Ubisoft threatens to sue Something Awful over Jade Raymond webcomic

[quote name='benjamouth']It did seem like it to me sometimes but that's just my opinion. I certainly wasn't calling you thick dude, sorry if it seemed like that, I fully retract any "Myke is thick" insinuation.[/QUOTE]

No insinuation, but something I gleaned myself from the thread - as someone who considers themselves a knowledgeable gamer, I was irked that something that appeared to be such a phenomenon (as I said, the "sexing up" of game development) went right the hell over my head.

It happens, of course - I didn't pay much attention to the development of the DS "Petz" series. But I am interested in AC, so I'm caught by surprise.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand.

EDIT: I'm a cynic, so I'm not sure you'll see much respect provided people, given the anonymous nature of the internet. It's going to get a helluva lot worse first, if nothing else.
 
To me it really seems like a classic case of gamer-sexism. What i mean is, everytime Def Jam Icon was talked about EA paraded Kudo Tsunoda in front of every camera, every interviewer. When Callin All Cars was about to drop, David Jaffe's circus face was everywhere. And the list goes on and on. The only difference is Jade Raymond is a woman whos relatively attractive. At that point though, Ubisoft DID start to kinda capitalize on nerboy horniness by pretty much attaching more and more to her job in terms of hyping the game.

Its just a blurred line, because people are saying "they had some guy they coulda used" -- but why SHOULDNT they have used her? Whenever ive read or seen an interview with the chick she was decently articulate and pretty much talked up her game -- just like the rest of these producer dudes that over talk their games do. Seemed normal par for the course.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh my. Looks like CoffeeEdge brought back his fabled ability to make himself the center of attention, ironically enough in a thread about Ubisoft making Jade Raymond the center of attention. :lol: Just can't resist revolving the universe around you, can ya? :lol:

Again, I had to google image search Jade Raymond b/c I didn't think I'd seen her before. So it turns out I had, but not a revolting degree. Some of y'all like to come off like Ubisoft hyped her so much that she was on every page of EGM, when in reality she's a producer (a rather high profile position), and what really separates her from the David Jaffes, Peter Molyneuxs, David Perrys (okay, that's an easy one: she's making games people buy), and other fevered-egos of the game industry at the producer level? Y'all act like it's an act of tragedy and subterfuge that a game producer doesn't look like a lazy-eyed schmuck, and decry that the lone example of a high-profile female at the producer in the games industry must be the result of them wanting to "sex up" the development end of a title! Think about that for a moment.

Or not; you can giggle about how she's been whored out, and she loves cock...and that makes you classless, certainly not clever, and truly lacking in things to validly criticize her/the game for.

Besides, you all really expose your sexism as a consequence of me never once seeing any "Reggie Fils-Aime/Major Nelson/Whatever Dumbass Foot-in-Mouth Disease Moron Sony's Parading Around Now loves cock and will suck your dick if you buy their games" arguments. What do you think *they* do all day?[/QUOTE]


I agree with everything you said so much, I decided to quote the whole thing. I anticipated Assassin's Creed way more than Gears of War but actually saw that Cliffy B guy more than this girl, but I never heard anything about him being pimped out or what have you. Also just before the 360 launch J Allard was fucking everywhere. This is just one big double standard.

Also that comic sucked. (No pun intended.)
 
Pretty clear satire.

It's lame, but still satire. Would a reasonable person look at that and think it's an official ad from Ubi, something whoever that woman in the comic really said or did, or in any way offiicially associated with the game? Of course not.

Seems like the same deal with that ad Flynt came out with decades ago about Falwell losing his virginity to his mother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Falwellhustler.jpg

Although it looks like Falwell did win some money out of that one - it just wasn't libel, so who knows? (I tend to doubt whoever is behind that comic has deep pockets though...)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh my. Looks like CoffeeEdge brought back his fabled ability to make himself the center of attention, ironically enough in a thread about Ubisoft making Jade Raymond the center of attention. :lol: Just can't resist revolving the universe around you, can ya? :lol:

[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the Internet. You could replace the name CoffeeEdge with just about any other name on CAG and it would still be true.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Just a note...Ubisoft has only threatened to sue, there currently no lawsuit.[/quote]

not worth suing over. frivilous and unnecessary attention for the webcomic and the people behind it. i never heard of this webcomic until now.
 
Oh God. I hate it when stuff like this happens because it makes free speech look horrible.

Did they have the right to make that Comic? Yes they did.

Was it in excedingly bad taste? Hell yeah.

Who I feel bad for is Jade. She wasn't going around being a slut, she was put in charge of the product because of how she looked. But she never did anything Slutty. Unfortunately though, when you are at the helm of any project you are gonna get critized about it.

Truthfully, I think Ubisoft has no grounds for a lawsuit however, that comic was in exceedingly bad taste and I would certainly never visit that site again if they continued this trend.
 
Just to put things in perspective for everyone:

Jade Raymond is not a slut because she is being paid. That makes her a whore.

Now, as this thread was implying, she is a whore in the sense of being a spotlight whore, not a "suck your cock for money" whore, as the comic implies. You get the same result when David Jaffe plugs God of War, or Will Wright showcases Spore, it's the same result: A developer professionally whores his/her game. It's not a tasteless presentation, it's how the economy works, and we call it advertising.

The Jade/Blowjob comic just makes more sense, because in the simplest, most childish sexual inneundo (Read: not my own beliefs): Woman + Cock in proximity = Cock in mouth. Realistically though, the same comic works with Wright or Jaffe as well
(FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT DRAW THIS).

Was Ubisoft's whoring (professionally) of Jade appropriate? Of course, she had a big hand of making the damn game, so obviously she should be qualified to present it. Was it a marketing decision based on sex appeal? Probably, depends on how tastefully they do it.

If they went overboard on their presentation (I.E.: Look at Jade not the game), then the comic is just a parody of how easily that could transition to the sexual whoring of Jade. Again, you get the same result with Jaffe and Wright (seriously, who other than Wright presents Spore at any public presentation?)

The only difference is, Jade is sexually attractive to members of the male populous (I don't think Jaffe could pull that off even if God of War 3 in reality gave free blowjobs).

All in all, I believe it was safe to assume that Jade was given the PR position because she actually made the damn game, and not because she has breasts and a vagina (It's not like Ubisoft tells her to jump at least 25 times in each presentation).

Give the woman some credit, she made a game some of you really want to play. Don't give a shit if she's a woman or not, play the damn game and see if you like it.

Aside from all of that, I really wouldn't want porn made of my girlfriend either, so I don't see anything wrong with wanting the comic to be pulled. If it was about me, then I'd probably take it as a form of flattery, but hey, I'm a guy.

~HotShotX
 
Anybody who is HotShotX or has a mentality similar to his are the real smart people who posted in this thread. Thank you.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Just a note...Ubisoft has only threatened to sue, there currently no lawsuit.[/quote]

Shit. Just one little threat and all this free publicity.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Shit. Just one little threat and all this free publicity.[/quote]

hell I'd buy the game...if I didn't already get it 2 days ago.

honestly I didn't think when I saw this at chugworth, it would amount to anything. but hey looks like dave cheung is the biggest winner in this one....that is until ubi gets their head straight.

the question now is...what does jade think about this?
 
*shrugs* I thought the comic was funny. I saw it as making fun of gaming nerds just as much as Ubisoft.
[quote name='mykevermin']Besides, you all really expose your sexism as a consequence of me never once seeing any "Reggie Fils-Aime/Major Nelson/Whatever Dumbass Foot-in-Mouth Disease Moron Sony's Parading Around Now loves cock and will suck your dick if you buy their games" arguments. What do you think *they* do all day?[/quote]
While I haven't seen any dick sucking comments regarding these guys (which I believe probably have to do with most gamers being male, and not wanting to see these guys suck dick) these guys do get bashed on a consistant basis. Hell, the Sony execs have been the source of more bashings than Jade has ever been. Look, you even did it yourself.
 
[quote name='daroga']Parody is one thing to weigh in here. Libel and defamation of character are others. It's not so cut and dry, guys. Not that I know jack-crap about law or anything ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about law.

For it to go through as a defamation of character or libel case, she'd have to prove that this stupid little comic, probably only seen by a few thousand people before the uproar about the C&D order, actually has harmed her in any way.

Hint: It hasn't.

[quote name='darthbudge']...and I would certainly never visit that site again if they continued this trend.[/QUOTE]
Uh...you've never been to SA, have you?

Or where you talking about Chugworth? Not going to Chugworth is fine, because that comic sucks.

[quote name='Rei no Otaku']*shrugs* I thought the comic was funny. I saw it as making fun of gaming nerds just as much as Ubisoft.[/QUOTE]
BRAVO, someone with some sense!

This comic wasn't just to make fun of Raymond's media whorishness. It's to make fun of all the nerds who have basically fallen in love with her.


PS, unrelated but I just wanted to put this out there: I don't dislike Raymond just because of the whole Assassin's Creed fiasco. She was annoying as hell on The Electric Playground, back as long ago as late 2004 if I remember correctly, so I had already started disliking her, years before most of you had even heard of her.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about law.

For it to go through as a defamation of character or libel case, she'd have to prove that this stupid little comic, probably only seen by a few thousand people before the uproar about the C&D order, actually has harmed her in any way.

Hint: It hasn't.[/QUOTE]

She clearly is offended by it hence the law suit. Also, last time I checked a few thousand people is a hell of a lot of people. It's not impossible for her to prove that this comic caused her emotional pain and anguish in the workplace, life etc.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']She clearly is offended by it hence the law suit. Also, last time I checked a few thousand people is a hell of a lot of people. It's not impossible for her to prove that this comic caused her emotional pain and anguish in the workplace, life etc.[/QUOTE]
So, what? You think that this comic was the first time anyone's made fun of her like this? You think that every single Ubi employee that she works alongside hasn't heard about the shit said about her on the internetz?

Seriously, if they wanted to sue every person who's called her a cocksucker, Ubisoft would need to hire every lawyer in the country.
 
I saw it as making fun of gaming nerds just as much as Ubisoft.

Indeed. They are just as culpable in the promotional gimmick 'equation' being made light of here, the 'funny factor' and offensiveness of the strip aside. Actually, one could argue that they deserve the majority of the blame as they're pathetic enough to succumb to Ubisoft's tactics.

P.S. I do feel sorry for this woman. She seems fairly well-intentioned, and hasn't licked any PSPs to my knowledge.

P.P.S. I can't wait for the follow-up strip when Ubi has their Frag Dolls promote the sequel!
 
[quote name='Mugen']I'm glad she is sueing that is in bad taste and disrespectful to her.I know enough about law to say that ubisoft and jade would win this lawsuit easily.[/quote]

Wow, a 13 year old with a freaking JD. She's not "sueing", Mattlock Junior. There is no lawsuit, and even if there were, against SA, Ubisoft and Jade would never win.

"I know enough about the law"...too comical...
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']So, what? You think that this comic was the first time anyone's made fun of her like this? You think that every single Ubi employee that she works alongside hasn't heard about the shit said about her on the internetz?

Seriously, if they wanted to sue every person who's called her a cocksucker, Ubisoft would need to hire every lawyer in the country.[/quote]They've got something to latch on to and they're going for it. There's nothing illegit about that. She could, technically, go after every seedy comment made about her.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Wow, a 13 year old with a freaking JD. She's not "sueing", Mattlock Junior. There is no lawsuit, and even if there were, against SA, Ubisoft and Jade would never win.

"I know enough about the law"...too comical...[/QUOTE]
For real. I called him out about wanting to see his E-lawyer credentials, but I guess he can't find his certificates...

[quote name='daroga']She could, technically, go after every seedy comment made about her.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and Square-Enix could technically go after every person who has ever written a Final Fantasy fanfiction, or every hentai artist who has ever drawn Tifa getting fucked, or every FF fansite which hosts any imagery or art whatsoever from the game. Technically, but not practically.
 
[quote name='xxtheycallmedxx']Well,quoting me specifically and than then saying anyone who has a different opinion than you is a pussy was justification enough for me to respond.

Maybe i'm missing something but how does a company exploiting one of its employess make her a slut?

I could honestly care less about her as person becuase I dont know from a hole in the wall,but I was giving my opinion on the article,not critiqueing other ppls posts.

and yeah im definately down for fighting to settle whether some chick neither of us knows is truly a slut of not.[/quote]

Than then??? What the hell?!?

Oh snaps we got an e-fight!!!

Seriously though, she WILLINGLY WHORED HERSELF OUT, using and allowing her company to use her "sex appeal" (what little she has of it, I don't really see what's so special about her...guess it's just so rare to have a female involved in game development who is remotely attractive) in a pathetic attempt to sell their over hyped and not so worthy product.

Happens all the time, it's called media and advertising.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']While I haven't seen any dick sucking comments regarding these guys (which I believe probably have to do with most gamers being male, and not wanting to see these guys suck dick) these guys do get bashed on a consistant basis. Hell, the Sony execs have been the source of more bashings than Jade has ever been. Look, you even did it yourself.[/QUOTE]

Indeed I did. But that's not the point; the point with regards to sexism is not that Raymond or her game should be exempt from criticism. AC shouldn't be; nothing should be. It's that we reserve comments like "ego-maniac," "spinster," "dipshit," "liar," and the like for males, but when a female comes along, those prior complaints levied are quickly replaced by unproven and irrelevant "whore," "slut," "tramp."

I'd much prefer to see a scathing review of Assassin's Creed, or whatever other projects she's worked on, as an indictment of her professionally; I don't care about her personally at all. Not my business. But, apparently, the "free speech" crowd is here to not just justify that this is free speech, but also to shoot down that it is incredibly classless, tasteless, and completely fucking irrelevant. I like the Hustler analogy earlier mentioning Falwell; Hustler is one of the worst piece of garbage publications I've ever seen. They deserve, and have the right, to be published. The right to exist/be published is not something that necessarily coincides with "worthwhile," "relevant," or "meaningful" in any way (let alone "funny"). It can be free speech, and it may well be (may well be libel also), but it can certainly be *really shitty* free speech made by sexist assholes. Right?

Why blowjobs just for her? Why not David Jaffe? It's inappropriate to merely guess that he's a straight male (but we go ahead and do it anyway).

I hope to live to see the day when "boy, what a shitty overhyped game" becomes the norm, instead of "here, I'll suck your cock if you play my game."
 
I had no idea who this chick was until this thread. So i did a quick search and I don't see what all of the "hype" surrounding her is. I didn't see her do a single ass to mouth shot in my search and thus it was all wasted time.
 
You're a regular knight in shining armor, aren't you, myke?

PS, you're still missing how this comic is making as much, if note more fun of stupid gamers who have become infatuated with Raymond, as it is Raymond herself.

And will someone please change the goddamn thread title.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Why blowjobs just for her? Why not David Jaffe? It's inappropriate to merely guess that he's a straight male (but we go ahead and do it anyway).[/quote]
I'm pretty sure he has a wife and kid (if not more than one) lol. I believe he's mentioned them on his blog. There are no BJs for Jaffe because the majority of gamers, who are male, do not want him to suck their dick. That's it.

Anyway, I see what you're saying. But I'm saying that drawing a comic of her sucking dick is no worse than people drawing comics of Sony execs shitting on fans.

Ubisoft whored her out to promote the game, and the nerdy fans lapped it up. Both are lampooned in the comic which just took that situation and showed it in a literal sense.
 
[quote name='xxtheycallmedxx']Sounds like you've had some pretty interesting jobs/Career.[/quote]

He's been the janitor in many a places. :lol:

I loved the comic, cause it had that red haired kid from the gamestop magazines.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed I did. But that's not the point; the point with regards to sexism is not that Raymond or her game should be exempt from criticism. AC shouldn't be; nothing should be. It's that we reserve comments like "ego-maniac," "spinster," "dipshit," "liar," and the like for males, but when a female comes along, those prior complaints levied are quickly replaced by unproven and irrelevant "whore," "slut," "tramp."

I'd much prefer to see a scathing review of Assassin's Creed, or whatever other projects she's worked on, as an indictment of her professionally; I don't care about her personally at all. Not my business. But, apparently, the "free speech" crowd is here to not just justify that this is free speech, but also to shoot down that it is incredibly classless, tasteless, and completely fucking irrelevant. I like the Hustler analogy earlier mentioning Falwell; Hustler is one of the worst piece of garbage publications I've ever seen. They deserve, and have the right, to be published. The right to exist/be published is not something that necessarily coincides with "worthwhile," "relevant," or "meaningful" in any way (let alone "funny"). It can be free speech, and it may well be (may well be libel also), but it can certainly be *really shitty* free speech made by sexist assholes. Right?

Why blowjobs just for her? Why not David Jaffe? It's inappropriate to merely guess that he's a straight male (but we go ahead and do it anyway).

I hope to live to see the day when "boy, what a shitty overhyped game" becomes the norm, instead of "here, I'll suck your cock if you play my game."[/quote]

Perhaps the smartest thing said in this thread so far. Strange, considering how I only agree with you about half the time (that is, I tend to agree with most of your posts, but I can find something that I disagree with within the same posts).

I had heard the name Jade Raymond before, but like many of you, I had to GIS her to jog my memory. I didn't even know she was producing Assassin's Creed. Somehow, however, I think I did connect her with Ubisoft, only because her name was Jade, and that was the main character's name in Beyond Good and Evil, IIRC.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']So, what? You think that this comic was the first time anyone's made fun of her like this? You think that every single Ubi employee that she works alongside hasn't heard about the shit said about her on the internetz?

Seriously, if they wanted to sue every person who's called her a cocksucker, Ubisoft would need to hire every lawyer in the country.[/QUOTE]

The point is that she found this particular comic extremely offensive and Ubisoft is taking action on behalf of their employee. They have yet to file a complaint, but they can/will if there isn't a retraction.

Oh by the way you don't need to sue every person who's called "you" a cocksucker just one will suffice to deter others from doing so. An injunction would have been just fine but people tend to feel more threatened when they hear/read the word "lawsuit"(it deters a lot of people).
 
[quote name='kill3r7']Oh by the way you don't need to sue every person who's called "you" a cocksucker just one will suffice to deter others from doing so.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

You really believe that?

It's usually quite the opposite, my friend. If someone bawls over being made fun of on the internet, it invariably only gets worse for them.
 
I think the lawsuit is going too far, even though the comic is hardly even a joke, as much as it is a blatant insult. On the other hand, Ubisoft probably doesn't expect this to go to court. they probably figured a lawsuit threat would be enough to fix the situation. It's good that they're defending their employee, I suppose, but this is money better spent on Tom Clancy's Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']:lol:

You really believe that?

It's usually quite the opposite, my friend. If someone bawls over being made fun of on the internet, it invariably only gets worse for them.[/quote]

You really think Cheapy would sit quietly if someone drew something of his wife like that? I'd doubt that.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']funny? no.

offensive? yes.

lawsuit worthy? no.[/quote]

Pretty much.

I think the key point is that Ubisoft is suing, not Raymond herself. It just seems to me that they might be suing for reasons other than the defense of Jade Raymond's character. It would much more justifiable if Jade Raymond herself sued them for defamation of characer. I know I would be mad if I were her.

Pittpizza, javeryh, you guys are lawyers. Do you know off the top of your heads why Ubisoft might want to sue them instead of Raymond?
 
[quote name='Killer Rabbit']I think the key point is that Ubisoft is suing, not Raymond herself.[/QUOTE]

Hey you missed a small detail:
NO ONE IS SUING ANYONE.


[quote name='GuilewasNK']You really think Cheapy would sit quietly if someone drew something of his wife like that? I'd doubt that.[/QUOTE]
You really think he could take anyone to court over it?

Yeah, he'd banhammer for sure, but that's a far fucking cry from winning a character defamation case in a court of law.

And besides, what the hell are you bringing Mrs D into this for? I don't get your analogy, or how it is in any way a reply to the fact that when the Internet Hate Machine picks a target, the target becoming upset and threatening legal action over being attacked usually doesn't do much good.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']:lol:

You really believe that?

It's usually quite the opposite, my friend. If someone bawls over being made fun of on the internet, it invariably only gets worse for them.[/QUOTE]

On the contrary you can sue or get a civil injunction on them Torts 101. Read some of the early 70's civil rights cases and you will see what you can do. The reason no one bothers to do it is because at the end of the day there is no profit in it for the lawyers.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']You really think he could take anyone to court over it?

Yeah, he'd banhammer for sure, but that's a far fucking cry from winning a character defamation case in a court of law.

And besides, what the hell are you bringing Mrs D into this for? I don't get your analogy, or how it is in any way a reply to the fact that when the Internet Hate Machine picks a target, the target becoming upset and threatening legal action over being attacked usually doesn't do much good.[/quote]

This is the US, where a judge can sue a Korean cleaners $54 million over a pair of pants. I don't agree with it, but anything can happen.

However, I was mainly talking about your quote of "bawling over the internet".

It was an analogy that you couldn't apply your "Internet Serious Buisness" to. That was all. Just proving it isn't an absolute. I could have said anyone else, but I'm sure your answer would have been different.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']This is the US, where a judge can sue a Korean cleaners $54 million over a pair of pants[/QUOTE]
...and lose the case, become an international laughing stock, lose your term as an Administrative Law Judge and your appointment to the bench of the Office of Administrative Hearings, and finally, be left jobless and quite literally penniless, and in fact, in massive debt due to the court costs, which is what ultimately happened to Roy Pearson. Yeah, he got a pretty good deal right there, god bless America. Frivolous lawsuits are a really great idea.

Find me one case, one case, where someone has actually won a case over even the worst trolls from SA or *chan. You'll have a hard enough time even finding any stories where cases have even actually seen the light of day in court.

[quote name='GuilewasNK']It was an analogy that you couldn't apply your "Internet Serious Buisness" to.[/QUOTE]
Why can't I apply Srs Biz to your analogy? Because, I dunno if you know this, but to all of us who aren't personal friends of teh Ds, they're both just internet entities to us.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']...and lose the case, become an international laughing stock, lose your term as an Administrative Law Judge and your appointment to the bench of the Office of Administrative Hearings, and finally, be left quite literally penniless, and in fact, in massive debt due to the court costs, which is what ultimately happened to Roy Pearson. Yeah, he got a pretty good deal right there, god bless America. Frivolous lawsuits are a really great idea.

Find me one case, one case, where someone has actually won a case over even the worst trolls from SA or 4chan. You'll have a hard enough time finding any stories where cases have even actually seen the light of day in court.[/quote]

I never said I agree with frivolous suits. Pearson lost his job today. All I am saying is that anything in the American legal system is possible.

I think an apology is warranted, but beyond that I don't know. I don't like getting courts involved in anything if it can be helped. I'm not about ruining someones life over a mistake either.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I never said I agree with frivolous suits. Pearson lost his job today. All I am saying is that anything in the American legal system is possible.

I think an apology is warranted, but beyond that I don't know. I don't like getting courts involved in anything if it can be helped. I'm not about ruining someones life over a mistake either.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so, I'm lost...what is your point?

You replied to a post where all I said was that a lot of hardcore trolls usually only get trollier when they see their victim suffer, and then you started talking about...honestly, I don't even know what.
 
Well, I'd like to take this time to congratulate the author of that comic.

He's succeeded in his goal of getting half the internet to talk about a comic noone ever heard of until the other day. Gotta love free publicity. :applause:
 
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']You're a regular knight in shining armor, aren't you, myke?

PS, you're still missing how this comic is making as much, if note more fun of stupid gamers who have become infatuated with Raymond, as it is Raymond herself.

And will someone please change the goddamn thread title.[/QUOTE]

You'll have to forgive me if I'm unwilling to wallow in the depths of classlessness and see this as worthwhile parody. Maybe I can make a point about Sony's narcissism by drawing a flash animation of an ass (with the Sony logo on it) taking a giant dump on a throng of cheering stick figures? That would be the PERFECT metaphor!

Oh, wait...it's been done. I'm sickened by people's inability to be clever or funny (or believe that they can't) unless they resort to being as offensive as humanly possible. It's that Sarah Silverman school of "I'll disguise my dunderheaded joke with enough rape, racism and bodily fluids so that we can all have a laugh about it." Like "The Aristocrats." It's not about humor - it's about pushing boundaries and making people uncomfortable.

If you genuinely think that Jade was pushed to "sex up development" (which is still an absurd idea to me, as it's about the same suggestion as, say, pointing to Dana Perino and claiming they're trying to "sex up" the White House Press Corp), and want to point that out as a point of parody, going straight to blowjob avenue for your joke is easy and not clever. It's a cheap shot, yet you laud it as an apt analogy for what they've done (which I'm still not convinced of the certainty of).

It's about as well thought out as "Larry the Cable Guy," in short.

I stand nothing to gain by being a "knight in shining armor," as you say. Like you point out later, that drawing attention to something like this on the internet only necessarily results in *greater* mockery, I make life more of a pain by having the perspective I do. I have to put up with the bullshit attitude of "deal with it" from the likes of you and those who seem to get a great big hi-larious guffaw out of a good-ol' dicksuckin' joke. You know, the safe and uncreative kind that Bill Hicks used to promise when delivering his brilliant and cutting humor.

"There's dick jokes on the way, please relax. People are goin', "this guy better have some good dick jokes, I'll tell you that honey. This guys better have a big long purple veined dick joke to pull himself out of this comedy hole." Throw down the big purple veined dick and I crawl out of it -- and that's gonna be the joke."

As far as mocking gamers, I don't really see it. I understand *how* you can interpret it that way, but in the larger context of socialized concepts of masculine sexuality, let me pose this question to you: how would your friends (gamers and nongamers alike) react if you told them you turned down a free blowjob from an attractive woman? You'd be ridiculed for that for the rest of your life, wouldn't you?

That's why I don't see it as mocking gamers: the cartoon depicts Raymond as the aggressor and the victim all at once, while gamers are merely portrayed as the understandably willing recipients of her sexual advances; NOT as those gamers who would beg and plead for any sort of touch from a woman whatsoever (which would imply what you suggest). Isn't Playboy publishing a "naked women from video games" portfolio sometime soon? That's pretty indicative of mocking gamers to me; far moreso than having to slander somebody to make some larger point.

Lastly, even *if* I agreed that this mocks gamers as well, it's irrelevant, and doesn't change that it's extraordinarily offensive, sexist, irrelevant to critical claims that could be made, and uncreative (and poorly drawn to boot). Even though they aren't true, that doesn't suddenly justify the rest of your cartoon.

I anxiously await your "internets is serious business"-esque obfuscation and childlike gum-flapping retort.
 
Got tired of reading this thread so apologies if any of this has been covered.

I doubt Ubisoft has any intention to sue, this is just a PR move. If any of you had a chance to sit down and talk to JR I'm pretty sure you'd drop these uber-macho personas in a second. There's much more to her than the pretty face...
 
That was fucking terrible. Not just because of the content, but because it lacked anything resembling intelligent satire or humor.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Women's Lib thesis[/quote]

How about this: Lighten the fuck up.

Seriously, are you trying to convince me or anyone else who doesn't find the cartoon offensive, that it is? Good luck with that.

[quote name='mykevermin']I stand nothing to gain by being a "knight in shining armor," as you say.[/quote]
Then why are you acting like one, writing these essays about how this stupid little comic is so horrible and rapes all women everywhere and directly propagates the rich white male conservative power structure and so on and so forth?

[quote name='mykevermin']Like you point out later, that drawing attention to something like this on the internet only necessarily results in *greater* mockery, I make life more of a pain by having the perspective I do.[/quote]
Hahaha, oh man, listen to you. "Look, I am very experienced at life and have a much broader perspective on everything than you, so believe me when I say that this comic, as well as all internetz trolling, is really really really bad. Ugh. God, it's so hard being me, mykevermin, because the great breadth of my perspective on all things makes such immature, tasteless humor so painful to my sensitive sensibilities. Thus, I am compelled to write essays and theses on the internet about it until you all realize how immature and limited in perspective you are for not feeling the same way about it as I do."

[quote name='mykevermin']I have to put up with the bullshit attitude of "deal with it" from the likes of you and those who seem to get a great big hi-larious guffaw out of a good-ol' dicksuckin' joke.[/quote]
Wow, sorry, man. I didn't know that I was making your life so hard by not getting offended over a stupid cartoon making fun of a B-list videogame industry figure that we'll all have forgotten about in a month.

Man, I bet if I told you that I like South Park and The Aristocrats, your head would explode.

Let's try this one: Uwe Boll's Postal is the greatest piece of social satire ever created, and deserves the Best Picture Oscar, a place in the Library of Congress' film registry, as well as becoming a "required viewing" component of all college social studies courses.


...so...did that last paragraph cause cause you to have a heart attack?

[quote name='mykevermin']Lastly, even *if* I agreed that this mocks gamers as well, it's irrelevant, and doesn't change that it's extraordinarily offensive, sexist, irrelevant to critical claims that could be made, and uncreative (and poorly drawn to boot). Even though they aren't true, that doesn't suddenly justify the rest of your cartoon.[/quote]
Who fucking asked you to "justify" this cartoon's existence?

[quote name='mykevermin']I anxiously await your "internets is serious business"-esque obfuscation and childlike gum-flapping retort.[/QUOTE]
The Internet®: Serious Business™
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']If any of you had a chance to sit down and talk to JR I'm pretty sure you'd drop these uber-macho personas in a second.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'd love to talk to her, and ask her why the AI in Assassin's Creed is such utter, boring-to-tears shit, and why they blew the stupid meta-story within the first five minutes when it would have been a lot more effective to hold out on it for a while. And also, while his music is great, is Tommy Tallarico really such an assclown in person?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']How about this: Lighten the fuck up.[/QUOTE]

No; it's not who I am and it's not how I do things. If you don't like it, you can not waste your time with me (which, given your flippant long-winded response that spends 300 words stating that you didn't read, let alone address, anything I had said, you evidently already have).

Gum-flapping, indeed.

Why don't you make another thinly-veiled homophobic signature, while you're at it?
 
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