The NFL 2012-13 Season Thread - Super Bowl XLVII is the Harbaugh Bowl!

I just got an image of Walken doing the Ray Lewis entrance in my head then leading the pre-game huddle. Also appropriately I got an image of Ray Lewis doing Weapon of Choice. Just odd.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']CAG: where being a Hooters girl is just as bad as taking a plea deal to beat a murder charge.[/QUOTE]

CAG: Where putting words in someone's mouth is an art form.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']CAG: Where putting words in someone's mouth is an art form.[/QUOTE]
Replace CAG with "The Internet" and I agree 100%.
 
Joe Flacco doesn't really have a "quarterback" sound to it.

You certinally don't think of him in the same league with the Bradys, Mannings, Rogers, etc.
 
I'm not sure, but I think Lewis is still crying. I'm a Ravens fan, but a little part of me hopes they lose and then they interview Lewis and ask him why The Lord didn't help him win the game. Ok, not really, but still that would make a loss more acceptable. LOL!
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']that is because he isn't in the same league.[/QUOTE]

Not yet. But now Cam is long gone, everybody can go Wacko for Flacco!

It was also announced that Caldwell will be the OC next year and Juan Castillo will be the Ravens RB coach
 
[quote name='crunchewy']I'm not sure, but I think Lewis is still crying. I'm a Ravens fan, but a little part of me hopes they lose and then they interview Lewis and ask him why The Lord didn't help him win the game. Ok, not really, but still that would make a loss more acceptable. LOL![/QUOTE]

Don't worry, after the Super Bowl, "he gonna cry in the car".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFUbTbC5cU
 
[quote name='renique46']Flacco just beat Peyton and Brady, i cant believe who else did the same not to long ago to join the club.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the way Flacco intercepted those passes, recovered those fumbles, ran the ball so hard, and kicked that game winning field goal, he is just so great.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Yeah, the way Flacco intercepted those passes, recovered those fumbles, ran the ball so hard, and kicked that game winning field goal, he is just so great.[/QUOTE]

The amount of belly-aching in here is hilarious. Go look at the stats. Flacco did outperform both Manning and Brady. Sure, he didn't single-handedly win the game. But he stepped up in high pressure situations when his team needed him. I'm sure teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Bears, etc. Would love to have a QB like that.
 
Flacco did outperform Brady and Manning in the playoffs, but like Eli, he has to win the big one to be taken seriously as an Elite QB.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']Flacco did outperform Brady and Manning in the playoffs, but like Eli, he has to win the big one to be taken seriously as an Elite QB.[/QUOTE]

Statistically he also had a couple games this year where he performed as bad as or worse then Sanchez...

Which is saying a lot... I mean Sanchez has his own "butt fumble" T-shirt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH2eNHVZp7M
 
The problem with "elite" QBs is that everyone is trying to be called or thought of as one of them. You got the four elites Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. Everyone else is great, good, eh, or sucks.
 
I'm so sick of hearing about who is "elite" and not. If Colin Kaepernick leads the Niners to the win next Sunday is he now elite?

You would think by now people would recognize the NFL is a game by game league. Flacco is a franchise QB and he outplayed Brady last game. Who cares about anything else?
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I'm so sick of hearing about who is "elite" and not. If Colin Kaepernick leads the Niners to the win next Sunday is he now elite?

You would think by now people would recognize the NFL is a game by game league. Flacco is a franchise QB and he outplayed Brady last game. Who cares about anything else?[/QUOTE]
The people that need something to talk about all of the time or else they might risk having nothing to do until the next big event happens.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Yeah, the way Flacco intercepted those passes, recovered those fumbles, ran the ball so hard, and kicked that game winning field goal, he is just so great.[/QUOTE]

Too bad your too much of a dumb ass to realize what i said went completely over your head.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I'm so sick of hearing about who is "elite" and not. If Colin Kaepernick leads the Niners to the win next Sunday is he now elite?

You would think by now people would recognize the NFL is a game by game league. Flacco is a franchise QB and he outplayed Brady last game. Who cares about anything else?[/QUOTE]

I mostly agree, but I also feel like "elite" is basically replacing the term "Hall of Famer". If you're talking "Hall of Famer", then Flacco isn't there (at least yet). Nor is Romo. Nor is Cutler. Nor is Rivers. Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are though. And really, I think Eli is too. I think somewhere along the line, people just decided that "elite" was just a much cooler way of saying it...and of course, that's the exact moment it became lame as shit, lol.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']The elite QB argument is one of the dumbest things ever and epitomizes why I hate ESPN.[/QUOTE]
So much this.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I mostly agree, but I also feel like "elite" is basically replacing the term "Hall of Famer". If you're talking "Hall of Famer", then Flacco isn't there (at least yet). Nor is Romo. Nor is Cutler. Nor is Rivers. Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are though. And really, I think Eli is too. I think somewhere along the line, people just decided that "elite" was just a much cooler way of saying it...and of course, that's the exact moment it became lame as shit, lol.[/QUOTE]
If that were true, then the discussion is even more stupid than it was before.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If that were true, then the discussion is even more stupid than it was before.[/QUOTE]

Discussing who is a future Hall of Famer is stupid? I'd agree for guys who are early in their career who haven't even had time to form an identity yet. It's a waste of time speculating whether or not RGIII or Andrew Luck is "elite yet". But acknowledging when a QB has put himself on a level to be considered a "legend" has been going on for decades. To me, it also limits the discussion by excluding your wannabes like Romo, Cutler, Rivers, etc. But once a guy has done enough to be considered a lock for the Hall of Fame, he probably deserves a little recognition.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Discussing who is a future Hall of Famer is stupid? I'd agree for guys who are early in their career who haven't even had time to form an identity yet. It's a waste of time speculating whether or not RGIII or Andrew Luck is "elite yet". But acknowledging when a QB has put himself on a level to be considered a "legend" has been going on for decades. To me, it also limits the discussion by excluding your wannabes like Romo, Cutler, Rivers, etc. But once a guy has done enough to be considered a lock for the Hall of Fame, he probably deserves a little recognition.[/QUOTE]
No, the notion that "Elite" QB discussion is really meant to be a discussion about them being Hall of Famers instead. Nobody would argue for any of those QBs as Hall of Famers since they haven't won anything of note.
 
If Rodgers broke his neck tomorrow and never played again he's a HOF'er? I have a hard time with that, Kurt Warner is considered borderline.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I'm so sick of hearing about who is "elite" and not. If Colin Kaepernick leads the Niners to the win next Sunday is he now elite?

You would think by now people would recognize the NFL is a game by game league. Flacco is a franchise QB and he outplayed Brady last game. Who cares about anything else?[/QUOTE]

If my niners win, ESPN will name Colin an "Elite Rookie" QB.

But RG3 should really consider learning from Russel Wilson and Colin Kaepernick, or else he's gonna have a very short career. His body is nothing like Cam's, yet he thinks he can take any hit. I'm sure he's going to be constantly injured each year just like Vick :hot:
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']The amount of belly-aching in here is hilarious. Go look at the stats. Flacco did outperform both Manning and Brady. Sure, he didn't single-handedly win the game. But he stepped up in high pressure situations when his team needed him. I'm sure teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Bears, etc. Would love to have a QB like that.[/QUOTE]
Manning and Brady where also both up against the raven's defense, Flacco was not.

I'm sure teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Bears ect... would all prefer to have a defense like the ravens rather than, a slightly better than average QB like Flacco.
Just look at what the ravens did when there key defenseive players where injured during the season.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Manning and Brady where also both up against the raven's defense, Flacco was not.

I'm sure teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Bears ect... would all prefer to have a defense like the ravens rather than, a slightly better than average QB like Flacco.
Just look at what the ravens did when there key defenseive players where injured during the season.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't the Bronco's one of the leading defenses in the league while the Ravens sat in the middle of the field this year in defense ranking?
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Manning and Brady where also both up against the raven's defense, Flacco was not.
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Manning and the Broncos put up 35 on the Ravens, that doesn't make the defense look very good.

Flacco pretty much made the big play of that game with that last series with a minute left in the 4th quarter not the D.

You know what though, he has to face the 49ers defense which will probably be a lot more scarier than facing Baltimore's D.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Manning and Brady where also both up against the raven's defense, Flacco was not.

I'm sure teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Bears ect... would all prefer to have a defense like the ravens rather than, a slightly better than average QB like Flacco.
Just look at what the ravens did when there key defenseive players where injured during the season.[/QUOTE]

LOL...WTF??? Did you just suggest that the Texans and Bears don't have good defenses? Are you serious? The Ravens defense doesn't make Flacco complete 60% of his passes and throw 3 TDs with 0 INTs. Sure, they're not numbers that blow you away. But he didn't make the mistakes that Peyton or Brady did either. He's a solid QB and he makes the plays when he needs to. In today's NFL, that's good enough.
 
As a Patriots fan, I have to give Flacco credit for his play Sunday. He didnt have numbers that blew you away but he sure didnt have any big mistakes that cost his team either.
 
Who the F cares about a second tier QB like Flacco outside Baltimore? He's played good but no one fears him. Any halfway decent QB could've made that tying pass in Denver...coverage was blown fom the start of the play.

He's a good QB but not the kind to take over a game....yet.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Who the F cares about a second tier QB like Flacco outside Baltimore? He's played good but no one fears him. Any halfway decent QB could've made that tying pass in Denver...coverage was blown fom the start of the play.

He's a good QB but not the kind to take over a game....yet.[/QUOTE]


Hi John Fox
 
[quote name='usickenme']Any halfway decent QB could've made that tying pass in Denver.[/QUOTE]

Yea...no. Accuracy is definitely an issue, but very, very few QBs top Flacco in pure arm strength. Brady and Manning no longer are able to throw it that far and Rodgers and Brees cannot throw it 60 yards like that.
 
3 days later and I still hate Bernard Pollard, Ravens will extend his contract just because he is one player that causes Mayhem (latterly every game) to the Patriots, no matter the year or situation.

Flacco is an avg quarterback no doubt, he is in the same beer league as Tony Romo. They both have shinning moments where analyze will get a hard on "OMGZ did you seez dat, I think he is an elite QB" one week, but then a week later shit all over Romo because he is in fact a avg to below avg QB.
 
After last season, All I heard Eli Manning is Elite QB, sure he won 2 Superbowls, but it takes a team to win, not the goofy brother of a future HOF. We saw how bad Eli played this year, even Romo out played him somehow.

Their are only 2 current elite QB's today, and if their career ended tomorrow, they would be in the Hall of Fame, Brady and Peyton Manning. Now as far as the other quote on quote elite QB's Bree's and Rodgers, they still have a few years to cement their legacy, but nope not elite in my book yet.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']Yea...no. Accuracy is definitely an issue, but very, very few QBs top Flacco in pure arm strength. Brady and Manning no longer are able to throw it that far and Rodgers and Brees cannot throw it 60 yards like that.[/QUOTE]

Brady was never known for his arm strength, his biggest asset just like Manning is controlling and manipulating the defense at the line.

P.S Patriots need a speedy good hands WR (Deep threat, the way Randy Moss was to us) to line up on the outside along with Brandon Lloyd next year. That would give Welker in the slot, Gronk and Hernandez on the inside, and Lloyd & a fast WR on the outside. That would be a hell of a lineup, and now that this pistol formation (RGIII, Wilson, Capranick) crap is becoming popular in the NFL almost instantly pretty much in a single season. Brady and Patriots don't have a prayer at running pistol, so they probably have 3 or 4 more years to get another ring before Brady retires.
 
[quote name='Poor2More']3 days later and I still hate Bernard Pollard, Ravens will extend his contract just because he is one player that causes Mayhem (latterly every game) to the Patriots, no matter the year or situation.

Flacco is an avg quarterback no doubt, he is in the same beer league as Tony Romo. They both have shinning moments where analyze will get a hard on "OMGZ did you seez dat, I think he is an elite QB" one week, but then a week later shit all over Romo because he is in fact a avg to below avg QB.[/QUOTE]

If Romo had Flaccos running game he wouldnt get near the hate he does. Also Romo is not an average QB. He is just prone to having a bad game. He needs a running game and a better playcaller to truly shine.
 
[quote name='renique46']Hi John Fox[/QUOTE]

oh I am sure John Fox definitely cares about Flacco's play. Nice try though, One game doesn't make a career. Geez you probably think Dilfer should be in the HOF too.
 
[quote name='usickenme']oh I am sure John Fox definitely cares about Flacco's play. Nice try though, One game doesn't make a career. Geez you probably think Dilfer should be in the HOF too.[/QUOTE]

Dilfer didn't lead the Ravens to their SB win. The Ravens wouldn't be in New Orleans if not for Flacco. Yes, the running game has helped, but the Ravens passing game has done 80% of the damage. His postseason so far has factually been one of the best any QB has ever had. If he somehow manages to throw 4 TDs without an INT, it WILL be the best.

Ravens should have sacked Cam Cameron 2 years ago. Team would have won the Super Bowl last year.
 
LMAO seriously NFL is investigating the slide by Tom Brady, when he made slight contact with Ed Reed. Brady has since called and appologize to Reed, but we all know Brady is top 3 in the most uncoordinated players in the NFL. Pollard (Yea that saint of a player) says Brady knew exactly what he was trying to do when he tried to clip Reed.

NFL, no clue why your wasting time on such a none factor play where nothing even happened........dont you guys got a Pro Bowl to worry about.....The world is watching lol
 
I honestly wouldn't think anything of the play personally, except for that extra leg kick/extending motion when he makes contact with Reed. Other players have been fined for similar plays during the year, I don't see why Brady shouldn't.
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[quote name='JP']Wasn't the Bronco's one of the leading defenses in the league while the Ravens sat in the middle of the field this year in defense ranking?[/QUOTE]
Way to read :roll:, Ravens had key defensive players out all year, while Denver was off playing the raiders and the chiefs twice.

[quote name='Nate Nanjo']Manning and the Broncos put up 35 on the Ravens, that doesn't make the defense look very good..[/QUOTE]
Wow an elite QB put up lots of points dispite playing a good defense, unheard of.
I guess The 49's must have a bad defense also bad because Rodgers and Brady put up points against them.

[quote name='Nate Nanjo']
Flacco pretty much made the big play of that game with that last series with a minute left in the 4th quarter not the D.[/QUOTE]
You mean that lob up into the air to wide open recier, after the defense managed to get the ball back after only losing about 1:30 in time on the clock.
[quote name='Nate Nanjo']
You know what though, he has to face the 49ers defense which will probably be a lot more scarier than facing Baltimore's D.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']LOL...WTF??? Did you just suggest that the Texans and Bears don't have good defenses? Are you serious?[/QUOTE]

No just that they rather have some of Baltimores defensive talent, rather than a QB that is probably no better than the ones that the currently have.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']
The Ravens defense doesn't make Flacco complete 60% of his passes and throw 3 TDs with 0 INTs. [/QUOTE]
No he made some good plays on defenses known for giving up big plays. He also threw at least 3 ball straight in to the hands of the defenders with the game on the line and was saved by their inability to hold on or stay in bounds.
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Sure, they're not numbers that blow you away. But he didn't make the mistakes that Peyton or Brady did either.[/QUOTE]
And Peyton and Brady where both up against a much better defense.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']
He's a solid QB and he makes the plays when he needs to. In today's NFL, that's good enough.[/QUOTE]
Which is my point, he is not elite, nor do the Ravens need him to be elite to win.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Way to read :roll:, Ravens had key defensive players out all year, while Denver was off playing the raiders and the chiefs twice.[/QUOTE]
Webb is the only guy who was out all year. Suggs, Lewis, and Ngata were only about 70% healthy, but the rest of the Ravens players that had good years last year sucked this year, specifically the DL. They have been unable to destroy an offensive line with relative consistency all year. I will admit that Danell Ellerbe and Corey Graham have stepped up huge. Especially glad for Ellerbe since Baltimore wanted him gone last year.


Wow an elite QB put up lots of points dispite playing a good defense, unheard of.
I guess The 49's must have a bad defense also bad because Rodgers and Brady put up points against them.
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To be fair, Manning only put 21 points on the Ravens D. The other 14 points were on the normally-awesome special teams.


You mean that lob up into the air to wide open recier, after the defense managed to get the ball back after only losing about 1:30 in time on the clock.
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And who else would be able to throw it like that?

No just that they rather have some of Baltimores defensive talent, rather than a QB that is probably no better than the ones that the currently have.
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That is like saying the Saints want to trade for Kapernick because of the bad year. Nobody is going to trade for someone when they have the position filled. I highly doubt Denver would be willing to trade Dumervil or Miller for Suggs/Kruger or Bailey/Moore for Graham/Reed.

No he made some good plays on defenses known for giving up big plays. He also threw at least 3 ball straight in to the hands of the defenders with the game on the line and was saved by their inability to hold on or stay in bounds.
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And? I have seen Manning, Brady, and Rodgers do that all the time. And Brees did that all year this year.

Which is my point, he is not elite, nor do the Ravens need him to be elite to win.
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And how exactly DO they win then? The 49ers greatest strength on offense (their rushing) is the Ravens greatest weakness (their crappy run defense). The Ravens run game is a shell of its former self. Pierce has been great, but Rice has been a horrible runner this year and works best off of screen passes. The only the Ravens win without Flacco leading the way is if every ball bounced their way.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']Come now, people. Flacco was SitLite but he is rapidly approaching PreLite[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is that shit? That article is so dumb.

[quote name='JP']I honestly wouldn't think anything of the play personally, except for that extra leg kick/extending motion when he makes contact with Reed. Other players have been fined for similar plays during the year, I don't see why Brady shouldn't.
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Agreed. It should at least be looked at by the league.
 
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