What is the best way to report a Gamerscore cheater?

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I have someone on my friends list who all of a sudden has 1000 and 200 for all his games. He now has over 70000 gamerscore. Not too long ago he had less than me and mine is only 12000 so I know he has hacked it or something.

BTW, I mean report to Microsoft, not CAG in case there is confusion.
 
If they're on your friend list, why would you report them? Regardless, Microsoft will get the guy. I don't think you can really do much to help.
 
The only thing they've stolen is their dignity. Drop him from your friends list with a note of shame.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']If they're on your friend list, why would you report them? Regardless, Microsoft will get the guy. I don't think you can really do much to help.[/QUOTE]

MS will not always "get the guy", maybe a huge jump in score like that they could, but it is highly unlikely that they care that much. Anyways, I don't really see why you care to report him, it isn't like the score really matters that much. I could understand if he were entering into gamerscore contest and then did this, but outside of that it is a really pointless score and I don't care if someone "magically" jumps up higher than mine or not.
 
[quote name='SlimJim0725']MS will not always "get the guy", maybe a huge jump in score like that they could, but it is highly unlikely that they care that much. Anyways, I don't really see why you care to report him, it isn't like the score really matters that much. I could understand if he were entering into gamerscore contest and then did this, but outside of that it is a really pointless score and I don't care if someone "magically" jumps up higher than mine or not.[/QUOTE]

It's not the score that I have a problem with, it's the obvious cheating.
 
[quote name='timesplitt']microsoft wont do ****[/QUOTE]

Yes, they will. I've known 4 people who have cheated like that, and every single one had their gamerscore reset to zero and was labeled a cheater.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']It's not the score that I have a problem with, it's the obvious cheating.[/QUOTE]

I just don't see why it really matters unless it directly affects you. If it directly affects you then I am all for it and would say do it ASAP. However, I think there are much more important forms of cheating I would rather have addressed over having them go after someone who "cheated" to get achievements (which don't do anything to me). That is just my personal opinion though and you are going to do whatever you want regardless, I am just trying to really understand the logic behind it.

@Matt Young: I bet they all also jumped up scores rapidly with completing almost every game and likely had online only achievements unlocked without the online timestamp which is a clear sign of a gamesave. Most people wont do it while connected to LIVE, so it is pretty easy to tell especially since if they are online when they do it every achievement will have the same timestamp give or take a minute.
 
You will notice a lot more Gamerscore cheating/Gamertag hack/avatar mods/etc. since USB's can be used to do it all now.

They do actually ban/suspend for all of the above, it may take awhile but most end up getting caught.
 
[quote name='life.exe']You will notice a lot more Gamerscore cheating/Gamertag hack/avatar mods/etc. since USB's can be used to do it all now.

They do actually ban/suspend for all of the above, it may take awhile but most end up getting caught.[/QUOTE]

Quit getting your hopes up, they don't ban/suspend anyone for this. The only thing they do is reset the gamescore and change the motto (and IIRC bio) to label them a cheater. I know more than a few people that have been caught for this from back in my achievement whoring days (a lot of them would do a lot of games legit) and not a single on got the ban/suspension hammer. In fact, they were back to playing the very same day, the only thing that is really different is that they can no longer earn achievements for any of the games that they have "played."
 
[quote name='SlimJim0725']I just don't see why it really matters unless it directly affects you. If it directly affects you then I am all for it and would say do it ASAP. However, I think there are much more important forms of cheating I would rather have addressed over having them go after someone who "cheated" to get achievements (which don't do anything to me). That is just my personal opinion though and you are going to do whatever you want regardless, I am just trying to really understand the logic behind it.

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To answer the question, I know the guy personally and I warned him not to mod on LIVE after he brought up the fact he was thinking about it. I thought I talked him out of it, but I guess not.

The dead giveaway is his 1750 complete for Halo 3. He told me point blank he hates Halo 3 and never plays it. What a maroon.
 
Eh, I still don't understand why this is even an issue. They're just e-penis points that don't really matter to anyone but the person who's getting them. If it just comes down to cheating, would it be bothersome if the dude entered cheat codes for his games? If this was a competition where someone won and someone lost, then I could see your point. But right now it really just kinda feels like a little bit of gamerscore envy :\

Anyway, I'm sure the dude will be discovered through at least one of the means other posters in here have mentioned.
 
[quote name='SEH']Sounds like someone is mad that their friend has a higher gamerscore.[/QUOTE]

Child please.

Look at the CAG Leaderboard on Trueachievements. I am like 199 out of 227. If it was a simple matter of envy I would have been mad years ago. Everyone has more than me and that is fine because 99% of people earn their achievements. The only reason I am speaking up is because of the cheating.
 
[quote name='Kerig']The only thing they've stolen is their dignity. Drop him from your friends list with a note of shame.[/QUOTE]


Kerig has it right.
 
Confront your friend in person about his higher gamerscore and tell him if he values your friendship he shouldn't do something like that.
 
Challenge him to single combat, to the death. That is the only fitting punishment for a crime of this magnitude. I mean today it's Gamerscore, the next thing you know he'll be cheating at Solitare!!!
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']File a cheating complaint on his gamertag. It does get noticed. Or you can email [email protected] or send a Twitter to @stepto.[/QUOTE]

Yea, that is probably the best way to do it. I'm not sure it will do anything though. They seem to come out and announce mass resets/bannings every so often, but I'm not sure they are actively doing bans/resets on a case by case basis, despite what they claim. For example, they did a bunch when people found a way to glitch the Level 100 achievement in Gears 2, but they haven't done anything about people that have used the profile glitch to get Seriously in Gears 1.

If the person is registered on TrueAchievements you can report them on there which will at least get them banned from that site. Link
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']To answer the question, I know the guy personally and I warned him not to mod on LIVE after he brought up the fact he was thinking about it. I thought I talked him out of it, but I guess not.

The dead giveaway is his 1750 complete for Halo 3. He told me point blank he hates Halo 3 and never plays it. What a maroon.[/QUOTE]

Again, I just don't see how it is affecting you really. It is just a meaningless score that he took someone's save for and made it his own. I could understand if he were modding his system to cheat in multiplayer games that would give him some sort of advantage, but outside of that I just really don't get why it bothers you. Again though, if you want to report him nobody can stop you from doing it, I just think it is a waste of the resources of the LIVE enforcement people to go after gamescore cheaters rather than people who jtag, glitch, etc. in multiplayer games (which is my reason for paying for LIVE, to avoid this sort of thing).
 
Yeah, I am not understanding why you are so concerned. At first I thought you did not know the guy, but reading that its a personal friend from your real life, and your willing to basically snitch on him for something that doesnt at all effect you is sort of weird to me.

my $0.02
 
[quote name='SlimJim0725']Again, I just don't see how it is affecting you really. It is just a meaningless score that he took someone's save for and made it his own. I could understand if he were modding his system to cheat in multiplayer games that would give him some sort of advantage, but outside of that I just really don't get why it bothers you. Again though, if you want to report him nobody can stop you from doing it, I just think it is a waste of the resources of the LIVE enforcement people to go after gamescore cheaters rather than people who jtag, glitch, etc. in multiplayer games (which is my reason for paying for LIVE, to avoid this sort of thing).[/QUOTE]


I report those other things as I see them. If it was a waste of resources then Microsoft wouldn't do anything or have the rules in the first place.

Keep in mind I have seen more of those other things in multiplayer with people I don't know and this is the first time I noticed someone on my friends list hacking.

It doesn't matter if anyone understands why it bothers me. I've explained why it does. Whether anyone accepts that is irrelevant as I don't need consensus to feel validated in my feelings. I know this guy (not as well as I thought), and no one else on this site does, so it is moot.
 
[quote name='AceSXE']Yeah, I am not understanding why you are so concerned. At first I thought you did not know the guy, but reading that its a personal friend from your real life, and your willing to basically snitch on him for something that doesnt at all effect you is sort of weird to me.

my $0.02[/QUOTE]

Yeah, sounds like a douchebag thing to do to someone you know.
 
[quote name='timesplitt']microsoft wont do ****[/QUOTE]
Wait til the Reach Beta is out and see if he's still around.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I report those other things as I see them. If it was a waste of resources then Microsoft wouldn't do anything or have the rules in the first place.

Keep in mind I have seen more of those other things in multiplayer with people I don't know and this is the first time I noticed someone on my friends list hacking.

It doesn't matter if anyone understands why it bothers me. I've explained why it does. Whether anyone accepts that is irrelevant as I don't need consensus to feel validated in my feelings. I know this guy (not as well as I thought), and no one else on this site does, so it is moot.[/QUOTE]

But MS does try to do stuff about it because of crybabies that think GS is the most important thing in the world. You may not fit this persona exactly, but I have seen so many people basically taking up arms against people that gamesave that MS feels they really have to do something about it instead of using those same resources to go after more important things. It isn't like it is a huge hack and it is rather simple to do and guess what... it still doesn't/shouldn't hurt you in the least.

Your reason for reporting this guy is ridiculous and I was trying to be polite about the situation before, but I am not going to keep doing so if you are going to get like this about it. I am sure you have at one point done something in a game you shouldn't have (whether it was glitch, enter cheat codes in the past, etc). Everyone makes mistakes, but meaningless ones like this shouldn't get you so upset and you should be more concerned about those people that you don't know that do far worse in multiplayer games.

Don't get me wrong either, I don't care if it is someone on my friends list or not... I report people for glitching, using modded controllers, modded consoles, etc. since they give unfair advantages. I would report my own brother (who has a 360) if he were to do such a thing, but I really don't care if anyone decides to gamesave as long as they don't enter a contest and do this trying to win.
 
[quote name='SlimJim0725']But MS does try to do stuff about it because of crybabies that think GS is the most important thing in the world. You may not fit this persona exactly, but I have seen so many people basically taking up arms against people that gamesave that MS feels they really have to do something about it instead of using those same resources to go after more important things. It isn't like it is a huge hack and it is rather simple to do and guess what... it still doesn't/shouldn't hurt you in the least.

Your reason for reporting this guy is ridiculous and I was trying to be polite about the situation before, but I am not going to keep doing so if you are going to get like this about it. I am sure you have at one point done something in a game you shouldn't have (whether it was glitch, enter cheat codes in the past, etc). Everyone makes mistakes, but meaningless ones like this shouldn't get you so upset and you should be more concerned about those people that you don't know that do far worse in multiplayer games.

Don't get me wrong either, I don't care if it is someone on my friends list or not... I report people for glitching, using modded controllers, modded consoles, etc. since they give unfair advantages. I would report my own brother (who has a 360) if he were to do such a thing, but I really don't care if anyone decides to gamesave as long as they don't enter a contest and do this trying to win.[/QUOTE]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

In all seriousness, if you ever want to play something online on Live feel free to drop me an invite. I think you were polite and appreciate that. The only reason I decided to be more assertive in my tone was because I didn't think I should have to elaborate on my personal feelings (not just to you, there were others who kept saying they didn't understand), but that was my fault for giving too much info anyway. Even though the guy isn't on my personal Trueachievements list, I see a lot of people cheating on that and that is part of why it bothers me as well.

Heck CheapyD himself had to remove people when CAG used to have a leaderboard. I can't remember who it was, but someone used StripClubDJ's hacked gamertag to be number one. In the grand scheme of things it isn't a big deal, but it annoys the hell out of me.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']We'll have to agree to disagree then.

In all seriousness, if you ever want to play something online on Live feel free to drop me an invite. I think you were polite and appreciate that. The only reason I decided to be more assertive in my tone was because I didn't think I should have to elaborate on my personal feelings (not just to you, there were others who kept saying they didn't understand), but that was my fault for giving too much info anyway. Even though the guy isn't on my personal Trueachievements list, I see a lot of people cheating on that and that is part of why it bothers me as well.

Heck CheapyD himself had to remove people when CAG used to have a leaderboard. I can't remember who it was, but someone used StripClubDJ's hacked gamertag to be number one. In the grand scheme of things it isn't a big deal, but it annoys the hell out of me.[/QUOTE]

If they are using it to get high up on leaderboards or something I can understand it, but if he did it just to do it I just didn't see the big deal in it and still don't. A lot of people get sort of OCD about achievements and end up wasting a lot of time over something pointless. I used to be that way about it myself and decided to only go for all the achievements for games I enjoy rather than forcing myself to do it in games I did not enjoy. It is what it is though and a ton more people are going to end up gamesaving now that they can use USB drives in order to do it and I am sure MS is going to crackdown on it again and do a huge reset on a future system update.
 
people who cheat, in this case gamerscores, are just cheating themselves. cheats are empty accomplishments.

talking about games and playing them is fun. recollecting how you got a particular achievement is also fun and memorable. for me, I had the hardest time trying to get the 100% parallel park in Burnout Paradise; not to mention the last junk yard discovery. so naturally, when I earned them both, I felt great and was ecstatic! I will always remember those moments.

just ask a cheat how he got those 1000/1000, 1250/1250, or 1750/1750? or a very specific achievement? yup, there's nothing behind them. no substance.

cheats = losers.
 
[quote name='life.exe']You will notice a lot more Gamerscore cheating/Gamertag hack/avatar mods/etc. since USB's can be used to do it all now.

They do actually ban/suspend for all of the above, it may take awhile but most end up getting caught.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='SlimJim0725']Quit getting your hopes up, they don't ban/suspend anyone for this. The only thing they do is reset the gamescore and change the motto (and IIRC bio) to label them a cheater. I know more than a few people that have been caught for this from back in my achievement whoring days (a lot of them would do a lot of games legit) and not a single on got the ban/suspension hammer. In fact, they were back to playing the very same day, the only thing that is really different is that they can no longer earn achievements for any of the games that they have "played."[/QUOTE]

Actually Slim, they do indeed suspend/ban people for doing the game saves/gamertag hacks/dlc hacks. A former member of CAG was banned on Xbox Live for doing the achievement stuff.

Also, it is not actual game saves. There are programs that allow you to go into your HDD/MU and open up all of the files to do this.

[I am assuming you were just referring to the Achievement part Slim when you said that people weren't banned for that kind of stuff, so I will disregard the other two things that life.exe was talking about]

Lastly, while on the topic of bans/suspensions, don't underestimate that "File Complaint" option on XBL. I got hit for 24 or 48 hours back in late December for having "shit" in my bio. The catch was that not even 24 hours prior to the suspension I was playing with a bunch of CAGs and we were kicking the living hell out of these guys on MW2. The leader of the group ended up talking shit and saying how they were all reporting me for my bio. Now, say whatever you want about it, but I am willing to bet that if you get enough flags against you in a short period of time you will get popped because I highly doubt it all happened due to chance.
 
Its like subscribing your friends to gay porno magazines right? We've all been there, OP just wants to do something a little more personal for his bud.
 
Why is everyone defending his friend? he's cheating and should be reported, anyone saying otherwise is wrong cuz i'm always right :p

But really, report him. Even if it does do nothing, i'd try anyway.
 
[quote name='mvp828']Actually Slim, they do indeed suspend/ban people for doing the game saves/gamertag hacks/dlc hacks. A former member of CAG was banned on Xbox Live for doing the achievement stuff.
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If you're talking about twen, he only had his gamerscore reset. He wasn't banned.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I don't know why a bunch of people keep saying Microsoft won't do anything. They have reset gamer scores in the past.[/QUOTE]

Because it's cool to hate Micro$oft. Angst.

PS. See what I did there? I used a dollar sign instead of an 's'. Awesome.
 
You could report him, but he'll probably just fall through the cracks. You should probably take matters into your own hands.
 
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