Wow Superphillip...thanks for showing your true colors. I am a fan of the wii and I tend to check out your blogs because I do enjoy them. But to see you slam this site and say you are here just to get a few blog hits is pretty pathetic. You just lost one hit right here buddy.
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I'll make a sensable statement if I may.
The Wii is a really good system on it's own. It has produced many great games like Super Mario Galaxy series, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Brawl, Wario Land and Wario Ware games, as well as the Wii Sports games. And those are just first party games. Yes there has been alot of shovelware but you give me one system that has zero "shovelware" games.
You could make a complaint that the Wii's online is terrible and for the most part it is. But a few games like Mario Kart Wii are very successful online. I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo did alot better with the online with Project Cafe.
The virtual console is also a great part of the Wii. You may think that the games are overpriced but if you can find a working cartridge of Secret of Mana for $8, that is impressive.
Overall the Wii is a great system on it's own. It isn't as powerful as the PS360 nor does it have similar capabilities but it is definately worth the price of admission.
The Wii is a really good system on it's own. It has produced many great games like Super Mario Galaxy series, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Brawl, Wario Land and Wario Ware games, as well as the Wii Sports games. And those are just first party games. Yes there has been alot of shovelware but you give me one system that has zero "shovelware" games.
You could make a complaint that the Wii's online is terrible and for the most part it is. But a few games like Mario Kart Wii are very successful online. I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo did alot better with the online with Project Cafe.
The virtual console is also a great part of the Wii. You may think that the games are overpriced but if you can find a working cartridge of Secret of Mana for $8, that is impressive.
Overall the Wii is a great system on it's own. It isn't as powerful as the PS360 nor does it have similar capabilities but it is definately worth the price of admission.
The Wii does have great games, definitely, but it is time for the new system. I've been ready for it, and I'm anxious for it to arrive. Yes, I want HD. Yes, I want (much) better online. Not just online games, but online in general, which is one place the Xbox gets things totally right - for example I love how I can check on friends via a web browser, queue up demos and even buy games via web browser. I like that, due to that integration, I can use Raptr to track my Xbox play, and even post stuff to twitter automatically as a result of that. Etc. I hope Nintendo takes a cue from the Xbox when it comes to online. There's no shame in borrowing. Borrow the good stuff and add new good stuff.
I'd also add that the Xbox gets parental controls much better, with one exception. The xbox gives much better control over what I can let me kids do. The exception to this is that the Xbox has a confusing layout of menus and such, which is no shock - this is Microsoft we are talking about. Still, and again, Nintendo should borrow from the Xbox, and make it better/easier to use.
Also, for gods sake, don't have a friend code tied to the system, like they did with the 3DS. I think that was a mistake with the 3DS because when I get one I'm going to want to share it with my kids and a single friend code has to be shared. So they can't have a separate friends list and separate settings. It's pretty ridiculously stupid, and it's going to be even worse if they go that route with Cafe. Let's hope they get a clue.
I'd also add that the Xbox gets parental controls much better, with one exception. The xbox gives much better control over what I can let me kids do. The exception to this is that the Xbox has a confusing layout of menus and such, which is no shock - this is Microsoft we are talking about. Still, and again, Nintendo should borrow from the Xbox, and make it better/easier to use.
Also, for gods sake, don't have a friend code tied to the system, like they did with the 3DS. I think that was a mistake with the 3DS because when I get one I'm going to want to share it with my kids and a single friend code has to be shared. So they can't have a separate friends list and separate settings. It's pretty ridiculously stupid, and it's going to be even worse if they go that route with Cafe. Let's hope they get a clue.
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Good to see that the conversation turned back to something more rational, after removing some very irrational posts.
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[quote name='crunchewy']The Wii does have great games, definitely, but it is time for the new system. I've been ready for it, and I'm anxious for it to arrive. Yes, I want HD. Yes, I want (much) better online. Not just online games, but online in general, which is one place the Xbox gets things totally right - for example I love how I can check on friends via a web browser, queue up demos and even buy games via web browser. I like that, due to that integration, I can use Raptr to track my Xbox play, and even post stuff to twitter automatically as a result of that. Etc. I hope Nintendo takes a cue from the Xbox when it comes to online. There's no shame in borrowing. Borrow the good stuff and add new good stuff.
I'd also add that the Xbox gets parental controls much better, with one exception. The xbox gives much better control over what I can let me kids do. The exception to this is that the Xbox has a confusing layout of menus and such, which is no shock - this is Microsoft we are talking about. Still, and again, Nintendo should borrow from the Xbox, and make it better/easier to use.
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What they need to do is implement the features of the X-box with the ease of navigation of the Playstation's menu system. One reason I love my playstation is because it's so easy to navigate and find stuff. Still, anything is an improvement over what they have now :lol:
I'd also add that the Xbox gets parental controls much better, with one exception. The xbox gives much better control over what I can let me kids do. The exception to this is that the Xbox has a confusing layout of menus and such, which is no shock - this is Microsoft we are talking about. Still, and again, Nintendo should borrow from the Xbox, and make it better/easier to use.
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What they need to do is implement the features of the X-box with the ease of navigation of the Playstation's menu system. One reason I love my playstation is because it's so easy to navigate and find stuff. Still, anything is an improvement over what they have now :lol:
[quote name='foltzie']I wish my failures sold 80+ million units, are number one in software sales, profits, hardware reliability, and set the new standard controls for a generation.
Nintendo isnt perfect, but this failure business is always weird.
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Except, they aren't....just look at the monthly sales charts in US (when released) and JPN and Wii hardware and software are not frequent visitors to the top 10. (those spots are normally held by 3DS/PSP/PS3, in JPN at least, otherwise it's X360 and PS3 in the US)
Again, even if I have to repeat this 1000 times in the Wii section.
Marketshare =/= Mindshare
I don't care how you split it, if your core game buyers ignore your system and don't buy games, you're not being successful, hell Iwata himself just said recently that they screwed up without 3rd parties, I mean how much more evidence do you want than that, if even Nintendo's President says the Wii wasn't as successful as they wanted it to be, since their publishing partners quit supporting them.
The Wii2 / Cafe wouldn't be ready for release next year if Nintendo had enough faith in the Wii to keep going with it. Sad thing is between the main games we're waiting on to be announced at E3 for the Wii, there are even more really good titles coming out, most have been posted in this section, but Nintendo could do major amounts of good will / shows of good faith just by releasing at least 50% of the list I provided below to show fans that they still care enough to bring quality titles out to the loyal fans who've still supported them.
(A small note: On the list below, some games are rumored, still in development, or have no chance in hell in coming here, I listed them for the sake of completeness)
Pandora's Tower, Kirby, Zelda, Last Story, Xenoblade, Zangeki No Reginleiv, Earth Seeker, Dragon Quest X, Dragon Quest I, II & III, Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road, Another Code R, Captain Rainbow, Fatal Frame 4, Zelda Anniversary Collection
I know JRPG's don't have the same impact as they've had in the past, but it would go along way for Nintendo do pull a Sony and support the Wii up to and after the Wii2/Cafe has been released and this is one way to do it, by releasing some of these games on this list I provided. They all might not be million sellers, but I think they could break even on them with enough marketing, but the more important thing it would show the fans that hey we're not abandoning you and we won't pull a fast one like we've done for the last two systems and cancel or move development of the games to our next system. But the point is why kill what you have out there and could potentially reap benefits from by doing that and not taking advantage of the high quality software being developed towards the (premature) end of the systems life cycle.
Like most systems that hit their 5 year mark the Wii is just starting to hit their stride where developers know how to exploit the system and realize the potential of the hardware, and now Nintendo is ready to send that hardware off to the gallows, makes you think it isn't the best decision they could make is it? I mean seriously you look at most of the games on that list, would anyone have thought games of that caliber could have been released that looked like that or had the potential of these titles were even possible two years ago? I can honestly say I didn't, can you?
Because as you've said if you have an 80 million install base, why start from scratch again when the systems are already out there in people's homes, all you need to do is convince them to buy the software now. Big challenge, but I'm sure they're up for it, if they want to try and more importantly care to do it.
[quote name='shrike4242']Good to see that the conversation turned back to something more rational, after removing some very irrational posts.[/QUOTE]
That's why I only poked my head in here occasionally because some regulars get a bit passionate and defensive even against others who want to talk about what could have been done better, even though they believe Nintendo can do no wrong.
Nintendo isnt perfect, but this failure business is always weird.
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Except, they aren't....just look at the monthly sales charts in US (when released) and JPN and Wii hardware and software are not frequent visitors to the top 10. (those spots are normally held by 3DS/PSP/PS3, in JPN at least, otherwise it's X360 and PS3 in the US)
Again, even if I have to repeat this 1000 times in the Wii section.
Marketshare =/= Mindshare
I don't care how you split it, if your core game buyers ignore your system and don't buy games, you're not being successful, hell Iwata himself just said recently that they screwed up without 3rd parties, I mean how much more evidence do you want than that, if even Nintendo's President says the Wii wasn't as successful as they wanted it to be, since their publishing partners quit supporting them.
The Wii2 / Cafe wouldn't be ready for release next year if Nintendo had enough faith in the Wii to keep going with it. Sad thing is between the main games we're waiting on to be announced at E3 for the Wii, there are even more really good titles coming out, most have been posted in this section, but Nintendo could do major amounts of good will / shows of good faith just by releasing at least 50% of the list I provided below to show fans that they still care enough to bring quality titles out to the loyal fans who've still supported them.
(A small note: On the list below, some games are rumored, still in development, or have no chance in hell in coming here, I listed them for the sake of completeness)
Pandora's Tower, Kirby, Zelda, Last Story, Xenoblade, Zangeki No Reginleiv, Earth Seeker, Dragon Quest X, Dragon Quest I, II & III, Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road, Another Code R, Captain Rainbow, Fatal Frame 4, Zelda Anniversary Collection
I know JRPG's don't have the same impact as they've had in the past, but it would go along way for Nintendo do pull a Sony and support the Wii up to and after the Wii2/Cafe has been released and this is one way to do it, by releasing some of these games on this list I provided. They all might not be million sellers, but I think they could break even on them with enough marketing, but the more important thing it would show the fans that hey we're not abandoning you and we won't pull a fast one like we've done for the last two systems and cancel or move development of the games to our next system. But the point is why kill what you have out there and could potentially reap benefits from by doing that and not taking advantage of the high quality software being developed towards the (premature) end of the systems life cycle.
Like most systems that hit their 5 year mark the Wii is just starting to hit their stride where developers know how to exploit the system and realize the potential of the hardware, and now Nintendo is ready to send that hardware off to the gallows, makes you think it isn't the best decision they could make is it? I mean seriously you look at most of the games on that list, would anyone have thought games of that caliber could have been released that looked like that or had the potential of these titles were even possible two years ago? I can honestly say I didn't, can you?
Because as you've said if you have an 80 million install base, why start from scratch again when the systems are already out there in people's homes, all you need to do is convince them to buy the software now. Big challenge, but I'm sure they're up for it, if they want to try and more importantly care to do it.
[quote name='shrike4242']Good to see that the conversation turned back to something more rational, after removing some very irrational posts.[/QUOTE]
That's why I only poked my head in here occasionally because some regulars get a bit passionate and defensive even against others who want to talk about what could have been done better, even though they believe Nintendo can do no wrong.
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what's amusing is that core gamers still think of themselves as the big fish. It's the family entertainment dollars that everyone is going for, even Microsoft and Sony.
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']What they need to do is implement the features of the X-box with the ease of navigation of the Playstation's menu system. One reason I love my playstation is because it's so easy to navigate and find stuff. Still, anything is an improvement over what they have now :lol:[/QUOTE]
The PS3 menu? That thing is an abomination only exceeded, by... well... the Xbox 360 interface.
Just keep the Wii TV style interface, but with perhaps a preview screen on the left or rightmost third and dynamically load things there.
The PS3 menu? That thing is an abomination only exceeded, by... well... the Xbox 360 interface.
Just keep the Wii TV style interface, but with perhaps a preview screen on the left or rightmost third and dynamically load things there.
One thing I really like about the Wii's interface, and which blows the 360 away, is that I can arrange the "dashboard" however the hell I want. If I want to put my favorite download game at the upper left, I can do that. One thing that happens to me on the Xbox is that I end up forgetting I even have a download game because it's effectively disappeared. You can find it, but only alphabetically, and with all the stuff I download on the Xbox it's a mess.
[quote name='crunchewy']One thing I really like about the Wii's interface, and which blows the 360 away, is that I can arrange the "dashboard" however the hell I want. If I want to put my favorite download game at the upper left, I can do that. One thing that happens to me on the Xbox is that I end up forgetting I even have a download game because it's effectively disappeared. You can find it, but only alphabetically, and with all the stuff I download on the Xbox it's a mess.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I have one wpage dedicated to just NES games (not including my favorites, which are on the front page.)
Agreed. I have one wpage dedicated to just NES games (not including my favorites, which are on the front page.)
[quote name='crunchewy']One thing I really like about the Wii's interface, and which blows the 360 away, is that I can arrange the "dashboard" however the hell I want. If I want to put my favorite download game at the upper left, I can do that. One thing that happens to me on the Xbox is that I end up forgetting I even have a download game because it's effectively disappeared. You can find it, but only alphabetically, and with all the stuff I download on the Xbox it's a mess.[/QUOTE]
You can move the top left window now? That was the one that was locked for the Disk animations.
You can move the top left window now? That was the one that was locked for the Disk animations.
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[quote name='uncle5555']Except, they aren't....just look at the monthly sales charts in US (when released) and JPN and Wii hardware and software are not frequent visitors to the top 10.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot less now (in the US charts) since NPD has changed the reporting. Before, when sales were separated by title AND platform, Wii was seriously tearing things up. Now, though, that they combine platforms when naming a title, they can put the CoDs and the Rock Bands and the Battlefields and the Medals of Honor at the number one spot a little more often, and the Wii-only titles get pushed down a bit.
I'll concede Japan just because I don't know, and don't care enough to find out.
Quick edit: Well, coincidentially, I just saw Japan Sales (mediacrate) from 2-8 May. 13 of the top 20 go to the portables, 5 Wii, and 2 PS3.
There's a lot less now (in the US charts) since NPD has changed the reporting. Before, when sales were separated by title AND platform, Wii was seriously tearing things up. Now, though, that they combine platforms when naming a title, they can put the CoDs and the Rock Bands and the Battlefields and the Medals of Honor at the number one spot a little more often, and the Wii-only titles get pushed down a bit.
I'll concede Japan just because I don't know, and don't care enough to find out.
Quick edit: Well, coincidentially, I just saw Japan Sales (mediacrate) from 2-8 May. 13 of the top 20 go to the portables, 5 Wii, and 2 PS3.
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[quote name='confoosious']what's amusing is that core gamers still think of themselves as the big fish. It's the family entertainment dollars that everyone is going for, even Microsoft and Sony.[/QUOTE]
This is the truth right here. There is nothing we as gamers can do about it either (unless you can convince 10,000,000 people to not buy call of duty). The problem is the cost of developing a game is so
ing high now, that there is no point trying to target to a smaller audience.
This is the truth right here. There is nothing we as gamers can do about it either (unless you can convince 10,000,000 people to not buy call of duty). The problem is the cost of developing a game is so
ing high now, that there is no point trying to target to a smaller audience.[quote name='confoosious']what's amusing is that core gamers still think of themselves as the big fish. It's the family entertainment dollars that everyone is going for, even Microsoft and Sony.[/QUOTE]
Dunno why I even debate it anymore....
(even if the post wasn't directly in response to what I said...still. I personally think it was though)
Anyway...
When Mr. Casual buys 2-3 games a year vs. Mr. Core who buys 10-15 games a year, who do you want as your main customer???
It takes 5 casuals to equal 1 core gamer, I don't understand the mentality of there are more of them (casuals) or that cores are ENTITLED to something (which I've been reading a lot of lately)....
I'd bet big money of core gamers abandoned gaming the industry would implode like something you couldn't even imagine. The only games left would be Farmville and some deviant version of Sudoku. Especially if it keeps going the way that you predict.
Ya know, I'll just let Mr. Iwata do the talkin' for me here, maybe it'll resonante with people better if it comes from a more well known source, to discuss losing 3rd parties and gaining the core market back.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/0...wii-successor-software-releases-and-more.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110426qa/index.html
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']This is the truth right here. There is nothing we as gamers can do about it either (unless you can convince 10,000,000 people to not buy call of duty). The problem is the cost of developing a game is soing high now, that there is no point trying to target to a smaller audience.[/QUOTE]
But if your core audience is the one who's mostly buying call of duty, then I don't see what you're getting at, I'm sure Johnny Casual isn't dropping big dime on the latest and greatest FPS coming down the pipeline (least not that I've seen personally and online, that isn't the case).
Dunno why I even debate it anymore....
(even if the post wasn't directly in response to what I said...still. I personally think it was though)
Anyway...
When Mr. Casual buys 2-3 games a year vs. Mr. Core who buys 10-15 games a year, who do you want as your main customer???
It takes 5 casuals to equal 1 core gamer, I don't understand the mentality of there are more of them (casuals) or that cores are ENTITLED to something (which I've been reading a lot of lately)....
I'd bet big money of core gamers abandoned gaming the industry would implode like something you couldn't even imagine. The only games left would be Farmville and some deviant version of Sudoku. Especially if it keeps going the way that you predict.
Ya know, I'll just let Mr. Iwata do the talkin' for me here, maybe it'll resonante with people better if it comes from a more well known source, to discuss losing 3rd parties and gaining the core market back.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/0...wii-successor-software-releases-and-more.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110426qa/index.html
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']This is the truth right here. There is nothing we as gamers can do about it either (unless you can convince 10,000,000 people to not buy call of duty). The problem is the cost of developing a game is so
ing high now, that there is no point trying to target to a smaller audience.[/QUOTE] But if your core audience is the one who's mostly buying call of duty, then I don't see what you're getting at, I'm sure Johnny Casual isn't dropping big dime on the latest and greatest FPS coming down the pipeline (least not that I've seen personally and online, that isn't the case).
[quote name='confoosious']what's amusing is that core gamers still think of themselves as the big fish. It's the family entertainment dollars that everyone is going for, even Microsoft and Sony.[/QUOTE]
What's amusing is that you think they aren't. I'd argue the exact opposite, at least, in regards to home consoles.
Think about it. The core gamers are the ones that line up on release day with hundreds in hand, some for multiple consoles in the same generation(even multiple consoles for the whole house). Core gamers are the ones that buy multiple launch titles. Core gamers are the ones that buy DLC. Core gamers buy XBLA, PSN, VC and WiiWare games weekly. Core gamers buy RB tunes weekly. Core gamers buy a shit ton of accessories. Core gamers buy a new game regularly(monthly?). Core gamers pay for online services like Live or PS+. Core gamers subscribe to other services offered because of your console(Netflix, Hulu+, MLB, Qriocity, etc).
See where I'm going with this? None of that can be said for casuals. There might be 30 million baby boomers who bought a Wii to play Wii Sports, but what else have they bought? Wii Fit? Mario Kart? Just take your average CoD map pack. I think the last one for World at War sold 7 million in the first week alone. That is $105 million of pure revenue. Sure, MS and Sony get a cut, but there is no packaging or distribution costs. Marketing overhead is minuscule compared to a retail release. Will the baby boomer who just got a Wii 3 years ago be lining up for the Wii2 next year? Not a chance. Are these casuals savvy enough to network their console to buy downloadable games or Rock Band tunes?
So I'd say in sheer numbers, sure, casuals have the edge, but where it matters, i.e. money spent on gaming as a hobby, the core crowd puts the casuals to shame.
If you ran a company would you rather have 100 people that buy nothing more than your console or 20 people that will buy your console, buy games monthly, pay for your online service, and buy DLC on a regular basis?
Is 'core' the only way to go? No, you need a healthy balance to appeal to everyone. Are MS and Sony going after casuals? Sure, it fills a void in their platforms, but it's not the end-all, be-all.
What's amusing is that you think they aren't. I'd argue the exact opposite, at least, in regards to home consoles.
Think about it. The core gamers are the ones that line up on release day with hundreds in hand, some for multiple consoles in the same generation(even multiple consoles for the whole house). Core gamers are the ones that buy multiple launch titles. Core gamers are the ones that buy DLC. Core gamers buy XBLA, PSN, VC and WiiWare games weekly. Core gamers buy RB tunes weekly. Core gamers buy a shit ton of accessories. Core gamers buy a new game regularly(monthly?). Core gamers pay for online services like Live or PS+. Core gamers subscribe to other services offered because of your console(Netflix, Hulu+, MLB, Qriocity, etc).
See where I'm going with this? None of that can be said for casuals. There might be 30 million baby boomers who bought a Wii to play Wii Sports, but what else have they bought? Wii Fit? Mario Kart? Just take your average CoD map pack. I think the last one for World at War sold 7 million in the first week alone. That is $105 million of pure revenue. Sure, MS and Sony get a cut, but there is no packaging or distribution costs. Marketing overhead is minuscule compared to a retail release. Will the baby boomer who just got a Wii 3 years ago be lining up for the Wii2 next year? Not a chance. Are these casuals savvy enough to network their console to buy downloadable games or Rock Band tunes?
So I'd say in sheer numbers, sure, casuals have the edge, but where it matters, i.e. money spent on gaming as a hobby, the core crowd puts the casuals to shame.
If you ran a company would you rather have 100 people that buy nothing more than your console or 20 people that will buy your console, buy games monthly, pay for your online service, and buy DLC on a regular basis?
Is 'core' the only way to go? No, you need a healthy balance to appeal to everyone. Are MS and Sony going after casuals? Sure, it fills a void in their platforms, but it's not the end-all, be-all.
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But if your core audience is the one who's mostly buying call of duty, then I don't see what you're getting at, I'm sure Johnny Casual isn't dropping big dime on the latest and greatest FPS coming down the pipeline (least not that I've seen personally and online, that isn't the case).[/QUOTE]
I think it is how I actually view casuals and core gamers, probably a mix up. I consider core gamers to be like the cag community. Well informed people who make smart decisions when buying a game. I consider casuals to be ones who only buy games like call of duty, halo, madden, etc just because they are popular. Either way I strongly feel gaming is trying appeal to that crowd now, the crowd that only buys 1-2 games a year in an attempt pick up more sales (Well the Western devs anyway).
But if your core audience is the one who's mostly buying call of duty, then I don't see what you're getting at, I'm sure Johnny Casual isn't dropping big dime on the latest and greatest FPS coming down the pipeline (least not that I've seen personally and online, that isn't the case).[/QUOTE]
I think it is how I actually view casuals and core gamers, probably a mix up. I consider core gamers to be like the cag community. Well informed people who make smart decisions when buying a game. I consider casuals to be ones who only buy games like call of duty, halo, madden, etc just because they are popular. Either way I strongly feel gaming is trying appeal to that crowd now, the crowd that only buys 1-2 games a year in an attempt pick up more sales (Well the Western devs anyway).
I don't know if core gamers really are the bedrock of software sales.
If you define the cag community as core gamers, the harsh truth then is cag/gamers are destroying the industry, myself included. Casual gamers are more likely to be buying games at full price, without coupons, without flipping, without maximizing deals or getting the best of store discounts. So if a core gamer is buying many more games a year, but they are often used, clearance/pricedrop or the occassional aaa title at release (but $5-10 off full retail and getting a coupon on top) it's not automatically a better consumer than someone buying 1 or 2 titles a year at full price.
I would like to think that core gamers are buying more of dlc and online sales, but I think that is a failure of ms, sony and nintendo to reach the consumer. If you look at sites like bigfish, shockwave or amazon/apple, the bulk of those online sales are going to casual gamers. Many (all?) of those gamers would enjoy playing tons of psn, xbla or wiiware games, but there is a failure to connect game and casual gamer. If I bought a wii for wii sports, I am totally in the dark about what other good games to get. There is a huge information barrier to anyone who doesn't follow the industry.
If you define the cag community as core gamers, the harsh truth then is cag/gamers are destroying the industry, myself included. Casual gamers are more likely to be buying games at full price, without coupons, without flipping, without maximizing deals or getting the best of store discounts. So if a core gamer is buying many more games a year, but they are often used, clearance/pricedrop or the occassional aaa title at release (but $5-10 off full retail and getting a coupon on top) it's not automatically a better consumer than someone buying 1 or 2 titles a year at full price.
I would like to think that core gamers are buying more of dlc and online sales, but I think that is a failure of ms, sony and nintendo to reach the consumer. If you look at sites like bigfish, shockwave or amazon/apple, the bulk of those online sales are going to casual gamers. Many (all?) of those gamers would enjoy playing tons of psn, xbla or wiiware games, but there is a failure to connect game and casual gamer. If I bought a wii for wii sports, I am totally in the dark about what other good games to get. There is a huge information barrier to anyone who doesn't follow the industry.
[quote name='vherub']I don't know if core gamers really are the bedrock of software sales.
If you define the cag community as core gamers, the harsh truth then is cag/gamers are destroying the industry, myself included. Casual gamers are more likely to be buying games at full price, without coupons, without flipping, without maximizing deals or getting the best of store discounts. So if a core gamer is buying many more games a year, but they are often used, clearance/pricedrop or the occassional aaa title at release (but $5-10 off full retail and getting a coupon on top) it's not automatically a better consumer than someone buying 1 or 2 titles a year at full price.[/QUOTE]
Fair point but the CAG user base (what, a few thousand?) is a drop in the bucket compared to the 100+ million console owners out there. Even factoring in our cheap asses, there are many AAA games that we still buy Day 1 because we have to have it, deal or not. Not many people will hold out on CoD or Halo because there isn't a deal. Same goes for DLC and XBLA/PSN games. Hell, there are rarely deals on day one for AAA Nintendo titles.
I do agree that there is a barrier between the console owner and the online services. Well, Wii and PS3 anyway. MS nailed it with the past couple dash updates in that regard. They have almost too much content right at your fingertips. Just clicking around and exploring things will tell you what you need to know.
If you define the cag community as core gamers, the harsh truth then is cag/gamers are destroying the industry, myself included. Casual gamers are more likely to be buying games at full price, without coupons, without flipping, without maximizing deals or getting the best of store discounts. So if a core gamer is buying many more games a year, but they are often used, clearance/pricedrop or the occassional aaa title at release (but $5-10 off full retail and getting a coupon on top) it's not automatically a better consumer than someone buying 1 or 2 titles a year at full price.[/QUOTE]
Fair point but the CAG user base (what, a few thousand?) is a drop in the bucket compared to the 100+ million console owners out there. Even factoring in our cheap asses, there are many AAA games that we still buy Day 1 because we have to have it, deal or not. Not many people will hold out on CoD or Halo because there isn't a deal. Same goes for DLC and XBLA/PSN games. Hell, there are rarely deals on day one for AAA Nintendo titles.
I do agree that there is a barrier between the console owner and the online services. Well, Wii and PS3 anyway. MS nailed it with the past couple dash updates in that regard. They have almost too much content right at your fingertips. Just clicking around and exploring things will tell you what you need to know.
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the wii was a great console until nintendo decided to abandon it like a year or two ago. when the wii first came out, it was something we never had before. we got new experiences and new gameplay to interact with video games. when everyone played resident evil 4 wii, we were all wowed by how better it was with a motion controller as opposed to a dual pad. or how we would play sports games differently now that it would be more involved as opposed to pressing a button. or how we can have flying games without gimmicky analog controllers. so people bought the wii because it was something fresh and innovative.
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.
[quote name='pochaccoheaven']the wii was a great console until nintendo decided to abandon it like a year or two ago. when the wii first came out, it was something we never had before. we got new experiences and new gameplay to interact with video games. when everyone played resident evil 4 wii, we were all wowed by how better it was with a motion controller as opposed to a dual pad. or how we would play sports games differently now that it would be more involved as opposed to pressing a button. or how we can have flying games without gimmicky analog controllers. so people bought the wii because it was something fresh and innovative.[/QUOTE]
26 games published isnt too shabby. Although I'm suprised at the number that dont get ported.
Another Code: R - A Journey into Lost Memories
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
[quote name='pochaccoheaven']the wii was a great console until nintendo decided to abandon it like a year or two ago. when the wii first came out, it was something we never had before. we got new experiences and new gameplay to interact with video games. when everyone played resident evil 4 wii, we were all wowed by how better it was with a motion controller as opposed to a dual pad. or how we would play sports games differently now that it would be more involved as opposed to pressing a button. or how we can have flying games without gimmicky analog controllers. so people bought the wii because it was something fresh and innovative.
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.[/QUOTE]
There is so much wrong here, I'm not sure if I should even point it out.
[quote name='foltzie']
26 games published isnt too shabby. Although I'm suprised at the number that dont get ported.[/QUOTE]
26 is quite big, but the list is a good deal larger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo#Wii
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.[/QUOTE]
There is so much wrong here, I'm not sure if I should even point it out.
[quote name='foltzie']
Another Code: R - A Journey into Lost Memories
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
26 is quite big, but the list is a good deal larger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo#Wii
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In my opinion, the Wii's main advantage over the other consoles is the fact that it is a Nintendo console. I love my PS3 and 360, but they don't have anything that really compares with The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Donkey Kong, or Super Smash Bros. They still have superb First party titles but still, nothing on par with the aforementioned titles. That being said, the third party field is where this unfair advantage levels out, as the third party games for the wii are not nearly as good as their competitors, for the most part anyhow.
[quote name='KingBroly']I'm guessing Nintendo's Wii games (or at least ones released past a certain point) will render in 720p on their new console.[/QUOTE]
Do the later games have a higher level rendering?
[quote name='ebilcanival']In my opinion, the Wii's main advantage over the other consoles is the fact that it is a Nintendo console. I love my PS3 and 360, but they don't have anything that really compares with The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Donkey Kong, or Super Smash Bros. They still have superb First party titles but still, nothing on par with the aforementioned titles. That being said, the third party field is where this unfair advantage levels out, as the third party games for the wii are not nearly as good as their competitors, for the most part anyhow.[/QUOTE]
Very true. The games I have enjoyed the most on the PS3 were third party. Except for Uncharted which is excellent by the way.
Do the later games have a higher level rendering?
[quote name='ebilcanival']In my opinion, the Wii's main advantage over the other consoles is the fact that it is a Nintendo console. I love my PS3 and 360, but they don't have anything that really compares with The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Donkey Kong, or Super Smash Bros. They still have superb First party titles but still, nothing on par with the aforementioned titles. That being said, the third party field is where this unfair advantage levels out, as the third party games for the wii are not nearly as good as their competitors, for the most part anyhow.[/QUOTE]
Very true. The games I have enjoyed the most on the PS3 were third party. Except for Uncharted which is excellent by the way.
[quote name='omster']
26 is quite big, but the list is a good deal larger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo#Wii[/QUOTE]
I did pare it down to the last two years.
26 is quite big, but the list is a good deal larger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo#Wii[/QUOTE]
I did pare it down to the last two years.
This whole thing saddens me so much. Some of ya'll who are calling the "haters".. haters.. need to back off a bit. A bunch of them -- myself included -- were like the Nintendo Police a few years ago when Wii came out :lol:
We had hopes and thought "oh, soon!". The only thing we got was a note on our bathroom mirror that said WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS. Ok, not that dramatic.
I just want to be excited about their games again. Super Mario Bros Wii IS exactly what we're talking about here. There was some 'waggle' involved, and the addition to making it 4 players co-op made it very Wii'ish.. but it worked. This game would have been excellent on the Gamecube even without the SHAKE CONTROLLER UP TO SPINZ! This is what they need to get back into and get there ASAP.
I love Kirby and I don't want to play as Kirby, thein ball of yarn.
WHERE IS STARFOX BTW?
They reaaaaaaallly pissed me off w/ Smash Bros "ONLINE" and the online suuuuucked. Potentially an overly awesome game w/ online play.. HELL, even with the possibility of DLC!!!.. but no.
I know Nintendo needs more than just Mario, some Mario spinoffs, Zelda, Starfox, and Metroid Games. That's fine. I don't mind if they give us a Wii Music 2. THAT'S FINE. Just... let's go back to video games. We spent like 25 years playing games sitting tapping buttons, we tried something different (WAGGLEZ).. but, let's just.. leave it be.
This generation of gaming just really pissed me off. With the non-video game video games on the Wii, and everything on the PS3/360 coming out half assed, with patches and DLC like 1-2 weeks after release...
Oh and then 6 months later, coming out with the FULL game at 39.99.
UGHHHHH
We had hopes and thought "oh, soon!". The only thing we got was a note on our bathroom mirror that said WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS. Ok, not that dramatic.
I just want to be excited about their games again. Super Mario Bros Wii IS exactly what we're talking about here. There was some 'waggle' involved, and the addition to making it 4 players co-op made it very Wii'ish.. but it worked. This game would have been excellent on the Gamecube even without the SHAKE CONTROLLER UP TO SPINZ! This is what they need to get back into and get there ASAP.
I love Kirby and I don't want to play as Kirby, the
in ball of yarn.WHERE IS STARFOX BTW?
They reaaaaaaallly pissed me off w/ Smash Bros "ONLINE" and the online suuuuucked. Potentially an overly awesome game w/ online play.. HELL, even with the possibility of DLC!!!.. but no.
I know Nintendo needs more than just Mario, some Mario spinoffs, Zelda, Starfox, and Metroid Games. That's fine. I don't mind if they give us a Wii Music 2. THAT'S FINE. Just... let's go back to video games. We spent like 25 years playing games sitting tapping buttons, we tried something different (WAGGLEZ).. but, let's just.. leave it be.
This generation of gaming just really pissed me off. With the non-video game video games on the Wii, and everything on the PS3/360 coming out half assed, with patches and DLC like 1-2 weeks after release...
Oh and then 6 months later, coming out with the FULL game at 39.99.UGHHHHH
TheLongshot
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[quote name='Corvin']Fair point but the CAG user base (what, a few thousand?) is a drop in the bucket compared to the 100+ million console owners out there. Even factoring in our cheap asses, there are many AAA games that we still buy Day 1 because we have to have it, deal or not. Not many people will hold out on CoD or Halo because there isn't a deal. Same goes for DLC and XBLA/PSN games. Hell, there are rarely deals on day one for AAA Nintendo titles.
I do agree that there is a barrier between the console owner and the online services. Well, Wii and PS3 anyway. MS nailed it with the past couple dash updates in that regard. They have almost too much content right at your fingertips. Just clicking around and exploring things will tell you what you need to know.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to see what the breakdown of who buys what really is. Whatever it is, Nintendo seemed to judge it right for the Wii, because it has been very successful for them. "Core Gamers" can complain about being left out in the cold, but it hasn't stopped the Wii being a success overall.
I do agree that there is a barrier between the console owner and the online services. Well, Wii and PS3 anyway. MS nailed it with the past couple dash updates in that regard. They have almost too much content right at your fingertips. Just clicking around and exploring things will tell you what you need to know.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to see what the breakdown of who buys what really is. Whatever it is, Nintendo seemed to judge it right for the Wii, because it has been very successful for them. "Core Gamers" can complain about being left out in the cold, but it hasn't stopped the Wii being a success overall.
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[quote name='foltzie']
26 games published isnt too shabby. Although I'm suprised at the number that dont get ported.[/QUOTE]
the only good games out of this list is new mario wii, donkey kong returns, wii fit plus, and wii sports resort.
metroid other m is a disaster. fling smash is a joke of a game.
Another Code: R - A Journey into Lost Memories
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep
Excitebots: Trick Racing
Kensax
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Line Attack Heroes
Mario Sports Mix
Metroid: Other M
Metroid Prime: Trilogy
Chibi-Robo!
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!!
Sin & Punishment: Star SuccessorNA
FlingSmash
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Takuto of Magic
Wii Fit Plus
Wii Party
Wii Sports Resort
the only good games out of this list is new mario wii, donkey kong returns, wii fit plus, and wii sports resort.
metroid other m is a disaster. fling smash is a joke of a game.
[quote name='pochaccoheaven']the only good games out of this list is new mario wii, donkey kong returns, wii fit plus, and wii sports resort.
metroid other m is a disaster. fling smash is a joke of a game.[/QUOTE]
Now now, I never passed a value proposition on the given titles,
I was merely pointing out that Nintendo published ~26 games in that period. For comparison Sony published ~24 and MSFT about ~14.
metroid other m is a disaster. fling smash is a joke of a game.[/QUOTE]
Now now, I never passed a value proposition on the given titles,
I was merely pointing out that Nintendo published ~26 games in that period. For comparison Sony published ~24 and MSFT about ~14.
[quote name='foltzie']Now now, I never passed a value proposition on the given titles,
I was merely pointing out that Nintendo published ~26 games in that period. For comparison Sony published ~24 and MSFT about ~14.[/QUOTE]
But quality isn't important? Had they developed 8-10 AMAZING games, that alone would be extremely important. Of that list how many were AMAZING?
Not to mention there's like 4-5 re-releases of games.
I was merely pointing out that Nintendo published ~26 games in that period. For comparison Sony published ~24 and MSFT about ~14.[/QUOTE]
But quality isn't important? Had they developed 8-10 AMAZING games, that alone would be extremely important. Of that list how many were AMAZING?
Not to mention there's like 4-5 re-releases of games.
[quote name='lilboo']But quality isn't important? Had they developed 8-10 AMAZING games, that alone would be extremely important. Of that list how many were AMAZING?
Not to mention there's like 4-5 re-releases of games.[/QUOTE]
Value is subjective, plus the cited first party titles for the PS3 and Xbox 360 featured some stinkers too.
I was merely pointing out the claim of no support was wrong. Now things do seem to be tapering in 2011.
One a subjective note, ~6-10 of those titles are stellar depending on personal preference.
Not to mention there's like 4-5 re-releases of games.[/QUOTE]
Value is subjective, plus the cited first party titles for the PS3 and Xbox 360 featured some stinkers too.
I was merely pointing out the claim of no support was wrong. Now things do seem to be tapering in 2011.
One a subjective note, ~6-10 of those titles are stellar depending on personal preference.
[quote name='pochaccoheaven']
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='omster']There is so much wrong here, I'm not sure if I should even point it out.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't have the energy to even bother. :lol: He's proven in multiple threads that he's just a troll anyway and doesn't know jack about the 360 or PS3.
[quote name='lilboo']This whole thing saddens me so much. Some of ya'll who are calling the "haters".. haters.. need to back off a bit. A bunch of them -- myself included -- were like the Nintendo Police a few years ago when Wii came out :lol:
[/QUOTE]
Amen to that.
with the 360/ps3, it was an upgraded ps2/xbox. no one wants an upgrade because it didn't do much. better graphics and sound meant it was "cheap". a lot of developers were interested in making ps3/360 games because they were "easy" to make. since the ps3/360 were about graphics and sound, it meant as a developer you wouldn't have to work as hard because your work would be around graphics and sound.
i still remember when sega released virtua tennis and asking myself, who would want to play a tennis game with a controller when you can use a motion controller like on the wii. there is no edge on the controller. even worse is how people liked playing shooters with a controller. i notice my aim is a lot faster and accurate in resident evil 4 wii than on the gamecube.
i still can't comprehend the idea of charging people to use online feature of a console. very weird. on the wii, ps3 and pc you have free online features in games. yet, 360 gamers are suckerd into paying for it. 360 gamers justify it's value, yet they seek alternatives to getting a reduce pricing on the service.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='omster']There is so much wrong here, I'm not sure if I should even point it out.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't have the energy to even bother. :lol: He's proven in multiple threads that he's just a troll anyway and doesn't know jack about the 360 or PS3.
[quote name='lilboo']This whole thing saddens me so much. Some of ya'll who are calling the "haters".. haters.. need to back off a bit. A bunch of them -- myself included -- were like the Nintendo Police a few years ago when Wii came out :lol:
[/QUOTE]
Amen to that.
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[quote name='crunchewy']I really liked Metroid Other M. Disaster? For some, it seems, but not all. I thought it was pretty great.[/QUOTE]
me too. the cut scenes of Samus' background were kinda dumb but I thought the game was fun as hell.
me too. the cut scenes of Samus' background were kinda dumb but I thought the game was fun as hell.
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fling smash was a total garbage. i played it during a visit to the nintendo store and felt that it was gimmicky with the use of the motion plus controller. besides, we already have a motion plus controller sampler game, wii resort, and nintendo is still providing samplers. the fling smash combo felt like a miss opportunity for nintendo on releasing a killer game that would have benefitted well with the add-on. even worse is how nintendo will still continue with sampler games as they intend to release wii play motion with the controller combo [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=02NZP2XJC0RPJ80FKYBG ]
i don't know if nintendo gets it, but we, as wii owners and gamers, don't want these sample games. we want games that's not a gimmick or beyond expectations.
i don't know if nintendo gets it, but we, as wii owners and gamers, don't want these sample games. we want games that's not a gimmick or beyond expectations.
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I still can't believe it can't play DVDs. I don't care about custom firmware. That's not the point and DVD players are EXTREMELY cheap these days so it's not like all of us really need that 5th, 6th or 7th DVD player.... but STILL.
Just wanted to chime in again
Just wanted to chime in again
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[quote name='lilboo']I still can't believe it can't play DVDs. I don't care about custom firmware. That's not the point and DVD players are EXTREMELY cheap these days so it's not like all of us really need that 5th, 6th or 7th DVD player.... but STILL.
Just wanted to chime in again[/QUOTE]
would you be willing to pay the extra fee?
Just wanted to chime in again[/QUOTE]
would you be willing to pay the extra fee?
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[quote name='lilboo']What, a quarter?[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='lilboo']If people were able to enable it custom firmware -- where is this "extra cost" coming in? Explain.[/QUOTE]
You ever hear of licensing costs?
Yeah, when you hack the wii to play pirated games, you don't have to pay a DVD license. Go figure.
You ever hear of licensing costs?
Yeah, when you hack the wii to play pirated games, you don't have to pay a DVD license. Go figure.
So how much would we be talking from the initial $250? Are we talking putting it OVER $300, as in possibly $350+? I mean, "additional costs" can mean anything. It could be $10, or it could be $100. If it WAS $100, then of course not.
But let's be honest here: PS2, if I recall correctly debuted in the year 2000 with an MSRP of $299.99. This is $50 more than the Wii. This is also 6 years before the Wii. PS2 came out when DVDs were just starting to be mainstream..and DVD players couldn't be found for $30 or less at Walmart like we can today.
So unless I'm missing something, it really could not have been that much more expensive.
But let's be honest here: PS2, if I recall correctly debuted in the year 2000 with an MSRP of $299.99. This is $50 more than the Wii. This is also 6 years before the Wii. PS2 came out when DVDs were just starting to be mainstream..and DVD players couldn't be found for $30 or less at Walmart like we can today.
So unless I'm missing something, it really could not have been that much more expensive.
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It's probably around $5. Per console.
86M consoles x $5 = $430M dollars.
What % of the buyers actually gave a shit about DVD playback. Sure it wouldve been nice but if I'm nintendo, I'd take $430M all day long over a handful of bitchy consumers asking for DVD playback when the vast majority never even thought about it. Everyone has a DVD player these days. I don't ever remember thinking "man, I really need my wii to play DVDs!"
Nintendo originally planned on it but since they were flying off the shelves, there was no point in making anything other than dvd-incapable wiis.
It's not exactly a piddly cost as you so flippantly suggested.
86M consoles x $5 = $430M dollars.
What % of the buyers actually gave a shit about DVD playback. Sure it wouldve been nice but if I'm nintendo, I'd take $430M all day long over a handful of bitchy consumers asking for DVD playback when the vast majority never even thought about it. Everyone has a DVD player these days. I don't ever remember thinking "man, I really need my wii to play DVDs!"
Nintendo originally planned on it but since they were flying off the shelves, there was no point in making anything other than dvd-incapable wiis.
It's not exactly a piddly cost as you so flippantly suggested.
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[quote name='lilboo']I'm sure the Wii would have sold just as insanely well at $259.99 to make up for that $5 charge to the Wii. It's not even about having a DVD player like I originally said. It just seems silly that it doesn't have it.[/QUOTE]
ugh, you just don't get it.
They already put the price at $250. They weren't gonna raise it just to give you DVD playback because NOBODY CARED. And if you can't raise the price and nobody cares, why would you take on an additional $5 per unit cost?
This is exactly what Microsoft did with the first xbox. You could only play DVDs if you bought the remote and dongle for like $15 bucks. That's how they passed on the cost of the licensing to you.
If Nintendo did the same thing, people wouldve bitched left and right for not including DVD playback in the original $250 cost. They were flying off the shelves at $250. Yes, they wouldve flown off the shelves at $260. But nobody wants to do that. That's a horrible PR move.
Thank god you don't work in a business.
ugh, you just don't get it.
They already put the price at $250. They weren't gonna raise it just to give you DVD playback because NOBODY CARED. And if you can't raise the price and nobody cares, why would you take on an additional $5 per unit cost?
This is exactly what Microsoft did with the first xbox. You could only play DVDs if you bought the remote and dongle for like $15 bucks. That's how they passed on the cost of the licensing to you.
If Nintendo did the same thing, people wouldve bitched left and right for not including DVD playback in the original $250 cost. They were flying off the shelves at $250. Yes, they wouldve flown off the shelves at $260. But nobody wants to do that. That's a horrible PR move.
Thank god you don't work in a business.
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