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Ok, I've been biting my tongue at all these recent relationship threads venting about how a guy can't get a girl or is devastated that a girl broke up w/ him and now it's starting to migrate to the blogs so I can't hold it in any longer.

Seriously, guys, and I'm talking to you ppl w/ an XY chromosome who can't get a date, why are you guys having so much trouble meeting a girl? It's really not that difficult. All the tools you're ever going to need to help you are available to you for free or a small price (be it money or time). You've also seen examples (even if they're partially staged) of these reality tv show makeovers & shit like beauty & the geek. Even if they're not completely 'reality'-based, at the very least, these shows should inspire you to make yourself a better person. It's basic shit any guy w/ half a brain should easily conceptualize. Here's a simple tried & true list of things a guy will need to do to land a girl (and the sad part is that these are all obvious shit I shouldn't even have to explain):

Work Out
Yeah, you could say it's shallow to work out to have a nice body just to get a girl. But then you've be stupid to think that's all there is to it. Think about every female celebrity that, by general guy consensus, is considered viably hot. They tend to have bodies that are in shape. Now, guys, view yourself from a hot girl's perspective. Are you doing anything that suggests you're attractive & worth going out with? If you're still eating cheetos and not exercising, then you've obviously missed the hint. In order for you to get that pretty girl, you've got to make her think you're good enough for her and if you're not funny/interesting/have money enough for her to get past your flabby gut & passing gas, it's time to hit the gym.

Don't Just Have Interesting Things To Say, BE INTERESTING
Any jerk can go online and find interesting things to say to a girl to keep her interested, but what happens after you've run out of canned shit to say? It's a far better thing to actually be interesting. How does one achieve this? Pick a hobby! Learn a new socially applicable skill! And pick a hobby you are actually interested in learning. I learned to dance initially because I wanted to be a kick ass break dancer. I took up swing, ballroom, latin, & hip hop to expand my skillz. Now I like to dance because a) I'm an attention whore at nightclubs & b) for some reason girls are attracted to guys who can dance. I have a friend who plays the piano & guitar and every time he brings a girl back to his place & busts out some Beethoven followed by John Mayer :roll:, he never fails to close. And I can't count the number of times my chef friend (not JimmieMac) closes on girls simply because he's a *gasp* guy who can cook beyond mac & cheese or cereal. Not to mention my friend who works in the welfare department for the government & still hooks up w/ girls simply because he writes poetry in his spare time & reads them at trendy hipster coffee shops/nightclubs.

Don't be an Asshole, Be Confident & Aloof
It's a mistaken notion that girls are into 'bad boys'. Well, they are, but not because bad boys are bad but rather because they don't give a shit about what other people think & do their thing. It is perfectly possible to be charming guy who can pick up the girl w/o resorting to being an asshole. The asshole method works only on the premise of sustained self-confidence. Self. Confidence. Confidence in oneself. So what if you like Naruto? Does your date need to know that on the first date? No! Do you need to know she's really into the celeb gossip rags? No! While dates are about getting to know the other person, that doesn't mean you need to spill your whole life story right there. That's the conversational equivalent of premature ejaculation. Rule of thumb: Never offer personal information unless asked and only offer information if specifically asked and even then you don't need to be too forward. Don't worry, people mistrust too much info freely given anyway. It's that whole TMI concept.

STOP PUTTING THE PUSSY ON A PEDESTAL
This is very easy. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal. Now that I've said it 3 times, maybe it might actually stick in your heads. Girls want to be treated equally. Sure there are times she wants to be treated like a princess but that's usually after you've established yourself as her boyfriend. Because even an average girl is hit on many times in a single day that when a guy who treats her as a peer & neither a cum receptacle nor a goddess on high is passing by, it's refreshing & she's actually going to be more interested in what he has to say.

Talk To People
Simple concept, right? But I'm always amazed at how few people are actually skilled in the art of conversation (and it is a skill). Any ol' fcuk can talk. But someone w/ the gift of gab can captivate any audience, especially if they're female because, let's face it guys, girls master this skill more often than guys do. And it's not necessarily about big words or talking forever either. Part of the art of conversation is knowing when to shaddap & listen.

Dates Are Job Interviews
They are. Think about it. You get dressed up for the occasion, you're nervous & want to make a good impression. You're interviewing for the position of 'Her Boyfriend'. So what does a guy on a date need to do to lock that position? Same thing a good interviewee does - ask questions & acts interested in the well-being of the company.

And finally,

Don't 'Be Yourself', Be Your BEST SELF
This whole 'be yourself' nonsense is trite advice. And when people say this, they don't even know what they're saying. It should be 'Be your BEST self'. What's the difference? If it's in your personality to bust out a fart joke to your buddies, that's you right? But when grandma comes around, you're on your best behavior, but that's still you right? You didn't magically change nor do you have multiple personalities. You simply adapted your personality to suit the situation. People don't realize they do this ALL THE TIME. You don't act the same around the wife, the boss, the kids, the extended family, & the friends simply because they're all different situations that require different appropriate social responses. Same w/ getting a girl. Once a girl is already dating you, you'll have enough opportunities to tell a fart joke or pass gas.


These are all skills that anyone can learn. So it frustrates me when I hear guys bitch about how they can never find a girl or lost a girl. In the case of never finding a girl, I've already outlined all you need to know. In the case of losing a girl, as the cliche goes, there's other fish in the sea. Here's a corrollary to not putting pussy on a pedestal - NOBODY, GUY OR GIRL, IS SPECIAL. For every hot girl a guy will see on the street, there are at least 3 guys who've already dated her & know she's full of shit. It isn't impossible to find a girl who is potentially compatible w/ a guy. Hell, even rapists & murderers get offers a lot of times. So it isn't impossible for the average joe. All it takes is some goddamn effort.:bomb::headache:#-o:roll:
 
Nice guide. Now for people to get past the initial stage of "that's too fucking hard".

Seriously guys, all it took for me to get Crimson in my life was 2 hours of interesting conversation (over 2-3 days), the balls to ask her "What are you doing Saturday night?", and an interesting first date (we saw a play on campus, got ice cream, and walked on the beach as a double date with two of her friends).

2 Years, 3 Months later, it was easily the best decision I've ever made and honestly, not a whole lot of upkeep (You'd be surprised how easy it is to order Valentine's Day flowers 3 weeks in advance is, and how much it matters on the day itself).

~HotShotX
 
Jaykrue, that's the best-explained relationship advice I've seen anyone explain on here, and I completely agree with it!

What I take from what you're saying (and what everyone should take from it) is; have some confidence in yourself, for God's Sake!
 
[quote name='lilboo']Some people just don't have the social skills for dating.
It's sad, but true.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree, some people might not have the social skills for good dating, but I've met people who are so socially inept it's almost dangerous for them to be in the outside world, yet they still get dates.

I'm talking about people who make some of the more "exceptional" posters here on CAG look very normal.

The OP has a lot of good ideas, confidence is a big part of it.
 
[quote name='guinaevere']Aloof? No. It may work for Sasuke, but not in real life.[/quote]


Being aloof seems to work better if you have a six-figure income.
 
[quote name='fart_bubble']I only hope for The_Don (I think that was his name) to return[/quote]


Didn't the don get banned for being mentally hilarious?
 
[quote name='Paco']Didn't the don get banned for being mentally hilarious?[/QUOTE]

I don't think he got banned but just ragged on till he stopped posting.

edit: guess not as he isn't on the member list
 
[quote name='Paco']How the fuck do you live down "I love this girl so much that I stopped masturbating"?[/QUOTE]

fuck if I know but that was awesome.....fuck this board has always had great relationship threads that are so sad but fucking hilarious.
 
That topic that the don made, made me feel like I was in the cheers bar. So timeless yet so hilarious. It was like a mix of the new and the old. It united many CAGs to point and laugh at something united.
 
What if you're really ugly?

Lower standards? Mine are pretty low, and I've been taking up guitar for a while so maybe I can use that as a platform.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']What if you're really ugly?

Lower standards? Mine are pretty low, and I've been taking up guitar for a while so maybe I can use that as a platform.[/QUOTE]

Date blind girls/guys.

Also if you play guitar make sure you speak softly and most importantly grow a pony tail so you don't just appear musically inclined, but sensitive.
 
[quote name='TC']Date blind girls/guys.

Also if you play guitar make sure you speak softly and most importantly grow a pony tail so you don't just appear musically inclined, but sensitive.[/quote]

But blind people are kinda rare. And why would I need the pony tail for blind people?
 
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[quote name='GTzerO']What if you're really ugly?

Lower standards? Mine are pretty low, and I've been taking up guitar for a while so maybe I can use that as a platform.[/quote]

How ugly are you talking here? Are you talking Brian Peppers ugly or are you simply being too harsh on yourself when you look in the mirror? If it's Brian Peppers ugly (which is an unfortunate genetic condition), then I admit there's not much I can help you with except for the post before that mentioned dating a blind chick and having a phenomenally interesting personality. Otherwise, almost anything is workable. A flabby gut can be fixed. In certain limited instances, faces can be fixed.

Standards shouldn't be low but they shouldn't be too high either. If anything, your standards should be a sliding scale depending on your options in your particular environment.

[quote name='GuilewasNK']Being aloof seems to work better if you have a six-figure income.[/quote]

Yeah, but you could say that about any personality trait. :lol:

[quote name='shrike4242']Damn, I'm surprised it took you this long to toss this out there. :rofl:

The Prof of Pimpology speaks, people better listen. :applause:[/quote]

I was just getting frustrated at all these guys emoing over their situations. :razz:

[quote name='guinaevere']Aloof? No. It may work for Sasuke, but not in real life.[/quote]

Yes and no. If we're talking the long game, then yes, being aloof doesn't work. Who wants to be in a relationship w/ an evasive dickhole. But on the first few dates? It totally works. It keeps the girl on her toes because she doesn't know what to think about the guy; it makes him appear mysterious. A thousand questions are ruminating through her mind to figure what this guy's deal is. It works because neither party knows anything about the other and they're in an arms race to see who can find out the most info about the other person and that's part of the fun - getting to know the other person.

[quote name='lilboo']Some people just don't have the social skills for dating.
It's sad, but true.[/quote]

Even if they don't, such skills are completely learnable. The most inept dork can learn how to interact simply by doing the things I outlined in the OP.

[quote name='lordwow']"nobody is special"

that's a bit harsh.[/quote]

Yeah, but it's also true. Guys who have this mistaken notion that they're special tend to also have the biggest egos and lack humility. Then they go out and hit on some girl (but lacking the appropriate skills to do so) and are incredulous or throw a tantrum when they get shot down time after time. It's because they think what they're doing is working for them but they lack the sense to adapt. Part of being confident is learning humility and knowing your personal limits and trying to find ways to overcome them. Still doesn't make anyone who is confident any more special but this self-realization allows them to approach people from a pragmatic perspective and react in a more practical way.
 
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[quote name='tehweezner']most people know all this in theory. getting off your duff and actually doing what is suggested is what's important.[/quote]

See, I used to think that too but I've come to the realization that most people don't know this. Just using GTzerO as an example (hope you don't mind man), he's asking questions about perceived self-appearance & setting standards. To me, it suggests that what a lot of guys believe is that they need to be Brad Pitt or Donald Trump (handsome, famous or rich) to get a girl. Yeah, it definitely helps but what they've got to understand is that the rich & famously beautiful probably make up 10% of the population (and yeah, I know anyone can make up stats but hear me out). But you've got a huge portion of the remainder that are reproducing so they're obviously doing something since they're not part of the lucky 10%. Otherwise, I wouldn't have needed to post anything nor would there have been any relationship threads.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']How ugly are you talking here? Are you talking Brian Peppers ugly or are you simply being too harsh on yourself when you look in the mirror? If it's Brian Peppers ugly (which is an unfortunate genetic condition), then I admit there's not much I can help you with except for the post before that mentioned dating a blind chick and having a phenomenally interesting personality. Otherwise, almost anything is workable. A flabby gut can be fixed. In certain limited instances, faces can be fixed.

Standards shouldn't be low but they shouldn't be too high either. If anything, your standards should be a sliding scale depending on your options in your particular environment.

[/quote]

That. Not Brian Peppers, but I just don't think I look right.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']That. Not Brian Peppers, but I just don't think I look right.[/quote]

It still depends. Is your genetic condition physically distorting your body? Are you talking about genetically predisposed obesity? Or do you just have a predisposition to get zits when you eat oily foods?

I myself have an asymmetrical face, my left eye is lazy, one of my ears is about 1 cm lower than the other, and my right leg is slightly longer than my left. To solve these problems, I often talk to strange people I want to socialize w/ from an angle so they don't see the asymmetry; I arch my right eyebrow so it looks like I'm intrigued by something even though it's to work my lazy eye; I rarely ever wear glasses (thanks to contacts) so my ears aren't as noticeable when the glasses slant and, when standing, I tend to lean back against a wall so my longer leg can stretch and, when sitting, I stretch my legs out like I own the place.

But even w/ my flaws, I can still go out and charm a girl.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']See, I used to think that too but I've come to the realization that most people don't know this. Just using GTzerO as an example (hope you don't mind man), he's asking questions about perceived self-appearance & setting standards. To me, it suggests that what a lot of guys believe is that they need to be Brad Pitt or Donald Trump (handsome, famous or rich) to get a girl. Yeah, it definitely helps but what they've got to understand is that the rich & famously beautiful probably make up 10% of the population (and yeah, I know anyone can make up stats but hear me out). But you've got a huge portion of the remainder that are reproducing so they're obviously doing something since they're not part of the lucky 10%. Otherwise, I wouldn't have needed to post anything nor would there have been any relationship threads.[/quote]

there are indeed some that are completely oblivious to what women are attracted to, but i think a majority are simply reluctant or scared to alter their behavior or change themselves. having the knowledge is the first step for sure though.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']It still depends. Is your genetic condition physically distorting your body? Are you talking about genetically predisposed obesity? Or do you just have a predisposition to get zits when you eat oily foods?

.[/quote]

Actually I'm referring to albinism, which I know isn't as bad as a lot of other diseases and it could've been worse. I also have terrible acne, which i have no clue if it's related to my sensitive skin or not. I don't know, I look in the mirror and don't see myself as looking so bad, then I go out and get various looks from people. I've lost 81 pounds so far but I'm still pretty overweight and I'm working on that.

I'm thinking or growing out dreads and shit, because that's really the only thing I can do with my hair. It just looks stupid and when I get it cut I look like a cancer patient.
 
Good read OP.

As for being fugly, I'd also suggest using the interwebbz to look for a "soul mate". The sad part is you'll have to be truthful and expect the same in return to get what you want. It worked for me anyways, I can't wait to celebrate my next anniversary.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Good read OP.

As for being fugly, I'd also suggest using the interwebbz to look for a "soul mate". The sad part is you'll have to be truthful and expect the same in return to get what you want. It worked for me anyways, I can't wait to celebrate my next anniversary.[/quote]

This is what those who are having trouble should try. There are so many sites to choose from. If something doesn't work out. Who cares?
 
I don't want the type of girls that fall for this salesmanship shit, anyways.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']What makes jaykrue qualified enough to appoint himself Professor of Pimpology?[/quote]

None. What makes you qualified enough to appoint yourself futuristic genitalia?

[quote name='Brak']I don't want the type of girls that fall for this salesmanship shit, anyways.[/quote]

Oh, c'mon. Every time any guy's tried to get a girl, he is essentially advertising his qualifications to be her boyfriend. Some girls are an easy sell while others are tough nuts to crack. If that isn't salesmanship, then I don't know what is.

[quote name='The Mana Knight']Hey jaykrue, maybe I need to come to Chicago (I believe that's where you are) to meet up with you sometime. You're such an awesome helper. :D[/quote]

Sure, but only after you've already already you've got a gf & gotten your life together. I don't have time to mentor any single person. Besides, just do what I outlined & pm'd you and you should be fine. And don't expect quick success. Like anything worth doing, it takes time & effort.

[quote name='GTzerO']Actually I'm referring to albinism, which I know isn't as bad as a lot of other diseases and it could've been worse. I also have terrible acne, which i have no clue if it's related to my sensitive skin or not. I don't know, I look in the mirror and don't see myself as looking so bad, then I go out and get various looks from people. I've lost 81 pounds so far but I'm still pretty overweight and I'm working on that.

I'm thinking or growing out dreads and shit, because that's really the only thing I can do with my hair. It just looks stupid and when I get it cut I look like a cancer patient.[/quote]

Well, it depends really. What ethnicity are you? I knew a guy in college who was ethnically african-american but he was white as mountain snow. But he pulled chicks anyway. I think part of the reason is that he was a big diesel looking mofo w/ tats all over his body & big broad swimmer's shoulders & abs. Girls were gushing over him all the time. Admittedly, I was a bit prejudiced as I couldn't believe this supposed black guy w/ white skin was getting girls despite his condition. And once I got to know him, I also realized it was how he carried himself. I asked him 'wouldn't the tats be difficult to get because of his skin condition?' He told me, 'yeah it was but I did it to prove to myself that I can do anything'. Also because of his albinism, he always wore a hat, usually a wide brimmed cowboy or Kangol and wore blue contacts to hide his reddish/pinkish eyes. It was a real eye-opener and what made me realize that anyone, w/ a lil bit of work, can pick-up.
 
That's good advice, for the most part, but just remember girls can see through a lot of that BS. I have had my fair share of guys offer to cook, play music, or write poetry. It's really obvious what they are doing, and it's a but cliche. That's not to say it wont still work on a lot of girls. It worked on me when I first started dating, but it lacks imagination.
Don't worry about being aloof, or mysterious. Again, it works sometimes, but it's hard to do right.. and most of the time it looks like you're trying too hard, or you just come off like a jerk.
Just be yourself. Take a little pride in how you look. Have your own things going outside of school or work, don't completely obsess over getting dates and things will fall into place.
Oh! ..and don't be afraid of the 'friend zone'. The best boyfriends I have ever had started out as really good friends.
 
[quote name='Brak']I don't want the type of girls that fall for this salesmanship shit, anyways.[/quote]

Brak is right. I wholeheartedly agree.
 
[quote name='squid']That's good advice, for the most part, but just remember girls can see through a lot of that BS. I have had my fair share of guys offer to cook, play music, or write poetry. It's really obvious what they are doing, and it's a but cliche. That's not to say it wont still work on a lot of girls. It worked on me when I first started dating, but it lacks imagination.[/QUOTE]

Well, it doesn't matter if it lacks imagination. :lol: No need to get fancy. All that matters is that it works. You yourself admit as much. And if you really like a guy anyway, the cliched moves will amuse you despite his childish efforts.;)

Don't worry about being aloof, or mysterious. Again, it works sometimes, but it's hard to do right.. and most of the time it looks like you're trying too hard, or you just come off like a jerk.

It is hard to do right but, just like any skill, can be learned from trial & error. If the guy comes off looking like a jerk is only because he's actively trying too hard. Far better to work smarter & adapt than work harder and hit the same wall. The stuff I outlined is just a general guideline as to what will generally work. It doesn't guarantee 100% because if it did, you can bet I'd have that shit patented and sold for a premium. But it does work a majority of the time. :cool:

Just be yourself. Take a little pride in how you look. Have your own things going outside of school or work, don't completely obsess over getting dates and things will fall into place.

I already said all these things in my OP and elaborated on it. :lol:

Oh! ..and don't be afraid of the 'friend zone'. The best boyfriends I have ever had started out as really good friends.

While I've got nothing against hooking up w/ friends, there's an extra layer that must be handled w/ care. To summarize, "Don't shit where you eat." If I'm friends w/ a girl, I'd rather not date her as I don't want to ruin the friendship. I am, however, not opposed to using her as a middleman, er, woman to dating her friends. And I'm also perfectly fine being used as a means for her to date my friends.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']

Well, it depends really. What ethnicity are you? I knew a guy in college who was ethnically african-american but he was white as mountain snow. But he pulled chicks anyway. I think part of the reason is that he was a big diesel looking mofo w/ tats all over his body & big broad swimmer's shoulders & abs. Girls were gushing over him all the time. Admittedly, I was a bit prejudiced as I couldn't believe this supposed black guy w/ white skin was getting girls despite his condition. And once I got to know him, I also realized it was how he carried himself. I asked him 'wouldn't the tats be difficult to get because of his skin condition?' He told me, 'yeah it was but I did it to prove to myself that I can do anything'. Also because of his albinism, he always wore a hat, usually a wide brimmed cowboy or Kangol and wore blue contacts to hide his reddish/pinkish eyes. It was a real eye-opener and what made me realize that anyone, w/ a lil bit of work, can pick-up.[/quote]

I'm black, err, african american. Real inspirational story.....I'm more of a cap kinda guy, though .:p
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I'm black, err, african american. Real inspirational story.....I'm more of a cap kinda guy, though .:p[/quote]

Well, whatever works for you man. Play it up and emphasize your best traits & minimize your worst. Thats what it essentially boils down to.
 
[quote name='squid']That's good advice, for the most part, but just remember girls can see through a lot of that BS. I have had my fair share of guys offer to cook, play music, or write poetry. It's really obvious what they are doing, and it's a but cliche. That's not to say it wont still work on a lot of girls. It worked on me when I first started dating, but it lacks imagination.
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I may be wrong, but it seems to me as if you honestly think that a man would spend years honing his craft just to please women. Maybe this just comes from my fear of a woman who'd see some of the shit I do and automatically think " he's just trying to impress me", but it sounds really conceited to me to think that.

And about not fearing the friend zone, did that friend ever ask you out where you turned him down? That is the friend zone. When you ask someone out and they say that they just want to be friends, yet you've given them so much attention that you can't pull away so easily. The reason that someone would fear the friend zone is that it's an absurd waste of time. If you all were good friends and you accepted then there was no friend zone.
 
[quote name='Greetard']Clearly this ain't just a nightclub shtick.[/quote]

At least your title is appropriate. Ignore'd.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']At least your title is appropriate.[/quote]
That makes one of us.
 
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Can albinos get tans, or do they not have any pigment in their skin? (Serious question here.)

Anyway, I'm not super handsome, but I manage to get quite a few chicks that like me. (I haven't had many girlfriends, as I was never as 'skilled' as I am now.) Most importantly, be yourself. Girls take interest in your personality, whether you think so or not. Looks really aren't everything. And if you be yourself, and a girl doesn't like you, fuck her. You want a girl that likes you for what you are, not what you can pretend to be. Nobody is too ugly to find love. (Yes, even Brian Peppers.)
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I may be wrong, but it seems to me as if you honestly think that a man would spend years honing his craft just to please women. Maybe this just comes from my fear of a woman who'd see some of the shit I do and automatically think " he's just trying to impress me", but it sounds really conceited to me to think that.

And about not fearing the friend zone, did that friend ever ask you out where you turned him down? That is the friend zone. When you ask someone out and they say that they just want to be friends, yet you've given them so much attention that you can't pull away so easily. The reason that someone would fear the friend zone is that it's an absurd waste of time. If you all were good friends and you accepted then there was no friend zone.[/quote]

Ah you know, you bring up a good point. Maybe that does come off sounding a bit conceited, but I've dated the chefs/poets/musicians. Maybe it's a string of bad luck between me and my girlfriends, but their talents are put on a little thick in the beginning.. and fade reasonably fast once you're in a comfortable relationship. Girls do the same thing, don't think it's limited to guys. We have our sure fire ways to win over guys we like. It's lame on both accounts, and it's tricky. Just make sure what you are laying out before her is really who you are, and you're not doing it because that's what you think girls like.

Is the friend zone isn't all that complicated. It's not a waste of time if you have a good friend in your life, is it? I guess I don't see it from a guys side, but I have seen persistence pay off big time. I turned down my boyfriend several times before things finally clicked. Maybe we're an exception, but sometimes the timing is just off, or she has a lot going on in her life and isn't ready for it. If you really are into a girl, I wouldn't give up so easy.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Can albinos get tans, or do they not have any pigment in their skin? (Serious question here.)

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Not naturally. We just burn.
 
[quote name='squid']

Is the friend zone isn't all that complicated. It's not a waste of time if you have a good friend in your life, is it? I guess I don't see it from a guys side, but I have seen persistence pay off big time. I turned down my boyfriend several times before things finally clicked. Maybe we're an exception, but sometimes the timing is just off, or she has a lot going on in her life and isn't ready for it. If you really are into a girl, I wouldn't give up so easy.[/quote]
It is a waste of time if your original motive was to get in a relationship.

[quote name='Access_Denied']Can albinos get tans, or do they not have any pigment in their skin? (Serious question here.)

[/quote]

Not naturally. We just burn.
 
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