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[quote name='lmz00']I don't really care for the parking lot brawl. Who wants to pay money to go to a show, only to have to watch a match take place on a screen?[/QUOTE]

Vampiro VS The KISS Demon in a Graveyard match was the highlight of Bash At The Beach 2000 :whistle2:#
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I suspect it'll be a new design that'll cover up his bald head.

Going back to the old mask will get...old...quick. Like the DX reunion. Nostalgia's great, but the high is short-lived.[/quote]

bald kane in a mask would be rather stupid, but bald kane in a mask with a wig would be much much worse.
 
[quote name='Halo05']They should put him in a new mask and just start calling him Enak.[/quote]


Put him back in a doctor's mask and call him Isaac Yankem OBGYN.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Put him back in a doctor's mask and call him Isaac Yankem OBGYN.[/quote]

His finisher will be renamed to "The Cold Poke."
 
I dunno if this has been posted, but it may help GTzerO get the joke...

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Last night's RAW slipped in the national Nielsen ratings. The episode did hours of 3.11 and 3.29, for a final rating of a 3.2, with an average audience of 4.75 million viewers.

Last week's episode scored a 3.5 cable rating.

PUNK = RATINGS
CENA/JBL = 3
 
If they REALLY wanted ratings, they'd just pay The Rock like $15,000,000 (or however much he makes for a movie) to come back for two PPVs and a few RAWs in between. Of course, that's two million more than Stone Cold made in his best year, so they'd never cough up that much dough. :(
 
[quote name='lmz00']If they REALLY wanted ratings, they'd just pay The Rock like $15,000,000 (or however much he makes for a movie) to come back for two PPVs and a few RAWs in between. Of course, that's two million more than Stone Cold made in his best year, so they'd never cough up that much dough. :([/QUOTE]

But, say that Vince wanted to, will the Rock even do it? Reasons why he might not:

1) Rock is a perfectionist (as most successful people are). He isn't going to come back and phone it in. Does he really want to get back in game shape and then take the beatings for 2-3 months? Sure, he loves it, but he did it, and now he can get the same reactions without the pain, why do it? I don't see any indication that he really misses it that much

2) He is trying to cultivate a "Non-Rock" image. Coming back pretty much pisses that away.

Really, my guess is that his price might look far closer to $50 million than $15, and now we're starting to get into rediculousness. Who does he fight for $50 million and lose to that makes him worth that much money? Wrestlers already can get on tv to hype Wrestlemania (like Big Show when he was fighting Mayweather for much less).

Sorry, I just don't see this ever happening, even if the WWE wanted to.
 
Were you referring to how that was Kane spelled backwards? I was saying that they could call him Cane spelled backwards, so nobody could say it was Kane spelled backwards.
 
Looks like I called it(somewhat) with the TNA world title match. Won't mention what they're doing but the match at Victory Road did not have a finish.

Also for those wanting to see what they're doing with Brian Kendrick on SD, watch friday's show. According to the spoilers, he has a match this week that makes tv and does come out with his bodyguard.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']Were you referring to how that was Kane spelled backwards? I was saying that they could call him Cane spelled backwards, so nobody could say it was Kane spelled backwards.[/QUOTE]
But Cane is Cena with the vowels switched.. so if a masked Enac debuted everyone would assume its Cena!
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']But Cane is Cena with the vowels switched.. so if a masked Enac debuted everyone would assume its Cena![/quote]

Except Cena is not as out of shape as Kane is.
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']But, say that Vince wanted to, will the Rock even do it? Reasons why he might not:

1) Rock is a perfectionist (as most successful people are). He isn't going to come back and phone it in. Does he really want to get back in game shape and then take the beatings for 2-3 months? Sure, he loves it, but he did it, and now he can get the same reactions without the pain, why do it? I don't see any indication that he really misses it that much

2) He is trying to cultivate a "Non-Rock" image. Coming back pretty much pisses that away.

Really, my guess is that his price might look far closer to $50 million than $15, and now we're starting to get into rediculousness. Who does he fight for $50 million and lose to that makes him worth that much money? Wrestlers already can get on tv to hype Wrestlemania (like Big Show when he was fighting Mayweather for much less).

Sorry, I just don't see this ever happening, even if the WWE wanted to.[/quote]I know that, I was just being hypothetical. I don't want to see him in another match, anyway. It would ruin things. IMO, he should've retired after Backlash '03. Coming back as a face, helping the likes of Eugene, teaming with Foley, and losing at WMXX shouldn't have happened.
 
The only Rock match I would want to see if he returned would be one more Rock/Austin match with a heel Austin.
 
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Dr. Ranjan Chhibber, a lifelong fan hired to the writing team in 2004 on the basis of his award-winning academic career, risked being tarnished with both stigmas. The mere mention of his PhD immediately troubled intellectually-inferior workers, while his unmistakable passion for the business elicited the contempt of jaded veterans.

Dr. Chhibber remembers Pat Patterson, the former wrestler and booker and long-time match lay-out ace, cutting off his introduction with a scowling, "You ain't one of those Hollywood guys (who want to ruin wrestling)?" When Dr. Chhibber took a different tack and tried to offset his outside status by informing flattered Senior Vice President of Talent Relations John Laurinaitis that he was a fan of all his All Japan matches, Stephanie reprimanded Chhibber for "acting like a mark."

"Stephanie told me that a WWE writer didn't need to know about other types of wrestling to be successful," said Dr. Chhibber. She said if I let wrestlers know I had that sort of knowledge, I would across as some type of 'super-mark' and never be able to earn their respect. I felt like it was impossible to be respected: they hated you if you didn't know wrestling, and they looked down on you if you were a fan."

"Like Groucho Marx in reverse," theorised one ex-writer, "wrestlers feel like anyone who wishes to belong to their club is automatically too lame to be accepted."

Chad Damiani agreed: "The one thing you have to remember about wrestling people is that, ultimately, underneath all that resentment and suspicion of outsiders, there is the most intense professional insecurity I've ever seen.

"Anything that's outside wrestling is legitimate. I remember watching all of the top stars from WCW's peak crowding around someone in first-class on a flight, buzzing around this mysterious stranger that I couldn't see like they were groupies. They were actually acting star-struck, treating this celebrity, whoever he was, like Elvis. Finally, someone stepped out of the way and I could see that the biggest stars at its hottest period in wrestling were kissing the ass of Mr. Belding, the principal from "Saved By The Bell."


:whistle2:s
 
"Like Groucho Marx in reverse,"

:rofl:

Just in case, Marx's quip was "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."

I'm going to have to look up his academic writings. Also, I'm amazed by the parallels between the "professional insecurities" of wrestling and academia.
 
Maybe I'm being too short sighted, but who gives a shit if the workers respect you? You write a good show, how about that? No wonder the writing is going down the tube, the writers are just trying to get in with the cool kids. Shit.

And the fact that they've made it clear that they've always wanted to be one of the boys but never could makes it so obvious that those quotes could've been said out of spite. I guess it could make some since, though.
 
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It matters as much as likability does anywhere else in the workplace. They can make your life hell indirectly by screwing up your storylines, complaining about how you don't know anything, etc. Sometimes indirectly, and sometimes directly (not everyone can have a Triple H level of influence).

If they don't like you, they'll make it so that you don't want to work there. Just like anywhere else.

EDIT: With the exception of Mick Foley, every wrestler I met responded more to "hip cool indifference" more than "oh, you're awesome!" attitudes. Like a sort of "I know who you are, but I'm not particularly excited by that fact" attitude. Even Dean Malenko was like that. Mark Henry and Justin Credible were far too polite, IMO, to have gotten as far as they did in the biz.
 
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The weird thing about all of this is that wrestlers are said to treat wrestlers the exact opposite way when they first come in. People get their ass kicked for forgetting to shake a guy's hands.

EDIT: Whoops, not the opposite way. The same way, but more violent.
 
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Today's the 20th anniversary of the murder of Bruiser Brody. Oh, and David Young's done some interviews stating that he's doing mo-cap for the Legends of WrestleMania game, and loved doing the stuff for... ARN ANDERSON! So he'll be in, and signs in the crowd show LoD and HBK being in as well.

I would imagine that we'll get some form of the Four Horsemen in as well - either as the Horsemen outright, or a mish-mash form with teams included that could comprise the Horsemen (like having the U.S. Express of Windham and Rotundo in, along with the Brainbusters, who, combined with Flair, could comprise the Horsemen - sans Rotundo).

Some amusing audio - the best and worst of WOL - the Eyada Years (with tons of Zenk wackiness and a fabulous Missy Hyatt story about the Mountie giving a friend of her a bad case of crabs, leading to Bryan asking "Please say she worked at a grocery store - please say that's where this is going!", and Missy saying that she wants to have Bret's child because "I bet he has great sperm!") -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/b9samo

Volume 2 - the best and worst of WOL - the Sportsbyline Years -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0jvn6d

Gary Hart 2008 shoot interview -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/fzzvhl
 
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Myke covered everything I was going to add. It comes down to work environment. If they don't like someone, they could make one's professional life a real hell.

While he may get a push, Spanky is still on the wrong show. Smackdown is his worst possible option as they don't have a mid-card title - unless they're giving him a Divas championship push. :whistle2:#
 
SD has a mid-card belt - the U.S. title, which is still defended on SD, and still far, far, far above Kendrick's level right now.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']Anyone under 6'1" and 220lbs is on the wrong show by being in the WWE period.[/quote]
Is it wrong that that made me chuckle?

It also makes me wonder how well this guy would do in ROH.
 
Eh, they're far better at pushing small guys over the past few years than they've been historically - although after Rey's reign, I wouldn't exactly want to be a small guy given the world title there.
 
http://www.gamestop.com/gs/stopwatch/stopwatch.aspx

Free overnight shipping on TNA Impact from GS - temporary deal.

I still want to wait for reviews; the physics look a little "floaty," which is what killed the LoW series, Wrestlemania 21, and the Raw franchise on Xbox.

Jay, I'm trying to think of who has been pushed other than Rey who has fit into the "small" category over the recent years. Chavo comes to mind, but who else?
 
Ahahaa

Shawn Michaels has never been very big, even when he was "eating tons of food and going to the gym all the time" with Nash.
 
http://www.fcwwrestling.com/talent.html

Your up-and-coming WWE guys.

I noticed that Steve Lewington now goes by "Jack Gabriel."
Charles Evans has hair now (makes him look much older)
Jake Hager's put on some muscle mass he did not have in OVW (to be fair, I haven't seen him wrestle in 8-10 months, so I'm not implying anything there other than he's clearly working out harder)
Stu Sanders = Stu Bennet with a stupid mustache
Sinn Bowdee - god bless him for trying, but he's not going anywhere from here other than down.
Stampede Kid - I know nothing about his ability, but I want to hate him ten ways from Sunday based on that smug look and brazilian wax haircut of his.
Also, another Colon (Carlito's brother?) and Curt Hennig's son are there.

Also, a ton of cookie cutter hardbodies with few standouts. I am a huge fan of Mike Kruel and Shawn Spears, so look for both of them to get released before going up.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Anyone under 6'1" and 220lbs is on the wrong show by being in the WWE period.[/quote]

Quoted for truth.

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']SD has a mid-card belt - the U.S. title, which is still defended on SD, and still far, far, far above Kendrick's level right now.[/quote]

Sigh, I still considered the United States title an upper mid-card title. I forgot to change its value since WWE started using it. Damn WCW values. Now, if WWE had a TV title, that would be more of a mid-card title.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.fcwwrestling.com/talent.html

Your up-and-coming WWE guys.

I noticed that Steve Lewington now goes by "Jack Gabriel."
Charles Evans has hair now (makes him look much older)
Jake Hager's put on some muscle mass he did not have in OVW (to be fair, I haven't seen him wrestle in 8-10 months, so I'm not implying anything there other than he's clearly working out harder)
Stu Sanders = Stu Bennet with a stupid mustache
Sinn Bowdee - god bless him for trying, but he's not going anywhere from here other than down.
Stampede Kid - I know nothing about his ability, but I want to hate him ten ways from Sunday based on that smug look and brazilian wax haircut of his.
Also, another Colon (Carlito's brother?) and Curt Hennig's son are there.

Also, a ton of cookie cutter hardbodies with few standouts. I am a huge fan of Mike Kruel and Shawn Spears, so look for both of them to get released before going up.[/quote]


Stampede Kid (TJ Wilson) is a solid wrestler. I have a folder with Stampede Wrestling videos on a DVD-R somewhere... But yes, Harry Smith and TJ Wilson should be brought into WWE as a tag team. They would be a great addition to an anemic division.

As for the rest of the Florida territory... Joe Hennig, Afa Jr., and Colt Cabana. Those will be the top talents. I have only seen a single Joe Hennig match, and it was okay; Afa Jr.'s pretty good; and Colt Cabana is a star.

I think anyone who has ever followed Ring of Honor once thought how WWE-friendly Colt Cabana would be if they acquired him. If they misuse Cabana, I will be pissed. He's just such a great talent and personality.
 
I had seen an editorial on it the other day, so I figure I'll toss it out there.

With so many guys from the same background coming into WWE and having forced, and ridiculous, names changes, why did CM Punk get to retain his name AND gimmick?

Harry Smith, Monty Brown, Matt Sydal, Chris Harris, the list goes on... all got name changes or gimmick tweaks.

Why did Punk get to bypass all of that? It intrigued me.
 
Because they foresaw another steroid scandal coming and they were waiting to bring an anti-drug guy to the forefront.
 
It's not about being marketable, though, it's about WWE *owning* the name, which I assume isn't the case with Punk. Maybe it is, though... it was a talking point AND a question, in case anyone happened to know.

Vince owns names. If you have your birth name, you're given a new one. If you already have a gimmick, you sign it over to him. That's the way it works... which is why I want to know about Punk. Did Punk actually sign the rights to the gimmick he's always used over to Vince? If not, how'd he get out of it.... did Vince want him badly enough to let it go (doubtful)? It's not like the WCW days, when there was a viable option to go to if you didn't want to play ball with Vince. Of course, people did... and they got burned. Team 3D, anyone? Vince literally does have all of the power now, which is why I can't see him letting Punk keep his gimmick without taking ownership. It's doubly puzzling since we know Vince doesn't particularly care for pushing things he didn't create.

That's sort of the question. It's like with the incoming Ron Killings... even though they're allowing him to go by Ron Killings, they're *still* billing him as 'Kwik Ron Killings"... a name that they own. Of course, why they'd want to remind anyone of K-kwik, I have absolutely no idea. ;)
 
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So, I have been mostly out of the loop since July 4th. The only shows I have seen have been the July 7th Raw and this week's ECW. I caught up on show results, but what have I missed as far as news?
 
I think one of the main differences is that none of those guys were huge breakout indy stars on the level that Punk was, and since Punk's affiliation was mainly with ROH (who WWE seems to have a decent relationship with, as far back as the Matt Hardy invasion angle) Vince probably didn't feel as threatened as he would by someone who made their name in TNA (Ron Killings, Monty Brown, Chris Harris).
 
His name is corny, marketable, and fits him. IOW, it suits WWE style, and doesn't "clash" with anyone else's (like how we're dumb enough to potentially confuse a cut-and-ripped hispanic dude with Horschach hair from "Welcome Back Kotter" with an old-time great who has been perpetually down on his luck black man with no hair at all if they were both called "Atlas" such that the former was redubbed "Ricky" - which is *REALLY* an indicator of how on-the-fly WWE booking is, since he was Atlas one week, then as Tony Atlas was put into the main event the following week, they changed his name within 7 days. Meaning, of course, they had no idea what they were doing in the main event 7 days from the ECW show when Ortiz debuted. Yikes.)

But, as for Punk, I think that WWE occasionally - and very rarely - decides that a name should stick. I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to it, other than the perpetual desire to have ZERO overlap.

Which reminds me: there's a Matt Hardy, a Matt Striker, and a Matt Adamle. Oh, man - I can't figure out who is who! They better change their names stat!

Matt Hardy will become Aloysius Kettlebottom
Matt Striker will become Teacher McJerkpants
Matt Adamle will become Filipino Von Wolfenstein

Based on how absurdly far into the "dumbass name" bin WWE goes sometimes. Brayden? BRAYDEN?

EDIT: Oh yeah, get ready for the internet FURY of 2008. I got $20 that sez they debut Colt Cabana with a name and personality change. They'll COMPLETELY revamp him. Guaranteed.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Which reminds me: there's a Matt Hardy, a Matt Striker, and a Matt Adamle. Oh, man - I can't figure out who is who! They better change their names stat![/quote]:whistle2:s There are issues with a Mike Knox and a Mike Adamle though. Two guys on the same show that no one gives a shit about is a pretty good grounds for confusion.

I'd also be surprised if Colt Cabana got to keep his name when he gets called up.
 
Oh, it's Mike Adamle? Egads, honest gaffe on my part. Guess that "boy howdy look how bad this announcer is!" angle to wrangle in viewers didn't pay off. ;)
 
Looks like Jake "The Snake" Roberts is doing reviews of Raw on his Myspace blog.

Pretty interesting.

RAW Review: July 14, 2008

Opening as usual, recap of last week. And pumping the PPV. Still some nice footage of some of the old timers. That's what happens when you sign off and they own the footage. Some of these guys are probably turning in their graves. But I still like it.

Shane and Stephanie doing their spiel. Only thing I can say is Grecian formula, try it, you'll like it, Shane.

The show, first match, Mickey James vs Katie Lea Burchill with brother Paul at ringside.

These girls worked their butts off, did some great moves but not much on timing. Katie does take the time to work on character--definitely the more polished of the two. Solid and stiff performance. Wonder how many injuries have happened due to just not enough ring time, and the fact that they rush everything trying to get too much in? Katie loses and then brother Paul and her attack Mickey. Oh my gosh, surprise, Kofi Kingston comes to save the day.

When coming back from commercial break, impromptu Intercontinental Match already in progress. Paul vs Kofi, set up from the attack last week and brought to a head with Paul attacking Mickey, and Kofi asking for it after save.
A very good match, by both men, actually a good wrestling match. Paul grounded Kofi and made him show that he could wrestle. But it looked like he had a hard time getting into position to apply holds. Just inexperience.
Paul shows tenacity works hard, like a heel should and doesn't go down on the first shot. He made Kofi earn what he got, made it believable, got some heat, and gave him a good comeback. Paul does some blocking which doesn't hurt, because he doesn't over sell it. I really enjoyed this nice surprise and how about a match with no ring entrance?

Santino against Beth Phoenix.
Oh well, should have known, two good matches in a row just wasn't going to happen.
Vince I will tell you now, you are missing the boat with Santino, because he can work. Not that the others can't and many aren't capable, but I have stated in the past the great ones take impossible ideas and make them work. He did it and for those who think you have to win them all--wrong. He came out of this with more heat than he entered with. Fairly good job by both. Slam by Beth was different, I hope I don't see that again, and fans did you notice how he was beaten? With the most devastating hold today ? The crippling schoolboy.

Kelly Kelly vs ?....Dibiase and Rhodes come down instead. Mic skills not that bad, creating a team of young men we can all dislike. Disrespectful, arrogant, talented, and good looking. They both took after their Mothers. Duggan came down, always great to see him, tried to bring the boys attention back and of course they humiliated him. I hope they both know he could mop the floor with both of them, at the same time, without breaking a sweat. And Jim, you have never dropped your head like a sad cow in your life. And damned sure didn't look comfortable.
Attaching JBL to these two could help them. Although they are sure to be tossed around later, but boys, that's paying your dues. Lets see how you handle this. Oh, by the way, did you like Kelly's match? A great ring entrance.

CM Punk vs Kane
Is this a warm up to show that he can actually wrestle Batista? I certainly hope not. Kane really did do something special to make this work. Threw some great stuff grabbing a hold after great drop kick with CM sitting on his butt. Of course, he didn't give it the respect it deserved. Still Kane made this work. Finish see CM, I told you--you can't pick them all up. And think you would have had a better move to use for the count out.

Aftermath, well done by Kane, saved by Batista, would have liked to seen Kane get away with heat. All this, I'm sure and pray that they are turning CM heel. As he would have a better chance of getting over, and at least he wouldn't have to change his outfit. Kane has certainly brought his contribution to a new level. Sometimes a story makes one's creative juices flow and that is what I am seeing in Kane. He deserves it, and the WWE needs it. Something happened in this match that also happened in the second match. Do you know?

Edge and Vicki G getting married on Smackdown, Friday, waiting for invitation, but Thank God, it got lost in the mail.

Chris Jericho and Paul London.
Guess the attacks by Shawn earlier had no effect and didn't even leave a scratch on him. Still pushing the jealousy angle--that I like. Shawn, not a hair out of place, but at least he looked like hell.

Jamie Noble vs Snitski
Set up has lesson to be learned for young men. Don't let pride and lust for a woman get your ass kicked. Snitski looked good with broken nose. Just a win for him, to get a little something back so he can do the favor when needed. Noble does his gimmick well. Don't know about you, but my time, I've met a million just like him, no, not all of them were wrestlers.

JBL, C. Rhodes,T Dibiase vs Cena, Cryme Tyme
At least no limo. That's a blessing. Cena starts with C. Rhodes--whatever happened to locking up and getting the hold, or to the heel throwing the first punch or kick? Oh the times have changed. Check the ring attire, heels dress like wrestlers, the babies like thugs. When you start a match kicking, punching , and doing finish maneuvers, where do you go from there? No where but down. The heels were doing the wrestling, and not easy to get heat on a thug, but they didn't give up. And it's happened, the same freak thing occurred and 2nd and 4th match, is also appearing in this one. Hope it goes all the way and is capitalized on. JBL taking ref trying to give Ted and Cody opportunity to get cheap heat from outside--they didn't. Maybe they don't know or just too excited. Rhodes gave great move with missed bulldog but then got up and delivered punch to Cena to stop the tag. It was milked properly but would have been better if he had tagged out and let the fresh heel do it. Tag made comeback given by Rhodes and Dibiase - JBL avoids Cena and then gets DQ'd for the save. Damn! A DQ on a save.

Afterbirth, all I can say is won't the murder of Cena hurt the PPV?? What a stinking way to end a decent show.
Tonight we've had a DQ, a count out, a girl-boy match, a lost match, an impromptu match, and Noble non-match, no referee.
Tonight we had over 33 minutes of wrestling. A fluke? I hope not. Whatever the reason, I thank you. Still would be sweeter with more. Matches still don't get enough time, and that's how you make stars. Giving them time to establish exhibit show-ability and create character.
Now let's talk about that freak thing. Better yet, you tell me if you know.
Jake
 
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