The "WWE doesn't use 'Wrestling' anymore, so TNA is #1 by default" Wrestling Thread

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I was in that "Monday=wrestling" mode for many years, about as long as you, myke.
Love ya, Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan.
About 3 years ago (or however long ago it was when HHH squashed 2 tag teams back-to-back in one segment) I just quit Raw cold turkey. I dipped my toe back in the water when Punk was champ but quit again when he lost. After WM this year I quit SD. One of the biggest factors was Cole. I can't watch 2 hours with him on it, he's a cancer. The overall product is subpar at best and just not worth my time to watch, particularly when they are so dismissive of what they actually are.

Roster-wise, I'm completely in agreement with you, Trakan. WWE's doesn't even compare to TNA's. TNA, though, is poor in it's treatment of it's talent. My suspicion is that a fair amount of that comes from Hogan and Bischoff. They weren't exactly nurturing of the non-main eventers in WCW either. I'd love to see Dixie wise up and give H&B the boot, revamp the storylines and methods use to tell them and maybe even a name change which a rumor alluded to a week or two ago.
 
[quote name='zack ryder via twitter']wwe draft tomorrow night. I'm hoping to get drafted from superstars to either raw or smackdown. Wwwyki.[/quote]

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[quote name='StarKnightX']But there's gotta be an untapped market for snooty sophisticated people that also like wrestling.:cool:

Edit:I had more to add to that but couldn't find anything that sounded good. My brain is like mush right now.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='KaneRobot']Who here is a "WWE zombie?" [/QUOTE]

BRAINS!!!!

On a serious note, I haven't ordered or been to a WWE event since the name change. In fact, when it was asked what our favorite match was in a previous thread, I can only come up with World Wrestling Federation (WWF) matches and not a single WWE match entered my head. I'm not as critical with WWE as others are, but I'm still entertained when something like "Old School Raw" comes around (which, BTW, I downloaded from the Playstation Network and just finished watching again).

I like some of the newer guys like Sheamus, John Morrison, Jack Swagger, and Kofi Kingston, but I really enjoy seeing wrestlers ( there's no way I'm saying "entertainers" or "superstars") who have been around longer like Jericho and Christian. Nowadays if a good match comes along, I'm pleasantly surprised and excited but I'm also happy if I'm entertained whether it's The Rock degrading John Cena, R Truth turning on Morrison, or Kelly Kelly showing up .... doing anything. If it looks like they're trying, I will cheer for them. Hell, if it wasn't for you guys posting videos from Zach Ryder's Youtube page, I would still think he's a joke/jobber. Come to think of it, I think I've only seen one Zach Ryder match ever. Is he even a good wrestler?

It's also good to read and post comments on message boards to vent some no matter how bad it may get.
 
Ryder was phased into the raw roster when ECW ended last year. I can't recall more than a handful of matches that were actually on Raw and not Superstars. Hes best work actually on Monday night Raw was probably his squash match against Sheamus for the title.

When Ryder was still on WWECW he had some great matches with Christian and Tommy Dreamer and also The Hurricane. Ryder even had a short gimmick where he took the moniker of a guy after he retired them. Zack Ryder the heart and soul superhero of ECW. wwwyki
 
[quote name='Trakan']
I think TNA needs to fix things as well, but I think the things WWE needs to fix are far greater.[/QUOTE]

I find both WWE and TNA to be pretty boring as of late. Thank God for DVR so I can just fast forward to the parts I want to see. I don't even bother watching Smackdown anymore, and RAW I usually just DVR or have on in the background. Oddly enough, I think Tough Enough is the best show WWE is doing right now. I'm getting the most entertainment out of it. I do enjoy some parts of the TNA show. I'm not a complete hater.

TNA has a really great roster, except the matches on TV and PPV hardly ever reflect that. Most of the storylines are illogical and make no sense. Then they try to make a guy like Matt Hardy a main eventer when they have so many other options to use.

I think they've done a great job of putting the heavyweight title over since the Jeff Hardy situation. They make the title seem like a big deal and added some credibility to it. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I've been digging the promos Hogan has been cutting lately. I have no idea why.

ROH and Dragon Gate are great though, and always make sure to put on a few amazing matches. I try to go to their shows any time they come around here in Chicago. I'm looking forward to going to the ROH show in late May.
 
I have 2 main issues with TNA and thier product:

1: They treat the talent like shit. Sorry but these folks are basicly putting thier bodies on the line, treat them fairly. This also includes giving them enough air time and at least a "decent" storyline to showcase thier talents. If you arent going to at least do this for your peolpe, then for the love of God, let them go somewhere else so they can entertain.

2: It may save them money, but the taping of 2-3 weeks of TV in advance really blows. I know we dont have to read the spoilers, but who hasn't? I mean lets be honest. If a show like Lost put the info out for the next 3 episodes and people could go online and read it, you know like hell you would. Taping that much tv in that time period leaves to much shit open to getting messed up, spoiled, or even ruined. Maybe change it to taping once a week at one of your weekend house shows or something. Anything but the 3 weeks of saved up shows.
 
Good point, Spyder. TNA has a good roster but, ironically, it's too good. It's so deep that there isn't enough time each week to properly showcase that much talent. It shows when they try to cram 6 X guys into one match and various other ways to wedge as many people into a segment that they can.

Speaking only for myself, I never look at spoilers for something I know I'm going to watch, play, read, etc. I don't even watch the trailers when I go to see a movie. I hate having bits of a story given away piecemeal. For example, I don't know a single thing about Super 8 except the director and that's the movie I'm most excited to see this summer. My personal preference is to only have the bare minimum of information in order to get me interested in something and nothing more.
 
I definitely think TNA needs to tape week to week and they need to change the venue every week. I don't think Hogan and Bischoff actually have any booking power though. Unless they "don't have any booking power" like Nash didn't in the WCW days.

As far as the whole TNA name goes, I don't get it. I mean, I get it, but it's stupid. It's not T&A. Myke said he couldn't take them seriously with the name, but it's the problem of the person who thinks that way. Would you refrain from buying a Siemens product because of the name? It's dumb.

That being said I wouldn't mind the name change if it helped out the company in the long run.
 
Siemens is a family name, TNA is a double entendre that specifically guides the viewer to think of the raw sexuality on the show. The name is a holdover from their weekly PPV days, complete with tennessee titty bar first shift workers dancing in cages. The double entendre is intentional.

I never want to answer "what are you watching?" with "tee-n-ayy." If you think that's my problem, that's your problem (see how well deflection works?). I've often made the "what do you watch, mister masterpiece theatre?" point when it comes to people who criticize professional wrestling programming altogether. But I can't defend everything about promotions; some of the product is insipidly stupid. This includes the name.

What if it wasn't TNA, and another name. I'm a Dumb fuck Wrestling, perhaps? If the name doesn't matter, let's go hogwild.

Please don't bring up that TNA "stands for something." It stands for "Total Nonstop Action," which is phenomenally awful way of describing your product. Do you think the descriptive terms or the acronym came first? You can't truly think that a phrase as nondescript and phoenetically uncomfortable as "Total Nonstop Action" preceded the acronym "TNA."

The acronym came first, followed by a bunch of tennessee hillbillies herpin' and derpin' about how clever they were, and THEN they tried a bunch of bullshit before settling on Total Nonstop Action as the best idea available.

Look, I know you like TNA. But there's no need to defend them senselessly. Focus on the good points. Yes, they have a solid tag team division (and Ink Inc.). And...well, whatever else good you think they have. But the promotion's name? It's condescendingly stupid.

As a matter of fact, I'd probably watch I'm a Dumb fuck Wrestling over something named TNA. Probably having a match for the Dupp Cup on it.

EDIT: I do agree that they should tape on the road, however. Something about a theme park crowd watching something for free and appreciating it (not to mention it being the same focus group over and over and over and over). Every now and then you get a down crowd which sits on its hands, like w/ Lock Down (a friend who attended said the crowd was dead after Bischoff's promo). I don't think spoilers hurt viewership all that much - otherwise Tony Schiavone would never have been laughed at for spoiling Foley's first title win live on tv. The biggest thing harmed by spoilers are debuts and turns.

And, since turns occur biweekly for everyone on the TNA roster, it's really only debuts that are hurt.
 
"Total Nonstop Action" sounds like something that should be a compilation of motocross, monster truck, and BMX crashes released by Big Vision for $4.99 on DVD at Wal-Mart, not the #2 wrestling company in the US.
 
I watched the Fabulous Moolah vs. Wendy Richter for the Women's Championship tonight and I cracked up at the ending. When Moolah found out it was her shoulders that were counted as being pinned and that she lost the title, she dropped the referee with a running dropkick.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Here's a followup to the Melina/Morrison story from a few weeks back. After reading this, I think it's safe to say that Melina is getting the aex next week:

To follow up on the story of John Morrison snubbing Trish Stratus at WrestleMania XXVII, friends of the RAW Superstar were shocked by his cold behavior. The assumption of many within WWE is that real-life girlfriend Melina was in his ear all week because she believed Stratus was taking her spot at the pay-per-view event.

WWE sources say as Status was presenting her match suggestions to Morrison backstage, he said things such as "I'm not feeling that" (coined several years ago by Hulk Hogan in WCW) and "I don't want to look at you."

Kelly Kelly was scheduled for the Six-person Mixed Tag Team Match at one point, but the addition of Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi to the bout apparently led to a change in plans. It has been speculated that WWE instigated rumors of Kelly Kelly appearing in the match to prevent news of Snooki wrestling from leaking out.

Multiple people within WWE are blaming the entire situation on Melina as they feel she's primarily responsible for the friction between Morrison and Stratus. Melina has been a heat magnet within the locker room for years, which is why a number of her pushes have been derailed.

Comparisons to former WWE talent Tammy Sytch (a/k/a Sunny) were drawn early in her WWE run as many people felt she was similarly difficult to deal with and that her ego was out of control. Melina was sentenced to face The Undertaker in "Wrestler's Court" in early 2006 due to her unscrupulous behavior, which is the unofficial forum among WWE talent for the policing of wrestlers that violate the rules and traditions of the company. Her ill-behaved manners persisted and she found herself transferred from SmackDown to Raw.

There have been numerous other accounts of friction between Melina and her locker room peers dating back to her time in WWE's developmental system.

* She had issues with veteran female talent such as Amy "Lita" Dumas kicking her out of the locker room and forcing her to change in the hallway. Melina carried on the tradition with some of the younger Divas once she became a veteran herself.

* Melina was involved in a backstage altercation with Sharmell on May 13, 2006 at a SmackDown live event in El Paso, Texas. The incident was triggered by Batista's fistfight with Booker T the week prior during shooting for the SummerSlam commercial.

* Melina engaged in a war of words with Candice Michelle via blog postings on WWE.com. In early 2007, Michelle accused Melina of stealing one of her signature wrestling maneuvers. Melina responded to her accusation by posting a picture of herself performing the maneuver in question during an independent wrestling event in 2003, proving that she was using it long before Michelle joined WWE. Michelle fired back with a defamatory post, which WWE.com deemed unsuitable to publish. Michelle also took exception to Melina claiming that she had a "spare tire" during an episode of Raw, saying she was jealous. The off-screen animosity ultimately shifted on-screen via storyline.

* Taryn Terrell (a/k/a Tiffany) stated during an interview following her elimination from the 2007 Diva Search that Melina was the one Diva she was warned about by WWE personnel.

* Maria Kanellis was not complementary of Melina's backstage demeanor in interviews following her release from WWE last year.

* Brooke Adams, who now performs as Miss Tessmacher in TNA Wrestling, revealed in an interview earlier this year that her departure from WWE in 2007 had nothing to do with Melina—as rumored. She did, however, disparage her former colleague's character. Adams stated, "The reason I left WWE never had anything to do with her, that was just a rumor. When I left I was actually the only person that liked her. She was such a rude, fake, bitch to everyone. She then tried to turn my girls Layla and Kelly Kelly against me by telling them a lie that I said which in reality was a rumor that she started. It was never anything I said. I can't stand her and neither can most of the rest."

* Melina harbored great animosity towards Mickie James early in her career. She trashed James for months on the message forum of her official website while the two worked side by side in Ohio Valley Wrestling, going as far to call her a 'slut' in one post (while also belittling future TNA Knockout Angelina Love).

Melina wrote: "I'd rather work with a Diva who has no training than work with Alexis Laree.

"She steals other girls moves. Is lazy and doesn't care about anyone but herself. It's justice that she isn't on tv.

"But I do want to see hard working girls such as Beth Pheonix and Shelly Martinez up on the show... as for Angel Williams... she can cry on a pillow with Alexis - slut - Laree."

Shortly after James' promotion to the main roster in October 2005, Melina posted a lengthy commentary alleging she was victimized by the Richmond native—without referring to her by name.

Melina wrote: "I know that there's going to be people who don't understand. I'm sorry... I can't help the way I feel about HER (I Hope you know who HER is). I tried my best to get along with the girl. It's just not meant to be. I don't know if you've seen America's Next Top Model and how cady girls can be on that show... well, welcome to my world with HER. She hated me from the day I showed up to Louisville. She made sure my life there wasn't great. You WOULD think it was a new person thing, but when new people came around, I was still the one who got her crap. But you know, as she tried to break me.... I just got stronger and tried harder. Our work got us on tv and She hated that I was on tv first.

"She hated that I got any attention at all. You know.... I don't consider myself pretty. Not at all. Not like the other girls. And I am cool with that. Like I have said before, looks come and go but the way I am, the way i treat people and the things I accomplish in life... that can never be taken away from me. I can die right now knowing how I touched peoples lives.... I know that I did things on my terms. I never took off my clothes, kissed ass or slept with anyone to get my spot. I worked hard. I'm not perfect but I give the people my all."

The entire post can be read at http://www.cheapassgamer.com/

In general, Melina has a reputation behind the scenes for being 'a head case'. People within WWE were praising her for returning with a improved attitude following her long injury layoff last year, but others immediately predicted that it wouldn't last long.
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[quote name='mykevermin']As a matter of fact, I'd probably watch I'm a Dumb fuck Wrestling over something named TNA. Probably having a match for the Dupp Cup on it.[/QUOTE]
God damn, I lost my shit after reading this. :lol:

[quote name='Purple Flames']Here's a followup to the Melina/Morrison story from a few weeks back. After reading this, I think it's safe to say that Melina is getting the axe next week:[/QUOTE]
As much of a bitch Melina (apparently) is, she is just smoking hot. I guess that's a correlation, though.

EDIT: Watch out clicking that link above. It's a bitch getting the page back to normal (or at least it was for me).
 
The only good thing about Melina was her MNM ring entrance.

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[quote name='pitfallharry219']I'm not sure. I just read that story on wrestling-edge.com, and they also link to CAG, for whatever reason. However, the link goes to the mobile version of a thread that is from 2005/2006.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70383&page=2&styleid=18[/QUOTE]

I blame Scorch since he posted it. :)

It was odd seeing all those names on there that don't post here anymore.
 
[quote name='neocisco']It was odd seeing all those names on there that don't post here anymore.[/QUOTE]
It's like a graveyard, even though most of those guys aren't even banned.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Siemens is a family name, TNA is a double entendre that specifically guides the viewer to think of the raw sexuality on the show. The name is a holdover from their weekly PPV days, complete with tennessee titty bar first shift workers dancing in cages. The double entendre is intentional.

I never want to answer "what are you watching?" with "tee-n-ayy." If you think that's my problem, that's your problem (see how well deflection works?). I've often made the "what do you watch, mister masterpiece theatre?" point when it comes to people who criticize professional wrestling programming altogether. But I can't defend everything about promotions; some of the product is insipidly stupid. This includes the name.

What if it wasn't TNA, and another name. I'm a Dumb fuck Wrestling, perhaps? If the name doesn't matter, let's go hogwild.

Please don't bring up that TNA "stands for something." It stands for "Total Nonstop Action," which is phenomenally awful way of describing your product. Do you think the descriptive terms or the acronym came first? You can't truly think that a phrase as nondescript and phoenetically uncomfortable as "Total Nonstop Action" preceded the acronym "TNA."

The acronym came first, followed by a bunch of tennessee hillbillies herpin' and derpin' about how clever they were, and THEN they tried a bunch of bullshit before settling on Total Nonstop Action as the best idea available.

Look, I know you like TNA. But there's no need to defend them senselessly. Focus on the good points. Yes, they have a solid tag team division (and Ink Inc.). And...well, whatever else good you think they have. But the promotion's name? It's condescendingly stupid.

As a matter of fact, I'd probably watch I'm a Dumb fuck Wrestling over something named TNA. Probably having a match for the Dupp Cup on it.

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Fair enough. How about Poppycock? Faygo? The Nintendo Wii?

I wasn't trying to senselessly defend them. I even went on to say that I'd support a name change if it helped. I just don't see it as a major weak-point of the company. I'd rather have them change pretty much anything else we discussed above before the name.
 
While I think TNA has always had a pretty amazing roster, I've always been curious to see how strong that belief of 'TNA HAS OMG A BETTER ROSTER' would be if WWE didn't completely castrate their wrestlers and just let them work. On paper, both rosters are actually pretty damn good, it's just that TNA lets people like Styles, Joe, and Beer Money put on the great matches we know they can. If WWE truly let guys like Punk and Danielson go out and do whatever they wanted, I can't help but feel that the gap would close considerably.

That's not a defense of WWE, or any knock on the amazing guys that TNA underutilizes on a weekly basis... it's just that, while I find TNA to have some solid-to-great guys, I don't feel it's gigantically better than WWE's, on paper. I've just always felt that the work allowed by each company tends to color the views. I mean, shit, I know Danielson and Punk are amazing wrestlers, but fuck if we've ever really seen it during their WWE tenure.
 
[quote name='007'] I know Danielson and Punk are amazing wrestlers, but fuck if we've ever really seen it during their WWE tenure.[/QUOTE]

The best ones I can come up with are the Danielson/Ziggler and Punk/Morrison series.
 
I'm still half amazed and half pissed that WWE burned through an entire feud of what could have been amazingly competitive matches, great build, and a way to make two new upper card stars in Danielson and Ziggler...in 5 fucking days.
 
[quote name='Spyder187']I have 2 main issues with TNA and thier product:

1: They treat the talent like shit. Sorry but these folks are basicly putting thier bodies on the line, treat them fairly. This also includes giving them enough air time and at least a "decent" storyline to showcase thier talents. If you arent going to at least do this for your peolpe, then for the love of God, let them go somewhere else so they can entertain.

2: It may save them money, but the taping of 2-3 weeks of TV in advance really blows. I know we dont have to read the spoilers, but who hasn't? I mean lets be honest. If a show like Lost put the info out for the next 3 episodes and people could go online and read it, you know like hell you would. Taping that much tv in that time period leaves to much shit open to getting messed up, spoiled, or even ruined. Maybe change it to taping once a week at one of your weekend house shows or something. Anything but the 3 weeks of saved up shows.[/QUOTE]

Re #2:
Is that why that cute redhead is always front and center in the crowd? She makes the show watchable if nothing else. She's kinda got that Mythbusters girl thing going...
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one that got a laugh out of the random Dupps reference. Stan Dupp (Trevor Murdoch) earns high marks for actually "method-acting" the Trevor Murdoch gimmick. That was a pretty, ahem, 'hefty' weight gain.

I try to assess TNA against my preferences and separately from WWE. I think they deserve a fair review.

I dig what's remaining of their roster. But, I won't watch TNA for a few reasons. As Spyder mentioned on the last page, TNA treats some of their workers like shit—and probably still pays them with it. It's disgusting how they treated Daffney. This specific point is enough reason to avoid TNA.

Additionally, their storytelling is mediocre. I guess that's more of a compliment considering how it's an improvement from recent years. To quote Jim Ross, I'm not a fan of stories that intermingle reality with fiction. I actually find the Kurt Angle-Jeff Jarrett story to be very disgusting. I definitely don't like how they're exploiting real life. I think that shows a lack of creativity. Lack of creativity in itself is another turn-off. The show names, character names, gimmicks, and angles feel very generic and unoriginal. I guess it may just come to preference, but I definitely don't prefer, or like, many of the aforementioned items.

I think TNA's booking speaks for itself. (Hint: It's awful.)

Mike Tenay is still a shell of the personality I had enjoyed in WCW. He wouldn't be so bad if they had someone else to pick up the slack. Unfortunately, his counterpart is Taz, and I have never enjoyed Taz as a commentator.

I'm going to agree with the thought that the name "TNA Wrestling" is terrible. I would not be against TNA buying the rights to the name "Impact Pro Wrestling." That's a bit generic, but it's a step up.

Seeing how TNA operates, they'll probably acquire the name "Super Athletic 'Rassling Studs" (SARS) and change their big show (though all of their PPVs have the same 'feel') to "Ringa-Dinga-Ding-Dingdingdingding-a-Mania."

Personally, I'm more enthused at the possibility of Hulk Hogan vs. Jim Kong L. at Ringa-Dinga-Ding-Dingdingdingding-a-Mania 1 than anything TNA has presently running.
 
[quote name='diddy310']Not mine..but so..so..wrong.

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The fact that it's Batista with sunglasses makes it all the more epic.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Mike Knox?[/QUOTE]
I still have trouble processing it, too. Although strangely, it fills me with hope as well.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I still have trouble processing it, too. Although strangely, it fills me with hope as well.[/QUOTE]

What's the story behind Knox and Melina?
 
Val Venis mentioned that along with Batista, Morrison looked away while Melina got some man-bear love from Knox too.
 
Mike Knox got a piece of that ass too? :applause: Man, Morrison is such a pussy.
 
[quote name='Blackout']Mike Knox got a piece of that ass[/QUOTE]

That's the puzzle piece so many are trying to figure out. You have a curtain-jerker hairy dude who looks to be just shy of viscera on the "unfuckable" scale, and who sleeping with pays no clear career dividends.

But still, it happened.
 
[quote name='Blackout']Mike Knox got a piece of that ass too? :applause: Man, Morrison is such a pussy.[/QUOTE]

Ringa-dinga-ding-dingdingdingding. The only rational reason for Morrison's apathy is that he's also getting "somethin'-somethin'" on the side. Their relationship cannot be serious. It's 'unpossible.'
 
Stone Cold being forced into retirement is one of those things where the severity didn't strike me at the moment. His heel "What" run was okay but it was very clear that he was limited in the ring plus it underlined just how shitty the WCW invasion angle was. Short story shorter, I miss Austin more now than I did when he first retired (2001?).
 
I'm watching the 1992 Summerslam at Wembley Stadium, when the Undertaker came to the ring on the back of a hearse, and Bobby Heenan goes "look at that idiot, the steering wheel's on the wrong side!" And I laughed like a child.
 
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