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[quote name='daroga']Burnout Paradise > GTA4 for just driving around goofing off. If you want good voice acting, horrible shooting mechanics, and a mostly pointless story, GTA4 is the better choice.

I never played the demo for uncharted, but the retail release has guys bleeding pretty well... and lots of them.[/quote]

Being that burnout is a driving game, i would think pointless driving around would be good in it. GTA4's shooting mechanics were fine. The driving was a bit of a bitch to get the hang of, but once you did, it was manageable. And it has more story than burnout, so it wins there by default. ;) Plus you can't run down hapless pedestrians in a firetruck in burnout. :p
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Munch said Wallyworld leaked street date. [/quote]Those idiots. :roll: Dont tell me every Wally is selling early?
 
[quote name='guinaevere']Those idiots. :roll: Dont tell me every Wally is selling early?[/quote]

probably not. But it's out tuesday or something, isn't it?

personally, i couldn't care less. first game was garbage. second game looks like the first with online coop and a slight facelift. you do the math.

mercenaries has the pleasure of being the only game in the past 10 or so years that I bought, ON CLEARANCE FOR $15 OR LESS, that I tired of in about 20 minutes and promptly sold.
 
[quote name='daroga']Burnout Paradise > GTA4 for just driving around goofing off.[/QUOTE]

I didn't like Burnout for that reason....I don't like sandbox gameplay of just wandering around and goofing off.

I've only stuck with GTAIV this long as it's possible to ignore all that and just stick to the missions, which was less painful after the tip from Zewone a few GGT's back to use the taxis to get to places instantly.

I like my games very linear and story driven, so sandbox games just don't do much for me. But the problem with GTA is that the story has really stalled out and the missions have gotten so damn repetitive.
 
Hey folks, I'm looking to return a used game I bought at GS yesterday.

Do they usually give you some sheet about returning games or do they just accept it.

Obviously I'm well within the 7 days (more like 24 hours).
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Hey folks, I'm looking to return a used game I bought at GS yesterday.

Do they usually give you some sheet about returning games or do they just accept it.

Obviously I'm well within the 7 days (more like 24 hours).[/quote]


Nope, just say your system wouldn't read the disc/cartridge
 
I hope I don't find anywhere that's selling Mercs 2 early since I have most of it paid off at GS with credit, but would still be tempted to buy it wherever I found it.


So...as far as Mercs 2 goes, the release date is a Sunday, so does that mean it will actually be for sale on Sunday?
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Hey folks, I'm looking to return a used game I bought at GS yesterday.

Do they usually give you some sheet about returning games or do they just accept it.

Obviously I'm well within the 7 days (more like 24 hours).[/quote]With your receipt, there's no problem at all. Just say you need to return it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I didn't like Burnout for that reason....I don't like sandbox gameplay of just wandering around and goofing off.

I've only stuck with GTAIV this long as it's possible to ignore all that and just stick to the missions, which was less painful after the tip from Zewone a few GGT's back to use the taxis to get to places instantly.

I like my games very linear and story driven, so sandbox games just don't do much for me. But the problem with GTA is that the story has really stalled out and the missions have gotten so damn repetitive.[/quote]

Hell yes. I wanted my "Liberty City Minute" cheesecake, so I followed his initial comment in one of the OTTs about paying the money to take cabs and skip the rides.
 
[quote name='manthing']Nope, just say your system wouldn't read the disc/cartridge[/QUOTE]

Or he could just say he didn't like the game. That's what I do since 90% of the time when I buy a used game from GS they tell me I have 7 days to return it if I don't like it.
 
[quote name='whoknows']So...as far as Mercs 2 goes, the release date is a Sunday, so does that mean it will actually be for sale on Sunday?[/quote]It will be for sale on Sunday.

[quote name='whoknows']Or he could just say he didn't like the game. That's what I do since 90% of the time when I buy a used game from GS they tell me I have 7 days to return it if I don't like it.[/quote]Yup. The return policy is pretty clear. You have seven days to return a used game if you're unsatisfied with it for any reason.
 
Great, thanks folks.

I'm going to try and get passed the ever so annoying GDI mission 9 tonight in C&C3, that is if I don't get hooked into Castle Crashers.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I hope I don't find anywhere that's selling Mercs 2 early since I have most of it paid off at GS with credit, but would still be tempted to buy it wherever I found it.


So...as far as Mercs 2 goes, the release date is a Sunday, so does that mean it will actually be for sale on Sunday?[/quote]


Well, damn near all stores will have it 'in the back' by today/tomorrow to be available on that release date.

It's just luck if you can find a store willing to sell it. Some stores are blocked from selling it by the POS systems
 
Almost all stores get their product at least a day or two ahead of street date. Legally, they're not permitted to sell until said date.
 
[quote name='guinaevere']Almost all stores get their product at least a day or two ahead of street date. Legally, they're not permitted to sell until said date.[/quote]


I'm pretty sure it's not a LEGAL thing, more like the supplier will sanction retailers that sell prior to the street date, like less supplies of another big game...
 
[quote name='manthing']Well, damn near all stores will have it 'in the back' by today/tomorrow to be available on that release date.

It's just luck if you can find a store willing to sell it. Some stores are blocked from selling it by the POS systems[/quote]

I had this happen at a target, on street date, and ended up going over to wallyworld. They sold it to me!

Any walmart that has someone dumb enough to put it out in the case before street date probably has someone dumb enough to sell it before street date. :)
 
[quote name='manthing']I'm pretty sure it's not a LEGAL thing, more like the supplier will sanction retailers that sell prior to the street date, like less supplies of another big game...[/quote]

It's not legal. You're right.

You just get a massive fine if you're the one confirmed to have broken street date.

Like when a major CD is coming out but people have it early. If one chain starts selling early, technically, everyone can, since the street date was already broken -- the store that is paying the fine isn't going to stop... and how much business would the rest of the stores who obeyed lose if they didn't start, right?

I'm pretty sure it happens the same way with video games.
 
If a store breaks street date on big releases, then it results in future blackballings for other big releases from said developer/company.
 
[quote name='SL4IN']If a store breaks street date on big releases, then it results in future blackballings for other big releases from said developer/company.[/QUOTE]

That's my understanding. That store will get big games after release, not get free promotional material etc.

I don't see where there would be grounds for fines as its not a legal issue.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']I had this happen at a target, on street date, and ended up going over to wallyworld. They sold it to me!

Any walmart that has someone dumb enough to put it out in the case before street date probably has someone dumb enough to sell it before street date. :)[/quote]
The guys at Walmart were too dumb to figure out how to break the street date with Professor Layton. I was happy to see it sitting in the case a couple days early, but the register blocked the sale.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's my understanding. That store will get big games after release, not get free promotional material etc.

I don't see where there would be grounds for fines as its not a legal issue.[/quote]

Street date is a contract of sorts. Break the contract, the "penalty" can be a range of things.

[quote name='wikipedia']
Retail outlets can be severely punished by manufacturers for releasing a product even a day before the street date. If a retailer breaches the contract establishing a street date, the manufacturer may impose fines, may withdraw privileges to distribute future products from that manufacturer, and may file a lawsuit to enforce the contract. However, there is no documentation of a retail chain or store being fined or any action taken against them.[/quote]

While their article doesn't document anything, I'm pretty sure whichever outlet (FYE, maybe) broke the street date for The Eminem Show back in 2002 was fined. Not like there was any other sort of penalty other than a fine that would make sense... and FYE probably figured by the time other retailers figured out street date was broken, they'd have stolen a large enough portion of the business to cover the fine (if any WAS levied) and then some. :)
 
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[quote name='corrosivefrost']Street date is a contract of sorts. Break the contract, the "penalty" can be a range of things.
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I could see it I guess if the store signed a physical contract which stated a monetary penalty for breaking street date. Then it is a legal issue.

I just can't imagine that's the case most of the time. A verbal agreement is not enough to get a monetary penalty held up on court. So in reality it seems the most they could do is withhold future shipments etc. to punish the stores in cases where there is no signed contract.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I could see it I guess if the store signed a physical contract which stated a monetary penalty for breaking street date. Then it is a legal issue.

I just can't imagine that's the case most of the time. A verbal agreement is not enough to get a monetary penalty held up on court. So in reality it seems the most they could do is withhold future shipments etc. to punish the stores in cases where there is no signed contract.[/quote]

Depending on the state, "a verbal agreement" constitutes a legal contract (NY for example, I believe).
Suing for breach of contract could be considered a "fine".
I'm just saying. :)
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I wish I was home playing CC... Instead I'll be playing "Driveway Crack Patcher 2008". :\
 
whut up GGT. Last night I did a little Castle Crashing followed by more Madden franchise mode. kind of glad the Rush DLC for RB was delayed as now I don't have the points for it. :/

Amazon has my ToV LE as "shipping soon"...but I won't get until at least next week. Gives me time to pew pew pew in Mercs2!!
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Depending on the state, "a verbal agreement" constitutes a legal contract (NY for example, I believe).
Suing for breach of contract could be considered a "fine".
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I was more saying it's impossible to prove in court, so I don't see how the fine could be imposed.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I was more saying it's impossible to prove in court, so I don't see how the fine could be imposed.[/QUOTE]

There are ways.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']There are ways.[/quote]

I tried a google search out of curiousity... the most reputable thing I could find was an article on 1up saying that it was unknown (at the time of writing) whether or not 2k would go after TRU for fines and such for breaking the street date on bioshock.

There was some "comments" in a digg article about some Best Buy stores breaking street date on super mario galaxy but those don't have the credibility.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I was more saying it's impossible to prove in court, so I don't see how the fine could be imposed.[/QUOTE]
How is it impossible to prove? Couldn't they just check the store's transactions?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']How is it impossible to prove? Couldn't they just check the store's transactions?[/QUOTE]

I meant that they can't prove that they had a verbal agreement not to sell before that date or be subject to a set fine.

Vs. having a signed paper contract. Of course they can prove they broke date. They just have no legal grounds that will hold up in court to fine the store unless there's a signed contract. That's why the punishment is usually just not sending future games early, not giving the store promotional material etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I meant that they can't prove that they had a verbal agreement not to sell before that date or be subject to a set fine.

Vs. having a signed paper contract. Of course they can prove they broke date. They just have no legal grounds that will hold up in court to fine the store unless there's a signed contract. That's why the punishment is usually just not sending future games early, not giving the store promotional material etc.[/QUOTE]
Gotcha.

Wasn't there an issue with Target and selling DS Lite's early?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Gotcha.

Wasn't there an issue with Target and selling DS Lite's early?[/QUOTE]

There was. But I don't think there to fines. Nintendo just reduced shipments to them for a while. That's really the only power companies have. Not many stores are going to enter into contracts where they get fined for doing something that annoys a supplier.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I meant that they can't prove that they had a verbal agreement not to sell before that date or be subject to a set fine.

Vs. having a signed paper contract. Of course they can prove they broke date. They just have no legal grounds that will hold up in court to fine the store unless there's a signed contract. That's why the punishment is usually just not sending future games early, not giving the store promotional material etc.[/quote]

I'm sure that it's not just two people making a shady backroom deal where there are no witnesses when/if a verbal agreement is made. I'm not in charge of ordering stock for a company, but I'm guessing when a retailer places an order there very well could be the equivalent of a EULA or a terms and conditions deal they must accept... some type of purchase order... something. And if that something exists? There's the "signed" paper contract.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I meant that they can't prove that they had a verbal agreement not to sell before that date or be subject to a set fine.

Vs. having a signed paper contract. Of course they can prove they broke date. They just have no legal grounds that will hold up in court to fine the store unless there's a signed contract. That's why the punishment is usually just not sending future games early, not giving the store promotional material etc.[/QUOTE]

Well, they can argue that there was a verbal contract based on the other stuff that was done... like they can outline the elements of the verbal contract and the store has to acknowledge that yes, they took those steps, which shows the court that there's a contract in place. But with the street dates, they would've inevitably had some sort of prior agreement where they explicitly said street dates are not to be broken, or there'll be some sort of fine, so it's likely assumed that that's part of the terms of the current contract that was broken.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']And if that something exists? There's the "signed" paper contract.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case, then it's more than a verbal agreement.

But from my experience in retail, and from talking to people who work instores, they don't get fined for breaking dates. They just get products and promotional material withheld.

I'm sure there have been cases of fines, but it's far from the norm.

Particularly in small towns where not many places carry games, they can't afford to piss off the stores too much. In my parent's home town the Wal-mart is the sole store that sells video games.
 
Castle Crashers is so much fun. I was up until the wee hours last night playing it alone. I hope it gets patched. It is fun, but I want to play with a buddy.
 
CC was fairly fun, but I can't bring myself to spend $15 on it as I'm just not a big fan of beat 'em ups.

I'm thinking of cracking and dropping the $15 on the also overpriced Braid though as I liked that demo a lot and it seems more up my alley.
 
the insane mode in castle crackers is pretty crazy. I don't imagine it being possible without a group of 3-4. I couldn't even make it past the first boss by myself, guess I could level up more.....
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']CC was fairly fun, but I can't bring myself to spend $15 on it as I'm just not a big fan of beat 'em ups.

I'm thinking of cracking and dropping the $15 on the also overpriced Braid though as I liked that demo a lot and it seems more up my alley.[/quote]

I'm loving CC. $15 seems like a fair price for it if they hurry up and get the net code patched.

Braid on the other hand... that one is grossly overpriced.
 
So I just got a painting from Kotaku. Came in a giant box. I think it's called Log jam.

No memory of entering a contest for it, anyone know what's up?
 
The guy from treyarch that bought my Super Mario All Stars on Amazon got all upset because I made a thread about it on NeoGAF. What a baby.

POW! HaHa!

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08wBVwT088&NR=1[/MEDIA]
 
Apparently it was the grand prize for the E3 contests they had. I just talked to Mike Fahey and he said it may have been sent to me by mistake. He's calling Crecente.

Crazy.
 
[quote name='DarthPuma']So I just got a painting from Kotaku. Came in a giant box. I think it's called Log jam.

No memory of entering a contest for it, anyone know what's up?[/quote]

Sounds like a Jackie Treehorn painting.
 
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