The "Nobody Watches TNA Wrestling" Wrestling Thread

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... You would think a Veteran of CAG would have noticed the ongoing wrestling threads in here by now.

... You might also think that anyone who has been here a year at least would know if you don't like a thread, don't read it. It is a pretty simple concept, is it not?


Apparently, you would be wrong on both counts, thanks to this douchebag.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Totally unproductive day at work thanks to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAAJl45o5Fc[/QUOTE]

Ha, same here. I justified it by saying it was ok since it was my birthday.

I thought it was good, although at this point we've seen and heard pretty much everything so there wasn't much in the way of new info. I thought the first part and especially the last part were good.

[quote name='Sigma']I am too knowledgeable of a wrestling fan to sit here and argue with internet smarks like you[/QUOTE]

...you're too much of a smark to argue with smarks. Gotcha.

And let me clear something up for you - everyone reading this is a mark. This means you.
 
[quote name='rockstarnati']What a stupid ass thread.[/QUOTE]

Hey, TNA's own Alex Shelley!

I want to demonstrate via a list how bad TNA's booking is. Here's the list of things booked into a single match for this coming Monday's Impact:
1) "manager" ejection (Flair)
2) manager run-in
3) manager distraction of ref
4) ref bump
5) false babyface pin
6) "general manager" run-in
7) heel low-blow for the pin

Now, you could fit, say, 3 or 4 of those on there and that would be fine. It's PPV main event brawl-all-over-the-arena fine (like your average Stone Cold Steve Austin WWF PPV main event). But ALL SEVEN? IN A TEE VEE MATCH? Come on, dude. That's the very definition of overbooked. It's not the finish, it's not the feud(s) involved, it's not a could-be-a-PPV match 5 months from now given away for free on TV. It's Russo's gatling gun of shit going on.
 
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and subsequently dying of alcohol poisoning.

I've decided that I need to try and go somewhere to watch WM this weekend. At least catch the Undertaker/HBK match. I'm leaning towards Buffalo Wild Wings as they're the only nearby place that I'm almost positive will have the PPV. Do you all think it'll be the second to last match? I'm thinking Cena/Batista will be the final match while Edge/Jericho will come before UT/HBK.
 
I don't know when UT/Michaels will be on. I have a feeling it'll be the main event, but I can't say for sure. I kinda prefer title matches to be the last match of the event, to be honest, but I can see how that match would be an exception.
 
This is my predicted match order:

Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk
Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Ted DiBiase
Money in the Bank
ShoMiz vs. John Morrison & R-Truth
Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon
Triple H vs. Sheamus
Chris Jericho vs. Edge
Batista vs. John Cena
The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels
 
I would not be surprised if one of the big three (likely Cena/Batista) opens the show. WWE likes to book it big match/little match/big match, and there's not enough little matches to act as "breathers" between the big stuff.

To get a huge crowd pop, they're going to need to put one of their big matches up front so people aren't worn out after two title matches and Taker/HBK one after another.

MITB spoiler
Dave Meltzer reports that Drew McIntyre is already booked for upcoming matches with Edge, and therefore is the favorite to win the Money in the Bank ladder. At this point, Christian is considered a "dark horse" to win.
 
Match order isn't as important as giving fans a breather. So they may cluster the two title matches together along with UT/HBK, but going by the itinerary Matt Young posted, they'll be at Bret/Vince by 8:30PM. They'll have lots of video packages, diva crap filler, trot out the hall of fame folks, and possibly a Santino sketch just to keep the crowd from getting burnt out.

Something Ring of Honor never learned to do.

Let's think through this:
intro videos, legal screens, announcers intro, star spangled banner: 8:00-8:08
CM Punk/Rey Mysterio intros: 8:08-8:11
Match: 8:11-8:23
match highlights and short video package on Legacy feud: 8:23-8:26
Match 2 intros: 8:26-8:30
Match 2: 8:30-8:39
match highlights, some filler like showing the NXT guys sitting in the crowd: 8:39-8:40
some video package (HBK/UT? wrestlemania highlights from previous years? MITB?) 8:40-8:44
MITB intros: 8:44-8:51
MITB match 8:51-9:07
match highlights: 9:07-9:09
Video package on Show/Miz 9:09-9:11
Match 4 intros: 9:12-9:14
Match 4: 9:14-9:21
Match 4 outro: 9:21-9:22
Bret/Vince video package: 9:23-9:28
...and you got 2 minutes wiggle room, man. give me a job booking your show!

(put everything back an hour, obviously I had the wrong start time of 8PM).
 
No way will they triple stack the title matches and HBK/UT. Edge/Jericho will close out with Edge winning and HBK/UT will happen sometime after 9:00. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cena/Batista as early as 8:30. If MITB is used the same night then one of the title matches will almost certainly be early.

I actually find the layout of the show almost as interesting as the show itself. I always wonder how things are done behind the scenes at big events like this, not just wrestling. The amount of coordination required is just ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I don't know when UT/Michaels will be on. I have a feeling it'll be the main event, but I can't say for sure. I kinda prefer title matches to be the last match of the event, to be honest, but I can see how that match would be an exception.[/QUOTE]

Let's hope they learned from their mistake last year and make it the final match of the night. If it's anything like last year's match, there's no way Cena/Tista or Edge/Jericho can top that.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']Let's hope they learned from their mistake last year and make it the final match of the night. If it's anything like last year's match, there's no way Cena/Tista or Edge/Jericho can top that.[/QUOTE]

I agree but I just don't see them relegating both title matches to the undercard. It would be nice, though, to have the true main event as the actual main event.
 
I could see Undertaker/Michaels near the end of the card, then some sort of bathroom break/Diva Match/backstage thing, then Cena/Batista to close with Cena winning.

I'd love it if both Batista and Jericho retained, but I know that won't happen. I can't even begin to think about who I would want to retain. Batista winning would be fun for a couple of weeks, but I think that Jericho winning would be superb.

ESPECIALLY if Jericho hams it up and has the confetti falling on him and the whole nine yards.
 
I think Undertaker/HBK should be the last match. It's either going to be the end of the streak or the end of the career. Seeing Edge or Cena win their 10th championship each is nowhere near as big. Plus this the #1 match a majority of the fans want to see and the biggest possible chance for a 5 star match. Fans are going to cheer loud and exert every ounce of energy. They are going to empty the gas tank and be dead after.

Wasn't Jericho/HHH right after Hogan/Rock? And then last year with Undertaker/Michaels.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I think Undertaker/HBK should be the last match. It's either going to be the end of the streak or the end of the career.[/QUOTE]

point taken overall, but not even the end of Flair's career got top billing at WM24.

The problem with HBK/UT going on last is that WM should ideally end on a high note sending fans and the crowd home happy - and the end of UT/HBK is going to be stunning for the crowd no matter the outcome.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I could see Undertaker/Michaels near the end of the card, then some sort of bathroom break/Diva Match/backstage thing, then Cena/Batista to close with Cena winning.

I'd love it if both Batista and Jericho retained, but I know that won't happen. I can't even begin to think about who I would want to retain. Batista winning would be fun for a couple of weeks, but I think that Jericho winning would be superb.

ESPECIALLY if Jericho hams it up and has the confetti falling on him and the whole nine yards.[/QUOTE]

IMO, Cena/Batista won't go on later than Edge/Jericho. With Edge returning from injury and winning the RR his story is the more dramatic. Without doing the research, I think it's safe to speculate that the RR winner's title shot has (almost) always been later than the other title match to give it a little more significance. Otherwise, what's the point of the 2 month build? The most prominent example would be Benoit he-who-shall-not-be-named having his match last at XX after his big RR win, over TBS no less.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']point taken overall, but not even the end of Flair's career got top billing at WM24.

The problem with HBK/UT going on last is that WM should ideally end on a high note sending fans and the crowd home happy - and the end of UT/HBK is going to be stunning for the crowd no matter the outcome.[/QUOTE]


Flair was a gimpy 60 year old who retired several times before and was 15 years past his prime. Plus he was a WCW guy. Michaels and Undertaker are two of the top 10 ever WWE wrestlers and have a TON of history together going back to 1997. Plus after last year, you know they can both bring the goods and do a 4 star match at the very least.

Cena or Edge winning their 10000th title in the past 3 years is eh and anti climatic to me. I am sure both Title matches would be good to great but the finish is going to be nothing new. Michaels retiring or Undertaker losing the streak is fresh and the main story at WM 26. The only way I could see the title match finishing last is Edge/Jericho and that is having the MiTB winner cash in and win. I predict Christian cashing in beating the winner. WWE doesn't have the balls to do it against Cena/Batista winner.

Having the MiTB winner go over and win the championship at WM 26 would get a guy over instantly overnight in front of 100'000 people and tens of millions watching on PPV. I am shocked that the WWE hasn't done it yet.
 
Christian won't ever win a major singles in WWE, and anyone who thinks he's on McMahon's radar is delusional. Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick, but that's life.
 
They're probably in negotiations for the Hall of Fame for next year. There was a rumor that they were running out of "main eventers" to induct.
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']They're probably in negotiations for the Hall of Fame for next year. There was a rumor that they were running out of "main eventers" to induct.
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His tweet comes off alot more important than just that. Why would they announce the HOF for next year? Why even announce negotiating with the WWE if it is just for Guest Host or merchandise deal as well. Why rub it in TNA's face if it is nothing? Doesn't make too much sense.
 
[quote name='bornrunnin31']Guest host? I don't see him having another long run in the ring.[/QUOTE]


Just based off his tweet, how is TNA missing out on him if he is coming back for 3 crappy segments on MNR and then go back to never being seen again in the wrestling world?
 
Goldberg was fun to watch during his first run to the WCW tile but after that he lost his mystique. You can sustain something like that for only so long.

Now, Gillberg...
 
[quote name='wildcpac']His tweet comes off alot more important than just that. Why would they announce the HOF for next year? Why even announce negotiating with the WWE if it is just for Guest Host or merchandise deal as well. Why rub it in TNA's face if it is nothing? Doesn't make too much sense.[/QUOTE]

Could be doing it to generate TNA interest?
 
McMahon is trying to sign Goldberg to end Bret's career for a second time.
 
While Goldberg has been critical of WWE since his departure from the organization in 2004 and repeatedly said he had no interest in returning to wrestle, he acknowledged a change in heart.

"Truth is I never thought I'd even consider it...then came my son," Goldberg said. "No one said I'd wrestle but the door is open again."

He also added that if he ever steps foot inside a ring again, it will be alongside San Diego Chargers outside linebacker Shawne Merriman. The three-time Pro Bowler is a huge WWE fan to say the least, so much so that he asked their Twitter account on Monday if he could participate in the live chat on WWE.com.

"Also.... If I ever did step in the ring again, I have a new tag partner. He goes by the name of "Lights Out!!!! the one and only Shawn Merriman.....updating the old Goldberg/Kevin Greene duo," Goldberg wrote.

Goldberg can be seen on Donald Trump's reality series The Celebrity Apprentice currently airing on NBC.



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http://www.pwpix.net.../271493088.php#
 
[quote name='wildcpac']"Also.... If I ever did step in the ring again, I have a new tag partner. He goes by the name of "Lights Out!!!! the one and only Shawn Merriman[/QUOTE]

Pff. Lights Out is James Toney. And that would be much more entertaining.


Re: WM match order...

Usually I feel pretty confident I have a good idea of how it'll play out, but that's not the case this time. Everyone and their mother insisted UT/Shawn should have gone last year - and I agree. This year is different though. For one, the match probably won't be as good. More importantly, I smell some kind of goofy shenanigans that lead to the conclusion of the match, and that's probably not the way they want to end the show. I'd guess Cena/Batista closes it out.

I think Jericho & Edge will be the middle of the show, similar to Undertaker & Batista from WM23, which will be followed by Bret vs. Vince, then a cooldown match, then Taker/Shawn, then Batista/Cena.
 
Usually I feel pretty confident I have a good idea of match order, but that's not the case this time. Everyone and their mother insisted UT/Shawn should have gone last year - and I agree. This year is different though. For one, the match probably won't be as good. More importantly, I smell some kind of goofy shenanigans that lead to the conclusion of the match, and that's probably not the way they want to end the show. I'd guess Cena/Batista closes it out.

I think Jericho & Edge will be the middle of the show, similar to Undertaker & Batista from WM23, which will be followed by Bret vs. Vince, then a cooldown match, then Taker/Shawn, then Batista/Cena.
 
Vince McMahon on TNA:

"We’re in different businesses,” Mr. McMahon said. “We’re in the entertainment business and they’re in the ‘pro wrasslin’ business. It’s different markets. When they moved to Monday nights they threw the kitchen sink at us and only did a fraction of our audience. It doesn’t speak well for the type of product they’re trying to present with the tawdry, blood-soaked action. I don’t think that’s what the culture wants these days.”
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Daaaamn. Now, of course, most of us roll our eyes at the "entertainment business" framing McMahon has done for years (decades?). And he clearly expresses his disdain for "pro wrestling" more than we've ever seen. But above it all, dude's got a point. TNA threw the kitchen sink at WWE and didn't do a thing. And has done worse for themselves in the process.
 
Vince is spot-on. I'm sure he's as much a mark for a solid wrestling match as any of us are, but wrestling matches don't sell tickets and PPV's. It's all about the overall product, and there's nobody that can touch Vince in that regard.
 
it's the overall product, though.

raw guest hosts haven't done anything for ratings, merch, or PPV buys.

yes, it's the comprehensive product - you can't just send out two guys who nobody knows and have a match fans would care about. I get that. but you can't omit the wrestling as much as McMahon does (and TNA does even more).
 
I bet you Goldberg is doing that as a swerve and will show up in TNA as a surprise. Also Vince can brag about TNA not doing anything, but he's the idiot who lost around 3 million wrestling fans when he bought WCW and couldn't bring those fans over. Now TNA has about 1 million of those, so they're not doing that great either.
 
[quote name='Perfect*Ending']So tomorrow we're gonna have a CAG thread for WM full of justin.tv links, just like last year? :)[/QUOTE]


There is a site that charges 5.50 for the month and 60 bucks for the year that shows Live PPV's for members only. You can pay via paypal.
 
I figure shrike will be watching this thread like a hawk after the last couple WWE pay-per-views. That and any WWE PPV the past few months they've been pretty thorough in nailing anything mentioning WWE for a few hours building up to and about a day after.
 
Just ordered this, since it has been consistently out of stock at WWEShop and I don't want to chance not being able to get a large in the 70,000 seat stadium:

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Now, off to Phoenix!
 
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