The "Nobody Watches TNA Wrestling" Wrestling Thread

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[quote name='Eltis']Thank you Pimp, Sporadic, and Myke. I told my wife about it last night and she seemed passively interested. I'm not terribly excited myself since I really don't follow Smackdown, but I would like to go to a show just to see what it's like live while stuffing my face with cheese-drenched nachos.

Regarding watching people enjoy the hell out of themslves... I concur. An old "smart" mark like myself can only envy the purity in that.[/QUOTE]


I would suggest trying to get tickets in the first few rows of stadium style seating instead of the floor (unless you are in the front few rows) - the signs and people who stare sideways at the big screen the whole time will get bothersome otherwise.
 
So the replays are back on Thursday? Pretty good move from Spike imo. Those who skip out on Monday's show for RAW instead can watch on Thursday and further their interest if TNA works on putting on good shows.

Then after a while if their product can get good and steadily stay entertaining they might have a chance of getting those viewers to watch them over WWE on Mondays.
 
[quote name='crr_1119']So the replays are back on Thursday? Pretty good move from Spike imo. Those who skip out on Monday's show for RAW instead can watch on Thursday and further their interest if TNA works on putting on good shows.

Then after a while if their product can get good and steadily stay entertaining they might have a chance of getting those viewers to watch them over WWE on Mondays.[/QUOTE]

Or Spike doesn't have enough episodes of Manswers to fill the 2 hour time slot.
 
No way. She lost her job because she had dignity and self-respect. I see her going back to Japan, really.

Something about her style makes me think she'll be the female Stan Hansen/Vader - not in terms of style, but career path, having a couple successful moments in the US, but the bulk of her popularity and money earned in Japan.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No way. She lost her job because she had dignity and self-respect. I see her going back to Japan, really.

Something about her style makes me think she'll be the female Stan Hansen/Vader - not in terms of style, but career path, having a couple successful moments in the US, but the bulk of her popularity and money earned in Japan.[/QUOTE]

I expect her to go to Japan as well, Myke. And I think you are spot on about how her career turns out. WWE might use her right at 1st, but how long before she's having a love affair with Mark Henry? I was joking about Wrestlicious.. no one wants to see that... and I mean that. :) I couldn't get through the "rap" in the 1st episode.
 
The only way I can see her in WWE is a short stint in an enforcer role, whether for a smaller male wrestler, or Vickie Guerrero to defend against Beth Phoenix.

The only 3 women in the company I see her even having anything resembling a match with are the obvious Gail Kim, Beth, and Mickie.
 
[quote name='crr_1119']So the replays are back on Thursday? Pretty good move from Spike imo. Those who skip out on Monday's show for RAW instead can watch on Thursday and further their interest if TNA works on putting on good shows.

Then after a while if their product can get good and steadily stay entertaining they might have a chance of getting those viewers to watch them over WWE on Mondays.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't anyone own a DVR? I record Raw, Impact, and ROH on Mondays and then watch them later in the night or the next day, skipping through all commercials.

Oh, and yay:

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I already showed you guys the DG USA gay strip club tickets, and the Hall of Fame tickets are e-tickets.
 
Every single WWE women's match I see shows that they couldn't give a fuck about wrestling talent. WWE women's matches aren't just bad, they're fucking *horrible*. I'm not saying that in an I'm-so-angry-grrr-WWE-does-everything-wrong sense, I'm just saying that as a matter of fact.

Their women's wrestlers are horrible, and the matches they put on are fucking horrible.

Kong would be misused there because of how they treat the division, not in terms of being pushed/not being pushed. Think of it like if WWE suddenly signed Beer Money, or 2003 America's Most Wanted. Given how WWE treats tag team wrestling, would you think it even possible that they could treat those tag teams properly? Of course not. If you want further proof, look at every 'cruiserweight' WWE has ever signed or let run with their CW/LHW title.
 
Melina's just out injured with a torn ACL, and Mickie's got a staph infection.

Oh, and I forgot Natalya. That makes 5.

Beth was just on Smackdown last week, although she didn't wrestle.

Gail appeared on Raw this past week, and wrestled the week before that.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Oh, and yay:


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I already showed you guys the DG USA gay strip club tickets, and the Hall of Fame tickets are e-tickets.[/QUOTE]

I am so damn envious of you right now.
 
I'm very fortunate to be able to go. I'll be going to a couple spring training baseball games, too, but here's my wrestling related schedule:

Friday- Ring of Honor

Saturday- Ring of Honor, WWE Hall of Fame, Dragon Gate USA, Mick Foley/Colt Cabana stand up comedy show (VIP tickets which get us a meet and greet with Foley)

Sunday- WWE Fan Axxess, WrestleMania XXVI

Monday- WWE Raw
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This will be my second WrestleMania (first was WM21), 3rd WWE PPV, and 4th wrestling PPV overall. And I'm going to SummerSlam again this year in LA, so come August, I will have attended all these events in a span of 1 year:

Everything mentioned above for WrestleMania weekend
XPW 10th Anniversary Show
Mick Foley and Colt Cabana's first ever standup show at the Hollywood Improv (night before SS 2009)
WWE SummerSlam 2009
TNA Bound For Glory 2009
WWE SummerSlam 2010

And then there are the various EWF indy shows I've gone to.

But fuck man... after paying for all those tickets and airfare, I'm dead broke.
 
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Yea all those must take quite the toll on your wallet. But they definitely seem worth it, I'd love to go to a WrestleMania event. Never have the money to spend on it though, unfortunately.

Should be great to see the MITB match live! Not to mention 'Taker and HBK trying to outdo themselves from their last WM match, and Edge vs. Jericho for the World Championship. Some great matches on the card.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Melina's just out injured with a torn ACL, and Mickie's got a staph infection.

Oh, and I forgot Natalya. That makes 5.

Beth was just on Smackdown last week, although she didn't wrestle.

Gail appeared on Raw this past week, and wrestled the week before that.[/QUOTE]Nattie might as well not be on that list. I think she's competed 5 times last year?

I'd put up with more Hart Dynasty though, just for more of her. :drool:
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Doesn't anyone own a DVR? I record Raw, Impact, and ROH on Mondays and then watch them later in the night or the next day, skipping through all commercials.

Oh, and yay:

I already showed you guys the DG USA gay strip club tickets, and the Hall of Fame tickets are e-tickets.[/QUOTE]

Wow, you are going to everything? Impressive.

I did a RoH/Wrestlemania weekend awhile back and it was a ton of fun. Is Ring Of Honor doing a meet and greet again this year?
 
The Wrestling Observer is reporting that although Jim Ross will not be brought back to WWE TV on a weekly basis right now, he will be calling WrestleMania along with Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole.

Ross recently signed a contract extension with WWE which is reportedly for a month, and he is currently negotiating a longer deal with the company.

The report also notes that Matt Stryker, Todd Grisham and Josh Matthews will be handling backstage interviews at WrestleMania.
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Good to know we'll hear JR soon. Sucks to hear that Cole will be with him.
 
headed to the TNA house show tonight, got the backstage passes.. talked my girl into going, will see how she handles it as a non wrestling fan haha.
 
Was trying to listen to the Monday Night Mayhem podcast while grading today. Matt Morgan had a lot of interesting things to say about himself as a person and wrestling in general. He showed some interesting complexity, presenting himself as a good person who is kind and helps others, but his competitive spirit is incredibly audacious. Additionally, he did a great job explaining something about pro wrestling that doesn't get a lot of due amongst smarks: predictability. We watch, he argues, for the predictability to some degree.

He argued that in the frame of, as kids, knowing no matter what would happen in a Hulk Hogan match, he would *always* "Hulk up" at some point. You knew it was coming, you always expected it, but it was something you marked out for. He tries to contrast that with criticisms of John Cena's style of matches in this era.

I think he's onto something here. I also think that pro wrestling is vastly different than 20-25 years ago, our culture is vastly different, and thus while his comparisons are made in good faith, I don't think that it's perfectly ok to say "well, we loved predictability in Hogan's matches, so we should therefore love it in Cena's."

It's an interesting viewpoint to be sure, and shows Morgan's a smart guy who knows and understands wrestling.
 
How many things in wrestling are predictable but still mark-out worthy?

RVD's debut (until it actually happened)
Tazz's debut in the WWF
tag team match "hot tags"
...others?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']How many things in wrestling are predictable but still mark-out worthy?

RVD's debut (until it actually happened)
Tazz's debut in the WWF
tag team match "hot tags"
...others?[/QUOTE]

I marked out BAD for Jericho's original WWF Debut. I knew he was the guy, but when "JERICHO" appeared on the tron that night my friends and I stood and cheered...in the living room.
 
There's nothing to discuss. TNA needs to fire its writers, bring in some fresh eyes that are willing to treat their wrestlers and their viewers with dignity and respect.

Here's TNA's biggest problem: nobody is talking about what talent TNA needs to bring in to succeed. They're not lacking for marquee names, they're not lacking for a prominent time slot. They have all the resources they need, but their show is written like a piece of shit.

Serves them right for keeping Bubba Sponge and firing Kong.

Their show needs a 180-degree change in terms of production and style. They've shown that they can't move the ratings *up* an iota, no matter the talent on their payroll. They need some hardcore introspection, but I don't think they'll get there. Maybe once they have 6 weeks of 0.5 ratings on Mondays, come mid-June, then they'll have that insight. But as long as they book crash tv, as long as they produce trash tv, as long as they lack simple respect for pro wrestling as an art and storytelling as an idea, then folks will stop watching them.

Maybe TNA hasn't yet experienced their lower limit after all.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There's nothing to discuss. TNA needs to fire its writers, bring in some fresh eyes that are willing to treat their wrestlers and their viewers with dignity and respect.

Here's TNA's biggest problem: nobody is talking about what talent TNA needs to bring in to succeed. They're not lacking for marquee names, they're not lacking for a prominent time slot. They have all the resources they need, but their show is written like a piece of shit.

Serves them right for keeping Bubba Sponge and firing Kong.

Their show needs a 180-degree change in terms of production and style. They've shown that they can't move the ratings *up* an iota, no matter the talent on their payroll. They need some hardcore introspection, but I don't think they'll get there. Maybe once they have 6 weeks of 0.5 ratings on Mondays, come mid-June, then they'll have that insight. But as long as they book crash tv, as long as they produce trash tv, as long as they lack simple respect for pro wrestling as an art and storytelling as an idea, then folks will stop watching them.

Maybe TNA hasn't yet experienced their lower limit after all.[/QUOTE]

Bingo. Is it that hard in 2010 to have a "talent" and "realistic" style format and presentation? You're on the network that airs UFC and clearly they are making money (hand over fist). It's not that hard to present the wrestling and present the show as a "sport". We know it's "fake", but the fun is in WHAT happens.

What's worse is that the UFC's model is based on selling PPVs. TNA gives 2 shits about their PPV business.
 
[quote name='crr_1119']Yea all those must take quite the toll on your wallet. But they definitely seem worth it, I'd love to go to a WrestleMania event. Never have the money to spend on it though, unfortunately.

Should be great to see the MITB match live! Not to mention 'Taker and HBK trying to outdo themselves from their last WM match, and Edge vs. Jericho for the World Championship. Some great matches on the card.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the last WM I went to was the first MITB with Edge winning, Undertaker vs. Orton, Batista and Cena winning their first world titles from Triple H and JBL, my favorite match of all time- Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels- and, unfortunately, Big Show vs. Akebono in a sumo match (worst match ever) and Trish Startus vs. Christy Hemme. There was also a 30 man pre-show battle royal, which Booker T won after eliminating Chris Masters followed by Viscera. The card for this year looks better.

Are you in southern California? If so, you could get tickets to SummerSlam this year.

Sporadic, I believe ROH is having a fan fest before the Friday show.
 
Smackdown's been over for hours in the rest of the country, and just ended here on the west coast. No comments. New record?

I haven't watched it yet. I was waiting for it to finish so I could skip commercials on the DVR.
 
SD was alright, nothing special outside of the post-match beatdown with Mysterio and Gallows.

I really want the studio version of McIntyre's theme.
 
Went to a CMLL show tonight.. didn't understand anything or know anyone besides Mistico.. who is apparently a pansy bitch heel. He was attacking his partner for no real reason.. didn't make much sense to me. As far as the wrestling? It was good... a little too spotty for me, all the wrestlers had the same style too... except for one or two comedy acts. Every wrestler was tilt-a-whirl > hurricarana > high impact move > pin. I'm pretty disappointed to see TNA in the state it's currently in. I've been a TNA fan for a long time now... there's something that I'll always love about the show.. the company.. the atmosphere. I don't know what to think anymore. Such a talented roster... mostly going to waste. :(
 
CMLL... in Maryland? Or are you traveling? But that's pretty much how all lucha libre is. Did the rudo ref kick the technico ref in the nuts?
 
I hope TNA survives long enough for me to get a sequel to "Ready to Rumble." I've been dying to know what happened to Jimmy King following the downfall of WCW.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']No, I'm in Mexico City for the week... sorry Matt not familiar with those terms. :][/QUOTE]

The faces are called technicos, and the heels are called rudos. It seems like, half the time when I watch CMLL, the heel ref will kick the face ref in the balls.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I hope TNA survives long enough for me to get a sequel to "Ready to Rumble." I've been dying to know what happened to Jimmy King following the downfall of WCW.[/QUOTE]

I'd settle for a 7-minute featurette showing King working in a convenience store (a la Dante), watching TNA Impact while on the clock. The big reveal would be that he's more satisfied in his current career path than if he went to TNA.
 
I've got the DVD, and I watched it again a week or so ago. Looking at it now, it's certainly not the worst wrestling storyline I've ever seen.

[quote name='mykevermin']I'd settle for a 7-minute featurette showing King working in a convenience store (a la Dante), watching TNA Impact while on the clock. The big reveal would be that he's more satisfied in his current career path than if he went to TNA.[/QUOTE]:lol:
 
TNA house show was pretty cool last night. Got to meet and get pictures with Motorcity Machineguns, Generation Me, and Homicide backstage during intermission. Pretty decent crowd about 2,500.
 
Oh that's right.. I seem to recall my girl explaining the whole "rudos" = bad guys who wear dark colors thing to me, but I was too busy trying to understand what was going on in the ring. You guys complain about WWE's and TNA's booking/storylines... they're Sociology 101 textbooks compared to CMLL. :]
 
gonna ask this one, but is anyone else as surprised as i am that kofi kingston is apparently going to be missing wrestlemania this year
 
[quote name='JJSP']I'm shocked he's off the card so far and Ziggler, R-Truth, and Swagger are in.[/QUOTE]

when he didnt get the 8th spot in MITB i was shocked. apparently on superstars they announced it as a 10 man match. but so far, no tenth wrestler. im kinda hoping they add kofi monday. cause in january i wouldve picked him to be one of the first guys in the match and the odds on favorite to win
 
3 black people in MITB is too many for Vince.

Also, on the political side of things, the "conservative" Senate candidate Linda McMahon is under fire for something new. Her credibility as a 'conservative' is under fire since she and Vince own a speed boat licensed in Florida under the name "Sexy Bitch."
 
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