The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

[quote name='BigT']Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...[/QUOTE]
Question, where do you say this from? Personal experience, raw data, or just common sense?

[quote name='dohdough']I don't think 9-10 hour school days and destroying unions is the answer. I can't remember if I had this conversation with you before, but janitors deserve a good living wage too. It's not an easy job and schools tend to be understaffed to begin with. How does eliminating the earning potential of a position that allows someone to have a home, raise a family, and send a couple of kids to college a good thing? They might not be a nominee for most important job in the world, but it's a pretty damn important job that is pretty necessary.

edit: Did anyone catch the debate last night? I heard it was EPIC. There's going to be another one on tues.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly enough I was reading an article about the future of employment around the world. If current trends continue the way they are, janitor/blue collar jobs will be the last few "secure" jobs in the economy going forward.
 
[quote name='BigT']Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...[/QUOTE]

Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?
 
I peek my head back in here and instantly remember the ridiculousness I decided to not waste my time with.


1) You think it is ridiculous that Congress names the Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree. It is far more logical and not bias towards a particular religion in any way to name it a Holiday Tree. You just think it sounds better. Riiiiiight. We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such. Quick rename that Christmas Wreath the Jews, Muslims, etc may think we don't like them as much!


2) You think someone who goes to college means they are educated or will become educated. There is no way tens of thousands of college students aren't taking away ANYTHING (besides being indebted to the government) from their degree programs. I mean that is just impossible, they MUST be learning something, and are becoming well rounded. It's College!


3) You believe something on Comedy Central, and then when presented with the facts, still comment on your disbelief that these new facts you are presented with are accurate.

It is entertaining, and thats just the last page and a half! but not THAT entertaining.
 
[quote name='Knoell']We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such.[/QUOTE]

So glad you're back, seriously.
 
[quote name='BigT']Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...[/QUOTE]
So if there is no utility in it, it isn't worth doing, got it.
 
I don't see why it's problematic for people to want or have higher education regardless of occupation. It's only a problem when it becomes a de facto requirement for an entry level job that you can train someone on the job for...kinda like how they do anyways.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I peek my head back in here and instantly remember the ridiculousness I decided to not waste my time with.


1) You think it is ridiculous that Congress names the Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree. It is far more logical and not bias towards a particular religion in any way to name it a Holiday Tree. You just think it sounds better. Riiiiiight. We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such. Quick rename that Christmas Wreath the Jews, Muslims, etc may think we don't like them as much!


2) You think someone who goes to college means they are educated or will become educated. There is no way tens of thousands of college students aren't taking away ANYTHING (besides being indebted to the government) from their degree programs. I mean that is just impossible, they MUST be learning something, and are becoming well rounded. It's College!


3) You believe something on Comedy Central, and then when presented with the facts, still comment on your disbelief that these new facts you are presented with are accurate.

It is entertaining, and thats just the last page and a half! but not THAT entertaining.[/QUOTE]

Lighten up on the essay, professor.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?[/QUOTE]

Well, note that he just said it wasn't cost effective for the individual, not that it wasn't good for society.

Just thinking in monetary terms, it isn't cost effective for an individual to spend the money on college if it doesn't get them a career that pays more than what they would have got out of high school or could have gotten after a 2 year trade school period etc.

Plus, I think it's a tad delusional to think that everyone who goes to college and graduates really becomes educated and well rounded. As a professor I can tell you most students are just there to get a degree as they think they have to to get a job. The bulk of these are on the "C's get degrees" track and don't give a shit about really learning anything. They just do the bare minimum to skate by and graduate.

The only ones who are going to really be educated and become well rounded are those who are truly interested in learning and becoming well rounded and put full effort into their studies as they're truly passionate about it, rather than just wanting a piece of paper they think they need to get a decent job (and in many cases do as so many professions require degrees when they're really not needed these days).

And most of those types are interested in grad school or law school etc., at least in my field.

So I'd agree with Big T. There's lots of people in college who shouldn't be there as they don't have any real interest in being there, aren't going to get much out of it, and it won't end up being cost effective for many of them. They're just wasting their time and money and wasting my time by not being engaged in their studies.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?[/QUOTE]

I completely disagree with this. As it is we have a system in place where you have to get a college degree to get a decent job. In order to get a college degree you have to spend insane amounts of money. Part of the reason you have to spend insane amounts of money is because you have to take a bunch of stupid classes that have nothing to do with your degree.

My wife has never failed a class in her life but she feels as though she just bombed her Calculus 2 final which will bring her from a B in the class to....well it doesnt matter because even if she pulls a C average you flunk the Calc final you flunk the class. Meanwhile as she was complaining to people in her other class she said at least 5 or 6 students spoke up and said they failed that class and knew others that did as well. Meaning you have to go back and retake that class putting more money in the universities pocket. Meanwhile can you tell me how Calculus 2 will serve my wife in her field of Human Resource Management? Can you tell me how it would help the other student that was going for Philosphy or the one going for Psychology? Hell can you even tell me how Calc 2 somehow makes her better well rounded and serves her in life?

If we want to create well rounded people lets either do it in elementary and Junior/Highschool or lets have free higher education so people can take as many classes as they want(that would really encourage well rounded people). Lets NOT force people to go through tons of unneeded classes just to get a degree that is nothing more then a ticket people use to jump to the front of the job line.
 
Was she forced to take calculus or did she choose to? Plenty of schools let you choose. Most do try to at least tailor the gen ed requirements to your degree. I ahd to take statistics because my degree was technically a business degree.
 
[quote name='Clak']Was she forced to take calculus or did she choose to? Plenty of schools let you choose. Most do try to at least tailor the gen ed requirements to your degree. I ahd to take statistics because my degree was technically a business degree.[/QUOTE]

She was forced to take both Calc and Statistics. Statistics at least makes sense though.
 
You'd have to ask the individual schools about that, I have no idea what their reasoning is. Unless there is a need for it in a particular field, I think gen-ed stuff should be up to the student to decide, which it largely is.
 
That just varies by university, and within universities it varies by college and department. Some majors you have lots of flexilbility in your general ed requirments, other majors map out very specific curriculum and sometimes have some baffling required gen ed courses.

I agree it should be flexible beyond things clearly needed for that major and have not good answer to why it is not. The skeptic in me would say it's some back door dealings between departments to help bump credit hours in certain courses. As many state university budgets are now majority funded by tuition and fees (i.e. state funding is less than 50% of budget in a lot of state schools now--including mine) there's a lot more emphasis on how many credit hours departments are generating as that's where the money is coming from.
 
Fixing higher education doesn't solve the k-12 problem. Which leads to things like people saying that calculus is useless.

Calculus, along with other advanced theory, isn't just about learning to do advanced math; it's about being able to conceptualize problems to solve them ie applying theory to practice aka praxis.
 
Yeah, the the Calculus class I took in college didn't really focus much on any problem solving skills. It was just being able to work through equations and remember the equations for the exams.

There are a lot better courses to teach problem solving in. Especially with how bad students are at math in the US--hard to get any emphasis on problem solving in a Calculus class with all the math anxiety students have etc. that make it hard enough to just teach the needed computational skills.
 
[quote name='Clak']But calc isn't the only class where one can do that, that's the point.[/QUOTE]
I don't completely disagree, but there'd just be some other off-topic gen-ed requirement that some people will bitch about. Calculus was just an example.

The skyrocketing cost of higher ed along with commoditization of the industry, and a large industry at that, are large issues, no doubt. At the same time, they're large issues within larger issues that are a lot more abstract.
 
If you wanted to teach problem solving skills do it in classes where it matters, like the social sciences. Discuss solving society's problems. Dealing with income inequality in an sociology class, or resource scarcity in a geography class, unemployment in economics etc..
 
[quote name='Clak']If you wanted to teach problem solving skills do it in classes where it matters, like the social sciences. Discuss solving society's problems. Dealing with income inequality in an sociology class, or resource scarcity in a geography class, unemployment in economics etc..[/QUOTE]
Who gives a shit about that commie stuff when most people go to college to rise above that commie bullshit.

Most people are a lost cause and have been failed by our k-12 education system by the time they reach college to learn about that stuff. Most people are serfs by design because of that system. Hoover(or Coolidge or whoever) said that the education system in the US is meant to produce workers and industrialists by making sure most are workers and a few industrialists to direct them. It's to further entrench a caste system, not overthrow it.
 
That may be true, but it's still easier to teach problem solving in social science classes and the like than in something like Calculus where it's a struggle for most students to just do the computational work.

And that seems kind of moot as they can come up with conservative solutions to problems. We may not like what they come up with, but they can learn problem solving skills regardless of whether we like the solutions they decide on.

The key is seeing whether they can see both sides of an issue and come up with solutions that make logical sense given their stances on the issues, whether they can support those stances with empirical research evidence etc.

I keep politics out of my classes as much as possible in terms of trying to sway students to any view point on an issue. I just want them to see both sides of the issue, gain some skills needed to think critically about the issues (including being able to read and understand empirical research). Whether their views change or not is up to them.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Fixing higher education doesn't solve the k-12 problem. Which leads to things like people saying that calculus is useless.

Calculus, along with other advanced theory, isn't just about learning to do advanced math; it's about being able to conceptualize problems to solve them ie applying theory to practice aka praxis.[/QUOTE]

Can you ever respond to anyone on even a small issue that you disagree upon without being a total dick? Honestly iv said it before and ill say it again...you are just a leftist Knoell.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Fixing higher education doesn't solve the k-12 problem. Which leads to things like people saying that calculus is useless.

Calculus, along with other advanced theory, isn't just about learning to do advanced math; it's about being able to conceptualize problems to solve them ie applying theory to practice aka praxis.[/QUOTE]

exactly why I had to learn geometry for a finance/accounting degree. Then again, it hasn't helped my Geometry Wars 2 scores all that much either.

Most people are a lost cause and have been failed by our k-12 education system by the time they reach college to learn about that stuff. Most people are serfs by design because of that system. Hoover(or Coolidge or whoever) said that the education system in the US is meant to produce workers and industrialists by making sure most are workers and a few industrialists to direct them. It's to further entrench a caste system, not overthrow it.
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So you saw Waiting For Superman too eh?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That may be true, but it's still easier to teach problem solving in social science classes and the like than in something like Calculus where it's a struggle for most students to just do the computational work.

And that seems kind of moot as they can come up with conservative solutions to problems. We may not like what they come up with, but they can learn problem solving skills regardless of whether we like the solutions they decide on.

The key is seeing whether they can see both sides of an issue and come up with solutions that make logical sense given their stances on the issues, whether they can support those stances with empirical research evidence etc.

I keep politics out of my classes as much as possible in terms of trying to sway students to any view point on an issue. I just want them to see both sides of the issue, gain some skills needed to think critically about the issues (including being able to read and understand empirical research). Whether their views change or not is up to them.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. You do not need to take Calc to learn how to solve problems. One has nothing to do with the other. My wife has been promoted to a managerial role at every company she has ever worked at in pretty much record speed because of her problem solving skills. She at 2 of her last 3 businesses restructured entire programs saving the company crap tons of money. So again to simply say you must take calc to learn how to solve problems is a joke. Again if anything a smart kid like my wife disproves how little Calc relates in that area.

But hey, dohdoh always knows best.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Can you ever respond to anyone on even a small issue that you disagree upon without being a total dick? Honestly iv said it before and ill say it again...you are just a leftist Knoell.[/QUOTE]
Did you ever read the rest of my posts regarding using calculus as an example or did you just feel like being a reactionary know-nothing in the guise of being "far-left" leaning?

edit: Oh, and calling me lefty knoell is like saying evolution and creationism is the same.

[quote name='MSI Magus']Thank you. You do not need to take Calc to learn how to solve problems. One has nothing to do with the other. My wife has been promoted to a managerial role at every company she has ever worked at in pretty much record speed because of her problem solving skills. She at 2 of her last 3 businesses restructured entire programs saving the company crap tons of money. So again to simply say you must take calc to learn how to solve problems is a joke. Again if anything a smart kid like my wife disproves how little Calc relates in that area.

But hey, dohdoh always knows best.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn't read my other posts, but decided to take it personally anyways.

[quote name='nasum']exactly why I had to learn geometry for a finance/accounting degree. Then again, it hasn't helped my Geometry Wars 2 scores all that much either.

So you saw Waiting For Superman too eh?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or relating this to the first part of the post, but no. I've never seen it and don't support charter schools.

And unless you both are advocating for a contextually relevant curriculum like the ethnic studies one in Arizona that was recently abolished, I'm not surprised that you are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.
 
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nah, it was just a factoid from the movie about the public education system using "tracks" to develop a certain mixture of worker bees/phDs/middle management/senior management types.

And no, contextually relevant curriculum doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Unless you're talking about trade school, in which I wouldn't need to know about horticulture for finance. Also why a marine biologist wouldn't need to know about the finer details of an internal combustion engine.
 
Although it could come in handy during those times when they're out to sea and the boat engine dies and the captain is found dead on the ship with a mysterious shark mouth shaped bite out of him.

It happens.
 
College these days is more like deferred high school. This trend probably connects to the carrot-on-a-string that is the "middle class". First you needed two workers per household to make a decent living, then you needed two college-educated workers to make a decent living, now you need that and some fairy dust I suppose.
 
Creating a post that is pure insult and going on to define what your position is and why you believe what you believe in later posts then getting pissy that people didnt read your mind in the first insulting post....sounds like Knoell to me.
 
I once pondered the escalation of education. Meaning that already a bachelor's degree means little, a master's is needed in some fields just to get in. If that trend continues it will eventually get to the point that one needs a master's degree or even PHD to get into some fields. So where does it end?
 
[quote name='nasum']nah, it was just a factoid from the movie about the public education system using "tracks" to develop a certain mixture of worker bees/phDs/middle management/senior management types.

And no, contextually relevant curriculum doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Unless you're talking about trade school, in which I wouldn't need to know about horticulture for finance. Also why a marine biologist wouldn't need to know about the finer details of an internal combustion engine.[/QUOTE]
They do "track" students, but I'm guessing not like how the movie is suggesting.

[quote name='MSI Magus']Creating a post that is pure insult and going on to define what your position is and why you believe what you believe in later posts then getting pissy that people didnt read your mind in the first insulting post....sounds like Knoell to me.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how saying that k-12 being broken leads to people seeing subjects like calculus being useless is an insult, but feel free to knee-jerk yourself off as much as you like about it. Especially when I made it clear that calculus was one of many advanced theories that people just blow off as being useless no more than a line lower than the one you took umbrage to.

[quote name='Clak']I once pondered the escalation of education. Meaning that already a bachelor's degree means little, a master's is needed in some fields just to get in. If that trend continues it will eventually get to the point that one needs a master's degree or even PHD to get into some fields. So where does it end?[/QUOTE]
Gilded Age 2 or maybe neo-feudalism, but what the difference really?:lol:
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Creating a post that is pure insult and going on to define what your position is and why you believe what you believe in later posts then getting pissy that people didnt read your mind in the first insulting post....sounds like Knoell to me.[/QUOTE]

Who cares? He's proven he has the intelligence to back his positions.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, note that he just said it wasn't cost effective for the individual, not that it wasn't good for society.

Just thinking in monetary terms, it isn't cost effective for an individual to spend the money on college if it doesn't get them a career that pays more than what they would have got out of high school or could have gotten after a 2 year trade school period etc.

Plus, I think it's a tad delusional to think that everyone who goes to college and graduates really becomes educated and well rounded. As a professor I can tell you most students are just there to get a degree as they think they have to to get a job. The bulk of these are on the "C's get degrees" track and don't give a shit about really learning anything. They just do the bare minimum to skate by and graduate.

The only ones who are going to really be educated and become well rounded are those who are truly interested in learning and becoming well rounded and put full effort into their studies as they're truly passionate about it, rather than just wanting a piece of paper they think they need to get a decent job (and in many cases do as so many professions require degrees when they're really not needed these days).

And most of those types are interested in grad school or law school etc., at least in my field.

So I'd agree with Big T. There's lots of people in college who shouldn't be there as they don't have any real interest in being there, aren't going to get much out of it, and it won't end up being cost effective for many of them. They're just wasting their time and money and wasting my time by not being engaged in their studies.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the above... nicely said.

Personally, I'm a huge proponent of universities... I like spending my time thinking about deep problems when work doesn't get in the way... although, even then, I'm lucky enough to be able to make that interesting too.

I'm a product of several UC schools over the years... I'm still affiliated with one... they just can't get me to leave ;) (but I like this education/research/teaching stuff)

From what I've seen, effective education and "well-roundedness" tends to come from within. I've seen my share of pre-meds who didn't give a crap about physics, chemistry, and even biology, but would either gain access to old multiple choice questions (that tend to get recycled) or would take review courses and would memorize stereotyped question patterns (there's only so many types of question one can ask) and would end up with a 4.0 GPA without really learning much... other than how to play the system. Conversely, I've also seen highly intelligent and eccentric people who really learn things, but don't study question patterns or tend to over-think questions and do somewhat worse. And then there was the large majority who were just there because... well because they were expected to go to college... they didn't really care about their classes and would try to do enough to just get by (mind you, this was not at a community college; this was at one of the highest ranked public universities in the USA)!

I totally agree that the populace should strive to be educated. However, with the advent and evolution of the internet, colleges no longer hold a monopoly on information. Going to college is simply not a cost-effective method of becoming educated and well rounded! The truth is that for many people it is an expensive investment that does not yield great dividends... now don't get me started on how in response to budget shortfalls, UC tuition gets raised while administrator's salaries also get raised, and the number of available classes gets cut (quite brazen as this is all public information!)
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Who cares? He's proven he has the intelligence to back his positions.[/QUOTE]

Who cares? Seems rather hypocritical in a topic titled "stay classy" to give people insulting each other a pass. Then again I guess as long as someone agrees with you who cares how "classy" they act. The lack of class is the main reason I post so infrequently and why this entire board and in general any sites political board is seen as the asshole of the forums.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Who cares? Seems rather hypocritical in a topic titled "stay classy" to give people insulting each other a pass. Then again I guess as long as someone agrees with you who cares how "classy" they act. The lack of class is the main reason I post so infrequently and why this entire board and in general any sites political board is seen as the asshole of the forums.[/QUOTE]
And your ad hominem attack was the higher road?
 
[quote name='BigT']I agree with the above... nicely said.

Personally, I'm a huge proponent of universities... I like spending my time thinking about deep problems when work doesn't get in the way... although, even then, I'm lucky enough to be able to make that interesting too.

I'm a product of several UC schools over the years... I'm still affiliated with one... they just can't get me to leave ;) (but I like this education/research/teaching stuff)

From what I've seen, effective education and "well-roundedness" tends to come from within. I've seen my share of pre-meds who didn't give a crap about physics, chemistry, and even biology, but would either gain access to old multiple choice questions (that tend to get recycled) or would take review courses and would memorize stereotyped question patterns (there's only so many types of question one can ask) and would end up with a 4.0 GPA without really learning much... other than how to play the system. Conversely, I've also seen highly intelligent and eccentric people who really learn things, but don't study question patterns or tend to over-think questions and do somewhat worse. And then there was the large majority who were just there because... well because they were expected to go to college... they didn't really care about their classes and would try to do enough to just get by (mind you, this was not at a community college; this was at one of the highest ranked public universities in the USA)!

I totally agree that the populace should strive to be educated. However, with the advent and evolution of the internet, colleges no longer hold a monopoly on information. Going to college is simply not a cost-effective method of becoming educated and well rounded! The truth is that for many people it is an expensive investment that does not yield great dividends... now don't get me started on how in response to budget shortfalls, UC tuition gets raised while administrator's salaries also get raised, and the number of available classes gets cut (quite brazen as this is all public information!)[/QUOTE]
To keep the business language train going, what about the dividends earned by society when we have a more educated populace?
 
Again, I think everyone agrees having a more educated populace is a good thing.

But it just doesn't make sense for everyone to go to college. Some just can't afford it, and paying for it totally with loans isn't a great idea unless you're doing everything you can to get a degree that has a pretty good job forecast in this crappy economy. And many just aren't cut out for it.

If we want to have a more educated populace, the best thing to do is fix K-12 so kids are prepared to learn throughout life regardless of whether they go on to college or not.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Again, I think everyone agrees having a more educated populace is a good thing.[/QUOTE]

Not so sure how much I believe this, but any retort would sound equal parts sarcastic and pessimistic.
 
[quote name='cindersphere']And your ad hominem attack was the higher road?[/QUOTE]

There is a big difference between attacking someone just to attack them, and pointing out their attacking people and being rude. /shrug think what you want though.

@dmaul - Thanks for trying to be a voice of reason.....moderation. Your right, people agree on MOST of this...so I dont understand the constant need to argue and fight over the 5% we disagree on. I mean people are largely saying the same thing here, its just the smallest parts they disagree on.....
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']There is a big difference between attacking someone just to attack them, and pointing out their attacking people and being rude. /shrug think what you want though.
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Ohh, is that what you were doing? Then I totally understand how it was appropriate to insult doh with by calling him a lefty knoell.:roll:
 
[quote name='cindersphere']Ohh, is that what you were doing? Then I totally understand how it was appropriate to insult doh with by calling him a lefty knoell.:roll:[/QUOTE]

I guess you could view that as an insult if you looked at it a specific way. The way I look at it I am not trying to insult him, just show him he is acting the exact same way as someone he dislikes. Both are on far extremes of their party, both toss out insults instead of debating an actual point and both refuse to ever change their mind just to name a few similarities. But again /shrug there is no convincing anyone on this board of anything they do not want to believe so I will drop it now.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']There is a big difference between attacking someone just to attack them, and pointing out their attacking people and being rude. /shrug think what you want though.[/quote]
What fucking attack are you talking about? Why don't you point out exacty what was wrong about my statement instead of whining about it in vague terms like a child.

@dmaul - Thanks for trying to be a voice of reason.....moderation. Your right, people agree on MOST of this...so I dont understand the constant need to argue and fight over the 5% we disagree on. I mean people are largely saying the same thing here, its just the smallest parts they disagree on.....
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That 5% you're talking about it more than just 5%, especially when the framework used to examine and propose solutions are radically different, muchless the knowledge base.

[quote name='MSI Magus']I guess you could view that as an insult if you looked at it a specific way. The way I look at it I am not trying to insult him, just show him he is acting the exact same way as someone he dislikes. Both are on far extremes of their party, both toss out insults instead of debating an actual point and both refuse to ever change their mind just to name a few similarities. But again /shrug there is no convincing anyone on this board of anything they do not want to believe so I will drop it now.[/QUOTE]
Hold your horses there, skippy. I'm not the one that had a hissy fit over some loose reference over calculus that you applied to your wife. If I wanted and meant to call you, your wife, bob, or anyone else a dumb inbred hick that couldn't tie their own shoes or do simple math, I would do exactly that and not hide behind vague shit like sqwaking at scarecrows without calling people out.

Calling someone a dick is an insult; calling k-12 education fucked and using calculus as an example is not. Calling someone a know-nothing reactionary jerk-off is an insult; calling someone ideologically opposite equivalent of a maligned poster known for their massive levels of ignorance and dissonance is also an insult.

And before you let your arrogance about being "above the fray" cloud your opinion of yourself any more than it already has, your self-described far-leftism and moderation doesn't mean that your shit doesn't stink. Being "moderate" includes reprehensible views as well and it wouldn't be so bad if most of the ideas you expouse on this forum weren't so half-baked without actual knowledge to back it up. Not to mention how critical of others when you can easily apply what you posted above about being extreme and refusing to change their minds to yourself. Should I change my mind to support creationism and supply-side economics? Of course not because that'd be dumb and false equivalence to assume that they're equal to evolution and demand-side.

Oh, and this post isn't an insult because I don't see it that way.:roll:
 
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