It was dark and it was to his RING ANNOUNCER. While HHH being put over or focused at all is INSANE, this sort of make the crowd happy off camera stuff doesn't bother me.
In other news, Bryan can't cash in his briefcase for the title ADR has anyway. His is the SMACKDOWN! MITB case and can only be cased in on the WWE World Title.
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Heh, now I can see why you guys think I'm retarded. Sorry, I completely read the second spoiler incorrectly. I thought he pedigreed Del Rio.
[quote name='Halo05']Thanks for the indy clips Guyver. Neither guy looked too terrible given their ages. Yeah, Tatanka is pretty fat but he isn't Buddy Rose fat. He obviously still lifts, he just isn't in his 20s/30s anymore.
As far as S2H goes, if he ditched the gimmick, I think he could reinvent himself. I don't think it would happen in any big fed but he could rule some indy as their wily veteran champion. Maybe sort of a Bob Holly bully thing going on because of bitterness towards the WWE.
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No prob. Yea Tatanka has the belly going on but he lives in the gym. Great freaking guy and one of my faves.
Scotty actually looks great. Hes got a new tan look going and is also super nice.
You're telling me in the 12 years they've been making these games, they still can't make it look like the guys are actually holding the belt, the ropes, or grabbing their opponents for moves? I realize it's a minor complaint but it's always bugged the hell out of me seeing an object floating a foot away from the character's hands.
[quote name='Genocidal']You're telling me in the 12 years they've been making these games, they still can't make it look like the guys are actually holding the belt, the ropes, or grabbing their opponents for moves? I realize it's a minor complaint but it's always bugged the hell out of me seeing an object floating a foot away from the character's hands.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that making them able to actually "grab" those things would mean they'd need to be static and thus would up the collision detection, and the animations would mean the ropes would go "through" their hand when they grabbed for it, instead of like now where they get near each other and then separate.
[quote name='Genocidal']You're telling me in the 12 years they've been making these games, they still can't make it look like the guys are actually holding the belt, the ropes, or grabbing their opponents for moves? I realize it's a minor complaint but it's always bugged the hell out of me seeing an object floating a foot away from the character's hands.[/QUOTE]
STFU, man.
DEMOLITION.
As long as the vests don't cling to the wrestlers like an additional layer of flesh, then that will be a huge improvement.
But let's be real: these aren't the kind of programmers who are hired to do Gears of War or Killzone or somesuch. I agree that it would be nice to see them hold something (chairs, belts, ladders) unlike a wounded war veteran in physical therapy - but Yuke's aint exactly Polyphony Digital.
Man, the Briscoes are so awesome. They're so ing legit it drives me nuts to hear them talk. The last video wire, with them not wearing shirts in their yard, drinking tallboys of natty ice? that is ing so brilliant, accidentally or otherwise.
I think the best iteration involved Sal E Graziano and Little Guido. Loved the big man/little man combo. Like that one character(s) from the King of Fighters series.
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, him and "Godfather" Tommy Rich.
Wasn't JT Smith in the group, too?
I think the best iteration involved Sal E Graziano and Little Guido. Loved the big man/little man combo. Like that one character(s) from the King of Fighters series.[/QUOTE]
Ahhh.. the Dueling "Where's my Pizza?" and "Sal E ate it!" chants.. good stuff. Yeah when Guido became the de facto leader of the F.B.I was near the end of ECW. Then they added Tony Mamaluke and they were a nice team to feud with Doring/Roadkill and Tajri/Whipwreck. Even at the end ECW was better than WCW at the time.
Cornette booking the invasion was awful. it was like the worst of the worst IWC bookers.
"and then ric flair comes out, and then undertaker comes out, and then, and then..."
there were some good ideas in there, but it's largely silly stuff. he made a few good general points (e.g., "who needs enemies when my friend has to wait for his entrance music to play before saving me from an ass kicking?"), but largely really bad stuff. he is, as always, a trip to listen to.
[quote name='mykevermin']Cornette booking the invasion was awful. it was like the worst of the worst IWC bookers.
"and then ric flair comes out, and then undertaker comes out, and then, and then..."
there were some good ideas in there, but it's largely silly stuff. he made a few good general points (e.g., "who needs enemies when my friend has to wait for his entrance music to play before saving me from an ass kicking?"), but largely really bad stuff. he is, as always, a trip to listen to.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't seem any worse than what the WWE actually did with it.
Edit: Nevermind. He just got to the "Code Suspended" part. You're completely right.
So UFC is going to broadcast The Ultimate Fighter live format on Friday nights in the Spring of 2012 on FX. directly competing with Smackdown. Now WWE is airing a live Smackdown Tuesday, August 30 and people are speculating that WWE is useing it as a test to try a new night as not to compete directly with UFC... that doesn't sound very McMahon like.
EDIT: There's nothing like reading a WWE press release to really get you aggravated. Seeing ™ after every wrestlers' name really feels like a kick in the dick.
Lisa Wright, who is the program director of the national non-profit organization Council for Unity, wrote a letter to the Be A Star Alliance questioning their affiliation with WWE after receiving an e-mail concerning the "fat jokes" being directed towards performer Vickie Guerrero on television. She asks how the anti-bullying organization's partnership with WWE fits their mission to show tolerance and respect since professional wrestling consists of name calling and threats culminating in violence.
Her statement reads: "I recently received an e-mail regarding your alliance with the WWE. The e-mail pointed out the "fat jokes" about Vickie Guerrero. Wrestling as I perceive it consists of name calling and threats culminating in violence to settle conflicts. How does this fit with your mission to `Show Tolerance and Respect?' Are you saying this behavior is alright for entertainment value? As an employee of a member organization listed on your website, your questionable judgment reflects poorly, not only on you, but on all the organizations listed there.
"As an organization whose mission is to prevent violence and bullying, we must be careful who we partner with and what messages that partnership sends. As we look for funding, ways to market our mission, and new partnerships, we must remain aware of the cultural forces that impact those that we serve. Furthermore, we must be sensitive not to promote the very negative behaviors that we have spent our professional lives trying to prevent. I fail to see how an alliance with the WWE will do that. We must be aware that in our business, as in life, actions speak louder than words. The WWE may, in principal, be against bullying and the violence that so often accompanies it, however, the very nature of the business is not conducive to a culture of inclusion and peace that we here at the Council for Unity seek to create. To that end, we respectfully request the removal or our organization from your web site."
WWE and The Creative Coalition teamed up for a party centered around SummerSlam and the "Be A Star" initiative last Thursday in Los Angeles, California promoting anti-bullying. Contrary to the campaign, Jerry Lawler made jokes concerning Guerrero's weight days later on Raw while she occupied the announce booth for a segment.
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']So UFC is going to broadcast The Ultimate Fighter live format on Friday nights in the Spring of 2012 on FX. directly competing with Smackdown. Now WWE is airing a live Smackdown Tuesday, August 30 and people are speculating that WWE is useing it as a test to try a new night as not to compete directly with UFC... that doesn't sound very McMahon like.
That's probably what the topic of that meeting Dana White had with Vince at WWE HQ a few weeks ago. Just a friendly, by the way we're gonna bury your show, meeting.
According to Meltzer, the meeting wasn't about that. It could've had something to do with Brock being WWE '12 though. I doubt Dana would bury Vince to his face in any way - he knows that without Vince signing off on the Ultimate Fighter appearing on Spike in the first place, the UFC wouldn't have gotten as big as it has.
Impact thoughts -
Sting opening the show by taking a bunch of wacky bumps on the ramp was odd, but certainly not boring. Loved Flair's return, the promo, his chemistry with Sting...everything! These two are just amazing together, and I can't believe how much chemistry they still have - they bounce off each other really well. Could've done without the stupid Tenay VO, but everything else here was great. Then Hogan yelled at Flair, who once again was the ing man. HE'S 1500-1, MAYBE 1500-2 WITH STING. HE'S GOT HIS NUMBER! AND ABS, HOLY SHIT, HE'S READY! Also, he may or may not be on goofball bills. Hogan joked about that, but holy shit was he ever hyper. 15 minutes of pure fun in this show so far. Then they ran down the BFG Series, and for whatever reason, gave Devon a pre-match promo instead of Steiner. This went maybe two minutes, and ended in the same way the clip did of Bully Ray-Devon from a house show - with his foot on the ropes during a cradle. Weird and lazy. Then Joe cut an OMG HE'S SHOOTING promo about being held down...backstage, while guys are clearly heard taking bumps in the ring. Boy did this lack impact.
Speaking of which, all the X division guys came out for a gauntlet to the Impact theme, which might work as a show theme, but doesn't work for intros, and they all just got Tenay VO intro while Hemme's were clearly there but drowned out. LOLed at Haskins JUMPING to make a cover - like a NES wrestling game. Haskins beat Shelley with a GTS worse than the one Punk used to beat Cena at the PPV. Robbie and Cookie were back together for some reason. And it took more time to type that than it took for Haskins to beat him. Oh, and now the eliminations will count as the rankings for the title. Until they forget. Xion's stuff looks weird. Glad to see him out of here, even if Sorenson's version of Horshu's finisher didn't do much for me. Nese and Sorenson need better gear, because they looked the same - Nese looks like a more generic version of Drew McIntyre and Sorensen just wore bland red trunks.
Nese's Lionsault was impressive because he's so big. Kash came in...and the second he did, they went to commercial. When they came back, he did a front-to-back flip version of the BME, which looked good. Kash's Tiger Driver looked absolutely terrible - no impact at all, and while it was clearly done to make the cradle finish easier, it still came off bad. Dug Kash beating him up afterwards. Aries-Sorenson was fine for the story it told of a face trying to fight the odds. It at least set up Sorenson-Kash in the future, and sets up Aries-Sorenson after that if Aries wins the title. Then Aries and Kendrick brawled. Nash mentioned Punk looking like a Waffle House cook, but Kendrick's the one with the smock on. Aries was great, and this was certainly productive, but still came off as really rushed due to the super-short matches and seemed like pandering to say they're doing a lot, and will do a lot, but I'm thinking it'll still lead to basically nothing in the long run. It reminds me a lot of the late '00/early '01 attempt to make the cruiserweight title mean something again in WCW after only a few years of killing that division - this one has been killed for half a decade, including numerous times DURING this supposed resurrection of the division. It's better to do SOMETHING with them than nothing, but it'll take MONTHS of actually placing importance on the title and the division to do any kind of long-term good.
Tenay announced that MR. ANDERSON IS OUT OF ACTION INDEFINITELY WITH RUPTURED EARDRUMS. That's the best Immortal could do? Rupture the guy's eardrums? I hope they made him listen to his own promos to accomplish this goal. Then he quickly moved past that little thing to mention Beer Money facing Mex-Am for some reason for the titles. ODB and Jackie talked about ODB and Mickie having their first-ever match...despite ONCE AGAIN NOT HAVING A CONTRACT IN THE COMPANY. See, if she wins the match on TV, she'll get a contract...to wrestle on TV...Good God. This is ridiculous, as are ODB's implants. Then Traci re-applied to be the Knockout Law by jamming her tits into Bischoff's face.
Mickie-ODB started with Mickie coming out in a really hot denim-heavy wardrobe - I'm not sure why, but the short jacket and little hat were something else and Mickie look better than usual. The match itself was really good - ODB and Mickie worked great together. Dug the double nip-up spot and it taking two Mickie-Ts to win. They said before the match, that ODB had to win to get a contract, but she lost...so then she shouldn't appear on TV again, right? This wasn't as highlight-filled as the X division thing, but was better as an actual match. Then Winter talked about being aroused by holding the knockouts title and having an orgasm while drinking blood. There's a period joke in there somewhere. I'm not sure what was the best thing about this - that deal, her cleavage, or having the imaginary, interdimensional ghost say that Mickie doesn't live in the real world.
RVD-AJ was killed early on by the canned RVD-AJ chants going on a Milli Vanilli loop. Loved Taz putting both guys, and not just the ex-WWE guy over as international superstars. Then again, since it was Taz saying this and not Bischoff, I guess I shouldn't have been too shocked. Mr. JL came out to complain about the reffing, or wish that he was back to just using his initials again. Loved RVD selling getting AJ's knees in the stomach less than the usual selling of the five-star. Then Lynn came out and cost RVD the match. This just sucked. I'm pretty sure RVD-AJ was great before, but this never got a fair chance to get going due to all the other bullshit going on. Oh, and this made RVD have less points the Joe, the guy who couldn't buy a win.
Loved Flair going nuts. Didn't so much like Sting kicking Gunner's ass, even if he did say he'd be a star someday. Not with booking like this, buddy. This Flair-Sting big went on forever, and unlike the first thing, wasn't very fun to watch. EY mentioning Charles in Charge was funny and then they FINALLY revealed that next week, we get the EY-Baio deal. Crimson's selling of his knee while walking down the aisle was hilarious. The Crimson-Angle deal was weird. Crimson yelled a lot, put Angle over, who then buried him a bit too much by saying he was an uncoordinated green-ass. What that has to do with his on-air gimmick, I have no idea, but this didn't really help Crimson, who just yelled a bunch while feigning anger. Between this and Gunner being killed by Sting, I really lost faith in TNA pushing young guys ahead of the older crew. Then Anarchia cut a promo - holy shit was this ever not the way to try and get this show back on track.
Despite it now being 10:50 at this point, I was shocked to learn that Mex-Am vs. Beer Money was the main event. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED ONCE. Sure, they talked about the match, but never it being THE main event of the show. Or a main event, for that matter. And also, it's Mex-Am's last shot. Tenay got bleeped for mentioning AAA by name this week, which was fine last week, but they did blur the belt's logo. Jarrett was AWESOME on commentary - just hilarious. Oh, and Mexican America won thanks to Jeff's belt, but it was okay because Karen was trying to save her Mexican sister, Rosita. Funny commentary, but not much of a main event - the title win did come off as a bigger deal than usual thanks to Jeff celebrating and the big flag coming down too.
Screens -
ROUND 1 - FIGHT!
Quotes -
Sting - THAT’S PROOF I HAVEN’T LOST MY MIND! THAT’S A REENACTMENT OVER WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK! ONLY REASON I REMEMBER THAT MUCH IS CUZ I HAD TO WATCH IT BACK ON TAPE - OTHERWISE, IT’S ALL A BLUR. I remember the force I was hit with was so unbelievable I STILL CAN’T TALK. I remember that I was, well, nervous! I also remember THE FIRE IN HIS EYE and how awesome it was to have my rear end handed to me by the greatest of all-time, Hulk Hogan! IT WAS AWESOME. Make no mistake about it - THE HULKSTER STILL HAS THE EYE OF THE TIGER! I’m telling ya what, the 21 inch pythons kicked in! WE GOT SOMETHING IN COMMON - WE WANNA SEE THE HULKSTER BACK IN THE RING, RIGHT? I’m dying to see it! I ALMOST DIED LAST WEEK! I want it so bad that I think it’s appropriate now that we start the Hogan chant cuz I want him in the ring tonight! C’mon Hulkster! (Flair’s theme hits)
Tenay - IMMORTAL’S RIC FLAIR HAS RETURNED!
Flair - DID I Understand you to just call Hogan the greatest wrestler of all-time? We’ll visit that later - let’s talk about you. Do you realize that when they put the tag “icon” on you, you’re a special cat? YOU’RE AN ICON. And sometimes, people bug me when I’m gonna wrestle Sting again. I GOT NOTHING TO PROVE. I WRESTLED HIM 1500 TIMES. They say one more time! I KNOW YOU’LL SAY LET’S DO IT! DON’T SAY IT - LET’S DO IT! DON’T SAY IT! I wanna finish my thought! DON’T BE THE STINGER I KNOW - let me finish. Cuz I’m feeling the love - you’re the icon of this company and this business is my eyes. You’re healthy, strong, as much of a man as you were 20 years ago, and for me to get where I wanna go again, I gotta wrestle. Not beat you - WRESTLE ya. I wanna wrestle ya here! LEMME FINISH. But here’s the deal - as much as I’d like to - I’m tired of hearing your name. I beat you, you retire - NOT A PHONY ONE. YOU RETIRE! IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU LOSE, YOU’RE GONE! IF YOU BEAT ME, WHICH IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE, CUZ I’M THE NAAAATUURE BOY. I’LL SERVE YOU HOGAN ON A SILVER PLATTER, WITH GOD AS MY WITNESS. AND THAT’S GOD TALKING TO GOD!
(Obvious VO line)Tenay - OH I WONDER WHAT HOGAN THINKS OF THIS!
Flair - GIMME THE BEST OF STING, BUT DON’T KICK MY ASS - JUST YES OR NO!
Sting - Lemme ask the people - WHADYA THINK? YOU SMELL LIKE GARLIC, RIC, BUT I WANT THE MATCH! I ACCEPT YOUR OFFER!
Flair - WOO!
Hogan - WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!? WHERE HAVE YOU EBEN! FLAIR! ARE YOU ON GOOFBALL PILLS OR SOMETHING!? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT’S GOING ON?
Flair - I’M 1500-1 AND ONE, MAYBE 1500-2! CALM DOWN. WE’RE THE TWO GREATEST WRESTLERS WHO EVER LIVED!
Hogan - HE SHOULDN’T BE BREATHING - I UNLOADED ON HIM WITH EVERYTHING I HAD. HE SHOULD BE DEAD!
Flair - SO, HE’S A CAT WITH NINE LIVES, BUT HE HAS TEN! Where we going tonight? IN THE BUSINESS, YOU GOT SOME GUYS’ NUMBERS, AND SOMETIMES YOU DON’T - I HAVE HIS NUMBER!
Hogan - I’M DONE WITH HIM!
Flair - Did you not hear what I said? I BEAT HIM, HE’S GONE! CALIFORNIA, TX! I HAVE ABS! HOLY SHIT, I’M READY TO GO!
Hogan - You don’t wanna have a problem with me!
Flair - Calm down - I love you. WOO WOO WOO!
Morgan - THIS IS THE MOST BRUTAL I’VE EVER SEEN IN WRESTLING. As long as I’ve been in it.
Morgan - We’ve seen some guys excel and some guys buckle under pressure.
Joe - I TOLD EVERYBODY WHAT I’D DO! I SAID I’D TAKE HEADS, AND I DID! YOU WANT ME TO PLAY YOUR GAME?! I’M DONE PLAYING YOUR GAME. WHERE I COME FROM, WE RUN SHIT, WE DON’T GET RUN! IF YOU DESIGNED THIS TO TAKE ME DOWN, I’LL TAKE YOU DOWN! I COLLECT KNEES, ARMS, AND SCALPS! I WON’T STOP UNTIL THE BFG SERIES STOPS! I SAID DON’T MESS WITH ME! DON’T POKE THE TIGER IN HIS CAGE! YA DID, AND YOU’LL DO NOTHING ABOUT IT! NONE OF YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO FIRE ME! THERE’S A STORM IN WRESTLING, AND YOU DON’T WANNA ADD THE THUNDER TO IT!
Aries - Hold on Christy, I JUST RAN THE GAUNTLET! A DOUBLE’S THE NUMBER 1 CONTENDER! My good friend ERIC BISCHOFF CALLED YOU THE WIZARD OF ODD, AND I’M MARCHING DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD AND TAKING YOUR TITLE! THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, BECAUSE I’M THE GREATEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED!
Flair - FIRST NIGHT BACK IN TNA! GOTTA TAPE UP FOR STING. Nah, I don’t need tape for Sting.
Tenay - BOTH OF MR. ANDERSON’S EARDRUMS HAVE BEEN RUPTURED! HE’LL BE OUT OF ACTION INDEFINITELY. Later, BEER MONEY DEFENDS AGAINST MEXICAN AMERICA!
Traci - A couple years ago, I was Knockout Law - I reffed some matches, and it could take the burden off you.
Eric - Excuse me, I’m hard of hearing. (Traci crams chest into his face)
Traci - I’D LIKE TO REAPPLY AS KNOCKOUT LAW!
Eric - Could be fun.
Taz - Mickie’s got the Daisy Dukes on - those are shorts, Mike.
Tenay - Thanks for the information.
ODB - BAM!
Taz - Big bammers!
Tenay - Attempt at the jumping DDT blocked by ODB.
Taz - Lotta letters.
Winter - The ecstasy I felt when I held this was almost sensual. I hope my one time lasts forever. The problem with Mickie is that she doesn’t live in the real world. Mickie calls herself a hardcore country - BUT THERE’S NOTHING HARDCORE ABOUT THAT SQUIRREL! This isn’t pop country - THIS IS ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT’S WINTER’S WORLD! IN WINTER’S WORLD, BLOOD MEANS TRUTH! Orgasmic.
(during RVD-AJ)Taz - Both of these men are international superstars, to say the least.
Lynn - HE HAD 3 ON ROLLING THUNDER!
Lynn - ROB, YOU HAD HIM ON ROLLING THUNDER! 3!
RVD - JUST LIKE THE OTHER DAY, I LOST LIKE A GAZILLION POINTS! LIVE EVENTS, TVS, AND I WAS IN…CONTENDERSHIP!
Flair - I GOT GIRLS TO MAKE SMILE AND GUYS TO DIRNK WITH! YOU AIN’T THE JOKER - YOU’RE STING! You wouldn’t hit me with a pipe - you’ve got more class than that. I NEVER LIKED THAT RAFTERS GIMMICK! I’M NOT CLIMBING A LADDER OR USE THE LORD’S NAME IN VAIN! YOU’RE PISSING ME OFF! IG OT BETTER THINGS TO DO IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA! I TOLD THE WORLD YOU’RE AN ICON AND NOW YOU’RE HIDING IN A WAREHOUSE! IT’S RIC FLAIR AND I WANNA SEE YA! Know what? THIS IS BULLSHIT! COME OUT AND FACE ME! I’m gonna count to five, and I’m at 4... YOU THINK I’M KIDDING RIGHT NOW!? THE BLUE MARTINI HAS A RESERVED TABLE FOR ME - WITH TEN CHICKS! NOTHING’S CHANGED IN MY LIFE, BROTHER!
Sting - How are ya, Ric?
Flair - Don’t come near me - YOU’RE A FREAK! GUNNER, YOU’RE GETTING PAID! NAITCH IS GONE, GUNNER, YOU’RE FIRED!
Sting - NATURE BOY, IT’S FUN BEING BACK WITH YOU, RIC! You okay? You all right? You’re gonna go somewhere, someday kid - you will.
EY - Charles may have been in charge, BUT NOW EY’S IN CHARGE!
Crimson - It’s been a long week. A long week of pain and thinking. There’s a guy in the back I used to have respect for, but now, me and him have some personal issues we have to discuss. SO MISTER ANGLE, IF YOU WOULD, COME ON DOWN HERE!
Tenay - WHAT THE HELL HAS GOTTEN INTO ANGLE!? HE HAS HOGAN AS HIS ALLY AND INFORMANT! Lemme get to the paint - you came out here and said you’d eliminate every young athlete on this roster, and you choose me as your first victim!? GUESS WHAT, MR. ANGLE, MISSION FAILED! Why? BECAUSE I’M STANDING HERE! RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU! AND I’M PISSED OFF!
Angle - Tell ya what kid, I appreciate the respect with the Mister Angle and all, and I wish I could return the respect, but I can’t - because you’re nobody going nowhere. You’re what I was talking about last week - the young talent on the roster BUILT AROUND ME! THEY BROUGHT ME IN TO MAKE YOU! BECAUSE WITHOUT ME, YOU’ER NOTHING BUT AN UNCOORDINATED GREEN-ASS LITTLE BITCH! AND IT TAKES A STAR LIKE ME TO MAKE YOU. I’VE BEEN MAKING PEOPLE MY WHOLE CAREER, AND WHERE HAS IT GOTTEN ME? SPIT ON. KICKED IN THE BALLS, AND DISRESPCTED!
Crimson - YOU’RE WRONG. NOT ONE OF THOSE YOUNG GUYS HAS EVER DISRESPECTED YOU, BUT NOW YOU’RE LISTENING TO HOGAN’S B.S. WE HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR YOU - IT IS OUR HONOR TO COMPETE WITH YOU!
Angle - Your honor? YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT IT’S YOUR HONOR. GUYS LIKE YOU CAN’T SHINE MY GOLD MEDAL! When I look at you, I see nothing. You ain’t going nowhere - not in this business.
Crimson - That’s where I beg to differ - I’M ALREADY SOMEBDY. AND IF YOU WANNA FIND OUT WHO I AM, FACE ME IN THIS RING AND NOT ONLY WILL I SHOW YOU WHO I AM, AND WHY I’M UNDEFEATED, AND THE FUTURE OF IMPACT WRESTLING! I’LL SHOW YOU WHY CRIMSON IS THE HERE AND THE NOW! OH, AND MR. ANGLE - I’M REAL, DAMN REAL!
Jarrett - QUE PASA!
Jarrett - HERNANDEZ GAVE ME THE THUMBS UP - ANOTHER ENDORSEMENT!
Tenay - He didn’t even make eye contact.
Jarrett - You just don’t understand the nuances of the Hispanic culture.
Taz - I’ve never seen a title that silk-screened before.
Tenay - You immortalized the AAA Title.
Karen - Don’t my Mexican sisters look beautiful?
Jarrett - They’re gonna hit some ponchos.
Taz - Ponchos?
Jarrett - Plancha, ponchos. There’s a whole left-right deal there.
Tenay - Really picking up the Mexican style, huh?
Jarrett - Si.
Jarrett - You are looking at the royal family of Mexican wrestling.
Jarrett - There’s a lot of Mexican wrestling families - the Conquistadors and Colons.
Tenay - THEY’RE FROM PEURTO RICO!
Jarrett - Si!
Karen - I think Mexican America’s been studying you.
Jarrett - Most guys do.
Tenay - Let’s talk about the great Mexican families…
Jarrett - THE JARRETTS!
Tenay - The Guerreros.
Jarrett - They defined drinking beer and tequila as far as I know. HECTOR, PUT THE CERVECA DOWN. WE’RE BROADCASTING HERE!
Jarrett - I just had a great tag match in Mexico.
Karen - WE WERE IN A DAMN BULL RING!
Jarrett - CERVEZA DINERO!
Karen - AW HELL NO, THAT’S MY MEXICAN SISTER!
[quote name='ShinSolidus']Well, took long enough for this to happen:[/QUOTE]
Feh. This country is full of a bunch of pussies.
Semi-related: Just GuideStar'd this organization. Non-profit my ass. The CEO of the damn organization makes $110,000. This is just a big publicity ploy, IMO.
Really? You don't see flagrant hypocrisy in the following:
1) "don't be a bully!"
2) "hey, fatty!"
If it were a heel, and they told the story arc of someone being a bully and getting their comeuppance, then perhaps it would work. but mocking someone for their weight (and Vickie Guerrero ain't overweight, she just ain't heroin chic) - more importantly, the *good guys* mocking someone for their weight.
This isn't some kind of "oh mai gawd political correctness has gone too far" pablum. This is someone sending very contradictory mixed messages on their program.
[quote name='mykevermin']Really? You don't see flagrant hypocrisy in the following:
1) "don't be a bully!"
2) "hey, fatty!"
If it were a heel, and they told the story arc of someone being a bully and getting their comeuppance, then perhaps it would work. but mocking someone for their weight (and Vickie Guerrero ain't overweight, she just ain't heroin chic) - more importantly, the *good guys* mocking someone for their weight.
This isn't some kind of "oh mai gawd political correctness has gone too far" pablum. This is someone sending very contradictory mixed messages on their program.[/QUOTE]
Ah, you beat me to it. Although I agree with Regian about the nation begin full of pussie, you'd have to think that Lawler constantly cracking fat jokes on Vickie is counter productive to the whole anti-bullying thing, and I'm surprised it took so long for them to take notice.
I think what it does is shows how disingenuous WWE is toward the anti-bullying campaign. That's my biggest problem with it. That also ties into the fact that its the face announcer making fun of a *normal* size woman when I'd be willing to bet you anything Lawler's BMI is a hell of a lot higher than Vickie's.
It's really just hypocrisy all around in this particular deal.
[quote name='mykevermin']Really? You don't see flagrant hypocrisy in the following:
1) "don't be a bully!"
2) "hey, fatty!"
If it were a heel, and they told the story arc of someone being a bully and getting their comeuppance, then perhaps it would work. but mocking someone for their weight (and Vickie Guerrero ain't overweight, she just ain't heroin chic) - more importantly, the *good guys* mocking someone for their weight.
This isn't some kind of "oh mai gawd political correctness has gone too far" pablum. This is someone sending very contradictory mixed messages on their program.[/QUOTE]
My deal is that the WWE shouldn't have gotten involved in this bullshit to begin with.
But since they did, I have to imagine that some people (i.e. Lawler) might forget about it when they have to pretty much wing it on the commentary booth or in a live promo. They just shoot stuff out of their mouths and don't think about it sometimes. We all do it.
^EDIT: your "wing it" theory is nonsense. Vickie is mocked for being overweight *every time* she is on the air. Don't be one of those people who is shown to be incredibly wrong, and doubles down instead of admits they didn't think something through well enough.
Compare this with the "Piggie James" angle from a year or whenever back. The heels were mocking Mickie James, who was the babyface.
Depending on the storytelling, that could have been a great opportunity to send a positive anti-bullying message.
(let's leave aside insider knowledge that this was meant to humiliate Mickie, not garner sympathy for her.)
However, let's put some context into how WWE manages to delude themselves about the quality of their storytelling. When some WWE-related mudslinging went in Linda McMahon's direction last year regarding Nick Dinsmore's 'Eugene' character, Linda McMahon said this about him:
"There was never any intent of WWE to make fun of anyone who is developmentally challenged in any way...It was to show how you can rise above your circumstances. He always had this quality of believing he could be anything he wanted to be. It's a soap opera. It's all a matter of taste."
They see an epic tale of struggle, the crowd sees "jobber playing retarded." They're clamoring for nuance in a product that assumes its fanbase can not see nuance.
[quote name='mykevermin']^EDIT: your "wing it" theory is nonsense. Vickie is mocked for being overweight *every time* she is on the air. Don't be one of those people who is shown to be incredibly wrong, and doubles down instead of admits they didn't think something through well enough.
Compare this with the "Piggie James" angle from a year or whenever back. The heels were mocking Mickie James, who was the babyface.
Depending on the storytelling, that could have been a great opportunity to send a positive anti-bullying message.
(let's leave aside insider knowledge that this was meant to humiliate Mickie, not garner sympathy for her.)
However, let's put some context into how WWE manages to delude themselves about the quality of their storytelling. When some WWE-related mudslinging went in Linda McMahon's direction last year regarding Nick Dinsmore's 'Eugene' character, Linda McMahon said this about him:
"There was never any intent of WWE to make fun of anyone who is developmentally challenged in any way...It was to show how you can rise above your circumstances. He always had this quality of believing he could be anything he wanted to be. It's a soap opera. It's all a matter of taste."
They see an epic tale of struggle, the crowd sees "jobber playing retarded." They're clamoring for nuance in a product that assumes its fanbase can not see nuance.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I'll take your word for it. I'm not in the business of being right all the time. Which is why I'm try to become a meteorologist.
In any event, the whole "don't be a bully" deal probably doesn't mean one damn thing to any of those guys. I think we can probably agree on that end.
It's not that I'm criticizing WWE for allowing their talent to make fun of each other (within reason) and it's certainly not the case that I am being critical of Be a Star Alliance or the Council of Unity. My problem is that WWE's entire involvement stems from them trying to find the quickest way out from being called out on their anti-gay rhetoric and also so Linda McMahon can have a talking point about "changing the industry."
Are there members of the roster who are genuinely opposed to bullying? I don't know for sure but I'm pretty damn sure there are at least some. Does the organization of WWE do anything at all aside from making commercials and a few scattered appearances/soundbites to genuinely combat bullying? Nope, they have a track record of not only failing to address behind the scenes bullying but of flat out booking storylines to embarrass talent (ala Piggy James) which is essentially organizational bullying.
I get it, its the industry and you can't exactly have a compelling product when everyone is being nice and polite to each other but, as others have mentioned, these are the faces which are doing the bullying type activity. The faces that are supposed to be the good guys, the ones you root for and the ones the kids are supposed to want to look to for a good impression. I'm not expecting these faces to change the world through wrestling but at the very least they shouldn't be making fun of a formerly overweight woman who got in shape and the sheer hypocrisy of the fact that Lawler has been increasingly letting himself go but a woman who has worked hard to get in shape is fair game for him... The thing is though, it isn't just Lawler. If it was just him it would be easier to point to the problem not being indicative of the entire organization but rather one douchey guy.
I think at the end of the day it all comes back to something we've all complained about in WWE and that's sloppy, lazy writing. Vickie's the heel and of course they have to do something to express the tension between herself and the face announcers but jumping to just calling her fat is lazy and really not very compelling. Look at CM Punk, who it seems pretty obvious at this point that he doesn't have anyone writing most of his stuff. He gets up there and delivers captivating and tense promos without using much in the way of insults. Sure he throws in a doofus here or there but the majority of his promos are scathing without being insulting. Insulting the other person about something like their weight isn't compelling, its boring and far too easy for them to write.
Anyone who has been paying attention knows that the anti-bullying thing has been a joke since day 1. Look at the way the ing company operates, be it on or off-camera. I'm honestly surprised it has taken this long for someone to finally notice. I'm still surprised they dodged the Bellas/Kong thing coming back to haunt them.
There are tons of worthy causes WWE could have hitched itself to to try to make itself look good. I'm baffled why they chose anti-bullying.
Speaking of the sensitive side of WWE, remember when Eugene was going to be an "inspirational" character, had a few weeks of upswing, then wound up getting crushed by Triple H and getting sent to nowheresville? And then later turned into a bad guy who was a sexually aggressive freak? ("I want a kiss! I want a kiss...YOU'RE GOING TO KISS ME DAMMIT!!!") That was fun and it made me feel great about retards!
[quote name='KaneRobot'] And then later turned into a bad guy who was a sexually aggressive freak? ("I want a kiss! I want a kiss...YOU'RE GOING TO KISS ME DAMMIT!!!") That was fun and it made me feel great about retards![/QUOTE]
wtf? i so dont remember this lmao . I just remember the retarded superhero gimmick.
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']I have to disagree. I truly feel that Del Rio has "it." Sheamus and Swagger aren't even in the same league. Christ, Swagger has a beast of a lisp, and Sheamus is more of a cartoon character than an in-ring performer. Del Rio has a look, can wrestle, and is fairly decent on the mic. I saw him as a future champ once he debuted.[/QUOTE]
And JBL was a champ. And a tubby Ted DiBiase (who also should have been a champ, but that's another conversation altogether - he was initially booked to win WMIV). Your point?
JBL being a decent champion when it was all said and done was a miracle. If not for a complete reinvention and Eddy nearly dying to put him over, he still would have been the same boring Bradshaw.
Well, you can give him zero credit for it, but I think that's way off base.
I really dug his in-ring style, as it reminded me of Stan Hansen/Dick the Bruiser style of...well, it's hard to call it "wrestling," so let's settle on "clubberin'."
He was always a good promo guy in my view, his in-ring stuff was solid, and his persona was crazy believable. He was able to get bonkers heat by just being himself - a loudmouthed rich republican.
[quote name='davo1224']JBL being a decent champion when it was all said and done was a miracle. If not for a complete reinvention and Eddy nearly dying to put him over, he still would have been the same boring Bradshaw.[/QUOTE]
Wish Eddy was never in wrestling... We wouldnt have Vicki if he never came over from wcw.
up the collision detection, and the animations would mean the ropes would go "through" their hand when they grabbed for it, instead of like now where they get near each other and then separate.
Yeah when Guido became the de facto leader of the F.B.I was near the end of ECW. Then they added Tony Mamaluke and they were a nice team to feud with Doring/Roadkill and Tajri/Whipwreck. Even at the end ECW was better than WCW at the time.
