The New, But Not Improved Firmware Thread: 4.00 Currently Available

[quote name='lustyhitter']When it seems like the people upset over the loss of the "other OS" feature come off sounding like jilted little kids, I going to have to wonder. I find it hard to believe that thousands of people used a PS3 to run Linux when you could buy a PC at a cheaper price and run it on that, probably better. Also, seeing that GeoHotz, a noted hacker, is the reason that they may have removed this feature, you have to wonder what he had in store.

If you don't want to upgrade, don't. All I'm saying is that most people either don't care or wonder why people are making such a hullabaloo over 3.21.[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't get it... people are upset because Sony is using updates to take away features, not to add them. It is irrelevant how many people used it, it's still Sony taking away advertised features.

It still amazes me that so many people readily accepted, and some even defended, Sony taking away backwards compatibility; swallowing whatever bullshit excuse their executives could come up with as a reason for its removal.

Gamers need to stop being so accepting to getting fucked in the ass.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']I know people like cheapest gamer exist because they thrive on bitching and acting like a whining 10 year old, but i think the rest of you can realize what the situation is, and how futile it is to demand anything to change. Its over and the majority doesn't care.[/QUOTE]

If you think this is bad, you should see all the 'whiners' on the PS Blog practically cursing Sony out over this ridiculous decision.:D

As of right now, there are over 125 pages of comments on the PS Blog with a good majority of them being anti-firmware(when it takes away features of the system). Over 6000 posts is not a 'minority' and I'm willing to bet it's only a fraction of the people who are perturbed by this decision.

Take a look for yourselves: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/comment-page-127/#comments
 
Even if they are removing Linux support, I still think it's not worth going crazy over. People say that Linux runs very poorly on the PS3. If it ran great, then I would understand the hullabaloo over this.
 
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So what else is acceptable for Sony to remove because it doesn't meet your standards?

Linux, as a general purpose computing environment, runs so-so. Linux as a number cruncher/etc, runs amazingly well and still can overpower many PCs.

This isn't about "OMG I can't runz the Linus!!", this is Sony removing functionality that was part of a working system.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']If you think this is bad, you should see all the 'whiners' on the PS Blog practically cursing Sony out over this ridiculous decision.:D

As of right now, there are over 125 pages of comments on the PS Blog with a good majority of them being anti-firmware(when it takes away features of the system). Over 6000 posts is not a 'minority' and I'm willing to bet it's only a fraction of the people who are perturbed by this decision.

Take a look for yourselves: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/comment-page-127/#comments[/QUOTE]

6000 posts.. 32.5 million PS3s sold.. yep, thats a lotta people.
 
[quote name='yukine']You clearly don't get it... people are upset because Sony is using updates to take away features, not to add them. It is irrelevant how many people used it, it's still Sony taking away advertised features.

It still amazes me that so many people readily accepted, and some even defended, Sony taking away backwards compatibility; swallowing whatever bullshit excuse their executives could come up with as a reason for its removal.

Gamers need to stop being so accepting to getting fucked in the ass.[/QUOTE]

What you are saying is huge. But you are missing the key in that post of his:
[quote name='lustyhitter']Also, seeing that GeoHotz, a noted hacker, is the reason that they may have removed this feature, you have to wonder what he had in store.[/QUOTE]

See, somehow Sony knows what George has in store. This is The Minority Report here! Don't you remember that PS3 plays in 4-D?

But in all seriousness, how many months ago did George release the notes on how to achieve access to the Hypervisor? And why did he release the info? Well, it was two and a half months ago. And the reason? Not to "ruin teh PSTreez!!!1!", but simply because he is a kid and has homework and a social life to attend to. No one else had made ANY progress on the exploit on their own. This kid is a genius, and he knows it. He released so that other people could put energy into developing productive tools for the system. Have you read the exploit and how wonky it is? It's no wonder no one has achieved it before! Anyway, hackers have had it for 2.5 months and nothing. Why? Because the folks with the know-how aren't criminals. They are doing honest work with the knowledge. The losers who don't know anything are the ones screaming for free games. And now they are going to get them. Why? Because of Sony. All of this time and no news. How many minutes did it take for Lvl2, GameOS, etc. to be dumped AFTER Sony decided to screw everyone with this past update?

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that this guy's idiocy is obvious and he will NEVER "get" what we are trying to say. It's obvious he doesn't even understand the timeline of things and how difficult things are to achieve, nor how long the folks who "could" "haven't". He is just a troll and doesn't wish to understand. He just wants to be the whiner that he accuses all of us "criminals" of being.

Look at this:
[quote name='lustyhitter']@ MorPheid

Whatever you say, bub.

Anyway, I'm sure you and your clan of whining little babies will probably get what you want and the PS3 will have its pirated and modded consoles for sale on Kijiji in 2011 just like I see with the 360, Wii and every other console. When it's all said and done, you'll get your wishes because the "vocal minority" always gets what they want in this pathetic society we live in.

Me, I don't care. You want it your way. Have it your way. Just don't act like your the good guys. GeoHotz and his supporters are the villains in my book and that will never change.[/QUOTE]

I give him an intelligent post to consider as just one example of the type of people who might be upset by this and all he can say is, "Whatever you say, bub." Obviously, there is nothing more to say.

But he claims, "Me, I don't care. You want it your way. Have it your way." Yet he spends all day crying that we are criminals for being against theft by corporations. And again, disregarding the enormous amount of opportunity I have at my disposal to steal, yet I don't, he says, "Just don't act like your the good guys." Again, I'm a criminal I guess.
 
Please dont consider Geohotz as some type of saint. He said specifically that if you take the effort to take apart a PS3 and hack it, you deserve free games. He is the exact opposite of what the true homebrew community is after, but they wont condemn him yet because they need a hack to run homebrew first. Sadly, they are pinning their hopes on a shady kid who steals others work most of the time.

I wouldnt hold my breathe for homebrew/hack on ps3 anytime soon.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']Please dont consider Geohotz as some type of saint. He said specifically that if you take the effort to take apart a PS3 and hack it, you deserve free games. He is the exact opposite of what the true homebrew community is after, but they wont condemn him yet because they need a hack to run homebrew first. Sadly, they are pinning their hopes on a shady kid who steals others work most of the time.

I wouldnt hold my breathe for homebrew/hack on ps3 anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

If that's true, I'd like a link and I'd also like to smack the kid. And yes, I agree. Nothing will happen anytime soon and that is a good thing. I think it's a long time off until any sort of easy-access exploit is made and an even longer time until one is made that is compatible with updated consoles. Like I have said, I don't really care about any exploit. I care about Sony taking things away I paid for and only applaud the hackers as a mode of showing Sony that they can't screw over the consumer. In America, consumer screw over you!
 
@ MorPhiend

You really need to get a life. Nobody but you and your small clique of angry video game nerds care about this.

As for calling me an idiot, the old adage of arguing on message boards being akin to the Special Olympics applies here. You're not going to convince me about your complaints if you can't keep it classy. All you're doing is making yourself look worse with your rude and confrontational behavior towards me.
 
[quote name='lustyhitter']@ MorPhiend

You really need to get a life. Nobody but you and your small clique of angry video game nerds care about this.

As for calling me an idiot, the old adage of arguing on message boards being akin to the Special Olympics applies here. You're not going to convince me about your complaints if you can't keep it classy. All you're doing is making yourself look worse with your rude and confrontational behavior towards me.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a video game nerd and I care about the fact that Sony is removing features from the system I paid for 2 years after the fact. The last several posts you have made in this thread are ridiculous.
 
[quote name='smiggity']I'm not a video game nerd and I care about the fact that Sony is removing features from the system I paid for 2 years after the fact. The last several posts you have made in this thread are ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Some rabidly believe that Sony can do no wrong, so you're wasting your breath on some in here sadly.

I guess they like paying for features and then having them taken away.:roll:
 
[quote name='smiggity']I'm not a video game nerd and I care about the fact that Sony is removing features from the system I paid for 2 years after the fact. The last several posts you have made in this thread are ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

No, they are not ridiculous. Seriously, maybe 0.005% bought a PS3 so they could run Linux on it. Everybody else bought it to play video games offline/online, watch Blu-Rays or surf the 'Net among other things. I doubt too many people had "running Linux on it" high on their checklist, if at all. And why would you want to run Linux on a 3 year-old machine anyway?

They are removing a feature that only 0.005% of owners use. I'll care when they do something worse, like charge for online gaming or the removal of software PS2 emulation. This is Much Ado About Nothing.
 
You think Sony would have any problems removing PS2 BC for "security reasons" (probably strangely timed with the announcement of PS2 games available through PSN) if they get away with removing Linux for "security reasons"?
 
wow cheapest defending sony and not complaining about the recent update........people we are seriously nearing the end times here.............
 
I'm going to go ahead and make up numbers to support my position now... so I don't feel left out.

30% of all PS3 owners used linux on the PS3. It is absurd that 2 MILLION people are now without the ability to use Linux because of Sony's laziness. 87% of PS3 linux owners are saddened by the loss of Linux support, while only .03% believe it was a good choice to make.

With those fake numbers, how could you possibly think it was a good idea to remove Linux support??
 
[quote name='lokizz']wow cheapest defending sony and not complaining about the recent update........people we are seriously nearing the end times here.............[/QUOTE]

Defending Sony? Hell no. I hated their initial price for the PS3, I hate that I have to download every useless motherfuckin' update regardless of whether or not it has anything that pertains to me in it in order to be able to get online(unless I want to jump through hoops and do that proxy whatever rigamarole). I also despise how they took out functionality(BC first, now Linux) that they originally touted and that actually differentiated them somewhat from the competition.

And yes, in that word I DO count the Wii, even if the fanboys only count it as 'two Gamecubes taped together'.:roll:

Gaming is and always will be about having fun and getting the most for your entertainment dollar. But now Sony has further cheapened and tarnished their reputation in this business by stripping the PS3 of yet another one of its much touted features. Like I said before, what's next? Taking away the precious wifi adapter that fanboys always chirp about 'zomg costing another $100 for da failbox 360'?

I understand that they took out PS2 BC because of the cost of putting in the chip(s) to run said function, but they also had a software based BC that seemingly took nothing extra to put into the console. So why did they take it away completely? Greed. It's been rumored for a while they're going to add PS2 downloadable titles to PSN, so they couldn't have people being able to go out and buy disc based copies of the same games they want to have people pay near full price for and have no resell rights to.

Sony has really screwed the pooch this gen and I still hope they end up having to give it up. Someone else will surely take their place, much like MS took the place of Sega when they went out of making consoles.

* The statements above are simply opinions. I don't support any specific console maker. I play the games I want to play on the system they're on. I do NOT cherish my consoles as if they were a living breathing person and I will not defend the company making them from 'evil people'. So :razz:
 
Shame they didn't coat that bitter pill with something sweeter to make it go down instead of an update solely to deactivate the other OS option. Something like the long awaited disc-less netflix App.
 
Maybe Sony should have just gone the Microsoft route, and if they detect that you opened your PS3 and soldered anything, or otherwise modded it, they ban your console for life. Then the Other OS people can still have their PSN and their Linux...

Anyway, about them getting rid of BC--I don't think that's a possibility because there are a large enough group of users who actually use the feature. Sony would be more inclined to invest development time to figure out how to patch it to remove the security vulnerabilities / piracy exploits rather than totally get rid of the feature.

They probably saw the threat and cost of leaving the Other OS feature in, and it outweighed any benefit of keeping it in.

I was also listening to a podcast this week (I think the Bombcast) and they were saying that it's possible that Sony removes the feature and then puts it out there separately as a download from their website (it's just speculation of course).
 
[quote name='jh6269']Maybe Sony should have just gone the Microsoft route, and if they detect that you opened your PS3 and soldered anything, or otherwise modded it, they ban your console for life. Then the Other OS people can still have their PSN and their Linux... [/QUOTE]

I don't have much experience with Xbox, but is it as easy to just set up a new account or sub account as it is with the PS3? That could be a reason why they wouldn't go that route.

[quote name='jh6269']I was also listening to a podcast this week (I think the Bombcast) and they were saying that it's possible that Sony removes the feature and then puts it out there separately as a download from their website (it's just speculation of course).[/QUOTE]

I'm scratching my head on that. Am I missing something obvious, but why would they do that and how would it help stop hacking? :whistle2:s
 
MS could only tell if you flashed your drive. There are now ways around that as well.

I highly doubt anyone whining about OtherOS restriction used it more than once a week
 
[quote name='Cthulhu8u']I don't have much experience with Xbox, but is it as easy to just set up a new account or sub account as it is with the PS3? That could be a reason why they wouldn't go that route.



I'm scratching my head on that. Am I missing something obvious, but why would they do that and how would it help stop hacking? :whistle2:s[/QUOTE]

I don't think they ban your account, they ban your console--you can buy another console and get back on.

I forgot the reasoning behind making it a download... It was either the CAG cast or the Bombcast.. Maybe someone else knows.
 
This is my last post about this matter.

To be honest, I'm saddened and angered by the reaction over this at the official Sony boards.

Microsoft seemingly gets a pass despite doing such things as disallowing people to have international XBL Silver accounts, having people not be able to play purchased Arcade games using their account on a second console unless they're online, charging $10 more for games and XBL in Canada and charging people MS Points to change their gamertag.

Sony removes the "other OS" feature to help prevent the console from being possibly hacked by pirates and everybody turns on them immediately. It makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it's wrong that they decided to do this out of the blue and without warning. Maybe it was a rush to judgment over GeoHot and the other hackers. However, to turn against Sony for one thing when other companies have screwed over their customers multiple times is simply galling.

Then again, the people who post there aren't the nicest guys on the 'Net.
 
[quote name='jh6269']This issue will be long forgotten within a month.[/QUOTE]

QFT. For it or against it, this will be an afterthought soon.
 
[quote name='jh6269']
I was also listening to a podcast this week (I think the Bombcast) and they were saying that it's possible that Sony removes the feature and then puts it out there separately as a download from their website (it's just speculation of course).[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt they probably removed it only so they could find a way to double dip and re-charge people for 'other OS' just like they're going to gouge people like me who might want to play an occasional PS2 game on our PS3 but didn't wanna spend the $500-600 for a full BC model.

They've already proven they can do the BC well enough in software, so why remove that feature from all future consoles, unless they have a plan coming up to put up downloadable PS2 games that people will have no resell rights to? Exactly.

Instead of doing like the Wii and allowing the prior gen games to be played on the console or doing like MS and making it so a good portion of original Xbox games could be played via patch on their console, Sony has chosen to remove the feature altogether due to a much rumored upcoming PSN PS2 section where people will have to pay to play per fuckin' game.:roll:

As for people turning on Sony just now, I've hated the motherfuckers this entire gen thus far, but seeing as how MS seriously borked their current console with bad hardware and I didn't see any games I wanted on the Wii, the only choice for me due largely to reliability was the PS3.

Otherwise, if the 360 were a better machine hardware wise I'd be playing on there and playing their exclusives I've wanted to play like Crackdown and Frontline: Fuels Of War, since 90% of the games I've wanted to play were non exclusive third party titles and I don't really give a shit about Blu-Ray one way or the other either..
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I understand that they took out PS2 BC because of the cost of putting in the chip(s) to run said function, but they also had a software based BC that seemingly took nothing extra to put into the console. So why did they take it away completely? Greed. It's been rumored for a while they're going to add PS2 downloadable titles to PSN, so they couldn't have people being able to go out and buy disc based copies of the same games they want to have people pay near full price for and have no resell rights to.[/QUOTE]
The PS2 BC was never 100% software-based, as they just took out one of the two chips they had in the launch version of the system and emulated the chip they took out. It wasn't even as good as the full BC in the original PS3s.

http://kotaku.com/239632/scee-responds-to-backward-compatability
 
someone should put up a poll to see how many older version ps3 owners actually used the other os option. i know i didnt and to be honest like some of the other bells and whistles the older consoles have theyre just extras. besides them taking out the os could be temporary till they find a way to fix any possible hacking issues or could it be possible it was removed for other reasons?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The PS2 BC was never 100% software-based, as they just took out one of the two chips they had in the launch version of the system and emulated the chip they took out. It wasn't even as good as the full BC in the original PS3s.

http://kotaku.com/239632/scee-responds-to-backward-compatability

[/quote]

I knew that and I personally didn't care if it was 100% or only about 80%, since probably most of the ones I'd want to play would be covered by it. Then again, the only PS2 stuff I wanna replay is Just Cause and GTA: Vice City. But I'm actually hoping that Sony drops the price on the PStwo one last time like they did on the PSone before pulling it from the market. I'd gladly rebuy a PS2 at $50, but $100 is pushing it when I know they could do about 80% software BC via download on the PS3.
 
But there are still other emulators out there and if Sony didn't want to do the job of trying to get the BC closer to 100%, then why not license one of those. Personally, I don't believe the bs line that the PS2 components still cost oh so much to put into a PS3 in the first place.

Had they gone simply with DVD like MS or a proprietary(like the mini disc thing PSP uses)format they already have in house and not gone with Blu-Ray, they might've been able to keep full functionality like they did from the PS1 to PS2 gen and not remove functions to save a buck.
 
[quote name='lustyhitter']This is my last post about this matter.

To be honest, I'm saddened and angered by the reaction over this at the official Sony boards.

Microsoft seemingly gets a pass despite doing such things as disallowing people to have international XBL Silver accounts, having people not be able to play purchased Arcade games using their account on a second console unless they're online, charging $10 more for games and XBL in Canada and charging people MS Points to change their gamertag.

Sony removes the "other OS" feature to help prevent the console from being possibly hacked by pirates and everybody turns on them immediately. It makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it's wrong that they decided to do this out of the blue and without warning. Maybe it was a rush to judgment over GeoHot and the other hackers. However, to turn against Sony for one thing when other companies have screwed over their customers multiple times is simply galling.

Then again, the people who post there aren't the nicest guys on the 'Net.[/QUOTE]


I completely agree. Sony has been the most lenient out of all 3 of the console manufacturers. With the Wii, you can't transfer your games to another machine. There's no region coding locks on the discs. Sony has been the most consumer-friendly of the three, and people want to bitch over some ridiculious issue like this.

For the whiners, do what the XBOX folks did, and buy a second console, don't upgrade your current PS3 so you can keep linux on it. At least you have the ability to transfer all your stuff to the new console--if this had been a different console, you wouldn't have it so easy.

Quit blaming Sony for their decision--they're trying to protect themselves at the least amount of cost possible. All of the jackasses, bitching about this on the PS blog, should have been over on GeoHot's blog telling him what an a-hole he is and thanking him for forcing Sony's hand. Obviously Sony knows the extent of the hack and how close GeoHot was to running pirated games or pirated PSN games, and they felt threatened enough to pull the feature to nip it in the bud.

And hopefully, the Giant Bomb guys are correct and Sony pulled the feature for now so they can make it more secure (I think now I remember what was said on the podcast). For now, buy another PC for Linux or another console.

EDIT: Oh, and I do think Sony's made a lot of dumb decisions. The cost of the console, when it came out, was ridiculous. I was going to buy one b/c I knew the Wii was so underpowered. However, when it was announced at the crazy $600 price, I said forget it. But at least I can be thankful for the things they have done right. Yeah, I think it's pretty shitty that they're possibly overreacting (I don't know if they really are, or if it's justified). They're losing money on every console they make, and they can't afford to lose more money on games. It's crucial that that stop piracy to the fullest extent possible.
 
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[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Not every game is worth $60 though, jh. Some of the more glitchy pieces of shit aren't even worth the BR disc they're pressed on.[/QUOTE]

Well, if it's not worth anything, why do you want it? Usually those kind of games end up at dirt cheap prices anyway, or you can buy it used...

I'd venture a guess that most of the pirated games are the ones that are in high demand.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']But there are still other emulators out there and if Sony didn't want to do the job of trying to get the BC closer to 100%, then why not license one of those. Personally, I don't believe the bs line that the PS2 components still cost oh so much to put into a PS3 in the first place.

Had they gone simply with DVD like MS or a proprietary(like the mini disc thing PSP uses)format they already have in house and not gone with Blu-Ray, they might've been able to keep full functionality like they did from the PS1 to PS2 gen and not remove functions to save a buck.[/QUOTE]
I have no clue what you're talking about now. I was disproving your claim that 80GBs had 100% software BC and you're going on about licensing emulators and Blu-ray being the reason PS2 BC wasn't perfect?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I have no clue what you're talking about now. I was disproving your claim that 80GBs had 100% software BC and you're going on about licensing emulators and Blu-ray being the reason PS2 BC wasn't perfect?[/QUOTE]

Actually, I was trying to insinuate that it was due to the addition of BR that the price got insanely jacked up from last gen to this gen. If it came out differently or you thought it did, then oh well.

As for the cheap prices on games, jh. I wouldn't even pay $1 for some of the crap I'm talking about.:D;) But for free, I'd try them.:applause:
 
You could say the same thing about the PS2 when it came out with the price of $300. They were pushing DVDs as a new format before anyone had a DVD player. The fact remains they are making about jack on selling a system. Putting in extraneous hardware and additions would cut into their revenue and require more and more hardware changes to try to make a profit on the system itself, which in turn usually means gutting the system even more.

What the hell are you doing wasting a BD laser on PS2 games? If you want to do that so bad, get a PC emulator or a cheap PS2.
 
FriskyTanuki your right about the 2007(80GB BC) models, I have that ps3 I play ps2 games often and so far Ive only had problems with 2 games (well 3 DDR to check how it runs) they were rpgmaker2 and RE Code VX. The residentevil game has slow down on it but I have patience for it and rpgmaker2 freezes in hell. Overall yeah the 80GB BC is not as good as the 20/60GB but it can play a good amount of games just supporting the tanuki on this. (p.s. it gets hot faster when it plays ps2 games so hot I can make a pop tart ready)
 
You know why it sucks so bad? Because 10 years down the road, when no new PS3 games are coming out and everyone has a PS4, instead of putting my ps3 in the attic it would have developed an active linux community which would have found many uses for my then obsolete ps3. Thats really why it sucks IMO
 
[quote name='kurrptsenate']You could say the same thing about the PS2 when it came out with the price of $300. They were pushing DVDs as a new format before anyone had a DVD player. The fact remains they are making about jack on selling a system. Putting in extraneous hardware and additions would cut into their revenue and require more and more hardware changes to try to make a profit on the system itself, which in turn usually means gutting the system even more.

What the hell are you doing wasting a BD laser on PS2 games? If you want to do that so bad, get a PC emulator or a cheap PS2.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, the people selling on CL in my area don't know the meaning of the words 'cheap PS2'. Every damned system on there around here is a minimum of $50 or is $150-200 with a collection of sports games that're treated like gold.
 
EVERY company this generation has made TOTALLY boneheaded moves. I don't understand why they all seem to have all tried to fail in their own special ways. To not sound like a fanboy rant I won't point out all the problems but I'm sure an astute reader can figure out what I mean. ;)

But this is why I also sort of "standardized" on the PS3. I have all 3 consoles and I felt like the PS3 was the best choice overall for multiplatform games/etc, because it seemed to be the most solidly built system and would provide the best overall experience. It didn't help when my 360 started deciding to eject discs randomly for no reason in the middle of playing a game (therefore causing my system to reset). Sure, some games may not be AS good as the 360 but unless there was a *significant* reason to not buy the PS3 version (see: Bayonetta) I just dealt with minor issues.

Anyway, my point is, I've sunk a LOT of money into the PS3. I bought the system early because I had a feeling Sony would have to remove features to bring the prices down. OtherOS DID play into my decision because it was pretty obvious it was a powerful machine that could probably do a lot. (hint: OtherOS is not a feature that needs to be removed for cost-savings ;) ) And I watched as Sony removed BC, then SACD playback, then memory cards, then USB ports... and none of that affected older models and just made me more happy with my purchase.

But now I'm stuck with a PS3 that I have to either use some unknown DNS proxy to go online with, or upgrade and lose a feature that did play into my purchasing decision.

And if we don't fight feature removal NOW, what's going to stop Sony from removing anything else? They'll have a precedent. And at that point it'd sound stupid to say "well, I didn't use OtherOS but since you're taking out a feature I use, NOW I CARE!!!!!"

And to add insult to injury for Sony-- check Geohot's blog. He now has a proof of concept custom firmware for 3.21 that keeps the OtherOS feature. So in 6 days, we've gone from no CFW to one that may be out soon. Right now all it does is keep OtherOS but it's now just a matter of time til the system is hacked.

So-- moral of the story. Sony blocks a LEGITIMATE feature from LEGITIMATE users. Hackers keep old system. Hackers now start to crack new system. People willing to install a custom firmware now get LEGITIMATE feature back, whereas "I'm totally honest and won't do anything questionable" owners don't get to keep the feature.

How's that working out for you, Sony?
 
i haven't bothered to update so i've been offline since this but eventually I'll probably do it. still I'm annoyed. so I'm just chiming in to complain. that's about it.
 
[quote name='Justin42']EVERY company this generation has made TOTALLY boneheaded moves. I don't understand why they all seem to have all tried to fail in their own special ways. To not sound like a fanboy rant I won't point out all the problems but I'm sure an astute reader can figure out what I mean. ;)

But this is why I also sort of "standardized" on the PS3. I have all 3 consoles and I felt like the PS3 was the best choice overall for multiplatform games/etc, because it seemed to be the most solidly built system and would provide the best overall experience. It didn't help when my 360 started deciding to eject discs randomly for no reason in the middle of playing a game (therefore causing my system to reset). Sure, some games may not be AS good as the 360 but unless there was a *significant* reason to not buy the PS3 version (see: Bayonetta) I just dealt with minor issues.

Anyway, my point is, I've sunk a LOT of money into the PS3. I bought the system early because I had a feeling Sony would have to remove features to bring the prices down. OtherOS DID play into my decision because it was pretty obvious it was a powerful machine that could probably do a lot. (hint: OtherOS is not a feature that needs to be removed for cost-savings ;) ) And I watched as Sony removed BC, then SACD playback, then memory cards, then USB ports... and none of that affected older models and just made me more happy with my purchase.

But now I'm stuck with a PS3 that I have to either use some unknown DNS proxy to go online with, or upgrade and lose a feature that did play into my purchasing decision.

And if we don't fight feature removal NOW, what's going to stop Sony from removing anything else? They'll have a precedent. And at that point it'd sound stupid to say "well, I didn't use OtherOS but since you're taking out a feature I use, NOW I CARE!!!!!"

And to add insult to injury for Sony-- check Geohot's blog. He now has a proof of concept custom firmware for 3.21 that keeps the OtherOS feature. So in 6 days, we've gone from no CFW to one that may be out soon. Right now all it does is keep OtherOS but it's now just a matter of time til the system is hacked.

So-- moral of the story. Sony blocks a LEGITIMATE feature from LEGITIMATE users. Hackers keep old system. Hackers now start to crack new system. People willing to install a custom firmware now get LEGITIMATE feature back, whereas "I'm totally honest and won't do anything questionable" owners don't get to keep the feature.

How's that working out for you, Sony?[/QUOTE]


You do know it isn't custom firmware. Reason he can't release it is because it's 99.99% sony code and he will get his ass sued if he released it as is. Most people are just saying it's a slight mod and people are even questioning if its real and not just the proxy hack with modified text.

I'll say it's real when it's released, but until then it may very well at best just be a tweaked 3.21 that is unreleasable due to sony suing the everloving shit out of Geohot if he releases that as his work.
 
[quote name='Justin42']
So-- moral of the story. Sony blocks a LEGITIMATE feature from LEGITIMATE users. Hackers keep old system. Hackers now start to crack new system. People willing to install a custom firmware now get LEGITIMATE feature back, whereas "I'm totally honest and won't do anything questionable" owners don't get to keep the feature.

How's that working out for you, Sony?[/QUOTE]

...Except that it's the same guy, doing what he was probably going to do anyway--regardless of Sony removing the feature in 3.21.
 
[quote name='Paco']You do know it isn't custom firmware. Reason he can't release it is because it's 99.99% sony code and he will get his ass sued if he released it as is. Most people are just saying it's a slight mod and people are even questioning if its real and not just the proxy hack with modified text.

I'll say it's real when it's released, but until then it may very well at best just be a tweaked 3.21 that is unreleasable due to sony suing the everloving shit out of Geohot if he releases that as his work.[/QUOTE]

Great. He can make it work like an IPS patch for SNES ROMs. Simply have the patch, the firmware, and the injector, and you're good to go. The firmware is available to download for USB drive transfer, right?
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']Great. He can make it work like an IPS patch for SNES ROMs. Simply have the patch, the firmware, and the injector, and you're good to go. The firmware is available to download for USB drive transfer, right?[/QUOTE]


It'd have to be patched on the computer, but yes I could see that method or something similar happening. Except the fact that Geohot knows he will be boned if he goes that route for the simple fact that the firmware is Sony code, he didn't reverse engineer shit and basically just changed a tiny part and tried to pass it as his own custom firmware. Sony would sue him and win and he will become impoverished for the rest of his life. Hence Geohot will NOT release this version. It can be used as a basis to make ANOTHER firmware, BUT as is it is too risky for him.

In the past people did this with anonymity . Nowadays with how stupid kids are they make blogs, twitters, myspace, facebooks and talk like fucking idiots. They are not anonymous and are easily found and easily sued.
 
[quote name='Paco']It'd have to be patched on the computer, but yes I could see that method or something similar happening. Except the fact that Geohot knows he will be boned if he goes that route for the simple fact that the firmware is Sony code, he didn't reverse engineer shit and basically just changed a tiny part and tried to pass it as his own custom firmware. Sony would sue him and win and he will become impoverished for the rest of his life. Hence Geohot will NOT release this version. It can be used as a basis to make ANOTHER firmware, BUT as is it is too risky for him.

In the past people did this with anonymity . Nowadays with how stupid kids are they make blogs, twitters, myspace, facebooks and talk like fucking idiots. They are not anonymous and are easily found and easily sued.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, like how all those fan made games get cease and desist orders. It blows my mind that people give these companites somebody to give those C&Ds to.
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']I can't believe people trust in geohotz. Pretty amazing.[/QUOTE]


I don't trust in Geohotz. He's a gloryhound and a piece of shit. Hacked the iPhone? LOL don't make me laugh. He made a loader that let idiots hack it. But the actual hacking? Nope, that was all other peoples work. He gets the glory for making it simple and the true hackers are out of the spotlight. Like they usually are.

And the fanmade games have more of a pass. You're talking about something that is still worked on, something that is constantly being changed and something that is still alive. That is going to be a hell of a lot harder to get thrown out rather then some 20 year old game that hasn't seen a sequel in over a decade.
 
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