeframe (whether it be steroids, HGH, or amphetamines).

To be honest though, who knows anymore? I mean, didn't Festus and Umaga get a Wellness violation? They hardly look roided up at all.

I wonder what some of the women are on. I doubt any are on muscle builders, but it wasn't long ago where McCool had an elevated liver enzyme issue so who knows about that either.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I wonder what some of the women are on. I doubt any are on muscle builders, but it wasn't long ago where McCool had an elevated liver enzyme issue so who knows about that either.[/quote]

Usually the result of alcoholism. :\
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I think that estimate is a little high. I'd say 70%-75% have tried some performance-enhancing drug in that timeframe (whether it be steroids, HGH, or amphetamines).

To be honest though, who knows anymore? I mean, didn't Festus and Umaga get a Wellness violation? They hardly look roided up at all.

I wonder what some of the women are on. I doubt any are on muscle builders, but it wasn't long ago where McCool had an elevated liver enzyme issue so who knows about that either.[/quote]

Bobby Lashley and Khali were also held off shows for elevated liver enzymes too i believe

Non-steroid anti inflammatory's can also cause that, which is what i'm guessing it was for at least Michelle
 
[quote name='diddy310']Bobby Lashley and Khali were also held off shows for elevated liver enzymes too i believe[/quote]

You can add Matt Hardy to that list also.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']FYI Universal HD is rerunning this week's RAW right now.[/quote]


Thanks! I actually have that channel. :D

Is this something they do all the time?
 
[quote name='diddy310']Stephanie McMahon's interview with government officials, actually a pretty interesting read as she goes pretty in-depth about day to day business, as well as issues like healthcare.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/64.html[/QUOTE]

Thanks, fascinating read, and full of the "we say one thing, and the review shows another" stuff. Steph says they didn't offer a developmental contract to a positive steroid pretest, and Waxman's review shows that, of 5 positive pretests, 4 were given developmental contracts.

On another note, can you imagine being told to lose weight by Stephanie McMahon? :shock:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Thanks! I actually have that channel. :D

Is this something they do all the time?[/QUOTE]

This is the first time I have noticed RAW reruns on Universal HD. This week's ECW is on after this as well followed by.... you guessed it... RAW.
 
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