Why do we tolerate Microsoft's Red Ring??

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Check out ladies and gentleman, the red ring is like second nature to xbox 360 owners by now, but I just realized how f up it is to finally get one during the worst time possible. I had 3 HD-DVD movies ready to watch from a Blockbuster 4 week online free trial, and bamm it hit me.. I had some community tournaments to attend to, but now...bamm it's over..I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think I can tolerate this crap from Microsoft. Why do we tolerate this??? What is your opinion? Why should I keep using something that will die prematurely?

To ease my pain, I created this short video.. What else can I do with the dead box?..

http://tqcast.com/index.php?post_id=311969
 
don't tolerate it if it is that big of a problem to you. I have had 2 die and it was a major pain in the ass but then again I don't partake in tournament or any of that and I have a ps3 to fall back to play.

Also I went thru more ps2, then I have 360's. It is something gamers have had to deal with. Between blowing into cartridges and the nes, to playing the ps1 upside down, to the dre on the ps2.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']don't tolerate it if it is that big of a problem to you. I have had 2 die and it was a major pain in the ass but then again I don't partake in tournament or any of that and I have a ps3 to fall back to play.

Also I went thru more ps2, then I have 360's. It is something gamers have had to deal with. Between blowing into cartridges and the nes, to playing the ps1 upside down, to the dre on the ps2.[/quote]

I remember blowing into cartidges on nes,but never had a problem with ps1 or ps2. I had a problem with regular xbox it would freeze all the time. I really think the guy posted this to plug his video
 
Hahahahahahaha!! Beer?? That was good!! Sorry bout your system, and I feel what you are saying. I think Live and the games are of course a big reason people tolerate it, but sometimes enough is enough. I bought a PS3 at launch and it feels good to not worry about the stability of the system.

Great video!
 
we tolerate it because the drm issues wont let us switch we are actually tied down to microsoft untill they sell us to sony or nintendo.thats why.
 
People tolerate it because of X-box Live and they think it has the best exclusives for their gaming interests.

MS is lucky Sony messed up the PS3 launching a year later and at $600. If the PS3 had came out the same time and at the same price, the RROD would have doomed MS.
 
What would you do sue them? There's really not much you can do other than tolerate it. You can't look at 360 owners as a whole. We can't just team up and fight them.
 
[quote name='Littlefields']What would you do sue them? There's really not much you can do other than tolerate it. You can't look at 360 owners as a whole. We can't just team up and fight them.[/QUOTE]

class action law suit sir
 
[quote name='Thomas96']class action law suit sir[/quote]
Sue them for what exactly? Anything you name won't hold up on court or you'll just lose horribly. :roll:
 
I tolerate it cos I dont play hardware, I play games. And when Microsofts hardware does work, the games for it are great.

I have well designed consoles that dont break down, that are currently collecting dust cos theres nothing I want to play on them.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']I tolerate it cos I dont play hardware, I play games. And when Microsofts hardware does work, the games for it are great.

I have well designed consoles that dont break down, that are currently collecting dust cos theres nothing I want to play on them.[/quote]


QFT!!!!


go buy a wii or a ps3 if you're so fed up.
 
Why do we tolerate Microsoft's red ring? Because the 360 is the console provides the best gaming experience today. It doesn't matter if the hardware is well built if it just sits while gathering dust because it doesn't have the games worth playing.
 
It's a great console with lots of good games and an excellent online service. Also, I've found Microsoft's customer service to be pretty good (I haven't had a console break, but my father has).
 
It's a piece of technology and I can understand how it breaks. You buy a $100,000 Ferrari and it will break down eventually. I enjoy Xbox games and I enjoy being able to play with my family and friends over Xbox Live.
 
We tolerare because as far as I know, MS is pretty good with the customer service when it comes to that. Shit happens, and they fix it.
 
[quote name='Littlefields']Sue them for what exactly? Anything you name won't hold up on court or you'll just lose horribly. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Count I

Suing them on the basis that they failed to quality test the Xbox 360.


Count II

Due to Microsoft's negligence, consumers were unable to utilize pre paid subscriptions to Xbox Live,

Count III

Improper design of the Xbox 360, resulted in the console malfunctioning due to improper cooling which in turn increased the risk towards consumers as a fire hazard.

Count IV

As a result of Miscrosofts Negligance, Consumers were denied access to digital content that was purchased for use with the Xbox 360 console.

Count V
Microsoft violated the terms of their warranty and its extention.



I'm not a lawyer but I can point out some wrong doing on MS' part.
 
Well it hasn't happened to me. I know people it has happened to. But I've never had a console die on me. My DC started acting up but I just opened it and put the power prongs in better contact with the UPS and that got rid of my problems.

So you get a RRoD. What are you going to do? Quit playing 360 games? Re-buy your stuff on PS3? For people who don't already own a PS3 that would cost alot of cash, and this is CAG after all. Or will you keep your games, and wait a year or two untill the price on a core system gets low enought that you would buy another one?

Video game consoles are not like cars, computers, or dvd players. If you don't buy a certain brand, then you are for sure going to miss out on some games.

But if you want to quit on MS, then just go ahead and sell your stuff on the trade forum.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']I tolerate it cos I dont play hardware, I play games. And when Microsofts hardware does work, the games for it are great.

I have well designed consoles that dont break down, that are currently collecting dust cos theres nothing I want to play on them.[/quote]

Despite the use of "cos", I couldn't have said it any better.
 
Nobody really "tolerates" it. We all complain and Microsoft has acknowledged the problem.

But as others have already stated, we all trek on, because the games are worth it.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Count I

Suing them on the basis that they failed to quality test the Xbox 360. [/QUOTE]

1. Microsoft abides by all the industry standards regarding quality testing. The law does not impose a duty on a company to go beyond the industry standard.


[quote name='Thomas96']Count II

Due to Microsoft's negligence, consumers were unable to utilize pre paid subscriptions to Xbox Live, [/QUOTE]

2. You might have something here, but I think this situation is analogous to an individual taking their car to be serviced at an autoshop... electronic devices/vehicles/things malfunction thus preventing you from enjoying their use or in this case the pre-paid subscription to Xbox Live.


[quote name='Thomas96']Count III

Improper design of the Xbox 360, resulted in the console malfunctioning due to improper cooling which in turn increased the risk towards consumers as a fire hazard.[/QUOTE]

3. You have to show beyond a mere increase in the risk of fire. There would have to be proof of actual fires causing harm to consumers.

[quote name='Thomas96']Count IV

As a result of Miscrosofts Negligance, Consumers were denied access to digital content that was purchased for use with the Xbox 360 console. [/QUOTE]

4. Refer to answer in paragraph 2.

[quote name='Thomas96']Count V
Microsoft violated the terms of their warranty and its extention. [/QUOTE]

5. How so??
 
[quote name='Littlefields']What would you do sue them? There's really not much you can do other than tolerate it. You can't look at 360 owners as a whole. We can't just team up and fight them.[/QUOTE]

Well, people could not tolerate it by getting rid of the repaired 360 and switching to PS3 I suppose.


[quote name='Littlefields']Sue them for what exactly? Anything you name won't hold up on court or you'll just lose horribly. :roll:[/QUOTE]

I'd imagine multiple broken 360s could be covered by some states consumer protection laws.

i.e. like the Lemon laws for cars, some states have similar things that cover lots of other products.

But it may be tough to win with the 3 year warranty extension--I imagine a big part of the reason MS shelled out $1 billion for that was to head off such lemon law filings etc.

Probably the most you would get out of that if you won was MS being ruled to refund your money for the original purchase rather than giving you back another console. So even if you could win it's kind of pointless as most people probably want a working console more than they're money back.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Count I

Suing them on the basis that they failed to quality test the Xbox 360. - Where's your proof? They had tons of 360 playtesters.


Count II

Due to Microsoft's negligence, consumers were unable to utilize pre paid subscriptions to Xbox Live, - Live service was never 100% down.

Count III

Improper design of the Xbox 360, resulted in the console malfunctioning due to improper cooling which in turn increased the risk towards consumers as a fire hazard. - A 360 is as much of a fire hazard as a home desktop. When has a 360 burned down a home?

Count IV

As a result of Microsoft's Negligence, Consumers were denied access to digital content that was purchased for use with the Xbox 360 console. - And those customers were fully reimbursed with a $10 XBL game.

Count V
Microsoft violated the terms of their warranty and its extension. - How? By not making customers pay for shipping and fix their consoles for free?



I'm not a lawyer but I can point out some wrong doing on MS' part.[/quote]

Stop watching CSI. You think Microsoft's billion dollar lawyers would let those shity accusations fly? Hell my 10 year old brother could counter debate those. Sorry =/
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Count I

Suing them on the basis that they failed to quality test the Xbox 360.


Count II

Due to Microsoft's negligence, consumers were unable to utilize pre paid subscriptions to Xbox Live,

Count III

Improper design of the Xbox 360, resulted in the console malfunctioning due to improper cooling which in turn increased the risk towards consumers as a fire hazard.

Count IV

As a result of Miscrosofts Negligance, Consumers were denied access to digital content that was purchased for use with the Xbox 360 console.

Count V
Microsoft violated the terms of their warranty and its extention.



I'm not a lawyer but I can point out some wrong doing on MS' part.[/quote]


At least you got the Roman numerals right...
 
Due to Microsoft's negligence, consumers were unable to utilize pre paid subscriptions to Xbox Live, - Live service was never 100% down.
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Actually, he meant not being able to play and take advantage of your paid Live service while your console was in for repair.

But still, doesn't MS throw in a free 1 month Live card with repaired consoles for Gold members? Which makes that point moot.

Count V
Microsoft violated the terms of their warranty and its extension. - How? By not making customers pay for shipping and fix their consoles for free?
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Yep, that was my point above. This was a legit before the warranty extension when there was a 6 month or so period that consoles were falling outside the warranty period, RRODing and MS was charging people for shipping and repair while denying that they had a design flaw.

But that's been remedy with the admission that the console's are all flawed and may fail and the warranty extension.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']

I'm not a lawyer but I can point out some wrong doing on MS' part.[/QUOTE]

You should be calling a lawyer right now and be on your way to becoming a millionaire...





:)
 
If you read the Terms of Use for Xbox Live it can be down/not accessible for however long Microsoft wants and you can't do shit about it

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/

16. WE MAKE NO WARRANTY
We provide the Service "as-is," "with all faults" and "as available."
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by giving you a free month with the repair they have gone above and beyond:

17. LIABILITY LIMITATION; YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY
You can recover from the Microsoft Parties only direct damages up to an amount equal to your Service fee for one month.
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[quote name='Danil ACE']Why do we tolerate Microsoft's red ring? Because the 360 is the console provides the best gaming experience today. It doesn't matter if the hardware is well built if it just sits while gathering dust because it doesn't have the games worth playing.[/quote]

The PS3 has better exclusive games out right now than the 360, and it has a MUCH better release schedule in 2008. You're just saying that because you don't own a PS3. :cool:
 
[quote name='Unickuta']The PS3 has better game out right now than the 360, and it has a MUCH better release schedule in 2008.[/QUOTE]

That's like, your opinion man!

PS3 has no exclusives left (released or forthcoming) that are must plays for me. There are some I would play if I owned the console, but nothing that I'm kicking myself for missing out on.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's like, your opinion man![/quote]

PS3: Resistance, Folklore, Ratchet + Clank, Uncharted (my GOTY), Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, MLB 08: The Show, MotorStorm

360: Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon

I'm not counting either BioShock or Unreal III, as both are also on the PC. I think the PS3 wins.
 
[quote name='Unickuta']PS3: Resistance, Folklore, Ratchet + Clank, Uncharted (my GOTY), Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, MLB 08: The Show, MotorStorm

360: Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon

I'm not counting either BioShock or Unreal III, as both are also on the PC. I think the PS3 wins.[/QUOTE]

Like I said it's your opinion. I wouldn't mind being able to play some of the games you list (especially Uncharted) but none are OMG! Must Play! type games for me.

And several don't interest me at all--Warhawk, any baseball game, Motrostrom, Heavenly Sword as I'm just not into those genres.

The 360 exclusives excite me more (including the one's on PC as I don't game on PC and never will) and a lot of the good games are multiplatform this gen, so the 360 was the easy choice for me.

Your tastes are different so the PS3 is the easy choice for you. Different strokes for diffrent folks.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I tolerate it for the like... 2 really good games that I can't get anywhere else, sadly.[/quote]

One of them being Yaris? :lol:
 
[quote name='Wolve11']One of them being Yaris? :lol:[/QUOTE]

If GGTCast 5 ever gets posted, you can hear me rant about how Yaris is probably the worst game ever. I downloaded that shit to see if it was as bad as everyone said, and because I was bored, and yeah... it's depressing.
 
Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Gears 2, Halo Wars, GTA IV Content, Forza 2, Ace Combat 6, Splinter Cell Conviction, Too Human, Fable 2, Prey, etc...
 
[quote name='kill3r7']1. Microsoft abides by all the industry standards regarding quality testing. The law does not impose a duty on a company to go beyond the industry standard.




2. You might have something here, but I think this situation is analogous to an individual taking their car to be serviced at an autoshop... electronic devices/vehicles/things malfunction thus preventing you from enjoying their use or in this case the pre-paid subscription to Xbox Live.




3. You have to show beyond a mere increase in the risk of fire. There would have to be proof of actual fires causing harm to consumers.



4. Refer to answer in paragraph 2.



5. How so??[/QUOTE]


You want to defend MS then go ahead, maybe your mom and day buys your 360 so you don't have to feel the pain of losing money. Maybe your mom and dad sends off your 360 and buys you a new one at the same time. I don't know your situation, but I find it pretty rediculous that your in here defending Microsoft.. you want to kiss MS' ass then no problem, that your choice. I only want whats best for the consumer, I worked hard as hell to earn my 249.99 plus tax. 30 perfect failure rate for a product is unacceptable. You may not agree or understand where I'm coming from.. but maybe one day you will.
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']You should be calling a lawyer right now and be on your way to becoming a millionaire...





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its not about ME.. its about US as gamers.. shit does anyone here want a console they don't have to worry will break in six months.. damn I can still play my Dreamcast, I can still play my Atari 2600, I can still play my N64, NES, SNES, the Original Brick Gameboy that my mother bought me when I was in elementary school... PS1 and PS2 as well... both work.. these are well made products.. the way products should be.. that's what I expect out of MS.. products that are reliable. 300/400/500 dollars is a lot of money.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Gears 2, Halo Wars, GTA IV Content, Forza 2, Ace Combat 6, Splinter Cell Conviction, Too Human, Fable 2, Prey, etc...[/quote]

I haven't even gotten into Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, God of War III, SOCOM: Confrontation, Tekken 6, MotorStorm 2, The Getaway 3, Haze, and Killzone 2. I'm being objective- I have a PS3 and 360 sitting right next to each other, and there's no way the 360 beats the PS3 in 2008. Oh, and Blu-Ray beat HD-DVD. :D
 
[quote name='Unickuta']I haven't even gotten into Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, God of War III, SOCOM: Confrontation, Tekken 6, MotorStorm 2, The Getaway 3, Haze, and Killzone 2. I'm being objective- I have a PS3 and 360 sitting right next to each other, and there's no way the 360 beats the PS3 in 2008. Oh, and Blu-Ray beat HD-DVD. :D[/quote]


what does HD DVD have to do with it? Last time I checked there was no HD drive in the 360....

Halo Wars, Gears 2, SC:Conviction, GTA IV DLC, Too Human, Fable 2, Tales of Vesperia, Left 4 Dead, Infinite Undiscovery, Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake, and Banjo-Kazooie 3 trump the PS3's release list in my book. The only notable games are GT5, MGS4 (which who knows if it will be on the Xbox a year later), GOWIII (if it makes it this year), SOCOM (multiplayer only is shitty) and Killzone 2 (which we havent seen hide nor hair of for a few months).
 
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