The TNA Wrestling Five Year Anniversary & Sherri Martel Memorial Topic

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Very good PPV from TNA. I was rooting for Joe, however, so I'm a little let down.

The KOTM match has way too many ingredients in it. I'm not a fan of it, even if it was performed well. The only exception was when Tenay and West were braying about how Chris Harris was locked in the cage, and the camera switched to a cage shot of Harris' hand being two inches from an unlocked latch that anybody could unlock with ease. :lol:

Of course, with Joe getting the short shrift due to "qualifying" to hang the title :)roll:) when Angle tapped, and the ref being knocked out, looks like we may get an Angle/Joe title match. Let this one build for a few months, TNA. No need to rush this one, man.
 
Well that's funny. I believe Kurt is the first TNA champion to have held the WWE title as well, no?

I also wonder why the Tenta topic didn't hit 500?
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Well that's funny. I believe Kurt is the first TNA champion to have held the WWE title as well, no?[/QUOTE]

Correct. Obviously however Kurt is not the first World Title holder in TNA to have held gold in the WWE as some point.
 
Solid PPV IMO. I was goin nuts when Machismo won. Holy crap Sabin is gay now. Did anyone else see the "Sting and Daniels both like stuff on their face" sign?:rofl: The camera showed it for a good 5 seconds. I called that the 5th contestant would be Harris and that Angle would win, not sure if that's a good thing. I like the betrayal of Lynn as well.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Correct. Obviously however Kurt is not the first World Title holder in TNA to have held gold in the WWE as some point.[/quote]

Well naturally. Did Kurt hold the ECW title before he got injured. I am leaning towards "no"

Big Show could still become the first to hold the WWE title, ECW title (sort of) and WCW title (when it was owned by WCW) as well as the TNA title.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Well naturally. Did Kurt hold the ECW title before he got injured. I am leaning towards "no"[/QUOTE]

According to Wikipedia its a big no.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']According to Wikipedia its a big no.[/quote]

Ya, if memory serves, RVD won the belt first, then Big Show got it when RVD F'd up with the arrest. Angle was on and off TV during that time and shortly after was let go.

If, TNA picked up guys like Big Show, Jericho and Goldberg right now while WWE is obviously at their very worst with the McMahon death angle and all of the injuries, they'd really be legit competition even in Vince's eyes. Now is the time to make a move, especially with the belt around Angle, a guy that has credibility in ever corner of the wrestling world.
 
WWE is far from "at their worst" right now (what with them still putting on great wrestling matches and all), and Angle never had the ECW Title, although he wanted to win it at Summerslam, despite having a torn groin muscle. Just having a roster of ex-WWE talent won't make TNA competition - TNA getting their product to the masses and getting impressive ratings and buyrates will do that though.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Ya, if memory serves, RVD won the belt first, then Big Show got it when RVD F'd up with the arrest. Angle was on and off TV during that time and shortly after was let go.

If, TNA picked up guys like Big Show, Jericho and Goldberg right now while WWE is obviously at their very worst with the McMahon death angle and all of the injuries, they'd really be legit competition even in Vince's eyes. Now is the time to make a move, especially with the belt around Angle, a guy that has credibility in ever corner of the wrestling world.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, the horrible McMahon death angle aside, WWE was in a very good position. Taker, HHH, HBK, and the other injuries are GOOD things. These people need to stay the hell off TV for a year or two (or three, or four, or . . . oh hell, forever). My only hope is that Khali & Batista get shelved with injuries (permanently).

The draft intially pissed me off, because all it did was take the best homegrown SD! stars and swapped them with a whole slew of jobbers, women who have no purpose being on SD!, failed main-eventers, and poor old Ric Flair (who probably won't live through the year, let alone continue to wrestle through it). However it got Black Lesnar away from ECW and vacated the ECW strap (which in turn, allows me to watch ECW again, since I vowed to never watch it with BL as champ) & at least Edge is still SD! champ, so things are still solid.

As for Slammiversary . . . I hope the PPV came off better than the results, as I'm pretty indifferent to them. ESPECIALLY with Joe not getting the TNA strap. This was the perfect oppurtunity to send a message that TNA is about MAKING stars, not re-using old ones and look who ends up with the strap :roll: Don't get me wrong, I like Angle and I would have loved to see him get it eventually, but TNA needed Joe to win that match.
 
I did not watch the show. I don't order PPVs, and I couldn't find a stream, so I must wait it's on Daily motion.

That being said, I'm surprised by the positive reactions here, since this show looks like it was absolute crap until the last couple matches. For 1 of TNA's 2 biggest shows, that's not good. I may change my mind after watching it, but having all but those last 2 matches go well under 10 minutes, including a 6 minute Daniels/Sting match, is unacceptable.

And while I like Kurt Angle, I am now convinced that Joe will never become TNA Champion.
 
[quote name='cdeener']You mean Black Machismo my friend, Ohhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Good to see him get a title push because he has one of the funniest gimmicks in a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ520jGU2Ss[/quote]

I gotta agree with that. I don't know how long Jay can run with that, but it is entertaining and I usually don't like gimmicks much.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']And while I like Kurt Angle, I am now convinced that Joe will never become TNA Champion.[/QUOTE]
If common sense and logical justice exist in TNA, they'll allow Joe to become TNA champion after a long, epic feud with Kurt Angle, making Joe look that much more viable as champ.

Here's to hoping that the feud is better this time around.
 
[quote name='Brak']If common sense and logical justice exist in TNA, they'll allow Joe to become TNA champion after a long, epic feud with Kurt Angle, making Joe look that much more viable as champ.

Here's to hoping that the feud is better this time around.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Hasn't it been pretty obvious that he is going to win the title at BFG? Myke pointed out that this was probably going to happen (Angle winning the strap and Joe chasing until BFG) a while ago and what they have been doing between the two has looked for a long time that they wanted to make this their money fued heading towards their most important PPV.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']interesting how 3d are in the heel positions.[/quote]

It's cause people know that they haven't done a damn thing that isn't worth noting since the first One Night Stand PPV. They're pretty much like a bunch of old WCW wrestlers, just there to collect a paycheck. They're about as annoying as VKM when geting on the mic, same crap different wrestlers.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']It's cause people know that they haven't done a damn thing that isn't worth noting since the first One Night Stand PPV. They're pretty much like a bunch of old WCW wrestlers, just there to collect a paycheck. They're about as annoying as VKM when geting on the mic, same crap different wrestlers.[/quote]

As much as I used to like the Dudleys, I have to agree wholeheartedly with that statement.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']It's cause people know that they haven't done a damn thing that isn't worth noting since the first One Night Stand PPV. They're pretty much like a bunch of old WCW wrestlers, just there to collect a paycheck. They're about as annoying as VKM when geting on the mic, same crap different wrestlers.[/QUOTE]

I think it's more Bubba Ray than D-von. D-Von is in fantastic shape, so he clearly cares. Bubba has put on damn near every pound he had back in the early days of the Dudleys in ECW (which was mostly long gone by the time they came to the WWF), and his interviews are really, really boring.

I think they got away with lacking something that good face tag teams need: a babyface in peril. Most of the great good guy tag teams had the guys who got beat up for the middle of the match, got the crowd to clamor for the hot tag, and then...there was the hot tag. Shawn Michaels did it, Jeff Hardy did it (does it), Ricky Morton was one of the finest at it...and the Dudleys just don't have it (to me, anyway).

Their matches are so derivative, so formulaic, so redundant...every one the same. People may have called John Cena, or RVD, or someone else, a 5-move wonder (every match follows the same pattern)...but they don't hold a candle to the Dudleys.

That said, they rightfully won last night. They shouldn't be jobbing to Rick and Animal. Steiner Brothers? Maybe, but if so, just barely.

VKM isn't so derivative, but their phony "controversy" gimmick, and their schtick, just ain't cutting it ten years after it was cool. In addition, I have a hard time cheering for a tag team, who, as babyfaces, are goal-oriented towards beating up a woman (Hemme).
 
[quote name='Matt Young']And while I like Kurt Angle, I am now convinced that Joe will never become TNA Champion.[/quote]

I hate to say this, but Joe's look is his own worst enemy.

He is great in the ring, but he looks like Fat Elvis while wrestling. I don't think a casual fan will take him as seriously as they should. He needs to be covered up like Mick Foley was too IMO.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I hate to say this, but Joe's look is his own worst enemy.

He is great in the ring, but he looks like Fat Elvis while wrestling. I don't think a casual fan will take him as seriously as they should. He needs to be covered up like Mick Foley was too IMO.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I definitely agree.

It's hard for me to take him seriously when he looks so ridiculous. Maybe he needs a new haircut or something.

My gf laughed the first time she saw him.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I hate to say this, but Joe's look is his own worst enemy.

He is great in the ring, but he looks like Fat Elvis while wrestling. I don't think a casual fan will take him as seriously as they should. He needs to be covered up like Mick Foley was too IMO.[/quote]

I'm not a casual fan, and I too, don't see what the hype is about.
 
The only thing I don't like about Joe is his cookie-cut promos. They remind me of Triple H's "I AM THE GAME I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS" horseshit.

Not as bad, of course.

I like Joe because he's different.
 
Since this is the TNA topic, here's something for you:

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/S...usType=BtoC&Count1=337902247&Count2=255042672

It's $99, but it contains 3 DVD sets (6 discs total) and 8 signed color 8X10 photos). Having previously owned those DVD sets personally, I sold the Bloodiest Brawls one on eBay last year for $75 before shipping. It's rare and OOP b/c some of the ex-ECW guys on there (Sandman, I think) are wearing ECW gear, and perhaps also they can't use Justin Credible's name. Hell of a deal if you have the cash.
 
[quote name='SIUfan']I'm not a casual fan, and I too, don't see what the hype is about.[/quote]

Third'd.

Remember though, if you ask the IWC the best federation EVER is ROH; and that is where you see all the hype on SJ.
 
Hmm, so we can blame USA for all this nonsense...

apparently:

USA Network officials are wanting even more out of RAW, given the ratings decrease over the last few weeks. This was one reason for the draft lottery to "stack" the RAW roster. The SmackDown roster got weaker but this is because RAW is the companies prime show and brings in the most revenue.

This was also the reason for the exploding limousine on last week's RAW and Vince's death angle. With the combination of the two strategies WWE officials are hoping to increase RAW's rating over the summer months and please the USA Network.
Click to expand...

I also read that the Limo idea had been pitched awhile ago, but was shot down. They only claim to have brought it back up because USA wants higher ratings.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I hate to say this, but Joe's look is his own worst enemy.

He is great in the ring, but he looks like Fat Elvis while wrestling. I don't think a casual fan will take him as seriously as they should. He needs to be covered up like Mick Foley was too IMO.[/QUOTE]

I saw the exact opposite reaction to Joe. When my friend saw him kicking AJ Styles in the face and doing a horrific facewash to Ron Killings, he flipped out and thought that no one had taugh Joe that prowrestling was "fake".

I think most of the Samoa Joe hate on the internet (not that there's an abundance of it) is because he's popular now and internet wrestling nerds hate it when "their" wrestler becomes well-known/popular.

I mean, you can look waaaaaay back to when The Rock was with the Nation of Domination. The internet rumblings for him were exceedingly positive, mainstream acceptance followed and then all of the sudden all the internet wrestling fans turned on him and decided he was ruining wrestling.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Since this is the TNA topic, here's something for you:

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/S...usType=BtoC&Count1=337902247&Count2=255042672

It's $99, but it contains 3 DVD sets (6 discs total) and 8 signed color 8X10 photos). Having previously owned those DVD sets personally, I sold the Bloodiest Brawls one on eBay last year for $75 before shipping. It's rare and OOP b/c some of the ex-ECW guys on there (Sandman, I think) are wearing ECW gear, and perhaps also they can't use Justin Credible's name. Hell of a deal if you have the cash.[/QUOTE]

I actually still have those three DVDs. Got them in a package deal back in the day for $55 or so. Ironically a few days after I ordered the set TNA suddenly pulled it off of their webstore. The Bloodiest Brawls DVD was never sold again until this package.

I wonder how much between these three DVDs will be recycled on that Year 1 DVD coming out this November.

Oh, and video/audio quality wise its actually very good. There is some light compression artifacts at times but otherwise its very clean and solid looking overall. The sound quality is absolutely NICE with a nice Dolby Digital stereo track - very nice dynamics, Mike and Don are very understandable with their play by play, etc etc etc.

Just to give a heads up there are a few slight edits done to a few matches. I remember one match on the X Division set having an edit - I think it was one with Amazing Red but I can't remember where the edit was. The other edit that comes straight to mind is from JJ vs Raven's "Destiny" match that is on the "Best Of The Title Matches." Spoilerized for those who haven't seen this match since it gives away a MAJOR surprise apperance....

It cuts from right before Sabu's exit when he tripped over the guard rail right into a fan to when the ref *finally* found the key to unlock JJ from the handcuffs that Raven & Team Extreme put him in.

I nearly forgot but also on the "Title Matches" the "Gauntlet For The Gold" is HEAVILY edited. Thankfully for the better in this case as a good chunk of the Gauntlet wasn't very good. The best parts are still in fact... yes including the all but brief cameo by some guy name Justice. I think his name is now some weird name... something about Abyss or something like that. ;)
 
[quote name='Halo05']
I think most of the Samoa Joe hate on the internet (not that there's an abundance of it) is because he's popular now and internet wrestling nerds hate it when "their" wrestler becomes well-known/popular.

I mean, you can look waaaaaay back to when The Rock was with the Nation of Domination. The internet rumblings for him were exceedingly positive, mainstream acceptance followed and then all of the sudden all the internet wrestling fans turned on him and decided he was ruining wrestling.[/quote]

While given my ridiculous # of posts in these wrestling topics alone, one could certainly call me an IWN, I never even pretended to like Joe, or CM Punk for that matter.

I wasn't on the internet back when The Rock was coming up, perhaps that's why I enjoyed wrestling more then. Either that or because the storylines were much more entertaining and the wrestlers actually had charisma.
 
i liked the rock before he became the rock... I liked edge when the brood was out( i liked gangrels finisher better back then) my problem with some of the pushes these guys get is if you don't know why a guy is getting pushed then he doesn't deserve it...
 
...and Cena is making millions cutting promos and pissing off fans. That TNA DVD deal is incredible, and they definitely couldn't get away with putting those ECW-gear matches on DVD now, as the blurring they'd require would be way too annoying to justify re-releasing them on DVD. They'd probably also have to re-dub the commentary due the Justin Credible name issue, although he's used that name since leaving WWE, so maybe that matter is cleared up.
 
Okay, we get it, you don't like Cena.

Hardy-Daivari was... okay, but like the tag opener, too short to have any meaning (which I expect will be a recurring problem on this angle-driven show).
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Sheiky wants the Iron Sheik Show and Iron Sheik Productions. Make it happen, WWE.[/quote]
He should get his own show called Geek to Sheik. The premise would be them bringing the Sheik arrogant nerds and then he would proceed to fuck them in the ass and humble them.
 
Question: When was the last time Mick Foley won a match ?

Oh and Raw is arse for another week, and it's 3 hours of arse next week, woo hoo :roll:
 
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