The Wii VC Thread - 12/31/07: Bubble Bobble, Light Crusader, Top Hunter

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[quote name='RelentlessRolento']so i'm too tired to look at them individually but what games are action rpgs that play like zelda rip offs (or are zelda)?


also, what good rpgs are there?[/QUOTE]

If you check out info on Neutopia/Neutopia II you will see this is the CLOSEST you will get to a Zelda rip off. I hear mixed things about it, but they are both on Turbografx16 and are both $6. So if that's your kind of game, you should check it out :)
 
[quote name='lilboo']If you check out info on Neutopia/Neutopia II you will see this is the CLOSEST you will get to a Zelda rip off. I hear mixed things about it, but they are both on Turbografx16 and are both $6. So if that's your kind of game, you should check it out :)[/quote]
I also think Beyond Oasis for the Genesis is close to an action/adventure RPG. Never played it myself, but I hear it was a fun game back in its day.

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thanks for the input guys... I'll definitely pick those up next week afer the big holiday. I think #1 game I need to get is LoZ:OoT since I've never played any of the 3d zeldas and never cared to. I just need to at least get around to it sometime.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']thanks for the input guys... I'll definitely pick those up next week afer the big holiday. I think #1 game I need to get is LoZ:OoT since I've never played any of the 3d zeldas and never cared to. I just need to at least get around to it sometime.[/quote]

If there was a jaw-dropping smiley, I'd put it right here. That's crazy talk!

Anyways, I really don't think zelda:eek:ot is gunna do you justice as it is an outdated game...unless of course you wouldn't mind the choppy 3d graphics

I'd highly recomend Zelda: Twilight Princess or even Windwaker over OoT as it's more of a game that is better either when a)your a kid and/or have low expectations for a game or b)n64 is your most recent system

Just forewarnin' ya
 
Uh...

Windwaker shouldn't be recommended first as that actually takes place in the timeline after OoT and Majora's Mask. Not an immediate sequel, but it does take place after them.

And Twilight Princess will likely bore him to death with the incredibly tedious wolf-Link moments. TP is a decent game, but it's really the weakest of the 3D Zelda games.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']Uh...

Windwaker shouldn't be recommended first as that actually takes place in the timeline after OoT and Majora's Mask. Not an immediate sequel, but it does take place after them.

And Twilight Princess will likely bore him to death with the incredibly tedious wolf-Link moments. TP is a decent game, but it's really the weakest of the 3D Zelda games.[/QUOTE]

I was one of those people who started with OoT long after the 64 was dead.. and while I can put up with FF7's crappy graphics, I cannot stand the camera in OoT it is not very fun.. at least to me.. same thing with Mario 64 (but its a *little* more bearable in that game) ..

TP is an excellent game I would recommend it .. it looks great and plays great.. i would start there..
 
[quote name='Tsukento']Uh...

Windwaker shouldn't be recommended first as that actually takes place in the timeline after OoT and Majora's Mask. Not an immediate sequel, but it does take place after them.

And Twilight Princess will likely bore him to death with the incredibly tedious wolf-Link moments. TP is a decent game, but it's really the weakest of the 3D Zelda games.[/quote]

It wouldn't matter if WW's storyline took place after OoT's anyways, they are two completely different games. It's like watching the spiritual sequel to the greatest movie, ever made. It's not gunna live up to the hype and critic's praise, but it will undoubtedly please the fans (if of course made by the same people and the same effort was devoted to it). Sure, you'll miss a few things here and there but that's it. The more current it is, the better off you'll be. It simply won't feel dated and even though you won't get the full experience outta WW or TP, you'll still get a hell of a lot out of them.
 
i hope SM RPG comes on the VC it is one of the best games I've ever played.. and I STILL play it from time to time.. its just that cool to me..

anyways..

for RPGS.. Paper Mario, Breath of Fire 2, Shining Force, and many other TurboGraphix games look like they could be RPGS..

if you like "action" games like Zelda.. try the Streets of Rage series or the Golden Axe series.. they are "beat 'em ups" but play like the "fighting" in the 2D zelda games..
 
[quote name='lilboo']In case you missed it, Monday's released have been leaked. These are never wrong.

Blades of Steel - NES - 500 Points
Donkey Kong Country 3 - SNES -800 Points
Rolling Thunder 2 - GEN - 800 Points


THAT'S what we are getting on Monday, Christmas Eve.[/quote]

bummer...even the greatness that is donkey kong can't make thisi list good enough for the holidays
 
In terms of taste, I'd probably go with Wind Waker due to the visual style. Being an artist, this makes sense >_<

To me, OoT seemed like a good jumping in point, and TP seems a little too overwhelming to be honest.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I see these updates through the thread title every week, and I have yet to see anything that interests me.

Maybe I'll fire up the Wii for the first time in three months and see what's there.
 
I thought the DS demo station was coming out this year. :( Still, Brades of Steer is hot. and I had no idea there was a Rolling Thunder 2!! :hot:
edit: looking at gamefaqs, there was a Rolling Thunder 3 as well. wtf.

[quote name='RelentlessRolento']thanks for the input guys... I'll definitely pick those up next week afer the big holiday. I think #1 game I need to get is LoZ:OoT since I've never played any of the 3d zeldas and never cared to. I just need to at least get around to it sometime.[/QUOTE]


Skip OOT and go straight to WW or Twilight Princess.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Has OOT really aged that badly?[/QUOTE]


it still plays fine, but the hype is mostly nostalgia-- WW and TP were much better games.
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']DK3 is the weakest of the three but it is still a solid platforming game and I recommend it.[/QUOTE]


I completely agree.
Not a bad game at all..just wasn't the best of 3!
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Has OOT really aged that badly?[/quote]
Yes. I absolutely hate it. I missed it the first time around, and just played it this summer (borrowed it from a friend)

the main things that are wrong with it:
bad graphics
story basically a copy of LttP
Really high expectations from all of the positive reviews.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Has OOT really aged that badly?[/quote]

I really don't believe it has. It's true that nearly every game from the 32/64-bit generation has aged more rapidly than ones from the 8-bit and 16-bit generations, but I think OOT is one of the few exceptions. I played it last year and still had a blast.

I'll defend to the death LTTP's place as the best Zelda of all-time, but I think OOT deserves a place right by its side as the second-best.
 
That's a uninteresting release list if true. Was hoping for something good to use up the last 800 points I have. Oh well maybe next week.
 
[quote name='Doomed']Yes. I absolutely hate it. I missed it the first time around, and just played it this summer (borrowed it from a friend)

the main things that are wrong with it:
bad graphics
story basically a copy of LttP
Really high expectations from all of the positive reviews.[/QUOTE]

Bad graphics is kind of like saying "the grapes that made this bottle of wine are not nearly as sweet as the ones I just bought at the store." So I'm afraid it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Story being a copy of LttP is pretty silly too. All Zeldas more or less revolve around the same concepts, but OoT first introduced a lot of staples into the formula, including the idea of deities, other tribes/peoples within Hyrule, and further fleshed out a few minor characters as well as introducing new ones.

As for the last part, that's somewhat unfair to attribute to Zelda. For example, I haven't watched Evangelion yet, but I'm pretty sure there's no way I'll avoid a feeling of disappointment from it, as everyone talks to highly.

In short, I think you've probably got some valid claims against it, but right now you're focusing on a lot of weak accusations.

Besides, you can't really make a call on how it's aged if you didn't play it the first time around.
 
[quote name='Apossum']it still plays fine, but the hype is mostly nostalgia-- WW and TP were much better games.[/quote]

exactly

[quote name='rapsodist']I really don't believe it has. It's true that nearly every game from the 32/64-bit generation has aged more rapidly than ones from the 8-bit and 16-bit generations, but I think OOT is one of the few exceptions. I played it last year and still had a blast.

I'll defend to the death LTTP's place as the best Zelda of all-time, but I think OOT deserves a place right by its side as the second-best.[/quote]

I feel the same way about Banjo Kazooie, but it could very well be because I used to play that game nonstop back in the day meaning I've *possibly* grown to like the game how it was, when I played it.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']LttP had Zoras ;)[/QUOTE]

Didn't have no damn Gerudos or Kokori! Just some VERY happy woodcutters and a fat witch.

'Sides, the first Zelda had Zora if you include him as the little fucker that popped out of the water and gunned yo' ass with those hypnotic fireball things. Sons of bitches. I used to get full hearts just so I could fire lasers at those guys. Even though I knew I wasn't going to kill him, I just wanted to fuck him up a little bit.

Bastards.
 
[quote name='Strell']Bad graphics is kind of like saying "the grapes that made this bottle of wine are not nearly as sweet as the ones I just bought at the store." So I'm afraid it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Story being a copy of LttP is pretty silly too. All Zeldas more or less revolve around the same concepts, but OoT first introduced a lot of staples into the formula, including the idea of deities, other tribes/peoples within Hyrule, and further fleshed out a few minor characters as well as introducing new ones.

As for the last part, that's somewhat unfair to attribute to Zelda. For example, I haven't watched Evangelion yet, but I'm pretty sure there's no way I'll avoid a feeling of disappointment from it, as everyone talks to highly.

In short, I think you've probably got some valid claims against it, but right now you're focusing on a lot of weak accusations.

Besides, you can't really make a call on how it's aged if you didn't play it the first time around.[/quote]

Not that I don't agree with the rest of what you're saying but I think that Doomed's situation makes his opinion important because of the fact that he never played the game when it first released. He may approach it with a disproportionate amount of hype but he also wouldn't be experiencing it through the ever-forgiving filter of nostalgia like you and I would be. I think Doomed and other people in his situation should be an important litmus test for how well OOT has held up after all these years. Of course, all that aside I do respectfully disagree with his harsh assessment.
 
[quote name='Strell']Bad graphics is kind of like saying "the grapes that made this bottle of wine are not nearly as sweet as the ones I just bought at the store." So I'm afraid it doesn't make a lot of sense....
Besides, you can't really make a call on how it's aged if you didn't play it the first time around.[/quote]
I guess my main issue with OoT is that the first round of 3D games look like complete garbage, compared to beautiful 16 bit games. I think that it might have been better for the industry if PS1/Saturn/N64 had a lot more 2D games until 3D looked a little better. It's probably unfair to compare a "first generation" style of rendering games (3D) to a "second (or more) generation" style of rendering games (2D) so I guess that is a flaw in my logic. But I guess I like 2D games in general. Some (more like most now) games get it right, but there were a lot of games I remember playing in the early days of 3D that had awful camera control, wheras in most 2D games it's pretty clear the directions you can and can't go, and which direction you are supposed to go. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, 3D games give the player more freedom.

Summary of above giga wall of text:
I am unsure about a lot of things.

Moving on. I guess the best way to phrase my reccomendation of a Zelda game on VC would be
"The game that's graphics and gameplay holds up the best by today's standards is LttP"

But even then that's unfair because I still haven't gotten much farther than the town before the fire temple as child link. :cold: I guess to be uber fair I should give equal play time to each and note the similarities.

Bottomline, I liked where OoT was going, but its graphics weren't very good by today's standards and the storyline seemed to much of a rehash in comparison to LttP. Maybe I should fire up the N64 and at least play another temple. Damn you CheapAssGamer!
 
It's not that I think his opinion is unimportant, I think it's that it's hard to judge older pieces of media against current pieces because you come to expect certain things.

A modern game will utilize certain conventions and better technology that someone gets accustomed to, and when you backtrack and try to play something that was critically acclaimed back in the day, it's hard to overcome that hump.

I mean I never got a chance to play through, say, the Fallout games, but given all the positive word I hear, it would be hard for me to think they are as great as some of the people tell me they are.

I mean, Ocarina's graphics - at the time - were astounding. Today they don't look so hot, which is to be expected. You'd have the same problem with a movie that had good special effects at some point in the past, but looks laughable today.

I dunno. The whole "has X aged well" thing is a really touchy subject in my opinion, because inevitably when you ask that question, you get two sorts of answers, and those answers are polar opposites every time. There is never, ever a middle ground answer. It either has aged well or it totally sucks.

And when you've got someone asking that, it's hard to know what they are really asking, so to speak, since that's one of those nebulous questions that could be viewed from a lot of different lenses.

But eh. Honestly, I think most N64/PS1 games have aged badly because even at the time they were released, they tended to have poor resolutions, muddy graphics, and tons of slow down. So they looked aged from the start. There are very, very few exceptions to that rule, both 1) by not looking aged when they released, and 2) continuing to not look aged.

I think Mario 64 has aged beautifully, for example, because it's still smooth and the draw-in distances were incredible at the time, and basically went un-matched from every last damn game on that system, which I am continually surprised by when I think about it. And I happen to think the Zelda games look pretty good too, but that's where it turns subjective.
 
[quote name='Doomed']I guess my main issue with OoT is that the first round of 3D games look like complete garbage, compared to beautiful 16 bit games. I think that it might have been better for the industry if PS1/Saturn/N64 had a lot more 2D games until 3D looked a little better. It's probably unfair to compare a "first generation" style of rendering games (3D) to a "second (or more) generation" style of rendering games (2D) so I guess that is a flaw in my logic. But I guess I like 2D games in general. Some (more like most now) games get it right, but there were a lot of games I remember playing in the early days of 3D that had awful camera control, wheras in most 2D games it's pretty clear the directions you can and can't go, and which direction you are supposed to go. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, 3D games give the player more freedom.

Summary of above giga wall of text:
I am unsure about a lot of things.

Moving on. I guess the best way to phrase my reccomendation of a Zelda game on VC would be
"The game that's graphics and gameplay holds up the best by today's standards is LttP"

But even then that's unfair because I still haven't gotten much farther than the town before the fire temple as child link. :cold: I guess to be uber fair I should give equal play time to each and note the similarities.

Bottomline, I liked where OoT was going, but its graphics weren't very good by today's standards and the storyline seemed to much of a rehash in comparison to LttP. Maybe I should fire up the N64 and at least play another temple. Damn you CheapAssGamer![/QUOTE]

Hehe. See I like this response better. :)

And I do agree about the graphics comparison of 2D versus 3D. 2D games can be beautiful always. Symphony of the Night, Final Fantasy 6, Chrono Trigger, Yoshi's Island, etc will always look brilliant forever. 3D games are still moving ever closer to that point. As good as I think 360/PS3 games look, there's nowhere near close to achieving that level plateau that 2D graphics have been at.

When 3D debuted, all the power in the world couldn't save it from looking pretty bad. There's ways around it, but for the most part, I'll definitely agree that they can be the thing to age the quickest and worst when it comes to a generation of games.
 
It's ironic to see people decry Ocarina of Time for having outdated graphics but then extol the virtues of Wind Waker which had the worst graphical style of the series.
 
[quote name='Strell']It's not that I think his opinion is unimportant, I think it's that it's hard to judge older pieces of media against current pieces because you come to expect certain things.

A modern game will utilize certain conventions and better technology that someone gets accustomed to, and when you backtrack and try to play something that was critically acclaimed back in the day, it's hard to overcome that hump.[/quote]

I think this is where the dividing line between technology-driven games and art-driven games lies. Basically, I ask myself whether a game's artistic content is enough to make up for its outdated technology and lack of sophistication, even to a younger generation raised on "bigger and better" things.

I believe that certain games will remain timeless regardless of their primitive graphics, simplistic gameplay, and barebones stories. My personal standpoint is that it's entirely possible and valid to judge older games against this increasing standard because the truly timeless ones will always hold up (unless a given player doesn't care at all for artistic content -- witness the millions of units sold each year for shallow graphics-whore games).

Of course, I also understand that you're simply attempting to think from a younger generation's point of view so I don't really know who I'm preaching to here...
 
[quote name='spmahn']It's ironic to see people decry Ocarina of Time for having outdated graphics but then extol the virtues of Wind Waker which had the worst graphical style of the series.[/quote]

You're talking about an artistic design with which you disagree while others were talking about technological outmoding. There's a world of difference in that.
 
[quote name='spmahn']It's ironic to see people decry Ocarina of Time for having outdated graphics but then extol the virtues of Wind Waker which had the worst graphical style of the series.[/QUOTE]


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I'd argue WW as a contender for best graphical style in any game ever...or at least top 10.

bring on the "lol kiddy"

and the pepsi challenge:
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the big difference is that WW looks better in motion and OoT looks worse in motion...
 
[quote name='Apossum']....



I'd argue WW as a contender for best graphical style in any game ever...or at least top 10.

bring on the "lol kiddy"

and the pepsi challenge:
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the big difference is that WW looks better in motion and OoT looks worse in motion...[/quote]

I can remember downloading Oot, and when the intro played...
the look on links face was hilarious. :D
 
Good morning :)
Here's the press release, it's exactly what we expected,
I can't believe they tried to make it like it's some sort of Christmas update...Sigh.

If you hear a rumbling on the roof tonight, don't assume that it's reindeer when there are gorillas on the loose. Yes, this week's merry Wii™ Shop Channel lineup includes a classic adventure title to entertain every reveler in your household, from the nicest to the naughtiest. Plus, you'll find a wicked-cool dose of ice hockey action and a thrilling secret-agent sequel to help keep spirits bright all winter long. You were expecting lumps of coal? Sorry-maybe next year.

Three new classic games go live at 9 a.m. Pacific time. Nintendo adds new games to the Wii Shop Channel every Monday. Wii™ owners with a high-speed Internet connection can redeem Wii Points™ to download the games. Wii Points can be purchased in the Wii Shop Channel or at retail outlets. This week's new games are:

BLADES OF STEEL™ (NES®, 1-2 players, Rated E for Everyone-Mild Violence, 500 Wii Points): With stick in hand and confidence brimming, you are looking to bring home the cup, win the MVP award, get on the covers of major sports magazines and date a beautiful model (not necessarily in that order). But soon you will learn that, in this league, nothing is ever given to you, and before you can reach your goals, you'll have to put the puck in the net and score some. You'll need both the artful skills of a finesse player and the bone-crushing brutality of an enforcer. Defend your own goal against unrelenting power plays, or put the pressure on your opponent's goalie and try a slap shot of your own. Don't forget to defend yourself when anger flares because the gloves come off and fists start flying. So strap on blades of steel and prepare to either make a name for yourself or be put on ice.

Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble™ (Super NES®, 1-2 players, Rated E for Everyone, 800 Wii Points): Revisit Donkey Kong Island and join the Kong family for their latest adventure. The Kremlings have a mysterious new leader named KAOS and are up to their usual mischief, even capturing Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. Now it's up to Dixie Kong and the newest Kong, a giant infant named Kiddy, to rescue the two missing apes. They'll travel across previously unseen parts of the island in their search, and even take to the skies in a rocket at one point. Lucky for them, Dixie and Kiddy's powers complement each other (including Kiddy's talent for rolling like a barrel), so they form a powerful team capable of major Kremling damage. They're not completely on their own, either, since returning favorites like Funky Kong and Enguarde the swordfish provide help along the way. And in a series known for its abundance of secrets and high replay value, this entry doesn't disappoint, with enough hours of game play to satisfy Donkey Kong himself. Anyone else have a sudden urge for some bananas?

Rolling Thunder™ 2 (Genesis, 1-2 players, Rated E for Everyone-Violence, 800 Wii Points): In this follow-up to the original classic, you are once again a member of Interpol's Rolling Thunder task force, and it's up to you to stop the return of the evil Geldra organization. Now known as Neo-Geldra and led by a newcomer named Gimdo, the bad guys are bent on destroying several valuable outer-space satellites. In this one- or two-player game, you can play as Leila or Albatross-both characters from the original-as you venture through several different levels, trying to put a stop to the nefarious efforts of Gimdo and the rest of Neo-Geldra. Use your bullets wisely and make Rolling Thunder proud.
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[quote name='lilboo']I can't believe they tried to make it like it's some sort of Christmas update...Sigh.[/QUOTE]

It's like the "Uncle Randy spent his Christmas bonus on Wild Turkey and besides, he doesn't really know you that well anyway; you should just be grateful that he tried" update.
 
On the bright side, if we do the CAG Secret Santa again next year, there'll be about 120 more games for people to inflict upon others. I hope we do that again, 'cause I'd like to participate.


And Super Metroid is as good as I remembered it to be.
 
[quote name='spmahn']It's ironic to see people decry Ocarina of Time for having outdated graphics but then extol the virtues of Wind Waker which had the worst graphical style of the series.[/quote]
I think WW will age much better than TP simply because of its graphic style. I love LttP and Minish Cap, but I think WW takes the cake because it wasn't a cookie cutter get three pendants and go to alternate world. I'll admit the end portion collecting the triforce was rushed, but the rest of the game is awesome. *hopes for WW Director's Cut on Wii*
 
Can't wait to play WW on an emulator with anti-aliasing and all that stuff. Saw some pics of it running at 1080p....looked flurking ridiculous :drool:


Anyway, all this Zelda talk led me to buy LttP last night.
i.....never finished it
 
[quote name='Apossum']Anyway, all this Zelda talk led me to buy LttP last night.
i.....never finished it
[/quote]I said wow.
 
[quote name='Apossum']
Anyway, all this Zelda talk led me to buy LttP last night.
i.....never finished it
[/QUOTE]

Good god, how does something like that happen?

At least you've played it before. I suppose it would be a much bigger deal if you had never even woken Link up and wandered out into the storm (such a cool opening scene).
 
finally beat
the sun stage
in smb3

oh and how do you get your data to save in that game? Each time I have to replay all the levels I've previously beaten (isn't too hard after I've beat 'em but still..)
 
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