The Wii VC Thread - 12/31/07: Bubble Bobble, Light Crusader, Top Hunter

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I decided to watch some youtube videos of castlevania 2 and the first one was the Angry Video Game Nerd complaining about Castlevania 2. it sounds like it would rub every inch of me the wrong way. Having to collect tons of hearts to buy non-explained items that you lose if you die, the day/night stuff, nonsensical puzzles, and the lack of bosses bore me. Tell me when they get Castlevania 3 with the japanese soundtrack and I'll buy!
 
[quote name='Strell']Castlevania 2 tells you to shove it.[/quote]

if you're trying to say that castlevania 2: simon's quest is at all good, please search for 'angry video game nerd castlevania' on a site like youtube and watch the resulting video. If this doesnt convince you castlevania 2 is crap, i dont know what will.
 
[quote name='jack001']if you're trying to say that castlevania 2: simon's quest is at all good, please search for 'angry video game nerd castlevania' on a site like youtube and watch the resulting video. If this doesnt convince you castlevania 2 is crap, i dont know what will.[/QUOTE]

Have you played the game, or are you just going by some stupid act on Youtube?

There's others in this thread who like it also. It's pure old school goodness. I'm sorry some wuss who thinks he's funny is convincing you to not play the game, probably it's too hard for his womanly hands to handle.
 
[quote name='Strell']There's others in this thread who like it also. It's pure old school goodness.[/QUOTE]

I like the game, and its nighttime/daytime function is cool in my book. However, its more non-linear level design and map system make it feel like a lesser Castlevania game.

So for these reasons, I won't be downloading it.

Oh, I forgot; another reason is that I have the game sitting on a shelf in my office roughly four feet from where I have a 27" flatscreen Sony Wega CRT with an NES connected to it.

But yeah, fuck that Angry Video Game Nerd bullshit.
 
It wasn't the angry video game nerd, it was the gameplay concepts that turned me off to the game.

I don't like having to redo things and I don't like nonsensical puzzles. No bosses is also bad. I have 800 points sitting in my account and it's reserved for Earthbound anyways.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']Earthbound will probably be 900 pts...[/quote]Based on evidence at hand, nah, it won't be. There are plenty of titles they could have overcharged for that they haven't, so they won't for the cult classics.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']Earthbound will probably be 900 pts...[/QUOTE]
I'd still buy it right away, even if it was 1200.
 
[quote name='Foladar']I'd still buy it right away, even if it was 1200.[/QUOTE]

Edit this post before Nintendo sees it!
 
Dunno why I could never get into the Castlevania series (and I have so many of them!).

Never played more than ten or so minutes of II, before getting bored.

Looks like my points stay unused for another week.
 
[quote name='Strell']Have you played the game, or are you just going by some stupid act on Youtube?

There's others in this thread who like it also. It's pure old school goodness. I'm sorry some wuss who thinks he's funny is convincing you to not play the game, probably it's too hard for his womanly hands to handle.[/QUOTE]
I love Castlevania 2. Very challenging game, but still fun (I did have to cheat in a few parts, BUT WHO WOULDN't!?). Angry Video Game Nerd has funny videos, but I disagree with everything he says. He basically took all the games from our past that we used to love (Castlevania 2, TMNT, etc.) and made fun of them. I still like both of those games and he really should have no influence on anyone's view of gaming.
 
Very tempted to get a Wii, a points card, CV II and find out if I'm a man.

I've played it sporadically but the whole, "Here's the world, good luck sucker!" approach is frankly, terrifying. At least in Ghouls N' Ghosts I knew I just had to keep fighting to the right until the game ended.
 
[quote name='Strell']Have you played the game, or are you just going by some stupid act on Youtube?

There's others in this thread who like it also. It's pure old school goodness. I'm sorry some wuss who thinks he's funny is convincing you to not play the game, probably it's too hard for his womanly hands to handle.[/QUOTE]

Jumping in to defend the Angry Video Game Nerd. The substantive things he said about Castlevania were spot on. There was zero direction in game for the more odd puzzles and the interuptions for the transistion to night was annoying.

That being said, with a guide in hand the game was fun, it was nice to see Konami tweak the formula.
 
I picked up Magician Lord this morning and it was just as good as I remember. The last time I played this was probably more than a decade ago at like a bowling alley. For those who are on the fence about it, it's like Altered Beast but actually good.
 
Stop that, you're going to make me shell out for Magician Lord.

Now if they had Baseball Stars, I'd really be in trouble with my wallet...
 
Pbhhbbt.

If you weenies want to see a game that gives you NO direction, and is much more difficult than Castlevania 2, go fire up Legacy of the Wizard.

You donks think you've got something to complain about now? LotW is going to make you rip your own fingernails out and jam their right in your eyes.
 
[quote name='Strell']Pbhhbbt.

If you weenies want to see a game that gives you NO direction, and is much more difficult than Castlevania 2, go fire up Legacy of the Wizard.

You donks think you've got something to complain about now? LotW is going to make you rip your own fingernails out and jam their right in your eyes.[/QUOTE]

Milons Secret Castle FTW!
 
[quote name='foltzie']Jumping in to defend the Angry Video Game Nerd. The substantive things he said about Castlevania were spot on. There was zero direction in game for the more odd puzzles and the interuptions for the transistion to night was annoying.

That being said, with a guide in hand the game was fun, it was nice to see Konami tweak the formula.[/quote]
See, I'm perfectly fine with that. I even laughed at the AVGN treatment of Castlevania II, TMNT, and Top Gun (all games I've played through, finished, and like despite their flaws) because a lot of it is true. What I'm not fine with is being asked to take AVGN's word as gospel, and it was that mentality exhibited by many of his fans that turned me off to him for a while.

It's entertainment as well as editorial, and I want to be able to enjoy it without being told I'm an idiot for liking games he features. As long as I get that, I'm willing to admit the games have their flaws.

BTW, I'm surprised the music hasn't gotten much mention. Not only is Castlevania II the origin of Bloody Tears (afaik) it features the creepiest password screen music ever.
 
This week's Japanese VC releases:
* Hanjuku Hero (Famicom, 1 player, 600 Wii Points)
* Yoshi's Story (Nintendo 64, 1 player, 1000 Wii Points)
* Assault Suits Leynos (Target Earth) (Mega Drive, 1 player, 600 Wii Points)
 
So Nintendo runs an article on Pro Wrestling in Nintendo Power and STILL we have yet to see its release on the VC, also where's Battletoads/Double Dragon for SNES or Genesis, that would be great...
-Goatman
 
I've been thinking about Castlevania 2, and I just wanted to chime in.

IGN's review of it basically said "it was good 20 years ago, but doesn't hold up to today's mechanics," meaning that they are saying the design of the game back then doesn't mesh with today, where gamers generally are told exactly what to do and how to do it.

Now, I've been playing the game recently, and I don't remember a whole lot about it other than it was awesome back then, so there's a definite nostalgia factor at play in my decision to purchase it.

But I gotta say - this game is not nearly as cryptic and unforgiving as people are making it out to be. I keep hearing about how the translation is so terrible that you can't figure out what to do without outside game help. Then I hear that an example of this is "how do you know what to do in order to get Dracula's Rib?"

Now I won't call myself completely old school, because there's a good amount I missed out on. But part of me really resonates to the older style of thinking that had to be used when it came to some of these games. Namely, in C2, if you utilize what is around you, it's not too hard to figure anything out.

So, when you are in the mansion to get the Rib, old school Castlevania instincts kick in, and you start trying to do things a little outside of the box. Namely, attacking blocks - as is the case with every Castlevania game ever made - usually yields hidden items. There are books in the mansions that give you clues, and one of them specifically says "use the stake to get the Rib."

And then - lo and behold - there's a guy on the next screen who is selling a stake.

Now, I think most people can piece that together. But that might be my biased opinion since I've played a lot of Castlevania, and I know it's worth my while to attack every 2-3 deep block wall I find with every weapon I have.

I also know that when it comes to games, it's generally best to 1) buy everything you can, and 2) try everything you can think of. In this case, I hear a lot of whining about how "wtf do teh crystals do, and how do I know to buy them?" Well, the fact that the game tries to sell them to you ought to be the first hint.

It makes me wonder. You know in the first Zelda, if you were playing it the first time ever, and you finally are trying to find the last dungeon where Ganon is, not only do you have to determine where to bomb on the overworld map to find it, but when you're IN the damn thing, you have to figure out how to find the treasures in there, find Ganon's lair, and finally learn how to kill him. And you have little to no help in learning all of this, outside of a few cryptic old men.

I guess what I'm saying is that the game is being unfairly maligned against "modern game structure" because it's design was of a completely different method-set back then. But a gamer ought to know enough basic rules to get through the game, and even IF they can't, there's always WussFAQs and whatnot available.

I'm not on a crusade to make everyone get C2, or even try it. I'm just saying that it's not this unassailable mountain of misery that some people are pretending and claiming it is.
 
[quote name='Strell']But part of me really resonates to the older style of thinking that had to be used when it came to some of these games. Namely, in C2, if you utilize what is around you, it's not too hard to figure anything out.[/QUOTE]Exactly. When you get the the boss at the end of a game; or even at the end of a difficult level, I like to feel like I deserve to be there. There's a lot of hand-holding these days with some games (even games I still enjoy like Metroid Prime 3), and I'm not as apt as I used to be to sit for hours re-playing through level after level just to find the Mummy's Chalice or whatever, but I still love a good challenge.
[quote name='Halo05']...CV II...but the whole, "Here's the world, good luck sucker!" approach is frankly, terrifying.[/QUOTE]

That's what they told me when I was born, son. Deal with it.
 
Castlevania 2 is in the Zelda 2 love it or hate it Category. I personally am not a fan, it's very confusing in it's non-linear format.
 
Castlevania 2 is the only game I played where I actually called the Nintendo hotline. I was stuck as shit in that game as a kid. Turned out I had to equip Drac's heart and then talk to the boatman, something I would have probably never figured out.

Also, this game was one of my Mom's favorite NES games of all time. She beat it serveral times and even played it on an NES emulator I set up on her computer.
 
when will they give us silver surfer for the NES??? It is obviously the best old school game ever made...way better than castlevania 2 or ghostbusters or any of those games...
 
Hope you guys like raccoons.

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Confirmed for Monday:
SMB3 (NES)
Power Golf (TG16)
Alien Soldier (Gen)
 
Wait, wha? I would say they were a week early, but I guess they don't want to give you SMB3 a day before Galaxy is out. Nice to see they're going to keep up with that sort of cross-promotion.
 
Oh fuck Mario 3 is here. Now if I only didn't waste all my cash on a $140 shipped Zune from Amazon today I would have enough cash to get a points card, lol. Anyway this is a day 1 purchase next time I do get a points card :D
 
[quote name='JJSP']Remember, Secret Santas, the more VC games you buy, the better your chances of getting Donkey Kong Math. ;)[/QUOTE]

LMAO

And then we can use DK Jr. Math to calculate just how much we screwed everything up for ourselves, aye?
 
Alien Solder sounds awesome from the review I read over at DigitPress.

Essentially, it's Gunstar Heroes, but fighting a lot of bosses instead of going through levels. And being from Treasure, I'm willing to bet the game is awesome.

I think I'll pick it up as well.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Is there a certain time that the new games are up on the VC?[/QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, they are usually up at 9 AM PST.
 
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