Transformers ROTF: Makes 600 Million worldwide...GI JOE to top it next... :|

[quote name='LinkinPrime']No.

I re-watched the first on Blu-Ray the 2 days before, and every time the camera moved away from the robot fights, it pissed me off.[/QUOTE]


that's called a bad job by the editor for the first movie...oh wait...same problem in this movie lol.
 
Because the entire end of the movie where they were fighting in the city happened off screen. And Optimus fighting that truck on the highway happened where no one saw it.

And no, ROTF doesn't leave the action to my imagination, because if it did, Devastator, Starscream, Blackout, Ratchet and Ironhide would have done something noteworthy.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Most of the action happened off screen. Watch the movie again, you'll see what I mean. TF:TROTF doesn't leave the action to your imagination.

If Transformers movies were porn:

TF = Softcore
TF:TROTF = Hardcore

:lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes, I 100% agree with Linkin. Every robot fight in TF1 was filmed very oddly (shaky and close camera shots), in TF2 the action is a lot more pronounced and apparent.

And besides, it is not hard to beat TF1. So more robots/fighting = better.

P.S. I hate both movies.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I have a feeling that every one that's hating on this movie is an effect of all the early bad reviews that were coming up...really seems like every one's just going with the flow. It's like if I saw a different film than every else...I loved it![/QUOTE]

-I had no idea what the reviews were like go in.

-I enjoyed the first 1

-I was excited for this one

-I was looking forward to some dumb action, with robots.

-I loved Beast Wars and thought the OG 1986 movie was cool (never saw much of the G1 stuff tho)

And I still hated the movie. Take that for what you will.

Had the movie just ended at the forest scene (or had I just left) I would've enjoyed the movie. The last hr just absolutely kills the movie. Me thinks Bay saw Dark Knight, and thought ALL great movies NEED to be longer 150 min in length.

I think the old transformer fans hate it because it simultaneously acknowledges and spits in, the face of all animated TF legacy.

I think the common action movie buff hates it because the action was poorly filmed and it was too long.

I think the common adult hates it because there's way too many inconsistencies and it was too ludicrous.

From what I've seen, you have to be a true child at heart to wring any enjoyment out of this film. And even then, t5he running time might hurt any kid who has a short attention span.
 
Ok I just talked to my friend who worked for DD on the show..

some facts that he can reveal now that his NDA is lifted.

-The ending we saw was not the real ending originally scripted.

-The original ending and the real reason for Optimus Hulk (or powered up Prime) was for him to take out Devistator because Devistator was too powerful for the Autobots.

-The rail gun scene wasn't suppose to happen.

-In the original scene, Optimus Hulk was suppose to fly streight up into space, then fly super fast streight down and destroy devistator with that force.

-He believes that the original idea may have been either too costly and too dificult to render out in time because the extreme complexity level of the model.

-A lot of stuff was cut out for time....yet the movie is already too long as it is.

-The farting bots was Bay's idea. So was the "balls" scene.

-He was disappointed in the final edit as a lot was changed after his contract was up so his work was altered... He worked on the soundwave scenes and didn't like the changes.

-He did confirm that the Constructicon clones were added at the very end to make the battle bigger because bay wanted it bigger, yet there was not enough time to design new bots and thats why we got clones and protoforms.

-He does claim that the IMAX showings make the movie much more sharper and colorful vs standard digital showings, but when asked which to see more of (if its worth going IMAX for it), he said stick with the normal showing in a digital theater, since the IMAX showing and so much bot battling might be too overwelming in a screen that big.

-The Twins were NOT suppost to be given so much screen time either..but of course Bay wanted more humor so we got these two clowns.
 
Very interesting listing, IT.

[quote name='ITDEFX']-He was disappointed in the final edit as a lot was changed after his contract was up so his work was altered... He worked on the soundwave scenes and didn't like the changes.[/QUOTE]

Was Soundwave actually supposed to do something? That pissed me off that he sat on a satellite the entire movie.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Very interesting listing, IT.



Was Soundwave actually supposed to do something? That pissed me off that he sat on a satellite the entire movie.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask him for more details about that scene. I did ask him why didn't he sound like his G1 voice instead of Dr. Claw...and he said his department doesn't even get to hear the final versions of what the characters sound like, so they have a temp track to work with.
 
[quote name='bardockkun']Even with all it's faults...

It'll be better then GIJoe.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

Holy shit...

Unless Comingsoon.net or AICN.com gives it like "Good movie despite crappy trailers.."

I am going to skip the midnight showing, opening day showing and opening week showing and see it two weeks later using a free pass from somewhere...
 
Linkin Im im with you on this one. I was entertained. Which I believe was the point.

Some dumb stuff, but for the most part I got what i went for and what everyone should of been going for: Robot fights.

If you want a story dont see a movie called "Transformers"...spoiler: It has robots transforming in it.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Was Soundwave actually supposed to do something? That pissed me off that he sat on a satellite the entire movie.[/QUOTE]

Another thing that pissed me off about the movie. They just basically turned him into a tv antenna.
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Good stuff ITD, the original ending sounds a lot better than the ending we have now. I was hoping they would focus on the Autbots trying to take out Devastator as the ending and save them finishing off the Fallen for the third movie.
 
[quote name='Lice']spoiler: It has robots transforming in it.[/QUOTE]

This was another gripe I had. There was not enough transforming in this one. Really, what was cooler in the first than Starscream taking out those jets while transforming back and forth? Then he would fly in, transform, fuck shit up, transform and fly out. Blackout transforming in the beginning and in the city at the end looked so awesome. Optimus transformed while driving on the highway. Barricade and Megatron looked badass transforming. This movie was just a mess. The only cool transformation part was Devastator. And as someone else already pointed out, his transformation was just as long if not longer than his screen time as Devastator.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']The first movie was bloated and boring.

I've heard this one suffers from those problems even more.

How could it possibly be better?[/QUOTE]
No humans cockblocking robot on robot action.

Other then that, Megan Fox running in slow motion...alot.
 
Saw it this morning on a ~70' screen, in a nearly-empty theater (thursday morning, yo, most people are busy). Having a gigantic screen almost all to yourself is one of my favorite experiances.

Anyways, it was fucking awesome. Jesus god that was awesomely epic and gigantic. Every bit as good as the first. I think that if you have the right mindset for it, then you'll love it. And if you don't, then why the fuck would you even consider seeing a movie like this?

And I didn't think it was too long at all. I was hardly ready for it to be over, honestly.

My one big complaint is that we STILL HAVE NO CLASSIC THEME SONG PRESENT (though, apparently it was in there somewhere, as it was mentioned in the credits...).

And people complaining about the twins is absolutely one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of in my life. Ugh. PC bullshit. Even if they were so horrible, they seriously only had a few lines. It's not as much as people are convincing themselves it is.
 
Coffee, I agree with you sir.
Cofee, what would you of thought if they replaced the twins with the motorcycle autobots? They where so under used. She spoke once
right as she got her face shot off
I thought they would of been cool to see them fight and transform. Would of took the level of dumb down a notch or two.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']And so it begins:

"No One Wants To Own Up To Racism In Transformers"

I agree with the bucktooth dude in the deli...other than that, they're looking to deep into it. The twins actually sounded more like mexican cholo wanabes to me.[/QUOTE]

You, sir, need to go to time out. Seriously? The others mentioning "over PC": also--- seriously? Given the flack the first movie received for being racist and sexist, I was floored when the Twins finally went to robot form and appeared the way they did. The ears and the tooth --- wow. [Note: The Tom Kenny voice was previously used in other projects, including one where the voice was used for an African American inner city "thug" on the show MISSION HILL. And hey, if it was a Hispanic--- that doesn't make it any better Linkin]

Full disclosure, I enjoyed the first movie for the most part. Jazz "dying" wasn't a big issue for me in the first, neither was the character being a slight homage to the G1 version. Cheesecake for the most part is a non-issue regardless of taste.

The Italian Wheelie didn't help matters. The article posted on CHUD that is referenced in the post you mention Linkin (which was used today when discussing the movie at work when people didn't believe how bad the bots were--- then they were shown them) is excellent about many of the real issues. A superior alien race comes to earth and many communicate in some stereotypical form.

"It's a popcorn flick" does not make it (1) a good popcorn flick and (2) free from criticism. I'm glad SOMEONE enjoyed the movie because I sure didn't.
 
Maybe I'll like it more once I watch it again, but it won't be until the DVD/Blu-Ray. I'll buy it for the sound on it alone. Plus I can skip over the parts that drag.
 
[quote name='Lice']Coffee, I agree with you sir.
Cofee, what would you of thought if they replaced the twins with the motorcycle autobots? They where so under used. She spoke once
right as she got her face shot off
I thought they would of been cool to see them fight and transform. Would of took the level of dumb down a notch or two.[/QUOTE]

How about just letting Bumblebee keep his voice? Or making Wheelie talk in a non-ethic stereotype voice as well?

The female bots would not *HAVE* taken the level down any given the intentions of the film makers, they would have just given us another level of absurd.
 
Where did that second dog come from?
I dunno. A family deciding to get a second dog withing a 2-year span for whatever reason doesn't seem that surprising or difficult to explain/comprehend.

[quote name='MrNEWZ']There was no reason to care and Sam/M were going to make it the 4 km even if they were just trying to out run the Decepticons, nevermind 20 of them.[/QUOTE]

Just because I'm sure of the outcome in advance, doesn't mean that the ride is any less thrilling or captivating.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Saw it this morning on a ~70' screen, in a nearly-empty theater (thursday morning, yo, most people are busy). Having a gigantic screen almost all to yourself is one of my favorite experiances.

Anyways, it was fucking awesome. Jesus god that was awesomely epic and gigantic. Every bit as good as the first. I think that if you have the right mindset for it, then you'll love it. And if you don't, then why the fuck would you even consider seeing a movie like this?

And I didn't think it was too long at all. I was hardly ready for it to be over, honestly.

My one big complaint is that we STILL HAVE NO CLASSIC THEME SONG PRESENT (though, apparently it was in there somewhere, as it was mentioned in the credits...).

And people complaining about the twins is absolutely one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of in my life. Ugh. PC bullshit. Even if they were so horrible, they seriously only had a few lines. It's not as much as people are convincing themselves it is.[/QUOTE]

Oh Coffee Edge, always going against the popular opinion!

:applause:
 
Coffee I have to agree with you also. To comment on it being "PC" I really don't care if it is or isn't people need to not get so bent over stuff. I personally thought there characters were funny and enjoy the few lines they had. I actually walked out wanting more. Can't wait til 2012 for the sequel, oh and I will be seeing it again this weekend.
 
[quote name='keiblerfan69']Coffee I have to agree with you also. To comment on it being "PC" I really don't care if it is or isn't people need to not get so bent over stuff. I personally thought there characters were funny and enjoy the few lines they had. I actually walked out wanting more. Can't wait til 2012 for the sequel, oh and I will be seeing it again this weekend.[/QUOTE]

So those on the side of "get over it" are pro wrestling fans? Given how tasteless and crass the product there is, it helps (in fairness, I like pro wrestling just not WWE pro-wrestling or TNA pro-wrestling).

Is anyone who is against people being upset a minority in any shape form or fashion?
 
The best part was when Optimus grew his robot penis and fucked the shit out of Megan Fox. You might have missed it if you didn't stay through the credits.
 
[quote name='Lice']Linkin Im im with you on this one. I was entertained. Which I believe was the point.

Some dumb stuff, but for the most part I got what i went for and what everyone should of been going for: Robot fights.

If you want a story dont see a movie called "Transformers"...spoiler: It has robots transforming in it.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Saw it this morning on a ~70' screen, in a nearly-empty theater (thursday morning, yo, most people are busy). Having a gigantic screen almost all to yourself is one of my favorite experiances.

Anyways, it was fucking awesome. Jesus god that was awesomely epic and gigantic. Every bit as good as the first. I think that if you have the right mindset for it, then you'll love it. And if you don't, then why the fuck would you even consider seeing a movie like this?

And I didn't think it was too long at all. I was hardly ready for it to be over, honestly.

And people complaining about the twins is absolutely one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of in my life. Ugh. PC bullshit. Even if they were so horrible, they seriously only had a few lines. It's not as much as people are convincing themselves it is.[/QUOTE]

Yes!

[quote name='Maklershed']I agree with Linkin .. this one is a lot better than the first one.[/QUOTE]

You da man!

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I hope to see this again this weekend or next...the more I think about it the more I love it.
 
I don't care about the stereotypical robots. Bay knows how to cater to his audience -- the same mindless drones that bitch about stereotypes, but then laugh it up when they're brought up in movie form.

You know who laughed the most and loved the twins? Generic BLACK people.

So yeah, no sympathy for hypocrites, sorry.

Also, I came in to see the movie on teh basis that we just see robot on robot action, and the movie failed in that regards too. Did we get a super awesome fight scene where all the Autobots bound together to fight Devastator? No. How about an awesome fight scene between Fallen & ANYONE? Nope.

LP mentioned that there was more fighting in this one, yet it all but ceases after the forest scene. Again it's like the movie ended there, and the proceeding hour is just extra fluff that serves no purpose, and wasn't even enjoyable.

Here's what I want for a TF movie;

-Autobots fight Deceticons

-Decepticons do something horrible.

-They fight again

The End.

Here's what I got:

-Autobots fight Decepticons for like 5-10 min

-Love story

-School Shenanigans

-Decepticon Shenanigans

-More love story

-Epic fight

-Decepticons do something terrible

-Useless story

-More usless story

-EVEN MORE USELESS STORY

-HOLY CRAP, COULD YOU JUST STOP WITH THE STORY???

-"Big" Battle . . . between the humans and the Deceticons, Autobots are barely used and unneeded.

-Epilouge, cue Linkin Park song

the end.

The problem is that TF2 suffers from ALL of the same problems as Mortal Kombat Annihilation (guessing you lot loved that one too?) AND also suffers from Bay recently watching the Dark Knight.

It's fine that you bunch enjoyied the movie, lord knows I like shitty things too (loved the first TF and I'm an avid Pro Wrestling fan). Just own up that it's a terrible move, even for a mindless popcorn flick, let alone compared to a real movie.
 
Well, here are my thoughts. Probably don't need spoiler tags anymore, but what the hell. I'm going to try and avoid talking about the plot anyway (since it is pointless to do so) but just in case...
I remember when the first Transformers live-action movie was announced. My reaction was a mixture of "Cool!" and "It's going to be lame". Transformers arrived and was better than anyone could have expected.

The problem with this is that Transformers showed us that a decent Transformers movie was possible. It wasn't perfect by any means, but the robots were badass and believable and it didn't completely suck.

Enter Revenge of the Fallen. It didn't completely suck, either, but this is the movie that I feared from way back when.

Why is that? This movie is focused on humans to the point that the robots get short shrift. Most of the robot cast gets maybe one line of dialogue. Two if they are lucky. The human characters, including the general (or whatever he is) and the bozo from the government get fleshed out characters (for what they are). They are completely forgettable, but they get easily ten times the screen time of, say, Ironhide. Or Arcee. Or Sideswipe. Or 90% of the robots.

What's worse is that this movie does suck at mythology, which is what keeps Transformers interesting and in the hearts and minds of nerds everywhere.

Consider G1. NPR did a story yesterday where they said the cartoons of that era (including Transformers and G.I. Joe) were terrible. I think they ought to be reevaluated, because the Transformers cartoon did a fantastic job of creating a universe and a mythology.

Contrast that to this movie, which is a mishmash of the Da Vinci Code and a bunch of Primes who are Julie Taymor rejects. The Fallen -- created and dispatched in this movie -- can't even aspire to Darth Maul status. The whole thing is unbelievable, silly, and uninspiring. After the last movie, this is the best they can do? The cartoon did far more with far less resources.

The proof of this is evident to anyone who saw the animated Transformers movie in the theatres. If you were there, you felt it when Prime died. Even if you knew it was going to happen, you felt that hurt, that shiver, that lump in your throat.

Now take a look at this movie. They kill Prime, and no one but fucking Shia LaBeouf gives a shit. None of the other Autobots even talk about it. I am tempted to call this movie Transformers: Going Through The Motions. Why was Prime alone? Why didn't anyone think of resuscitating him with an AllSpark shard? Right, I wasn't going to talk about plot. And this makes it clear why: it's pointless. It isn't about a coherent story. It's about getting from point A to point B and blowing stuff up in between.

The only emotional core to this movie is with the fucking Witlesswickies, which shows how bad off it is. No one gives a fuck about Sam's parents. The movie would have been improved immensely if Jetfire had sat on their house at the beginning of the movie and squished all the puny flesh creatures.

This is a gigantic problem. Even the cartoons treat the robots as characters. Here, the only robots that have personalities are Mudflap and Skids (who are indistinguishable), Bumblebee (who can't talk), Prime (who is dead for most of the movie), and, briefly, Megatron, Starscream, and The Fallen. Megatron is neutered by being number two to someone we never really get to know. Starscream snivels but is never half as threatening as his G1 inspiration. And that's about it for the robots.

This movie's most developed (robot) characters are Skids, Mudflap, and Wheelie. Chew on the implications of that for a minute. Fallen, indeed.

Revenge of the Fallen
isn't awful. It has plenty of CGI, some of the sequences (such as Shanghai) are actually really good. But it wastes so much time on the boring (anything Witwicky) and the inconsequential (Sam's roommate, the various humans who showed up to collect a paycheck).

It's salvaged only by the wicked cool CGI and action sequences. These are eminently watchable and transformative (in more ways than one) and provide the only real reason to see this movie.

It also strikes me that this movie is at once respectful of the Transformers legacy and, at the same time, extremely wrong-headed. We hear about the Matrix and sparks, we hear Soundwave and see Devestator. It's clear that someone is writing for the fans.

At the same time, it's just...wrong. It strikes me that this was written by someone who watched the Transformers animated movie and then decided what every Transformers fan wanted was to be the person who rescued Prime.

News flash: we were affected when Prime died (in the other movie). But that doesn't mean we wanted to turn this into some puny flesh creature hero epic.

No. We are going to a movie about Transformers because we want to see giant robots who transform. They should be the center of the movie. Not some dork and his porn-ready girlfriend, embarassing parents, and humping dogs.

I mean, John Turturro is a nice guy and a good actor, but what the hell is he doing in this film? Pointless. Every moment spent on him is a moment that isn't telling me about Arcee or Jolt or the Constructicons or why any of them are doing what they're doing. Why did the Fallen go bad? Does Soundwave ever come down to Earth? I could go on and seem like an even bigger nerd, but the point is that the humans are, by and large, terminally boring and a waste of screen time. I understand that it can't be all robots all the time, but it seems to me that a movie about Transformers ought to have them as the centerpiece, the reason for being, the heart.

There's no heart to this movie. It's all witless gunk about Sam, capped off by a battle in the recycled desert (hopefully Bay got a discount for using it twice) with reused Decepticons, many of which were indistinguishable.

This comes off far more harsh than I intended, but I do think that the movie failed on a lot of levels that it could have succeded on, but chose not to pursue. The CGI brings the robots to life: too bad the movie couldn't do the same.
 
Talk about anything you like, as long as it's not video game related
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Just got back from it.

I liked it. You people are trying to make it a deeper movie than it is. I wanted a movie about robots fighting and blowing things up and that's what I got. I also appreciate that they toned down the Dawson's Creek bs from the first movie.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']
I remember when the first Transformers live-action movie was announced. My reaction was a mixture of "Cool!" and "It's going to be lame". Transformers arrived and was better than anyone could have expected.

The problem with this is that Transformers showed us that a decent Transformers movie was possible. It wasn't perfect by any means, but the robots were badass and believable and it didn't completely suck.

Enter Revenge of the Fallen. It didn't completely suck, either, but this is the movie that I feared from way back when.

Why is that? This movie is focused on humans to the point that the robots get short shrift. Most of the robot cast gets maybe one line of dialogue. Two if they are lucky. The human characters, including the general (or whatever he is) and the bozo from the government get fleshed out characters (for what they are). They are completely forgettable, but they get easily ten times the screen time of, say, Ironhide. Or Arcee. Or Sideswipe. Or 90% of the robots.

What's worse is that this movie does suck at mythology, which is what keeps Transformers interesting and in the hearts and minds of nerds everywhere.

Consider G1. NPR did a story yesterday where they said the cartoons of that era (including Transformers and G.I. Joe) were terrible. I think they ought to be reevaluated, because the Transformers cartoon did a fantastic job of creating a universe and a mythology.

Contrast that to this movie, which is a mishmash of the Da Vinci Code and a bunch of Primes who are Julie Taymor rejects. The Fallen -- created and dispatched in this movie -- can't even aspire to Darth Maul status. The whole thing is unbelievable, silly, and uninspiring. After the last movie, this is the best they can do? The cartoon did far more with far less resources.

The proof of this is evident to anyone who saw the animated Transformers movie in the theatres. If you were there, you felt it when Prime died. Even if you knew it was going to happen, you felt that hurt, that shiver, that lump in your throat.

Now take a look at this movie. They kill Prime, and no one but fucking Shia LaBeouf gives a shit. None of the other Autobots even talk about it. I am tempted to call this movie Transformers: Going Through The Motions. Why was Prime alone? Why didn't anyone think of resuscitating him with an AllSpark shard? Right, I wasn't going to talk about plot. And this makes it clear why: it's pointless. It isn't about a coherent story. It's about getting from point A to point B and blowing stuff up in between.

The only emotional core to this movie is with the fucking Witlesswickies, which shows how bad off it is. No one gives a fuck about Sam's parents. The movie would have been improved immensely if Jetfire had sat on their house at the beginning of the movie and squished all the puny flesh creatures.

This is a gigantic problem. Even the cartoons treat the robots as characters. Here, the only robots that have personalities are Mudflap and Skids (who are indistinguishable), Bumblebee (who can't talk), Prime (who is dead for most of the movie), and, briefly, Megatron, Starscream, and The Fallen. Megatron is neutered by being number two to someone we never really get to know. Starscream snivels but is never half as threatening as his G1 inspiration. And that's about it for the robots.

This movie's most developed (robot) characters are Skids, Mudflap, and Wheelie. Chew on the implications of that for a minute. Fallen, indeed.

Revenge of the Fallen
isn't awful. It has plenty of CGI, some of the sequences (such as Shanghai) are actually really good. But it wastes so much time on the boring (anything Witwicky) and the inconsequential (Sam's roommate, the various humans who showed up to collect a paycheck).

It's salvaged only by the wicked cool CGI and action sequences. These are eminently watchable and transformative (in more ways than one) and provide the only real reason to see this movie.

It also strikes me that this movie is at once respectful of the Transformers legacy and, at the same time, extremely wrong-headed. We hear about the Matrix and sparks, we hear Soundwave and see Devestator. It's clear that someone is writing for the fans.

At the same time, it's just...wrong. It strikes me that this was written by someone who watched the Transformers animated movie and then decided what every Transformers fan wanted was to be the person who rescued Prime.

News flash: we were affected when Prime died (in the other movie). But that doesn't mean we wanted to turn this into some puny flesh creature hero epic.

No. We are going to a movie about Transformers because we want to see giant robots who transform. They should be the center of the movie. Not some dork and his porn-ready girlfriend, embarassing parents, and humping dogs.

I mean, John Turturro is a nice guy and a good actor, but what the hell is he doing in this film? Pointless. Every moment spent on him is a moment that isn't telling me about Arcee or Jolt or the Constructicons or why any of them are doing what they're doing. Why did the Fallen go bad? Does Soundwave ever come down to Earth? I could go on and seem like an even bigger nerd, but the point is that the humans are, by and large, terminally boring and a waste of screen time. I understand that it can't be all robots all the time, but it seems to me that a movie about Transformers ought to have them as the centerpiece, the reason for being, the heart.

There's no heart to this movie. It's all witless gunk about Sam, capped off by a battle in the recycled desert (hopefully Bay got a discount for using it twice) with reused Decepticons, many of which were indistinguishable.

This comes off far more harsh than I intended, but I do think that the movie failed on a lot of levels that it could have succeded on, but chose not to pursue. The CGI brings the robots to life: too bad the movie couldn't do the same.
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:applause::applause::applause:
 
[quote name='whoknows']I also appreciate that they toned down the Dawson's Creek bs from the first movie.[/QUOTE]

Toned down!? Toned down!?
The entire movie revolved Sam/Mikaela, will they/won't they break up, oh no Sam cheated on her oh wait bitch is a transformer, and around who said I love you first!!! How is that toning down?
 
[quote name='Scorch']Toned down!? Toned down!?
The entire movie revolved Sam/Mikaela, will they/won't they break up, oh no Sam cheated on her oh wait bitch is a transformer, and around who said I love you first!!! How is that toning down?
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree. This one they try WAY too hard to force Sam and Mikaela as a relationship the audience can believe in, but instead it came off as just annoying as shit. God, the discussion in the beginning of the movie when they're on the phone annoyed me more then any of their supposed budding romance in the first movie.

I Also love the continuity errors out the ass (even from the first one) aren't fixed. Like in the first one when they're driving to the park the sun is clearly setting, but soon as they get out of the car it's bright and sunny. Here Sam goes to a party at night and Mikaela tries long distance chatting with him it's sunny (like middle of the day) where she's at. Or when they're parachuting down to Egypt the sun and sky is red, but touch down on the ground and it's sunny.
 
The good-
-more action, huge splosions
-Optimus kicks some ass, as does Bumblebee
-Ravage and Soundwave
-takes a few indirect stabs at Obama, which is nice to see from anyone that isn't fox news
-I didn't mind Lebouf as much as I thought I would
-there is a preview for the new Harry Potter

The bad:
-The Fallen was a pointless character (Megatron = much better villain) as was nearly every new robot
-Too much bad comic relief, Shia alone would have been enough.
-the twins
-Soundwave doesn't fight
-a little heavy handed with the Megan Fox
-best action scenes in the first > best action scenes in this one
-plot was even worse than I expected
 
[quote name='tcrash247']This was another gripe I had. There was not enough transforming in this one. Really, what was cooler in the first than Starscream taking out those jets while transforming back and forth? Then he would fly in, transform, fuck shit up, transform and fly out. Blackout transforming in the beginning and in the city at the end looked so awesome. Optimus transformed while driving on the highway. Barricade and Megatron looked badass transforming. This movie was just a mess. The only cool transformation part was Devastator. And as someone else already pointed out, his transformation was just as long if not longer than his screen time as Devastator.[/QUOTE]

This.

I mean, other than the first part, there was nothing transforming besides bumblebee and Optimus. its almost as if they ran out of money/time/technology and had the most work done on these two. Combined with the fact that there's so much filler robots and shit, it's terribly disappointed. The constructicons fighting in the desert are hardly recognizable as constructicons because they have no screen time, and you don't see them transform (other than the thing turning into that cannon platform). You see the bulldozer drop off Sams parents, then the next time he's a robot, no transformation. The only difference is that they have color instead of all the generic robots fighting.

Starscream transformed a bunch of times in the first one, and I can't even remember it happening once in this one. Even when he retreats at the end, he just hops up and doesnt even change. Christ.

And Jolt? The fuck? You never see him with the other autobots, even in car form. What the fuck was he doing the whole movie? I'd be pissed about that product placement, since you never even see the plain car. He's just standing around waiting to whip something? Oy vey. The Twins? What happened to them? They were fighting Devastator, and then...? They didn't stop to go help the others, where the fuck did they go? To play some dominoes? To find a corner store with some 40's of Colt 45?

As someone who remembers the cartoon as a kid, and no real emotional attachment to it (other than it sure was better than those $$$$$$ Go Bots), here are some very simple changes to a movie plot that would make it about a zillion times better.

-Make a scene with the constructicons landing and scanning the vehicles, then transforming and making a plan to save megatron. That alone gives them names, voices, and a purpose, and therefore you might give a shit about them.

-When sam is getting probed, move that set into a construction area, and have them ambush some autobots. This way, there is an excuse for Optimus to get seperated and go to the forest. Have the autobots win, so you set up a scene later when the constructs now need a way to form Devastator so they can win.

-In the desert, have them fighting again. If you cant find a storyline object for Devastator, then use that Matrix thing and have them use it just when the Autobots are going to "win". Then, Devastator is formed and he has the matrix, and he can go about that pyramid thing and your big final fight is there, with the autobots needing to kill it before he can uncover the machine and use the matrix on it. No rail gun needed.

Shit ain't rocket science you know. Now if the GI Joe people realized that all you need is Sam Jackson painted gold for Destro and Burt Reynolds as Shipwreck, and that movie would make TRILLIONS.

Dave
 
You know,there were humans in the cartoon, both good and bad, but they weren't the focus. What sucks about these movies is that the humans are the focus.

Hell, Daniel wasn't half as annoying as Sam. At least he got that exo-suit in the movie.
 
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[quote name='MightySlacker']This.

I mean, other than the first part, there was nothing transforming besides bumblebee and Optimus. its almost as if they ran out of money/time/technology and had the most work done on these two. Combined with the fact that there's so much filler robots and shit, it's terribly disappointed. The constructicons fighting in the desert are hardly recognizable as constructicons because they have no screen time, and you don't see them transform (other than the thing turning into that cannon platform). You see the bulldozer drop off Sams parents, then the next time he's a robot, no transformation. The only difference is that they have color instead of all the generic robots fighting.

Starscream transformed a bunch of times in the first one, and I can't even remember it happening once in this one. Even when he retreats at the end, he just hops up and doesnt even change. Christ.

And Jolt? The fuck? You never see him with the other autobots, even in car form. What the fuck was he doing the whole movie? I'd be pissed about that product placement, since you never even see the plain car. He's just standing around waiting to whip something? Oy vey. The Twins? What happened to them? They were fighting Devastator, and then...? They didn't stop to go help the others, where the fuck did they go? To play some dominoes? To find a corner store with some 40's of Colt 45?

As someone who remembers the cartoon as a kid, and no real emotional attachment to it (other than it sure was better than those $$$$$$ Go Bots), here are some very simple changes to a movie plot that would make it about a zillion times better.

-Make a scene with the constructicons landing and scanning the vehicles, then transforming and making a plan to save megatron. That alone gives them names, voices, and a purpose, and therefore you might give a shit about them.

-When sam is getting probed, move that set into a construction area, and have them ambush some autobots. This way, there is an excuse for Optimus to get seperated and go to the forest. Have the autobots win, so you set up a scene later when the constructs now need a way to form Devastator so they can win.

-In the desert, have them fighting again. If you cant find a storyline object for Devastator, then use that Matrix thing and have them use it just when the Autobots are going to "win". Then, Devastator is formed and he has the matrix, and he can go about that pyramid thing and your big final fight is there, with the autobots needing to kill it before he can uncover the machine and use the matrix on it. No rail gun needed.

Shit ain't rocket science you know. Now if the GI Joe people realized that all you need is Sam Jackson painted gold for Destro and Burt Reynolds as Shipwreck, and that movie would make TRILLIONS.

Dave[/QUOTE]
And Sergeant Slaughter as Sergeant Slaughter.:lol:
 
i dont know if i can say that this one is better than the 1st one... im watching it again tomorrow night.. hopefully ill be a little more rested and will form another opinion
 
[quote name='Scorch']Toned down!? Toned down!?
The entire movie revolved Sam/Mikaela, will they/won't they break up, oh no Sam cheated on her oh wait bitch is a transformer, and around who said I love you first!!! How is that toning down?
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it was there, but there was other stuff going on during the Sam/Mikaela stuff that actually involved the robots. The first half of the first movie was pretty much throwaway. You had to wonder if you were watching Transformers while watching that.
 
[quote name='whoknows']You had to wonder if you were watching Transformers while watching that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.. especially the slow motion pan around both of them.. ugh
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Oh Coffee Edge, always going against the popular opinion![/QUOTE]

What the fuck is this bullshit, son? As if I do that on purpose? Don't fucking trivialize my opinion, as though it were pure contrarianism. If I was doing that, I'd be complaining that Megan Fox is ugly.

I want to say something that rhymes with "bill your shelf," but I'm not going to do it.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Yeah.. especially the slow motion pan around both of them.. ugh[/QUOTE]

Scorch - Who knows was talking about the original. The pan was in the second. I don't recall one in the first?
 
[quote name='MrNEWZ']Scorch - Who knows was talking about the original. The pan was in the second. I don't recall one in the first?[/QUOTE]

/sarcasm
 
Buncha fuckin' losers in this thread....

Megan Fox + Shia LaBeouf = Money.

The movie was awesome.....shit blew up....it's fuckin' Transformers not Juno....or whatever the fuck you kids love.
 
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