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Welcome to the Steam Deal Thread V5! You can find link to past threads at the bottom of this post. Read post #2 of this thread for Steam FAQs and more.

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Steam Games and DLC on Sale - Updated 12/16

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Other Deals

Steam Games on Sale Elsewhere - Updated 9/23


Amazon
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Preorder Deals - Updated 10/28
Group Buys - Updated 8/14

Several multiplayer Steam games are available in 2-packs or 4-packs. These packs offer a discount over buying multiple copies of a game separately. We also maintain group buy trade threads for several games, so please use those threads if you're interested in setting up a group buy.

Free Stuff - Updated 4/3

There are several free games and mods on Steam. These are a few choice ones; you can find a full list here. Note that free games are not permanently attached to your Steam account like actual purchases would be. You'll need to manually download a game again from the website if you uninstall it.

Steam around CAG

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Past Special Sales

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Steam Retail Key List

What is a CD key and where can I find it?

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7480-WUSF-3601

The CD Key is a serial number with a combination of 13, 18, or 25 letters and numbers - it can be found on a sticker inside your game's case or printed on the game's quick reference card.
The CD Key acts as your proof of purchase for the game - Steam Support may ask for it if you need to establish your ownership of an account. It is recommended that you keep your CD Key in a safe place to ensure the security of your account.

Which retail CD Keys are accepted on Steam?




All retail Valve games and a number of third-party games can be registered to your Steam account. All of the following games can be registered through Steam:
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  • Valve CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Valve CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7
  • AI War CD Keys in various formats
  • Aliens vs. Predator (2010 Release) CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Alpha Prime CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Audiosurf CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • BRINK CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7
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  • Call of Duty: Black Ops CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare is not accepted on Steam
  • Cities in Motion CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Civilization V CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • Dark Messiah CD Keys may also have been printed incorrectly, please see the Dark Messiah article
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  • Note: The number 2 and letter Z may look very similar.
  • Dawn of War II CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Dawn of War II - Retribution CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7
  • Defense Grid CD Keys in this format (Direct2Drive only): 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • Global Agenda CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Note: Keys purchased directly from the Global Agenda website cannot be registered on Steam.
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  • GTR Evolution CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Homefront CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7
  • Humble Indie Bundle in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Humble Indie Bundle 2 in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Humble Indie Bundle 3 in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7
  • IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Just Cause 2 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Note: Please input all O's and 0's as Q's for Just Cause 2
  • Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Killing Floor CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • Lost Planet: Extreme Condition CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Lost Planet: Colonies Edition CD Keys are not accepted on Steam
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  • Order of War CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • R.U.S.E. CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Note: R.U.S.E. keys from Ubisoft's Digital River service are not accepted on Steam
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  • RACE 07 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • Rogue Warrior CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
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  • Speedball 2 - Tournament in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Star Trek: D-A-C CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • STCC - The Game CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Super Meat Boy CD keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Supreme Commander 2 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Torchlight CD Keys in this format: 1ABC-D3FG-4567-JK8L
  • Note: Only keys purchased directly from Runic Games or Perfect World prior to May 19th, 2010 can be registered on Steam.
  • Total War: SHOGUN 2 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Unreal Tournament 3 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2-3FGH-456I-K8LM
  • Velvet Assassin CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings in this format: AB-1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM
  • Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009 CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
  • X3: Terran Conflict CD Keys in this format: 1ABC-D3FG-4567-JK8L
  • Zeno Clash CD Keys in this format: 1AB2C-D3FGH-456I7-JK8LM-NOP9Q
Opposing Force CD-keys cannot be registered through Steam. Opposing Force was included in a retail Half-Life package. The Half-Life CD-key included in the package will unlock all of the games in that package, including Opposing Force.
Note: Only the retail games listed above can be registered through Steam. No other retail games can be registered and downloaded using Steam.

Other Keys that can be redeemed on Steam (CAG tested & verified)
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The Ball (bought @D2D and tested by voken)
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance (gives both FA and original, bought @amazon and tested by vism)

Indie Bundles thread on Steam forums (link)


Past CAG Steam Deal Threads
 
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[quote name='Flowette']I think it's a case of each to their own, but yes I'd agree that the non-stop DLC water the game down a bit. However, I can trump your entire argument with this:

140px-Giraffe_on_Treadmill.png


That's a giraffe. On a treadmill. It's a DD pet reward for beating... somethingthatInevergotroundtobeating.

Your move, golden calf.[/QUOTE]


I believe it was for getting to wave 50 or something crazy on a survival map. Prior to some patch that lets you save your wave progress you had to sit at your computer (or build an effective defense to go afk) for like... five hours or so to actually get to that point. And keep in mind that if Steam went down it would disconnect you.

I don't hate the game... if anything I hate the developers for taking such a great idea and screwing it up.
 
[quote name='KaOTiK']I agree group and private are the best, but unforuantly for those with giant Steam libraries the pickings are slim. I find myself being able to spend points on pretty much all giveaways that I don't have now and still have points lol[/QUOTE]

God, I haven't entered a steamgifts giveaway in like a month. I would have thousands of points if they didn't have a limit cap.
 
Seems like steamgifts is better than playblink. 577 entries and 0 wins on the latter so far (and I only enter the random draw ones so equal chances to win).
 
Unimpressed with all the IR bundles lately (besides the one with Analogue, which wasn't a bad deal). Why so many people are chomping at the bit to buy an RPG Maker XP game is beyond me, especially when you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.

Can't complain about a Blackwell game being in the bundle, but for $5? Weak bundle.
 
[quote name='JakeNome']After entering 64 giveaways on SteamGifts for The Ship in the past 2 days, I FINALLY WON! wohoo! my third win on steamgifts ever.[/QUOTE]

Holy ship.
 
21 wins/2,644 entries. Also, as for hiding DLC you already own on SteamGifts using the plugin, it has an ignore button as well. Just click through (double click on the photo of the DLC til it goes to the Steam page) and see if the green banner shows up showing you have it, then if it does, ignore that giveaway and that particular DLC will never show up in the giveaway list again. I recommend you back up the list regularly though (click upper left on Giveaway Filter Settings and then copy/paste to text editor)
 
[quote name='SeymourGams']Thank you both!

[Edit] I consider myself tech literate but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it is asking me to do.[/QUOTE]

Did you get it to work? I didn't realize the code changed. It used to be a Chrome extension with a one-click install, but the newest version of Chrome only allows extensions from the Chrome Web Store to be installed.

All you have to do is download js file in that thread, go to "Settings" then "Extensions" and drag it into the window and click "Install".
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Unimpressed with all the IR bundles lately (besides the one with Analogue, which wasn't a bad deal). Why so many people are chomping at the bit to buy an RPG Maker XP game is beyond me, especially when you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.

Can't complain about a Blackwell game being in the bundle, but for $5? Weak bundle.[/QUOTE]

People seem to like the story in To The Moon. That has nothing to do with the tools used to create it.

You seem interested in Blackwell which is built using Adventure Game Studio, the point and click adventure game equivalent of RPG Maker. You can get games just like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.
 
Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Unimpressed with all the IR bundles lately (besides the one with Analogue, which wasn't a bad deal). Why so many people are chomping at the bit to buy an RPG Maker XP game is beyond me, especially when you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.

Can't complain about a Blackwell game being in the bundle, but for $5? Weak bundle.[/QUOTE]

Not meaning to start any argument, but I think we can all agree that people are entitled to their own personal taste in games (shocker!). While some people may be put off by the primitive graphics (and in some ways, gameplay) of To The Moon, I honestly felt like the story more than made up for it. You may not like it (if you've even played it), but it doesn't change the fact that others DO enjoy it... and not necessarily because of what it looks like.

I thought we're now past the age where we judge video games based on visuals alone?
 
[quote name='louiedog']People seem to like the story in To The Moon. That has nothing to do with the tools used to create it.

You seem interested in Blackwell which is built using Adventure Game Studio, the point and click adventure game equivalent of RPG Maker. You can get games just like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Story is great, it's just hard to justify paying for something that you can get for free elsewhere (and sometimes those free games are even better, or have even better stories). I use RPG Maker VX Ace (a newer version of the program), so maybe I have a more biased opinion.

I wasn't aware that the Blackwell series was made with Adventure Game Studio though. I've never actually played the Blackwell series, I just hear good about them now and then. Although I suppose that makes the bundle seem even less appealing now...

[quote name='imac2much']Not meaning to start any argument, but I think we can all agree that people are entitled to their own personal taste in games (shocker!). While some people may be put off by the primitive graphics (and in some ways, gameplay) of To The Moon, I honestly felt like the story more than made up for it. You may not like it (if you've even played it), but it doesn't change the fact that others DO enjoy it... and not necessarily because of what it looks like.

I thought we're now past the age where we judge video games based on visuals alone?[/QUOTE]
Oh I know, it's not my place to tell you (or anyone) that you shouldn't like To The Moon for any given reason. I'm just saying, it's confusing to some extent to me why people are so ready to spend money on something you can generally find for free (as is the case with RPG Maker games).

I'm not at all judging the game by its graphics (I'm a fan of JRPGs), I'm judging it by its price in comparison to the price of its peers (free). In this bundle, I can understand the appeal more (although I still think it's a very weak bundle for the high cost that IR charges). In the past though, people have seemed to agree that a $5 price point on TTM is worth it. Maybe they aren't aware that you can download good RPG Maker XP/VX/VX Ace games for free all over the place? I don't know.
 
Apparently, because you can play a game made using the same tools for free, you shouldn't buy the game to play it. Huh, I've been doing it wrong my entire life.
 
[quote name='ShockandAww']Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.[/QUOTE]

If that's what you want then Sam's your man. Run and gun. And gun. And gun. And gun.

3 is not as good as Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, but there's lots of shootin' going on.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Story is great, it's just hard to justify paying for something that you can get for free elsewhere (and sometimes those free games are even better, or have even better stories). I use RPG Maker VX Ace (a newer version of the program), so maybe I have a more biased opinion.

I wasn't aware that the Blackwell series was made with Adventure Game Studio though. I've never actually played the Blackwell series, I just hear good about them now and then. Although I suppose that makes the bundle seem even less appealing now...


Oh I know, it's not my place to tell you (or anyone) that you shouldn't like To The Moon for any given reason. I'm just saying, it's confusing to some extent to me why people are so ready to spend money on something you can generally find for free (as is the case with RPG Maker games).

I'm not at all judging the game by its graphics (I'm a fan of JRPGs), I'm judging it by its price in comparison to the price of its peers (free). In this bundle, I can understand the appeal more (although I still think it's a very weak bundle for the high cost that IR charges). In the past though, people have seemed to agree that a $5 price point on TTM is worth it. Maybe they aren't aware that you can download good RPG Maker XP/VX/VX Ace games for free all over the place? I don't know.[/QUOTE]

Have you played To The Moon?
 
[quote name='Bios Element']Apparently, because you can play a game made using the same tools for free, you shouldn't buy the game to play it. Huh, I've been doing it wrong my entire life.[/QUOTE]
Did I say that you should or shouldn't do anything? No, I expressed my opinion why I thought the bundle was weak, and why I think so, the same as people expressed their opinions why they thought the bundle was good, and the same as people have expressed their opinions in the past why they thought other bundles were weak.

I'm sure the TTM story is great, and if it's worth it to you (or anyone) at this price, that's awesome. I'm just pointing out that you can get a lot of games very similar to TTM (and made by the same, or newer and more advanced programs) for free (you can download RPG Maker RTPs on the website for free, allowing you to download and play any RPG Maker game available online). Take it as you will.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Did I say that you should or shouldn't do anything? No, I expressed my opinion why I thought the bundle was weak, and why I think so, the same as people expressed their opinions why they thought the bundle was good, and the same as people have expressed their opinions in the past why they thought other bundles were weak.

I'm sure the TTM story is great, and if it's worth it to you (or anyone) at this price, that's awesome. I'm just pointing out that you can get a lot of games very similar to TTM (and made by the same, or newer and more advanced programs) for free. Take it as you will.[/QUOTE]

Have you played To The Moon?
 
[quote name='louiedog']Have you played To The Moon?[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Idiotekque']I'm sure the TTM story is great[/QUOTE]
I'd probably buy it for a dollar because of the generally positive reviews it's gotten. Until then, can't convince myself that it's worth the money.

I've played other RPG Maker games with wonderful stories, extensive custom content (if not full conversions not even using RTP resources), masterful scripting to change how the mechanics work, and a lot more work, all for free. I'm sure To The Moon does exactly that, and from reviews, I'm sure it's very well done (although I haven't heard much praise for the combat, just the story)... but it's not free, while its peers are.

That's all it comes down to, for me at least. If anyone else thinks otherwise, I don't think they're wrong, they just have a different perspective on the value than I do.
 
You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']I'd probably buy it for a dollar because of the generally positive reviews it's gotten. Until then, can't convince myself that it's worth the money.

I've played other RPG Maker games with wonderful stories, extensive custom content (if not full conversions not even using RTP resources), masterful scripting to change how the mechanics work, and a lot more work, all for free. I'm sure To The Moon does exactly that, and from reviews, I'm sure it's very well done (although I haven't heard much praise for the combat, just the story)... but it's not free, while its peers are.

That's all it comes down to, for me at least. If anyone else thinks otherwise, I don't think they're wrong, they just have a different perspective on the value than I do.[/QUOTE]
But you gotta collect them all :bouncy:
 
I agree with idiot, i would never pay money for an RPG maker game. Unless they make a sequel to Barkley: Shut Up and Jam Gaiden. It might be a cool story or whatever but I can't support that buffoonery. Just seems like a game made by a guy in a t shirt and a fedora. Never even heard of anything else in that bundle. Pass.
 
[quote name='DPsycho']You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, it's not a blind dismissal at all. Clearly To The Moon is a well made RPG Maker game, but I just personally wouldn't buy it (or any RPG Maker game, unless I wanted to support the creator) for the $5 asking price it's been at (it's less in this bundle, but since I'm not interested in the other games in the bundle, not really). The only RPG Maker game I ever paid for (I wanted the other games in the bundle) was Laxius Force, and it was completely awful. I wouldn't have downloaded that game for free had I known how bad it was.

I don't think anyone who likes it, or the current IR bundle, is wrong. It just seems like others are saying my contrary opinion is wrong, so I'm explaining myself a bit better.

I did link to an RPG Maker XP trilogy called One Night earlier, which is a survival horror RPG. I haven't played a whole lot of it (I've only played a bit of the first one thus far), but it seems pretty good, and it gets a lot of really good reviews (not to mention it's a trilogy, which is sort of cool). I believe they take a handful of hours each to complete.

It is refreshing to see an RPG Maker game achieve such notoriety though; sure. If I knew the maker and appreciated his work, I would probably have bought TTM earlier. True. As it stands though, there's more variety for free elsewhere, so TTM isn't worth it for me right now. I'm not trying to force anyone to see it my way or "convert" them, though.

If there was say... a program that allowed the user to make games like Borderlands, would I buy Borderlands? Probably not, or only at a low price, since I'd be able to pick up similar games with more variety for absolutely free. See what I'm saying here?


EDIT: Here's a link to the One Night trilogy.

http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/1030-the-one-night-trilogy-3-full-horror-games/
 
[quote name='DPsycho']You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.[/QUOTE]


This. The idea that something is devalued because the tools to make it are freely available is just silly. Especially when you haven't even played the game to make an informed comment as to the quality of the game compared to other stuff. I listen to a lot of music. Lately a ton of artists give out for free and a lot of it is great. I don't stop paying for good music just because there is good free music.

I got free food once. I therefore refuse to pay for food ever again.
 
[quote name='DPsycho']You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.[/QUOTE]

Well said! I make Android apps using Eclipse, which is freeware. It's good to see that some people support us poor guys who can't afford Maya and don't want to get caught using it illegally. ;)
 
[quote name='CheapLikeAFox']This. The idea that something is devalued because the tools to make it are freely available is just silly. Especially when you haven't even played the game to make an informed comment as to the quality of the game compared to other stuff. I listen to a lot of music. Lately a ton of artists give out for free and a lot of it is great. I don't stop paying for good music just because there is good free music.

I got free food once. I therefore refuse to pay for food ever again.[/QUOTE]
The tools to make RPG Maker games aren't freely available. They cost money (around $100 for the newest software).

And I didn't make an informed comment about the quality of TTM. In fact I assumed it was of high quality (why else would people like it?).

The fact is, I wouldn't pay for food if I could always get food elsewhere for free. Anyone can always get RPG Maker games for free, therefore it's going to take me (and probably others who have played RPG Maker games, free or not) a lot of convincing and a very very low price to pay for an RPG Maker game.

But if other people feel different, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what the argument is.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']The tools to make RPG Maker games aren't freely available. They cost money (around $100 for the newest software).

And I didn't make an informed comment about the quality of TTM. In fact I assumed it was of high quality (why else would people like it?).

The fact is, I wouldn't pay for food if I could always get food elsewhere for free. Anyone can always get RPG Maker games for free, therefore it's going to take me (and probably others who have played RPG Maker games, free or not) a lot of convincing and a very very low price to pay for an RPG Maker game.

But if other people feel different, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what the argument is.[/QUOTE]


Come on now, you stated multiple times that you can get free games just as good, even better, etc. You're in no position to make those comparisons since you haven't played to the moon.

There's a big difference between saying "I personally refuse to buy games made with RPM Maker because I can get games made by RPG Maker for free" and saying "You can get games just as good or even better for free."

You making comparisons as to quality of the games is where people have an issue. I have no argument, but I'm just saying if you haven't played TTM you'd be better served refraining from making any quality comparisons to other games since you have no basis for your opinion.
 
[quote name='CheapLikeAFox']Come on now, you stated multiple times that you can get free games just as good, even better, etc. You're in no position to make those comparisons since you haven't played to the moon.

There's a big difference between saying "I personally refuse to buy games made with RPM Maker because I can get games made by RPG Maker for free" and saying "You can get games just as good or even better for free."

You making comparisons as to quality of the games is where people have an issue. I have no argument, but I'm just saying if you haven't played TTM you'd be better served refraining from making any quality comparisons to other games since you have no basis for your opinion.[/QUOTE]
You're misunderstanding me, because I originally said "you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere." I didn't say that free games are better than TTM.

And in any case, I'm speaking in a more general sense. Ironically, some online free flash games are worlds better than games you have to pay for, so when I said "sometimes those free games are better", I was speaking in broad terms. Price doesn't always determine quality, that's all.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Story is great, it's just hard to justify paying for something that you can get for free elsewhere (and sometimes those free games are even better, or have even better stories). I use RPG Maker VX Ace (a newer version of the program), so maybe I have a more biased opinion.

I wasn't aware that the Blackwell series was made with Adventure Game Studio though. I've never actually played the Blackwell series, I just hear good about them now and then. Although I suppose that makes the bundle seem even less appealing now...


Oh I know, it's not my place to tell you (or anyone) that you shouldn't like To The Moon for any given reason. I'm just saying, it's confusing to some extent to me why people are so ready to spend money on something you can generally find for free (as is the case with RPG Maker games).

I'm not at all judging the game by its graphics (I'm a fan of JRPGs), I'm judging it by its price in comparison to the price of its peers (free). In this bundle, I can understand the appeal more (although I still think it's a very weak bundle for the high cost that IR charges). In the past though, people have seemed to agree that a $5 price point on TTM is worth it. Maybe they aren't aware that you can download good RPG Maker XP/VX/VX Ace games for free all over the place? I don't know.[/QUOTE]


I'm not misunderstanding anything. I've said my piece. No big deal.
 
[quote name='CheapLikeAFox']I'm not misunderstanding anything. I've said my piece. No big deal.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, that "sometimes" comment was geared towards free games versus paid for games in general, like I just said. I also wasn't expressly referring to TTM. Like I said, I paid for Laxius Force (an RPG Maker XP game like TTM) in a bundle, and it was terrible, and I've played free RPG Maker games much better than it.

Sometimes free games are better than paid for games. I've experienced exactly that. Is that the case for TTM? I don't know; I wasn't commenting on that. You did misunderstand me. That said, I understand what you're saying.
 
[quote name='ShockandAww']Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.[/QUOTE]
I have no experience with the DLC but Serious Sam 3 is god damn amazing. Let me explain why, Croteam packs the levels with a metric fuckton of enemies and well you feel like this is a fucking alien invasion. I can't recommend this game enough as long as you like mindless shooters.

Also XCOM is brilliant. The game itself is easy to pick up, but Ironman mode makes the game better. Every turn, action, everything is permanent, but it doesn't make the game harder. The game is just as difficult, it just puts more weight on everything you do down to movement because if you fuck up, oh well you can't go back.
 
[quote name='Blade']Did you get it to work? I didn't realize the code changed. It used to be a Chrome extension with a one-click install, but the newest version of Chrome only allows extensions from the Chrome Web Store to be installed.

All you have to do is download js file in that thread, go to "Settings" then "Extensions" and drag it into the window and click "Install".[/QUOTE]

THAT makes sense. Their instructions say you have to copy something into the target area and every way I tried didn't work.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']Like I said, that "sometimes" comment was geared towards free games versus paid for games in general, like I just said. I also wasn't expressly referring to TTM. Like I said, I paid for Laxius Force (an RPG Maker XP game like TTM) in a bundle, and it was terrible, and I've played free RPG Maker games much better than it.

Sometimes free games are better than paid for games. I've experienced exactly that. Is that the case for TTM? I don't know; I wasn't commenting on that. You misunderstood me. That said, I understand what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
I bought it, because unlike you, I'm an addict. :drool:
 
[quote name='sunasun']I bought it, because unlike you, I'm an addict. :drool:[/QUOTE]
No skin off your back... Unless of course you bought Laxius Force like me, in which case I'm sorry. :lol:
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I have no experience with the DLC but Serious Sam 3 is god damn amazing. Let me explain why, Croteam packs the levels with a metric fuckton of enemies and well you feel like this is a fucking alien invasion. I can't recommend this game enough as long as you like mindless shooters.

Also XCOM is brilliant. The game itself is easy to pick up, but Ironman mode makes the game better. Every turn, action, everything is permanent, but it doesn't make the game harder. The game is just as difficult, it just puts more weight on everything you do down to movement because if you fuck up, oh well you can't go back.[/QUOTE]

I've been playing without ironman mode on, but haven't reloaded, so essentially the same thing. I think for extra life I'm going to start a classic difficulty ironman playthrough.

And I agree, I'm loving every moment if it.
 
[quote name='SeymourGams']THAT makes sense. Their instructions say you have to copy something into the target area and every way I tried didn't work.[/QUOTE]

They wanted you to add command line code so when the application executes it will re-enable the ability to install unofficial Chrome extensions. The parameters would make it so you could then download the js and it would install automatically. It's not really necessary because there's such an easy work-around. In fact, it's potentially unsafe to do it their way.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']No skin off your back... Unless of course you bought Laxius Force like me, in which case I'm sorry. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I was wrong, sir. You are an addict. Damn I wish Origin would have another 100% off sale or even better Steam. :bouncy:
 
I did not like Serious Sam 3. Hell, I thought it was worse than Serious Sam TSE by miles and I don't even like Serious Sam in general.

SS is a mindless arcade shooter where you do a lot of backpedaling and strafing side to side as you shoot hordes of enemies. This gets old, however, as having a big fight of 50 enemies and then another fight of 70 enemies repeat ad infinitum wears out the welcome of the combat at Dynasty Warriors levels, and the shooting itself isn't gratifying enough to keep you coming back.

MANY disagree with me on this assessment but I stand by it. I've tried every Serious Sam game.

The problems unique to Serious Sam 3 are apparently a misguided fear of overplaying the 60+ monster melees, so enemies trickle in a half dozen at a time to each level and half of them are weak but fire hitscan bullets and the other half are lethal up close but take a lot of damage. There's nothing much else interesting in the dynamics, especially in those small trickles. Where giant slogs at least have the fun of mayhem, this trickle in crap ruins the pacing. It's just not fun even in the Serious Sam sense until you get to the last couple of levels, and even then, every new enemy, every new weapon, gadget, and gimmick in SS3 is a value subtract from SS:TSE. None of the new stuff is fun to fight or use.

The DLC, I cannot imagine buying for either game. The levels are largely homogenous and there is no small number of them. Any attempts at goofy variety in level design are almost always ill-conceived messes. There's so much monster shooting in the main game that I have my fill before the credits roll. I can't see myself signing up for more especially when you can go back and just co-op that stuff again to get your fix.

XCOM is a lot of fun though. A fantastic reimagining of the original that realizes, I think correctly, that you can't just copy-paste the old mechanics and capture the same magic. Goodness knows it has been tried, over and over and over again. Firaxis created a svelte, beautiful game that just works in most every way.

Only downside is that the final level is just boring as hell, and that even comes at the point in the game where combat is no longer a struggle but just something you have to do to keep the world from disintegrating. I didn't have the guts to do Ironman though and it does not seem fun to me.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']I did not like Serious Sam 3. Hell, I thought it was worse than Serious Sam TSE by miles and I don't even like Serious Sam in general.

SS is a mindless arcade shooter where you do a lot of backpedaling and strafing side to side as you shoot hordes of enemies. This gets old, however, as having a big fight of 50 enemies and then another fight of 70 enemies repeat ad infinitum wears out the welcome of the combat at Dynasty Warriors levels, and the shooting itself isn't gratifying enough to keep you coming back.

MANY disagree with me on this assessment but I stand by it. I've tried every Serious Sam game.

The problems unique to Serious Sam 3 are apparently a misguided fear of overplaying the 60+ monster melees, so enemies trickle in a half dozen at a time to each level and half of them are weak but fire hitscan bullets and the other half are lethal up close but take a lot of damage. There's nothing much else interesting in the dynamics, especially in those small trickles. Where giant slogs at least have the fun of mayhem, this trickle in crap ruins the pacing. It's just not fun even in the Serious Sam sense until you get to the last couple of levels, and even then, every new enemy, every new weapon, gadget, and gimmick in SS3 is a value subtract from SS:TSE. None of the new stuff is fun to fight or use.

The DLC, I cannot imagine buying for either game. The levels are largely homogenous and there is no small number of them. Any attempts at goofy variety in level design are almost always ill-conceived messes. There's so much monster shooting in the main game that I have my fill before the credits roll. I can't see myself signing up for more especially when you can go back and just co-op that stuff again to get your fix.[/QUOTE]
you just saved me 9 bucks, thank you, sir.
 
[quote name='sunasun']you just saved me 9 bucks, thank you, sir.[/QUOTE]
Well, again, a LOT of people disagree with me.

What you CAN do with that saved money is just buy SS:TSE. Get classic for $2.50. It's still such a nice looking game that the HD remake is kinda superfluous, though you won't go wrong getting the newer edition for $5.

If you think you'd like SS, TSE is by miles the best choice. All three games offer really the same sort of stuff so you don't really have to get the newest unless you are arranging a co-op party or something.

I don't generally think you SHOULD but there is some simple joy to be had with the game. It really grated on me after a while and didn't feel fulfilling, but, if you HAD the itch, WANTED Serious Sam, that's probably the most CAG-like decision.
 
[quote name='CheapLikeAFox']Which one is the survival horror one you were talking about.[/QUOTE]
I think One Night 3 is on that list. There are 3 (or 4, I'm not sure) One Night games. I've only played some of the first. I think 3 has gotten the best reviews.

All this talk about RPG Maker games makes me want to play them a bit more... Or work on my own that I've been procrastinating. >_
 
[quote name='vince_carter']I agree with idiot, i would never pay money for an RPG maker game. Unless they make a sequel to Barkley: Shut Up and Jam Gaiden. It might be a cool story or whatever but I can't support that buffoonery. Just seems like a game made by a guy in a t shirt and a fedora. Never even heard of anything else in that bundle. Pass.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that I'll never buy an RPG maker game, but I definitely see it as a small mark against it.

I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to care about that aspect, but seeing people use silly, inapt analogies as arguments against that sentiment is annoying.

Like: "I guess I shouldn't buy books because I have a word processor capable of writing books." Well here's a counter stupid-analogy:

No, it's more like if you were familiar with a program called "Book Writer" where you fill in some character names and major plot points and "Book Writer" fills in the rest of the writing for you. I think a lot of people would be less interested in "Book Writer" books, since they all read similarly and don't take much effort or creativity to write.
 
[quote name='Idiotekque']I think One Night 3 is on that list. There are 3 (or 4, I'm not sure) One Night games. I've only played some of the first. I think 3 has gotten the best reviews.

All this talk about RPG Maker games makes me want to play them a bit more... Or work on my own that I've been procrastinating. >_
 
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