X-Men 3: The Last Stand Update Thread

[quote name='Grave_Addiction']What really didn't make sense to me is why Jean needed to die. Why couldn't Logan just give her a dose of the cure? Boom, everything would have been fixed, and she could have lived.

That's just another huge plot hole, in my opinion.

If what people have said about a new trilogy coming focusing on the Sentinels and such is true, I have some hope for the franchise. I just hope a better script writer and director is used. And they need to give more time for filming so they don't have to rush certain scenes.

There is no way to justify not showing a Sentinel. Why keep it in the fog and only show a set of headlights and a head?[/QUOTE]

I thought they used the last surviving bit of the "cure" to finish Magneto. Not only that but how boring would it have been if they had taken care of the 2 main "villains" using the exact same methods?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I thought they used the last surviving bit of the "cure" to finish Magneto. Not only that but how boring would it have been if they had taken care of the 2 main "villains" using the exact same methods?[/quote]

Who cares if it would be boring or not? Jean Grey wasn't really a villain anyway. They just wanted to show some stupid internal struggle of Wolverine doing what is right despite his immense feelings for Jean. That is utter crap when you realize how easily the situation could have been resolved.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Who cares if it would be boring or not? Jean Grey wasn't really a villain anyway. They just wanted to show some stupid internal struggle of Wolverine doing what is right despite his immense feelings for Jean. That is utter crap when you realize how easily the situation could have been resolved.[/QUOTE]

You made a big deal about reading the comics...

New X-men #148 pg 30
 
My friends and I liked the movie. We all agreed X2 was better, but this was still good.

So does Magneto make that chess piece wobble at the end?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']She died, but in the same episode the phoenix took a little life from every xman there and she was brought back to life same episode[/QUOTE]

Didn't she die in the comic book?
 
[quote name='seanr1221']My friends and I liked the movie. We all agreed X2 was better, but this was still good.

So does Magneto make that chess piece wobble at the end?[/QUOTE]

I think its a teaser/implication that the "cure" isn't actually permanent.
 
Ok so i was just checking IMDB....at the bottom of the cast list.....OMEGA RED.
please someone tell me where the F he was in that 2 hour crap fest.
 
[quote name='nickmad']Ok so i was just checking IMDB....at the bottom of the cast list.....OMEGA RED.
please someone tell me where the F he was in that 2 hour crap fest.[/quote]

Yeah, I also saw that Jubilee made an appearance, too. I don't remember seeing her, either.
 
[quote name='nickmad']Ok so i was just checking IMDB....at the bottom of the cast list.....OMEGA RED.
please someone tell me where the F he was in that 2 hour crap fest.[/quote]

"Director Brett Ratner stated in an interview for Starlog magazine (issue #345) that Omega Red would appear in the movie X-Men: The Last Stand, but this was later denied by writer Zak Penn.[1] Supposedly Omega Red should have been in the movie, portrayed by Vince Murdocco. Also, a few mutants who joined Magneto's Brotherhood were shown in the film to have tattoos of the Omega Symbol, meaning they belonged to a particular group. This also supports the initial rumours that Omega Red was to be in the film. A similarly named but completely unrelated character, Kid Omega, appears in the movie, played by Ken Leung; however, the character has nothing to do with Omega Red or even the original Kid Omega."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red
 
[quote name='2poor']"Director Brett Ratner stated in an interview for Starlog magazine (issue #345) that Omega Red would appear in the movie X-Men: The Last Stand, but this was later denied by writer Zak Penn.[1] Supposedly Omega Red should have been in the movie, portrayed by Vince Murdocco. Also, a few mutants who joined Magneto's Brotherhood were shown in the film to have tattoos of the Omega Symbol, meaning they belonged to a particular group. This also supports the initial rumours that Omega Red was to be in the film. A similarly named but completely unrelated character, Kid Omega, appears in the movie, played by Ken Leung; however, the character has nothing to do with Omega Red or even the original Kid Omega."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red[/quote]

interesting...thanks.
 
[quote name='Renegade_Zero']my guess is that if he tried to get the cure close it would have been destroyed before even getting anywhere near her.[/QUOTE]

They could've have put it into an adamantium-coated syringe. I kid...but I'm also serious.

[quote name='evanft']Didn't she die in the comic book?[/QUOTE]

Only about 5 or 6 times :D
 
What really didn't make sense to me is why Jean needed to die. Why couldn't Logan just give her a dose of the cure? Boom, everything would have been fixed, and she could have lived.

That's just another huge plot hole, in my opinion.

Weren't you paying attention? Did you see how everything near her was being dissolved? logan had to grow back his skin about a dozen times. The cure wouldn't have made it- nor Leech. Additionally, the cure doesn't seem to last. Not that they'd know that, but would Jean really want to live knowing all that she'd done? I'm glad she doesn't live. The last thing this movie needed was another trite love story with a vomitous happy-happy-guy-gets-girl ending.

If what people have said about a new trilogy coming focusing on the Sentinels and such is true, I have some hope for the franchise. I just hope a better script writer and director is used. And they need to give more time for filming so they don't have to rush certain scenes.

Why is it cool to bash everything mainstream? So they didn't (couldn't) follow the comics 100%. I believe they did a very good job for the immencity of the source material and the time a lotted. Just because they didn't do it how YOU wanted doesn't mean they did a bad job.

There is no way to justify not showing a Sentinel. Why keep it in the fog and only show a set of headlights and a head?

I thought that was a little chincy too. *Blast*blast* *throw* *head on floor* was very lame. However, you have to keep in mind that 1, the movie universe isn't that far yet. The humans don't hate mutants enough yet to unleash giant fucking robots upon the populace. Secondly, they would probably need another 20 minutes to fully explain what the hell that giant robot thingy was, who made it, where it came from, why they where fighting it, etc. Just a head in the danger room is fan service. Fully explaining the Sentinels is a whole other movie. This was just one of those things you're suposed to go, 'hey, that was cool of them to add that in when they didn't have to!'

Would I like them to add more of them in the next movie(s)? Hell yes. But it just wouldn't have been practical for them to be fully introduced when they aren't even that far in the storyline.

Additionally, the less they show of them now, the less they have to change for the next movie. Think about it, why would they have a fully designed sentinel in the Danger Room when they've never even seen one. It would just raise too many questions abotu the movie universe. Think chicken and the mutant egg.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Why is it cool to bash everything mainstream? So they didn't (couldn't) follow the comics 100%. I believe they did a very good job for the immencity of the source material and the time a lotted. Just because they didn't do it how YOU wanted doesn't mean they did a bad job.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Yes, it didn't follow the comics, no, that didn't make it bad. Say what you will about the performances or script unrelated to the source material...but considering I went in to the film with the WORST expectations possible, I was pleasantly surprised. It was kind of nice to know the "rulebook" was out the window when Xavier died.

I'll pick up the DVD.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Indeed. Yes, it didn't follow the comics, no, that didn't make it bad. Say what you will about the performances or script unrelated to the source material...but considering I went in to the film with the WORST expectations possible, I was pleasantly surprised. It was kind of nice to know the "rulebook" was out the window when Xavier died.

I'll pick up the DVD.[/quote]

Ah, but at the end it shows X alive... :cool:
 
[quote name='Kayden']What really didn't make sense to me is why Jean needed to die. Why couldn't Logan just give her a dose of the cure? Boom, everything would have been fixed, and she could have lived.

That's just another huge plot hole, in my opinion.

Weren't you paying attention? Did you see how everything near her was being dissolved? logan had to grow back his skin about a dozen times. The cure wouldn't have made it- nor Leech. Additionally, the cure doesn't seem to last. Not that they'd know that, but would Jean really want to live knowing all that she'd done? I'm glad she doesn't live. The last thing this movie needed was another trite love story with a vomitous happy-happy-guy-gets-girl ending.
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You bring up a great point. Jean wanted Wolverine to kill her even before she killed Professor X. Even at that point she couldn't live with what she had seemingly done to Scott and what she was capable of as the Phoenix. The Jean Grey "part" of her would never had been able to live with the knowledge that she had killed not only the love of her life but also her mentor.
[quote name='Kayden']

If what people have said about a new trilogy coming focusing on the Sentinels and such is true, I have some hope for the franchise. I just hope a better script writer and director is used. And they need to give more time for filming so they don't have to rush certain scenes.

Why is it cool to bash everything mainstream? So they didn't (couldn't) follow the comics 100%. I believe they did a very good job for the immencity of the source material and the time a lotted. Just because they didn't do it how YOU wanted doesn't mean they did a bad job.
[/QUOTE]

Quite simply, it would be impossible to follow the comics 100%. There's just too much backstory to encompass everything. Hell, even the comics have difficulty keeping their backstories straight and have everything fit together perfectly.

There were 2 key scenes in the movie that were actually a part of an X-men story from a couple years ago called Planet X. The Golden Gate bridge scene and Wolverine stabbing Jean with his claws were both scenes in that storyline that were featured prominently in the movie. The danger room sequence at the beginning is a nod to the very famous X-men storyline Days of Future Past.

The story in the movie is largely new but it does include elements from the comic books to make up parts of the story. Its no different with any other comic book movie, they make a mostly original story but try to incorporate elements from previous stories that have occurred in the comics. Spider-man 2's storyline has even less elements from the comic books than what X-men 3 did and yet no one bitches about that.

Ever since Bret Ratner was announced as the new director of X-men 3 people have been pissed. They didn't want to give this movie a chance and therefore when they finally saw it they nitpicked every little thing about it. For some reason Bryan Singer is seen as the "god" of X-men movies and I think that's absolute bullshit. He did a good job with the first 2 but it was his decision to turn his back on X-men 3 by taking the job of directing Superman Returns. The producers had to choose someone quickly to replace him because if they had put off making X-men 3 too long no one would have been interested. When you're dealing with sequels its important to make sure that the original movie(s) are fresh in people's minds or they won't even consider seeing it.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Ah, but at the end it shows X alive... :cool:[/QUOTE]

Not really. It shows Xavier's consciousness is alive in a different physical body. Xavier might still be alive, but the mutant he was should be gone. After all, the powers come from a biological mutation; unless that mutation can be trasferred though a psychic body swap, Xavier is not the mutant he used to be.

Which means he's either human or, if his new body has the mutant gene, a completely different mutant...

Professor X is gone (shy of the mathematically improbable scenario of that body having the exact same mutant powers as X...).
 
[quote name='Callandor']Not really. It shows Xavier's consciousness is alive in a different physical body. Xavier might still be alive, but the mutant he was should be gone. After all, the powers come from a biological mutation; unless that mutation can be trasferred though a psychic body swap, Xavier is not the mutant he used to be.

Which means he's either human or, if his new body has the mutant gene, a completely different mutant...

Professor X is gone (shy of the mathematically improbable scenario of that body having the exact same mutant powers as X...).[/QUOTE]well, what I figured is that the body they showed in the extra scene was his real body, but he had thrown his conciousness into someone else's and taken it over.

Remember how he mentioned the ethics of such a jump in the beginning?
 
His inteligence wasn't his mutant power. His compassion wasn't his mental power. He didn't need to read minds to inspire hope. :cool:

[quote name='Callandor']Not really. It shows Xavier's consciousness is alive in a different physical body. Xavier might still be alive, but the mutant he was should be gone. After all, the powers come from a biological mutation; unless that mutation can be trasferred though a psychic body swap, Xavier is not the mutant he used to be.

Which means he's either human or, if his new body has the mutant gene, a completely different mutant...

Professor X is gone (shy of the mathematically improbable scenario of that body having the exact same mutant powers as X...).[/quote]
 
Reality's Fringe;1922859 said:
X4 (if there is one) needs Mr. Siinister. You know you want it.
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Oh hell yeah, I do.

And about Jean dying. My only problem with it is that she died in two out of the three movies, and I think that cheapens the resurrection from the first death.

Much like saving Trinity and the end of Matrix Reloaded loses almost all of its impact when she dies anyway the next movie.
 
I think they've already got a great setup for Mr. Sinister in X-men 4. Mr. Sinister has always had a history with Cyclops. Maybe the X-men never found Cyclop's body because Mr. Sinister is nursing him back to health?
 
I wish they would have skiped the entire Phoenix bit in the latest movie and saved it to be done right in a later installment. If they would have focused on the cure I would have been fine with the movie. Cyclops could have gone off to be by himself just like he did in the comics and Jean could have stayed at the bottom of the lake.

Don't get me wrong I still would have nitpicked on a few things, but I would have enjoyed it. Jean, Rogue, and Cyclops treatment in the movie are the 3 things that pissed me off the most...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I think they've already got a great setup for Mr. Sinister in X-men 4. Mr. Sinister has always had a history with Cyclops. Maybe the X-men never found Cyclop's body because Mr. Sinister is nursing him back to health?[/quote]

That is the greatest thing I've heard said about X3 yet. And it makes me feel good inside.
 
[quote name='evanft']I pray they somehow bring Jean back and do the Dark Phoenix Saga.[/QUOTE]


They just did the Dark Phoenix thing so they arent going to do it again. At least not for another 20 years.
 
Posted this over on Newsarama after seeing that X-men 3 made at least $120 million over the weekend. Some people are saying $120 million means that it didnt suck. This was my simple response:



$102,543,518 Daredevil
$107,325,195 Batman & Robin
$120,177,084 Van Helsing
$128,200,012 Robots
$132,177,234 Hulk
$136,314,294 Godzilla
$138,608,444 Bad Boys II
$186,740,799 The Day After Tomorrow
$302,191,252 Star Wars Episode 2
$380,270,577 Star Wars Episode 3
$431,088,301 Star Wars Episode 1
$600,788,188 Titanic

Money ≠Quality
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Posted this over on Newsarama after seeing that X-men 3 made at least $120 million over the weekend. Some people are saying $120 million means that it didnt suck. This was my simple response:



$102,543,518 Daredevil
$107,325,195 Batman & Robin
$120,177,084 Van Helsing
$128,200,012 Robots
$132,177,234 Hulk
$136,314,294 Godzilla
$138,608,444 Bad Boys II
$186,740,799 The Day After Tomorrow
$302,191,252 Star Wars Episode 2
$380,270,577 Star Wars Episode 3
$431,088,301 Star Wars Episode 1
$600,788,188 Titanic

Money ≠Quality[/QUOTE]

Oh give it a rest already.

What about the poll on Newsarama where the majority of the people responding liked it?

Only 15% were disappointed (2 stars) and 9% thought it was a disaster(1 star).
 
You think it sucks. We get the point.

They will obviously do something with Cyclops. Jean said "I think I killed Scott". They also had a scene with Storm finding Scott's body, but they cut it from the final film. There's bound to be a reason.
 
[quote name='Scorch']You think it sucks. We get the point.

They will obviously do something with Cyclops. Jean said "I think I killed Scott". They also had a scene with Storm finding Scott's body, but they cut it from the final film. There's bound to be a reason.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I could have sworn in one of the previews it showed Scott laying on the ground by the lake. That was what started everyone to say that he got killed and that it was his funeral in the preview.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Oh give it a rest already.

What about the poll on Newsarama where the majority of the people responding liked it?

Only 15% were disappointed (2 stars) and 9% thought it was a disaster(1 star).[/quote]

What about Rotten Tomatoes giving it a %55? Going by the Newsarama poll, %46 of the voters thought it was either just passable or crap. When your only nearing %50 of people actually enjoying something, the quality of the picture comes into question.

The movie was a flawed, rushed product that could have been made MUCH better if the producer wasnt a complete duchebag (among other resons).

And scorch, go fuck yourself.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']What do you guys think was good about the movie?[/QUOTE]

It was an enjoyable experience, plain and simple. Could it have been better? Probably. Could it have been worse? Most definetly.

Its like one of my friends said, you don't go to comic book movies for an academy award winning movie. You go to see some fun action sequences and cool super powers. The scene where Magneto lifts the Golden Gate bridge was one of my favorites from a comic book movie. From seeing the bridge actually moving through the air all the way to the image of Magneto floating above it just gave it a cool experience. Ice-man turning into his ice form was also an equally awesome part of the movie. I could go on but frankly I'm not going to waste my breath because the people who hated the movie are stuck in that frame of mind and it won't matter what I say anyway.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']What do you guys think was good about the movie?[/quote]

Young Xavier/Magneto
Magneto squishing cars
Logan lighting his cigar on a burning car
Madrox
Scott getting it
Ice-Man as an ice-man (too damn short)

Thats about it.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Its like one of my friends said, you don't go to comic book movies for an academy award winning movie.[/quote]

That's really sad. "Pander to me"
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']What do you guys think was good about the movie?[/QUOTE]Storm was much, much better than the last two times out. Beast was fairly well done. Even less Cyclops than last time.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Young Xavier/Magneto
Magneto squishing cars
Logan lighting his cigar on a burning car
Madrox
Scott getting it
Ice-Man as an ice-man (too damn short)

Thats about it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Young Magneto looked funny.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']What about Rotten Tomatoes giving it a %55? Going by the Newsarama poll, %46 of the voters thought it was either just passable or crap. When your only nearing %50 of people actually enjoying something, the quality of the picture comes into question.

The movie was a flawed, rushed product that could have been made MUCH better if the producer wasnt a complete duchebag (among other resons).

And scorch, go fuck yourself.[/QUOTE]

First off, getting over 50% on Rotten Tomatoes actually puts the movie above quite a few others. In fact, of the "summer blockbusters", X-men 3 at this point is one of the highest rated according to Rotten Tomatoes. MI3 is at 70% right now making it pretty much the highest. Rotten Tomatoes is a horrible way to rate movies because there's far too much discretion in the rating system and how a rating is applied to the percentage score rotten tomatoes gives.

Now, as far as the Newsarama poll:
5 Stars: The Best X-movie yet... Totally blown away- 15.5%
4 Stars: Thumbs Up for a Worthy Sequel. Very Good.- 38.57%
3 Stars: Average - Not That Good, Not That Bad. An Okay Time at the Movies. -22.65%
2 Stars: Frankly Disappointing. Coulda/Shoulda Been Better. - 14.98%
1 Star: Egads! What Has Ratner Done? An X-Disaster. - 8.64%

Where you get that 46% from is beyond me because the 3 star rating doesn't say anything about being "just passable". What it says is an okay time at the movies. What more do expect from a comic book movie? 3 stars and above add up to 76.72%. I'd say that's pretty high considering Newsarama is a site just slightly above gamefaqs where comic book whinies sit around and bitch about EVERYTHING.

Like I said before, you wanted the movie to suck from the moment the announced Brett Ratner as the replacement director because Bryan Singer's dick-move to turn his back on Fox and the X-men franchise. Of course you wouldn't find it to be at least an average movie because that would go against everything you've been saying for the last year.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']That's really sad. "Pander to me"[/QUOTE]
What's sad about that?

Arguably the 2 best comic book movies Batman Begins and Spider-man 2 would be absolutely laughed out of the academy awards. They're great comic book movies but they don't hold a candle to most academy award nominees let-alone award winners.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']What's sad about that?

Arguably the 2 best comic book movies Batman Begins and Spider-man 2 would be absolutely laughed out of the academy awards. They're great comic book movies but they don't hold a candle to most academy award nominees let-alone award winners.[/QUOTE] Spider-Man 2? :lol:

And Batman Begins was way better than Crash, if you ask me. :lol:
 
That X-Men Secret Ending!
http://superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4307
If you're one of the kajillion people who saw X-Men: The Last Stand this past weekend and the smaller percentage of them those who stayed all the way through the end credits for the secret last scene, than you might be interested in knowing more about it.

If not, then MAJOR SPOILERS!

Of course, that ending gives an update on the status of one of the primary characters who died during the movie, that being Professor Charles Xavier, as played by Patrick Stewart, and director Brett Ratner told Superhero Hype! how that bit came about and how they were able to be keep it such a big secret:

"Yeah, the studio didn't even know I did it," Ratner chortled. "I didn't even put it on the schedule. I shot in between set-ups, just went over there and shot it, and then I showed it to the studio and they went 'Oh My God, we love that!' because it keeps Xavier. Look, in the last one, Jean Grey died and then I saw her on the first day of shooting X3, so nobody dies in these movies? What the hell are they talking about?"

"I was aware of three endings for this movie, all under different circumstances," confirmed Patrick Stewart when asked about it. "There was the ending in the script, which we all saw. There was a scene, which I shot in the hospital bed, in the first days of filming. It never appeared on paper, there was no call for it, it was never documented, this scene. It never got shot. In other words, we sneaked it in after lunch one day and there were not many people on the set. It was a cut-down crew, and it was all done very hurriedly because they stuck a beard on me over lunch and we shot it. Then Ian called me a few weeks ago and said, 'You won't believe this but they're coming to London and they're going to shoot the final scene of the movie,' which is of course is of interest to me. He said, 'I'm playing chess' and of course I wanted to know, 'Who with?' and he said, 'They won't tell me' but of course there's no one there at all. Last night, when I sat down to watch the movie for the first time I had no idea how this was going to be resolved. We were all on our feet leaving during the credits when someone from Fox said, 'You should sit down. It's not over yet.' I couldn't imagine what that meant and then sure enough, there was this little hospital scene, which is hinted at in the video I play in the class, about a man who had terminal cancer and you can transfer somebody's consciousness into him. Something I missed last night is that Olivia Williams, who plays Moira [McTaggert], is in the memorial scene. I missed her, but in fact she is."

Unfortunately, a lot of people might have missed this scene or couldn't wait until the end of the credits. "Let them come back and see the movie again," Ratner said in his usual "no bullsh*t" manner.

X-Men: The Last Stand is still playing in theatres everywhere.
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[quote name='WebScud']That X-Men Secret Ending!
http://superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4307[/QUOTE]

I think there were 3 major reasons why this could end up not being the last movie of the series.

1)No body for Scott
2)Magneto moving the chess piece
3)Xavier after the credits
4)Mucho dinero for opening weekend. There isn't anything big opening this weekend aside from the Breakup, so there is the possibility of it being #1 again.
 
Incredibles won 2 Academy Awards, and was nominated for 4.

Lord of the Rings, Return of the King won 11.

Yes, I believe at some point they should win awards.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Incredibles won 2 Academy Awards, and was nominated for 4.

Lord of the Rings, Return of the King won 11.

Yes, I believe at some point they should win awards.[/QUOTE]

Lord of the Rings is a comic book movie?
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Lord of the Rings is a comic book movie?[/quote]

More or less I was saying that even the most far fetched of fantasy tales can win awards.
 
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