Wii U poor sales confirmed BY NINTENDO! Blasterman poor troll confirmed BY BLASTERMAN

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[quote name='Blaster man']To a certain extent he's right about the price. They haven't raised it but companies plan on making it up on the back end. Example: EA recently announced that ALL their games are going to have micro transactions.[/QUOTE]

Micro transactions are optional and in no way are needed to buy to play the game.

A better point you could have brought is DLC but again, that is optional.

Don't try and defend Patcher. Hes well known to be an idiot.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']Micro transactions are optional and in no way are needed to buy to play the game.

A better point you could have brought is DLC but again, that is optional.

Don't try and defend Patcher. Hes well known to be an idiot.[/QUOTE]

DLC is also optional (though lately some games have been putting the ending in it). I do think that micro transactions in all games will result in more money...maybe not a full $10 per game but you never know.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']DLC is also optional (though lately some games have been putting the ending in it). I do think that micro transactions in all games will result in more money...maybe not a full $10 per game but you never know.[/QUOTE]

Still though, he is 100% incorrect that games will cost $69.99 this gen.

EA is the only company that i know of that is even doing Micro transactions.

It will make them more money clearly, because there are people that will do it, but in no way is it needed to enjoy the game.
 
Oversaturation of DLC/Microtransactions does turn consumers off and worsens the product as a result. In addition to them being EA, that doesn't strike me as a good business plan.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Oversaturation of DLC/Microtransactions does turn consumers off and worsens the product as a result. In addition to them being EA, that doesn't strike me as a good business plan.[/QUOTE]

So far the micro transactions have been fairly benign. It's a way of getting good stuff earlier and/or faster. Basically, you can pay for "cheats" that don't disable achievements.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']http://www.explosion.com/24214/wii-u-unofficial-price-drop-in-europe/[/QUOTE]

Wow. I thought Nintendo claimed that they don't make a profit on the Wii U hardware. If this price drop becomes official, their financials are going to take a big hit. And this "temporary" price cut must be financed by Nintendo behind the scenes, or the retailers would be taking huge losses; margins on consoles are pretty small to begin with.
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']Wow. I thought Nintendo claimed that they don't make a profit on the Wii U hardware. If this price drop becomes official, their financials are going to take a big hit. And this "temporary" price cut must be financed by Nintendo behind the scenes, or the retailers would be taking huge losses; margins on consoles are pretty small to begin with.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, they said that the Wii U was revenue positive after one game is sold. Nintendo's take on one game is roughly $10 for the licensing fee (excluding games made by Nintendo which are obviously more profitable). That means that Nintendo's loss was less than $10 at that time.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/21/wii-u-becomes-profitable-after-one-games-sale

This hardware was probably manufactured in August or September so we're talking about 6 months ago. I'd imagine they have reduced the production cost of the hardware a bit so the hardware is probably selling at a profit right now. Taking a $50 hit per console might only result in a 35-40 dollar loss per unit to them right now and they've got loads of money (more than they need to operate) so they can afford the loss. Once they get a critical mass of people that own the Wii U the hardware losses will be lowered due to increased game sales.

Also keep in mind that half the cost of the Wii U is the gamepad. Considering that the gamepad is OLD TECHNOLOGY, it should become very cheap very fast. Resistive touch screens are very old and very cheap compared to capacitive. I'd expect they could lower the price $50 now and be breaking even on that cost by this time next year if not sooner.

These are some of the reasons I'm fairly confident a price drop is imminent. I'm expecting one in the next 30-45 days. If it doesn't happen then, it will definitely happen before the end of the year.
 
Well 1 euro = 1.31 dollars today so europe was already paying more than US for the same thing. So really this price drop for them puts it in line with the US prices. It's a little cheaper than US but nothing major. $260 and $326.
 
If sales of the system have tanked then a price drop must happen. You have to sell a certain number of consoles or 3rd parties will not make any games for it. Also the more consoles out there the greater the chance for additional game sales.
 
[quote name='Indiana']Well 1 euro = 1.31 dollars today so europe was already paying more than US for the same thing. So really this price drop for them puts it in line with the US prices. It's a little cheaper than US but nothing major. $260 and $326.[/QUOTE]

Europe also pays VAT which means they may not be paying all that much more for the hardware. In the UK I believe the VAT is 20%. If we paid that then a 350 Wii u would be 420.
 
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If retailers aren't moving units then they have to reduce the price to move units, if they aren't moving units they aren't selling games and accessories and accessories is how the retailers make most of their profit. Games and systems are relatively low margin and don't carry much profit for a retailer, they are just there to get you in the door and hope you buy other stuff in the process. If an item is not moving then the retailer is not making a profit on things that just sit around and they could be using the shelf space of the dead product to fill up with other products that might actually move and make profit.

If they are reducing the price on systems then that means they are willing to take a small hit on the original item in order to hopefully move some of the games and accessories that are just sitting around. More games constantly are coming out and the retailer needs to have shelf space for those that are coming out, and there is only so much shelf space to go around.

This is the slow time for system sales so I am not surprised, though easter is coming and easter is apparently the next Christmas in terms of giving gifts now, as kids get "easter" gifts such as games and systems, so hopefully sales will spur a bit from that.

The 3DS may be a couple generations behind however it has the better games of the 2 Nintendo systems, its clear that Nintendo consoles lack games, however their handhelds more than make up for it. I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out. The only way hardware would get in the way is if its so bad it causes problems on certain games, like if the games crash. The 3DS is totally worth purchasing, as with any system though you should look at the library and make sure there is something you want to personally play on it before you buy.
 
[quote name='SaraAB']If retailers aren't moving units then they have to reduce the price to move units, if they aren't moving units they aren't selling games and accessories and accessories is how the retailers make most of their profit. Games and systems are relatively low margin and don't carry much profit for a retailer, they are just there to get you in the door and hope you buy other stuff in the process. If an item is not moving then the retailer is not making a profit on things that just sit around and they could be using the shelf space of the dead product to fill up with other products that might actually move and make profit.

If they are reducing the price on systems then that means they are willing to take a small hit on the original item in order to hopefully move some of the games and accessories that are just sitting around. More games constantly are coming out and the retailer needs to have shelf space for those that are coming out, and there is only so much shelf space to go around.

This is the slow time for system sales so I am not surprised, though easter is coming and easter is apparently the next Christmas in terms of giving gifts now, as kids get "easter" gifts such as games and systems, so hopefully sales will spur a bit from that.

The 3DS may be a couple generations behind however it has the better games of the 2 Nintendo systems, its clear that Nintendo consoles lack games, however their handhelds more than make up for it. I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out. The only way hardware would get in the way is if its so bad it causes problems on certain games, like if the games crash. The 3DS is totally worth purchasing, as with any system though you should look at the library and make sure there is something you want to personally play on it before you buy.[/QUOTE]

My daughter is 4 and has a DSi. IIRC the 3DS is not suitable for kids under 6 because the 3D from it can cause lazy eye and other development problems in the eye. IIRC 6-10 or 6-12 the 3D should be used on a limited basis for similar reasons though its less severe. I can't see getting a 3DS for at least 3-4 years because of this.

Edit:
http://m.guardiannews.com/technology/2011/jan/20/nintendo-3ds-could-harm-child-eyes-claim

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/12/nintendos-3ds-warning-for-kids-under-six-years-old/
 
[quote name='SaraAB']I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out.[/QUOTE]

Vita has taken the best handheld honor for me. I guess it could be partially that the 3DS although has good games aren't appealing to me anymore. Everyone keeps talking up this amazing library but I don't see it. Even the stuff I've waited for Paper Mario, Castlevania, etc. seem to be getting average or mediocre scores. There have been some gems like Super Mario 3D Land and RE Revelations but overall I'm not playing it as much as I did my DS. Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, and Japanese Role Playing game XYZ are not reaching me.

I also use to say hardware doesn't matter but after holding a VITA I'm not so sure. Honestly if there was anything Nintendo should do would be to use a better screen. They always cheap out in that respect. Granted I know the 3D probably drove up the cost but I'd take an OLED over the 3D any day. The 3DS doesn't even live up to Nintendo's handheld standards in my opinion either. The original was clunky and awkward. The XL is better but not perfect. I guess it's being a little harsh on Nintendo but I just feel as if the whole package is lackluster.

[quote name='Blaster man']My daughter is 4 and has a DSi. IIRC the 3DS is not suitable for kids under 6 because the 3D from it can cause lazy eye and other development problems in the eye. IIRC 6-10 or 6-12 the 3D should be used on a limited basis for similar reasons though its less severe. I can't see getting a 3DS for at least 3-4 years because of this.

Edit:
http://m.guardiannews.com/technology/2011/jan/20/nintendo-3ds-could-harm-child-eyes-claim

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/12/nintendos-3ds-warning-for-kids-under-six-years-old/[/QUOTE]

Very understandable...the one thing is though you can completely disable the 3D in the system menu so even if kids play with the slider nothing happens.
 
[quote name='jkam']
Very understandable...the one thing is though you can completely disable the 3D in the system menu so even if kids play with the slider nothing happens.[/QUOTE]

I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?
 
[quote name='Blaster man']I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?[/QUOTE]

Larger and higher resolution/widescreen. Analog stick. And of course the games it plays which aren't available on the DSi.
 
[quote name='crunchewy']Larger and higher resolution/widescreen. Analog stick. And of course the games it plays which aren't available on the DSi.[/QUOTE]

How many 3DS specific games would be appropriate for a 4 year old that can't really read?
 
You mean ones that are out right now? hmm...

New Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario 3D Land

It's sorta hard to think about games, any game, where text isn't a potential limiting factor due to how most developers handle tutorials nowadays. These 2 games, particularly in the case of SM3DL, isn't something that you need 3D to enjoy, nor are they intrusive or hurtful to the eyes. I, personally have severe problems with 3D in terms of games, movies and tv, but these 2 games I play without any problems with 3D on.

I might be able to throw Mario Kart 7 in there as well, but I'm sure you're going to say 'oh, Mario Kart isn't specific to 3DS.'
 
[quote name='Blaster man']I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't implying you go rush out and buy one, just letting you know it was an option. Sounds like you already knew. Word.
 
The amazing games are in Rune Factory 4 and Pokemon X/Y which are upcoming games. These games will definitely come out though. I only have 2 3DS games to my name right now, Style Savvy and Devil survivor overclocked. I am more than busy with the Pokemon Black and White games though,.IMO both are good and are more than enough to last me until the next release especially with all the other games I already own. I am interested in harvest moon a new beginning but I am going to wait for a price drop on that as Rune Factory is coming out in July and is basically a better, non boring version of Harvest Moon.

You can turn off the 3D permanently on the 3DS with the parental controls so there is no reason to limit your daughters choices for that reason. I have never even used the 3D on my 3DS and I don't plan on it either, I really don't feel like I am losing anything either by not using it. I have a 3DS for the upcoming games, not for the stupid 3D.

I have never actually heard of a case where a child's eyes were damaged by 3D, so either everyone is being super careful with this device, or its just a statement put out by Nintendo in case someone does sue them if a kid under 7 uses the 3D. Ironically a lot of kids I see with this device are in strollers. I would also assume if this device can be damaging then sitting in front of a 3D movie would also be just as bad, and most 3D movies are targeted at kids under 7.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']To be fair, they said that the Wii U was revenue positive after one game is sold. Nintendo's take on one game is roughly $10 for the licensing fee (excluding games made by Nintendo which are obviously more profitable). That means that Nintendo's loss was less than $10 at that time.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/21/wii-u-becomes-profitable-after-one-games-sale

This hardware was probably manufactured in August or September so we're talking about 6 months ago. I'd imagine they have reduced the production cost of the hardware a bit so the hardware is probably selling at a profit right now. Taking a $50 hit per console might only result in a 35-40 dollar loss per unit to them right now and they've got loads of money (more than they need to operate) so they can afford the loss. Once they get a critical mass of people that own the Wii U the hardware losses will be lowered due to increased game sales.

Also keep in mind that half the cost of the Wii U is the gamepad. Considering that the gamepad is OLD TECHNOLOGY, it should become very cheap very fast. Resistive touch screens are very old and very cheap compared to capacitive. I'd expect they could lower the price $50 now and be breaking even on that cost by this time next year if not sooner.

These are some of the reasons I'm fairly confident a price drop is imminent. I'm expecting one in the next 30-45 days. If it doesn't happen then, it will definitely happen before the end of the year.[/QUOTE]

Actually they don't make money after one game is sold, that was an erroneous statement by Reggie that was later retracted:

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/01/0...ne-wii-u-game-to-profit-from-its-new-console/

Which means they're losing a fair amount of money on each console, making a price cut a pretty tough option.

Also, if half the cost of the Wii U console bundle is taken up by the gamepad, what does that leave for the Wii U console itself? Not much. That might explain the massively scaled back specs/features.
 
[quote name='SaraAB']The amazing games are in Rune Factory 4 and Pokemon X/Y which are upcoming games. These games will definitely come out though. I only have 2 3DS games to my name right now, Style Savvy and Devil survivor overclocked. I am more than busy with the Pokemon Black and White games though,.IMO both are good and are more than enough to last me until the next release especially with all the other games I already own. I am interested in harvest moon a new beginning but I am going to wait for a price drop on that as Rune Factory is coming out in July and is basically a better, non boring version of Harvest Moon.

You can turn off the 3D permanently on the 3DS with the parental controls so there is no reason to limit your daughters choices for that reason. I have never even used the 3D on my 3DS and I don't plan on it either, I really don't feel like I am losing anything either by not using it. I have a 3DS for the upcoming games, not for the stupid 3D.

I have never actually heard of a case where a child's eyes were damaged by 3D, so either everyone is being super careful with this device, or its just a statement put out by Nintendo in case someone does sue them if a kid under 7 uses the 3D. Ironically a lot of kids I see with this device are in strollers. I would also assume if this device can be damaging then sitting in front of a 3D movie would also be just as bad, and most 3D movies are targeted at kids under 7.[/QUOTE]

Those RPG's require more reading than a 4 year old can do...not sure if you'e been exposed to many 4 year old's. I have Kinect and that's a big hit with the kids. Kinect Sesame Street TV is a favorite as is Happy Action Theater. I got the Book of Spells for her for PS Move but it scared the living shit out of her.

Well when you have kids you can go ahead and let your kids use the 3D because you never heard anyone got hurt with it before....for me I'll just go with what the experts and Nintendo themselves say. I'd rather not be the cause of my kid having eye problems for life just so she can play games in 3D when she's 4.
 
Could you do me a favor though? Read around on forums about Patcher. Not Nintendo forums but for Xbox and Sony. You will see how no one takes him seriously at all because everything he predicts is usually wrong. He said before the Kinect would be a massive success and that they 3DS would be a massive failure.


I know that you badly want to prove you are right about a price drop happening before the end of April but just posting speculation after speculation isn't really doing anything to "prove" the price is going to drop in 30-45 days. Nothing is going to prove that till it actually happens.

But I mean if you want to keep posting it to try and stroke your ego then by all means go for it if thats what makes you feel good about who you are.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']Could you do me a favor though? Read around on forums about Patcher. Not Nintendo forums but for Xbox and Sony. You will see how no one takes him seriously at all because everything he predicts is usually wrong. He said before the Kinect would be a massive success and that they 3DS would be a massive failure.


I know that you badly want to prove you are right about a price drop happening before the end of April but just posting speculation after speculation isn't really doing anything to "prove" the price is going to drop in 30-45 days. Nothing is going to prove that till it actually happens.

But I mean if you want to keep posting it to try and stroke your ego then by all means go for it if thats what makes you feel good about who you are.[/QUOTE]

If he said those two things he was right.

And no one is perfect 100% of the time. He doesn't have the job he does because he's bad at it. The people who think they're smarter than Pachter are the people I like to ignore.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']the 3ds is in no way a massive failure and the kinect is in no way a massive success.[/QUOTE]

Kinect is pretty damn successful and the 3DS was a failure until they dropped the price. He was right.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']he also claimed the Vita would outsell the 3DS.

And claims games will cost $69.99 when Sony already said they wouldn't.[/QUOTE]

List all the things you want. As I said, no one is right 100% of the time, but he his a lot, hence why he has the job he does.

We've already gone over that he has been right before, so give it up.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']Could you do me a favor though? Read around on forums about Patcher. Not Nintendo forums but for Xbox and Sony. You will see how no one takes him seriously at all because everything he predicts is usually wrong. He said before the Kinect would be a massive success and that they 3DS would be a massive failure.


I know that you badly want to prove you are right about a price drop happening before the end of April but just posting speculation after speculation isn't really doing anything to "prove" the price is going to drop in 30-45 days. Nothing is going to prove that till it actually happens.

But I mean if you want to keep posting it to try and stroke your ego then by all means go for it if thats what makes you feel good about who you are.[/QUOTE]
I know quite well what people think of him. That's why I wrote that people love to hate him. I imagine he's damn close here. How hard can it be to predict sales for the month that just went by when you have inside sources?
[quote name='moothemagiccow']This guy's predictions are as accurate as yours or mine, not sure why the game press love him so much[/QUOTE]
He's sometimes spectacularly right and sometimes spectacularly wrong. He predicted WAYYY ahead of time that XBL gold was going to go up $10 a year and HOLY SHIT people were spamming the worst garbage about him. He was right. I didn't see anyone else predict that. He knows people in the industry. Wall Street analysts don't keep their jobs by never correctly predicting things. Wall Street makes it's money through a "mosaic" of information (they use the word mosaic because they claim they are piecing together info from various sources instead of committing insider trading by getting it straight from the execs).
 
[quote name='whoknows']List all the things you want. As I said, no one is right 100% of the time, but he his a lot, hence why he has the job he does.

We've already gone over that he has been right before, so give it up.[/QUOTE]

No, you gave your opinion that he is right but that is not fact.

Also, the dude just looks at numbers and then says what he thinks will happen. its no different then what any of us do, lol. In no way does it mean he is smarter than any of us.

Just watch his show and see how much crap he says that is totally wrong. He once went on about how Uncharted is very unorginal and that only games that are very original should get praised/get high ratings but then later praised call of duty modern warfare 2 for how amazing it was.


By all means, believe him if you want since he supports what you want to believe is true.
 
I give you:
http://www.1up.com/news/microsoft-raise-xbox-live-subscription

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Microsoft hasn't done anything

Posted: Oct 19, 2009 12:00AM PST by Shadonai
I see a lot of people pissed at MS over this, but this is not their doing. There's no overheard rumor or leaked box pics. It's just Pachter blowing smoke out his arse. We've seen this sort of thing from him before. MS would have to be crazy to do this. That being said, after spending the good part of an hour trying to play Uncharted co-op with a friend, I'm realizing my $50 a year is money well spent.


I'm sure we could find similar comments on this board as well as virtually all other gaming mssg boards. How the hell could he predict that correctly and everyone else is saying, "PSN IS FREE@@@!!!!!" and "HE"S BLOWING SMOKE UP HIS ASS AGAIN!!@!!!!!"?


Show me ONE PERSON that predicted this increase in price prior to him. He gets things right sometimes - and they're things about the industry that you and I would have never guessed - and that's why he has a job.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']No, you gave your opinion that he is right but that is not fact.

Also, the dude just looks at numbers and then says what he thinks will happen. its no different then what any of us do, lol. In no way does it mean he is smarter than any of us.

Just watch his show and see how much crap he says that is totally wrong. He once went on about how Uncharted is very unorginal and that only games that are very original should get praised/get high ratings but then later praised call of duty modern warfare 2 for how amazing it was.


By all means, believe him if you want since he supports what you want to believe is true.[/QUOTE]



I never said he was right all the time. I've already said twice that he isn't. However he was right about Kinect and the 3DS if he did say those things you claim he did. That is fact. The Kinect is very successful and the 3DS was a bomb before the price drop. Look at the numbers bro.


And Uncharted isn't original. What's your point?


If you can do his job as well he can why aren't you? Oh, right. It's because you can't. He gets paid a lot of money, and it's not because he does a job anyone can do.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I never said he was right all the time. I've already said twice that he isn't.


And Uncharted isn't original. What's your point?


If you can do his job as well he can why aren't you? Oh, right. It's because you can't. He gets paid a lot of money, and it's not because he does a job anyone can do.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I would love for someone to come out and show where they correctly predicted that XBL would be $60 a year instead of $50 a year prior to when Pachter did in 2009.
 
[quote name='whoknows']
And Uncharted isn't original. What's your point?
.[/QUOTE]

My point is, how can you sit there and rip on Uncharted for being unoriginal and that it doesn't deserve any of the high reviews it gets but then sit there and praise Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for how amazing it is.
 
Modern Warfare innovated. It completely changed online gaming. It's easier to name games that don't use an XP system Modern Warfare introduced than games that do. Games have even incorporated that into single player.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']My point is, how can you sit there and rip on Uncharted for being unoriginal and that it doesn't deserve any of the high reviews it gets but then sit there and praise Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for how amazing it is.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Uncharted 2 was quite good. Uncharted was alright. The characters are obviously the best part of the series, the first included.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']dont even going to bother then, lol.[/QUOTE]

This sentence is so perfect.

Tell me again how you can do what Pachter does when you can't even use proper English.

[quote name='Blaster man']Actually, Uncharted 2 was quite good. Uncharted was alright. The characters are obviously the best part of the series, the first included.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget how Uncharted 2 uses the XP system from Call of Duty.


Uncharted isn't an original game. It just takes a lot of things from other games and does it very well.
 
[quote name='whoknows']This sentence is so perfect.

Tell me again how you can do what Pachter does when you can't even use proper English.



Don't forget how Uncharted 2 uses the XP system from Call of Duty.


Uncharted isn't an original game. It just takes a lot of things from other games and does it very well.[/QUOTE]

I didn't play multiplayer, was talking specifically about single player. Unless multiplayer is with people I know, I almost never play it. I'd rather have new experiences.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']I didn't play multiplayer, was talking specifically about single player.[/QUOTE]

That was more a comment for the other guy.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Okay, confusing, it was below my quote.[/QUOTE]

Just pointing out how Uncharted 2 is yet another game influenced by Call of Duty since he seemed so offended when I said that Modern Warfare innovated.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Just pointing out how Uncharted 2 is yet another game influenced by Call of Duty since he seemed so offended when I said that Modern Warfare innovated.[/QUOTE]

I noticed. Not sure why. It took RPG elements and added them into a multiplayer shooter.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']
Well when you have kids you can go ahead and let your kids use the 3D because you never heard anyone got hurt with it before....for me I'll just go with what the experts and Nintendo themselves say. I'd rather not be the cause of my kid having eye problems for life just so she can play games in 3D when she's 4.[/QUOTE]

Oh c'mon - use a little common sense. Nintendo is just covering their ass with the warnings. The "experts" know little about it because no one has used a 3D system like that for any length of time and also are just being cautious. They wouldn't want to say it's fine and then have someone after them later for that statement.

But of course like everything else it is a matter of degree. If your 4 year-old plays the 3DS 12 hours a day with the 3D on full blast, then, yeah, sure, they might end up with a few problems. But that would probably be true if they were using a DSi or Vita for that long too. And as everyone else has said, you can turn off the 3D anyway. The screen and analog stick are much more significant improvements than the 3D - though unlike many here I do tend to use the 3D more often than not. It makes the graphics "pop" a little even when you aren't playing something with a pronounced 3D effect. Plus there's the street pass, Puzzle Swap, and Miis and all that - something a kid would enjoy very much (these are all reasons to get a 3DS despite the 3D). Though taking 3D pictures is kind of fun too.

As for the whole Vita vs 3DS debate, it all comes down to games you prefer. I have a Vita and have been playing it a lot recently. But I'm actually closing in soon on being "done" with all the games I'd want to play on that system. I'd never be able to do that with the 3DS. Granted, Disgaea 3 and Persona 4 on Vita will take some time. But then again those are the JRPGs that whoknows up there disparages for being a large part of thr 3DS library. Without those existing on the Vita I would have been more hesitant to pick one up.
 
I didn't think it could happen, but this thread has taken a turn for the worse. Yes, 3DS sales royally sucked until they cut the price, which has now gone on to sell 30 MM units worldwide. Colossal failure?, I think not. You can rationalize failure however you want, or put a hard stop on "failure" before the price cut, but ignoring the remaining sales data to date to try to make a point just undermines your position.

NPDs release Thursday. I hope the sales data is great for all systems, healthy competition only encourages more innovation and more titles. I'm not sure why anyone would want any of the systems to fail.
 
Has anyone had problems getting on the Assassins Creed III online servers for mutliplayer last weekend (Wii U version)? I couldn't find a game, and when I did it booted me off (along with everyone else). I kept getting put in "limited mode". It was the first time I booted up ACIII, so I'm left to wonder, is it the Ubisoft servers or is it my Wii U that's the problem?

Also, I'm not using WiFi. I have an Ethernet cable hooked up via USB.
 
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