The Official PlayStation Vita Thread - 11/4: FW 3.00 Coming Just in Time for the PS4 Launch!

Yoshida said that technology for remote play is in the hands of developers. There’s no telling if all games will be available for remote play, but Killzone 3 certainly is. Let’s cross our fingers that this awesome feature becomes widespread across PS3 games.
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So basically the same as the PSP. When I first saw him playing, I was thinking they were showing off the feature because _any_ game could do it. They really should have made this transparent to the developer, but I guess that would require changes on the PS3, though I would think a f/w update would do it. Well hopefully PS4 will bring that functionality.
 
It takes resources away from a game to do Remote Play, so I don't think you'll see a universal system until they have a system with more RAM to dedicate to that kind of stuff. I'm sure they've told developers about Remote Play for Vita.
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-24-ps3-firmware-to-enable-vita-remote-play-for-all-games

Speak of the devil, Eurogamer says that a future PS3 firmware update will enable Remote Play for all PS3 games. The catch is that the resolution will be locked at the PSP's resolution of 480x272, which should scale fine for the Vita's screen since that is exactly one-fourth the resolution of Vita's screen. Future games will have the option to include a 480p Remote Play mode so that it'll look better. This isn't an announcement by Sony, so take it with a grain of salt until something official is announced about it.
 
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011...ine-up-new-exclusive-games-and-more-revealed/

The EU PS Blog has a post after the Vita event that they had over there that has some new info like the first-party PAL launch lineup, Flickr support, and more info on AR games for launch:
PS Vita Launch Line-up

We can confirm that the following first party games will be available on 22 February 2012, when PlayStation Vita launches across PAL:

Uncharted: Golden Abyss
WipEout 2048
Reality Fighters
Little Deviants
ModNation Racers: Road Trip
Everybody’s Golf
Escape Plan
Unit 13
Hustle Kings
MotorStorm RC
Top Darts
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I'd bet that the NA launch lineup will be pretty much the same, which is a really good list for just the Sony games. Somebody on the NA blog said they'll be posting about the launch lineup in a few weeks, so I'm guessing that they're going to get third-parties on that list.

More games in development with no release dates:
Additionally, the following games are in development:
Army Corps of Hell, Square Enix;
Asphalt: Injection, Ubisoft;
Assassin’s Creed, Ubisoft;
Ben 10 Galactic Racing, Bandai Entertainment;
Bioshock, Take Two;
Call of Duty, Activision Blizzard
Disgaea 3 Return, NIS America;
Dragon’s Racing, Ignition Entertainment;
Dungeon Hunter: Alliance, Ubisoft;
Dynasty Warriors Next, Tecmo Koei;
EA Sports FIFA Football, EA;
F1 2011, Codemasters;
Lego Harry Potter: Years 5-7, WB Games;
Lumines Electronic Symphony, Ubisoft;
Michael Jackson: The Experience HD, Ubisoft;
Mortal Kombat, WB Games;
Ninja Gaiden (working title), Tecmo Koei;
OddWorld: Strangers Wrath, OddWorld Inhabitants;
Orc Attack, Casual Brothers;
Puddle, Neko Entertainment;
Pure Chess, RebelPlay;
Putty Squad Vita, System 3;
Rayman Origins, Ubisoft;
Robot Rescue Revolution, Teyon;
Ridge Racer, Bandai Namco;
Shinobido 2, Bandai Namco;
Silent Hill: Book of Memories, Konami;
Stardrone Extreme, BeatShapers;
Street Fighter X Tekken, Capcom;
Super Monkey Ball Banana Splitz, SEGA;
Supremacy MMA, 505 Games;
Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack, Drinkbox Studios;
Touch My Katamari, Bandai Namco;
The Treasures of Montezuma Blitz, Alawar Entertainment;
Troopies, Bloober Team;
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom, Capcom;
Urban Trials, Tate Multimedia;
Virtua Tennis 4: World Tour Edition, SEGA;
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Social Essentials Shown

We learned that Flickr is joining Twitter, Facebook and FourSquare in Social Essentials, PS Vita’s gateway into the most popular social media channels, and they were available to test at the London event. We’ll be showing you exactly how to Like, Tweet, Tag and all the rest here on PlayStation.Blog soon.

Augmented Reality Markers

Augmented Reality is one of the directions open to PlayStation Vita developers and it was announced that six Augmented Reality markers will be available at launch, with three games available to download for free from PlayStation Store. To see how these are going to be used, we saw this AR technology video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=45MY-U09KQE
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The AR stuff looks way more interesting than what was bundled with the 3DS, though I liked the Face Shooter game for the couple times that it was interesting.

There are a bunch of new press releases for Vita games since the event, so I'm looking through them to see if there is anything new or concrete on the games that we don't know much about yet.

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More info on the AR stuff:
At the PS Vita preview event, Michael Denny revealed the next phase in augmented reality for PlayStation. Six augmented reality cards will be available at launch with free games to download from PlayStation®Store. These will allow gamers to enjoy a selection of games that make full use of the impressive AR capabilities of PS Vita.

PlayStation also revealed that PS Vita will be the first games console to utilise WAAR (Wide Area Augmented Reality) technology. In contrast to familiar single-card AR, WAAR uses up to six cards and allows for a much larger gameplay area than gamers have previously experienced.

PS Vita will also support markerless AR, that can do away with cards altogether. The addition of this captivating technology means that gamers will have so much to play, and share, with PS Vita right out of the box.
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Urban Trials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6n9wBNOjc

Unit 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8z9puQwg0
 
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[quote name='snowsquirrel']Urban Trials. WTF?

At first I though it was a Trials HD for Vita. Is it Rage on a dirt bike?[/QUOTE]

Judging from the camera angle, it looks almost exactly like Trials HD. Fingers crossed because I really enjoy that game and would love to see it on the PSVita.
 
It is Trials HD in urban environments. I don't know why that trailer is so dramatic about a game like that.

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So a few months ago a few people here about shot me for saying the mem cards were $100 for the 32gb(which is the smallest acceptable size for a platform that does DL games). I was told that those were the Japanese prices and I shouldn't be judging things till official US pricing was announced. That has now been done and the mem card comes in at a whopping $120. This means to get a Vita it will now run $370 for anyone wanting to play downloaded games and not constantly be deleting stuff.

So whats the defense now? I really do not think there is one. I have seen so many damn people say the exact same thing as me, that this went from the most hyped I had been about a system possibly ever to...eh ill get it 2 years from now when prices drop. Even over at Destuctoid an employee of the site and of Sony pointed out how horribly expensive the cards are. People here can keep defending Sony and their idiotic pricing structure for this system, for UMDs and for downloadable games....but Sony is pricing themselves out of the market. Will this system sell enough to turn a profit and get some decent games? Hell yes it will. But will it ever truly achieve anything of note.

Sony just raised a white flag and told people keep buying apple products and play steam games on your laptop!
 
yeah... I'm going to wait until some third party makes a memory card adapter so I can use a micro SD card or something. I want to wait on this thing for a year or so but dammit Hot Shots Golf is my one true love.

EDIT: Also, what's the deal with the 3G version? I assume this requires a monthly fee? I have an iPad without it and it's just fine.
 
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Yea the pricing on the memory cards sucks and hopefully I could get a good discount on them at my work. I still don't understand how people defend apple products like the iPad though. The pricing on memory and 3G is worse
 
Pricing on their memory cards has always been real high and take a long time to go down in price. I'm a original PSP owner since 05 and have seen alot of things. The Vita here is looking at me after tax w/2 games + accesories $553.28 without adding a bigger memory card. It is alot more then when i got a PS3 + Game + Remote for around $300 in 07. I'm still getting it and can't wait. Ever since it was mentioned I've been saving up.
 
I'll be getting a bundle. Hoping for a wifi-only $300 bundle to hit the states via Best Buy/Amazon. A 4GB memory card is more than enough for me considering I'll be buying physical games for the foreseeable future. I have no problem deleting stuff until I can get a good deal on a 16GB.
 
[quote name='jello44']Oh Scamco...

That sounds horrible, it reminds me of what GT5 was rumored to be like.

Well, RR just went from buy to.. hahahaha no.[/QUOTE]
That was GTHD, not GT5.
 
I guess it's good that they're open to that from the start, though they were doing this kind of stuff with the PSP. The only problem was that a lot of publishers were out of touch when it comes to thinking that their niche games were worth $40 on a platform that was on its way out.
 
The memory card price is pretty insane, but that's the "Early Adapter" tax. Everyone agrees that Sony is putting in a lot of tech for a "competitive" price on a pound-for-pound comparison and losing money on each system. But without controllers and other accessories to help subsidize the system, memory cards are the only guaranteed way to make up some margins.

$30 is a lot for a 4 GB card but since I'll be buying mostly physical Vita games, it should be more than enough for the next several months.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']The memory card price is pretty insane, but that's the "Early Adapter" tax. Everyone agrees that Sony is putting in a lot of tech for a "competitive" price on a pound-for-pound comparison and losing money on each system. But without controllers and other accessories to help subsidize the system, memory cards are the only guaranteed way to make up some margins.

$30 is a lot for a 4 GB card but since I'll be buying mostly physical Vita games, it should be more than enough for the next several months.[/QUOTE]

Thing is they want people to download games and more and more the market is moving digital. With that being the case not having a HD built in to it doesnt make a lot of sense. I think they would have been better off completely skipping 3G as an option and instead had two systems both with wifi but one with a HD. $250 base model $300 with a 32gb(min)HD built in.
 
A 32 GB drive would push it closer to $350 for a version with internal storage that would have to be redesigned to accommodate it. The easiest way to do that would be a bundle with a 32 GB card for $350, though they don't really need any more SKUs out there to confuse people.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']A 32 GB drive would push it closer to $350 for a version with internal storage that would have to be redesigned to accommodate it. The easiest way to do that would be a bundle with a 32 GB card for $350, though they don't really need any more SKUs out there to confuse people.[/QUOTE]

If you look I said that they should have dropped the 3g model in favor of a HD model. I imagine that there are more people out there interested in a system with internal memory then they are a system with 3G. Most people will probably keep using their phones for any 3G related things they may need or want and I doubt that online gaming outside the home is important enough for most people to pay an extra $100 up front then a monthly fee to boot. Meanwhile a solid amount of storage(again 32gb is a minimum not a max)would be much more enticing to people for an extra $50. I think $350 is just far too hard of a sell for a handheld system.

Regardless the mistake has already been made and I see Sony paying dearly for it. I know at least 4 people who were if not day 1 buying this were buying it right away....all of them and myself all now intend to wait a year and get one on sale or used. I have also had 2 friends say they will now wait for a hacked model to have free games make up the pricing.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']The memory card price is pretty insane, but that's the "Early Adapter" tax. Everyone agrees that Sony is putting in a lot of tech for a "competitive" price on a pound-for-pound comparison and losing money on each system. But without controllers and other accessories to help subsidize the system, memory cards are the only guaranteed way to make up some margins.

$30 is a lot for a 4 GB card but since I'll be buying mostly physical Vita games, it should be more than enough for the next several months.[/QUOTE]

I think they should do a $300 bundle with uncharted and a 4GB card. The cost to manufacture that is under $10, so they're still getting their asking price of 40 for uncharted. I would buy that bundle.
 
[quote name='dallow']I would definitely have taken a system with internal memory over 3G[/QUOTE]

Same. I'm actually leaning toward canceling my preorder. I have enough memory cards to want a new format. The Sony camera I have uses SDHC even. A $300 Wifi+32GB+SDHC/SDXC interface would have been great.
 
I really do think this is the norm. I dont know many people that were clamoring for 3G or even a lot of the functions built in to both systems like the back touch pad function. I do know tons of people that are furious about the lack of internal storage and huge expense of mem cards. Digital gaming is fast becoming the norm, so to handle things this way just isolates that entire market.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']I do know tons of people that are furious about the lack of internal storage and huge expense of mem cards. [/QUOTE]

Sony never said Vita was never going to have internal storage. So said people have been furious the whole time?

I full expect Sony to launch a bundle of Vita + 16 GB memory card by the holiday 2012 season. So hopefully that will appease the budget weary friends of yours.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']Sony never said Vita was never going to have internal storage. So said people have been furious the whole time?

I full expect Sony to launch a bundle of Vita + 16 GB memory card by the holiday 2012 season. So hopefully that will appease the budget weary friends of yours.[/QUOTE]

Its not that Sony announced it would have internal storage...its that they talked about pushing downloadable games and making them important on the platform. That combined with the fact that hardrives are just the norm nowadays made people expect it would be there....especially in an almost $300 system.

And 16gb is nothing. A lot of games are 2-8 GB nowdays easy. Vita games may be smaller, but to run a game like Uncharted I imagine its going to take some serious space. I see people all the time complaining they have filled up their 200-300gb hard drives with XBL/PSN games....16gb is laughable and thats without even considering Sony wants people to put music and other things on this device.
 
[quote name='dallow']Uncharted is 4GB.[/QUOTE]

Well there you go. So a 16 gb mem card could hold all of 4 games of that size before being full. Even if you doubled it to an 32gb mem card that their charging $120 for its far to small to meet many gamers needs.
 
[quote name='62t']The main selling point for me is still the OLED.[/QUOTE]

Seems to be the same with most people I know. They are excited for the big beautiful screen and for the really great graphics for a handheld. All the extra stuff is just that....stuff. Iv not seen anyone that is like blown away by the front or back touch screen, they are nice features but you have to wonder how much it ran up the price. Same is true with other stuff like the gyroscope and AR tech. All these things are there to draw the casual crowd who will be turned away by the high price tag anyways and probably stick to play with their phones. Why not take that shit out and put a decent hard drive in, keep the cost the same and let gamers go gaga over the system. Casuals often end up following the hype we hardcores lay down anyways, it just takes longer.
 
It looks like the pricing on the memory cards was incorrect. The 4GB card is going to be $24.99, 8GB will be $39.99, 16GB will be $69.99 and the 32GB will be $119.99.
 
Yeah, but the price on the 32gb didn't change, right? That was the real attention catching one.

Also, Sony has debunked the story about ALL PS3 games being remote play on the Vita. Just like before, it's all handled by the PS3 game in question, so it's up to developers. As of now, only Killzone 3 (or Resistance, I forget) is confirmed.
 
[quote name='007']Also, Sony has debunked the story about ALL PS3 games being remote play on the Vita. Just like before, it's all handled by the PS3 game in question, so it's up to developers. As of now, only Killzone 3 (or Resistance, I forget) is confirmed.[/QUOTE]

This just made me lose all interest. I'd love to get some Dark Souls time in, while lying in bed, while the g/f reads her pre-bedtime chapter. I was planning on buying one just for this feature; I was really hoping it would help me get through my PS3 backlog.

This functionality was pretty darn clunky on the PSP, I was really hoping this might nail it this time. Oh, well, saved me $300.
 
[quote name='elessar123']$69.99 for 16GB? fuck that, I'm canceling.[/QUOTE]

What's to stop people from using adapters and plain SDHC cards, just like everyone did on the PSP? Seriously, I don't see this a deal-breaker.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']If you look I said that they should have dropped the 3g model in favor of a HD model. I imagine that there are more people out there interested in a system with internal memory then they are a system with 3G. Most people will probably keep using their phones for any 3G related things they may need or want and I doubt that online gaming outside the home is important enough for most people to pay an extra $100 up front then a monthly fee to boot. Meanwhile a solid amount of storage(again 32gb is a minimum not a max)would be much more enticing to people for an extra $50. I think $350 is just far too hard of a sell for a handheld system.

Regardless the mistake has already been made and I see Sony paying dearly for it. I know at least 4 people who were if not day 1 buying this were buying it right away....all of them and myself all now intend to wait a year and get one on sale or used. I have also had 2 friends say they will now wait for a hacked model to have free games make up the pricing.[/QUOTE]
You're lowballing the hell out of internal storage and obviously wouldn't be willing to pay the $350 price tag that a 32 GB Vita would have to go for. People demanded a 3G model, like the CAGcast, but they themselves were never going to go for that model because paying monthly fees for somewhat better internet access is not tempting to most people. Unless I missed something, the 3G model is only $50 more, not $100 more.

According to your other post, no size would ever be good enough anyway, though that's why they have ways to store your games on your PC or PS3 to manage the space you have. At least it's interchangeable and manageable.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']You're lowballing the hell out of internal storage and obviously wouldn't be willing to pay the $350 price tag that a 32 GB Vita would have to go for. People demanded a 3G model, like the CAGcast, but they themselves were never going to go for that model because paying monthly fees for somewhat better internet access is not tempting to most people. Unless I missed something, the 3G model is only $50 more, not $100 more.

According to your other post, no size would ever be good enough anyway, though that's why they have ways to store your games on your PC or PS3 to manage the space you have. At least it's interchangeable and manageable.[/QUOTE]

32GB of NAND costs about $40 in bulk, so Sony could add it to the Vita and charge the the 3G and not lose money. However, they are likely selling the console very near a loss so I understand their drive to jack up accessory prices. Still, I think that is the correct strategy, and it has worked well for Microsoft with the 360.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']32GB of NAND costs about $40 in bulk, so Sony could add it to the Vita and charge the the 3G and not lose money. However, they are likely selling the console very near a loss so I understand their drive to jack up accessory prices. Still, I think that is the correct strategy, and it has worked well for Microsoft with the 360.[/QUOTE]
I'm going off the $100 more that Apple charges for the 32 GB iPod Touch over the basic 8 GB model.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm going off the $100 more that Apple charges for the 32 GB iPod Touch over the basic 8 GB model.[/QUOTE]

This is a good indication of actual NAND prices: http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-4s-component-cost-is-188-samsung-edged-out-20189633/
Keep in mind Apple commits to huge orders to get low prices, so most other companies likely pay higher prices than this.

In other words, Apple makes progressively more profit as a percentage of cost as you buy the more expensive models.
 
I know about that stuff, but these companies usually don't sell the system at cost so the price they sell it at would likely be above $50 more since there would be additional R&D costs to fit the drive into that system. That's why I suggested earlier that it would be much, much easier to just have a 32 GB SKU come with the 32 GB card bundled in to save them those additional costs.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I know about that stuff, but these companies usually don't sell the system at cost so the price they sell it at would likely be above $50 more since there would be additional R&D costs to fit the drive into that system. That's why I suggested earlier that it would be much, much easier to just have a 32 GB SKU come with the 32 GB card bundled in to save them those additional costs.[/QUOTE]

More of a deal to design than you think. Whether it's a port or NAND soldered to the logic board, they still have to design and implement a data interface. On top of that, this interface has to accept physical media and resist damage while having a way to keep debris out.
 
Agreed, as I said there would be additional R&D costs to redesign the insides of that system to fit everything in there that would make a $50 increase for all of that work a lowball expectation. $100 more would be a safer bet on what it would cost than expecting this easy task of shoving internal storage into the Vita as is for just $50 more. In the end, they avoided all of that entirely and went with a second SKU that has limited appeal that they'll just make less of compared to the base $250 unit.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']What's to stop people from using adapters and plain SDHC cards, just like everyone did on the PSP? Seriously, I don't see this a deal-breaker.[/QUOTE]

This is what I'm hoping for. I'm strongly considering getting a launch system mainly because that will be the first one to get hacked like the PSP fat model. Various emulators on the handheld are essential to me.
 
[quote name='Javery']This is what I'm hoping for. I'm strongly considering getting a launch system mainly because that will be the first one to get hacked like the PSP fat model. Various emulators on the handheld are essential to me.[/QUOTE]

I'm looking forward to emulation on this thing too. Full speed N64 emulation for a lot of games and possible playable dreamcast titles if some time is put into porting nullDC.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']You're lowballing the hell out of internal storage and obviously wouldn't be willing to pay the $350 price tag that a 32 GB Vita would have to go for. People demanded a 3G model, like the CAGcast, but they themselves were never going to go for that model because paying monthly fees for somewhat better internet access is not tempting to most people. Unless I missed something, the 3G model is only $50 more, not $100 more.

According to your other post, no size would ever be good enough anyway, though that's why they have ways to store your games on your PC or PS3 to manage the space you have. At least it's interchangeable and manageable.[/QUOTE]

64 GB would have been fine and 128 would have been perfect. Even my Ipad has 64 GB and I use a crap ton of that up on gaming. I may have even been ok with this whole external storage thing if they could have just kept the price at a reasonable amount. For example you can get a 32GB SD card for around $40.....so it costing 3x that much for a 40gb Sony mem card is just unacceptable.

You say that you think I would be upset no matter what, but I and many others are raising good points...all I see you doing is defending Sony no matter what stupid choice they make....
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Agreed, as I said there would be additional R&D costs to redesign the insides of that system to fit everything in there that would make a $50 increase for all of that work a lowball expectation. $100 more would be a safer bet on what it would cost than expecting this easy task of shoving internal storage into the Vita as is for just $50 more. In the end, they avoided all of that entirely and went with a second SKU that has limited appeal that they'll just make less of compared to the base $250 unit.[/QUOTE]

Then go with external cards but go with something like SD cards that make sense. Sony is just doing this because 1. They feel the need to make up money on this vs on hardware 2. They are terrified of piracy and instead of accepting price does more to combat piracy then anything else they keep trying the same solution like an idiot trying to break a door down by headbutting it.
 
Where am I defending anything? I said the 3G model was a dumb idea and I don't like the memory card prices either.

I'm just calling out your "they should just put 32 GB of internal storage in there for $50 because it's that easy" claims because you don't really have any clue how that would work. You're just saying you want things when you'd never spend the money that a 32 GB, 64 GB, or 128 GB model would really cost. But I guess calling you out is really just defending Sony since there's only two sides to this debate.
 
Realistically, they should have released 16GB and 32GB models and dropped the 3G. Ultimately, I'm find either way. I'll be waiting for a bundle at launch from one of the major retailers. 4GB is enough for me initially.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Where am I defending anything? I said the 3G model was a dumb idea and I don't like the memory card prices either.

I'm just calling out your "they should just put 32 GB of internal storage in there for $50 because it's that easy" claims because you don't really have any clue how that would work. You're just saying you want things when you'd never spend the money that a 32 GB, 64 GB, or 128 GB model would really cost. But I guess calling you out is really just defending Sony since there's only two sides to this debate.[/QUOTE]

No I know perfectly well how it would work. Putting it in for $50 is indeed hard. But so is the 3G, the back touch screen, the camera and all the other crap they have added. I am not saying give me more and more features at the same cost, I am saying cut less needed features and give us a HD...you know something that is expected in every system now days.

As for you defending. You have here and you have any other time I have seen anyone complain about PSN download times, PS+ offerings, Vita pricing, vita mem cards or anything else. You always seem to hop in for Sonys defense. I could be wrong but its what I am recalling.

Edit - And again as I said in my last post besides the $50 hard drive thing I have also said multiple times I would have even been ok if they had released SD cards at a reasonable cost. They did not though and you refuse to recognize that like most of the rest of the industry, instead you choose to defend their choice to release Sony brand cards for 3x the cost of what you can get an SD card for.
 
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