X-Men 3: The Last Stand Update Thread

The thing i hated most about this movie is that everyone aparently are strangers.

Juggs doesnt acknowladge that Prof X is his half brothers. Rouge doesnt acknowladge....well pretty much 99% of her char. C-los doesnt acknowladge that he has a sisters (which is the ONLY thing he every cared about...making money to send to his sister) Storm barely uses her powers.


This movie literaly is a bunch of strangers just running around.

Also to the people who said that beast was done really well...how? How could you mess up beast..he does pretty much nothing through out the whole movie but stand and talk. At the end when he fights its nothing but CG. Also i love how at the end of the movie when they are all fighting it was just generic mutant after generic mutant. For one i hostenly dont think Logan/strom/kitty/C-los/beat/iceman could take one a hundred million mutants all at the same time.

I also agree with whoever said this there was no central bad guy. The cure'ish Mags'ish the phoenix'ish. All of that just made be not care about what was going on.


Again......Hugh Jackman 9/10

X3. -2432423423 out of ten.



Also........did anyone notice how right when they got to the island when mags use the bridge to "fly" there....DAY TURNED TO NIGHT IN THE SHOT!!?!?!? That had be cracking up....one second its broad daylight...the next its 12 o clock midnight.
 
[quote name='karsh']It's bad that the single thing that bugged me the most was how misrepresented Psylocke was. I mean, yeah she has the whole meld into shadow things, but that's not her main power at all. I came out of the theater feeling sorry for people who will only know Psylocke through the movie, cause she's always been one of my favorite characters in the X-Men universe.[/quote]


What the you talking about? Pslocke only had a 3 second scene throught out the whole movie. I went with 4 other x-men buffs and 2 of them didnt even noticed she was in the moive.
 
You could know shit about X-Men and the plot would stoll be a jumbled mess. Luckily I had a free movie pass, so the only thing I lost was time. Still feel cheated, though.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']What the you talking about? Pslocke only had a 3 second scene throught out the whole movie. I went with 4 other x-men buffs and 2 of them didnt even noticed she was in the moive.[/quote]
That's exactly what I meant. There had been a decent amount of noise about Psylocke being in the movie and in the end all she was was basically a three second scene where she seemed like an evil bitch. Plus she didn't get to use her psy-blades.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
Also........did anyone notice how right when they got to the island when mags use the bridge to "fly" there....DAY TURNED TO NIGHT IN THE SHOT!!?!?!? That had be cracking up....one second its broad daylight...the next its 12 o clock midnight.[/quote]

Yeah that bugged the hell out of me. Look now that we are going to fight it automatically became night time.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']So what was the clip at the end of the credits for?[/QUOTE]

I didn't stay to watch. Their was a clip?
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']I didn't stay to watch. Their was a clip?[/QUOTE]

Yea there was there is a description on the 10th page.
 
I have a scenario to pose to everyone: Let's say they wanted to retcon X3 out of existance and do a Dark Phoenix film(s). How should they go about doing it? Obviously, all the goofy space alien stuff has to be cut out, so how do you explain the Phoenix Force's existance? Do you parallel it with another story, or leave it on it's own?

What I would do:

1. I would likely just skip over the "Phoenix is TEH GOOD!!111" part, and get right into "Phoenix=PURE EEEEEVIIIIIIIL". It would likely work better in a movie that way. I would probably sprinkle elements of the original saga throughout the telling of the dark saga, though.

2. For the origin of the Phoenix Force, I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd probably do something like the Phoenix Force inhabits the psionic dimension of the universe and is therefore really everywhere and nowhere. Being in the psionic universe, it has no way of entering the real universe except through a host. Due to her extremely high connection with the psionic realm, The Phoenix Force latched onto Jean Grey at the psionic level at an early age and she has been aware, at least on some level, for a very long time. She has learned how to prevent the force from coming out when she is usually using her powers, but whenever she utilizes the full range of her powers she has to break down the barrier between the psionic and material universe. Naturally, if this goes on for an extended period of time and Jean Grey becomes weak enough (see how I'm fitting the lake story in there?), the Phoenix Force can enter Jean and take control.

3. I have no clue how to handle the whole "Going to a star and blowing it up and then space alein want to kill the phoenix" aspect of the story. Maybe have her kill an entire country and maybe make the Hellfire Club a group that controls mutants that are too powerful and out of control, like somone possessed by the Phoenix?
 
I didn't think the movie was bad, but I don't read the comics. I thought it was on par with the other X men movies. Action, fairly dumb plot, and one liners.

I watched a few of the cartoon episodes back when I was little, and I"m still waiting for Gambit to pop up. They can't end the movie storyline until he makes an appearance.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']It was entertaining.

I enjoyed it.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU. Pages of hate - I thought it was a great movie. Half the people are bitching about stuff they changed from the comics...GET OVER IT. It was a good movie on its own merits. There were some bad dialogue moments, but overall, it was entertaining. Not the greatest movie ever, but still a good movie. 7.5/10.
 
[quote name='SilverPaw750']THANK YOU. Pages of hate - I thought it was a great movie. Half the people are bitching about stuff they changed from the comics...GET OVER IT. It was a good movie on its own merits. There were some bad dialogue moments, but overall, it was entertaining. Not the greatest movie ever, but still a good movie. 7.5/10.[/quote]
As mentioned before, the people who hate things are far more likely to post about it. I loved it too. Nowhere near as good as X2, but I liked it better than X-Men. Definitely an entertaining movie. 8/10 for me.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You, more than anyone I knew, went into it almost wanting it to suck though. Of course you were disappointed, you wanted to be.[/quote]

Not true. Everything leading up to the movie from the change of directors to the constant script re-writes (and upping Storms part) made me expect a bad movie. I actually WANTED a good movie though.

Much like the Sony E3 confrence, I went into it with low expectations with the ball completely in thier court hoping to be blown away/pleased/not angry...and they dropped the ball.
 
[quote name='karsh']As mentioned before, the people who hate things are far more likely to post about it. I loved it too. Nowhere near as good as X2, but I liked it better than X-Men. Definitely an entertaining movie. 8/10 for me.[/QUOTE]

I really want to like the movie, but I'm just being honest. The first two were very enjoyable. Bottom line if you read the comics you'll probably not like it, and if you don't read them, you'll enjoy it.

For those who liked it, what made it good? I did like the introduction of some new mutants (even though some were lame.) and unlike most people, I liked Juggernaut.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']I really want to like the movie, but I'm just being honest. The first two were very enjoyable. Bottom line if you read the comics you'll probably not like it, and if you don't read them, you'll enjoy it.

For those who liked it, what made it good? I did like the introduction of some new mutants (even though some were lame.) and unlike most people, I liked Juggernaut.[/quote]
I've loved the comics since back in the 80's, so not all comic lovers will hate the movie. Hell, all three people I went with are huge X-Men fans (comics and everything) and we all enjoyed it.

I'll admit there were some problems, such as having a few too many mutants for the amount of time the movie lasted. That's why it seemed like mutants like Psylocke and Angel got the shaft if you ask me. Plus I'm still pissed about
Cyclops dying
. However, there were a lot of things I loved. Hugh was absolutely AWESOME as Wolverine. He's really grown in the role as the movies went on. Also, I liked Juggs, though I think they coulda done his helmet a little better. Beast was pretty damn good for the stuff he was used for, especially in the non-combat stuff that Kelsey did. Finally, I absolutely marked out for the part where Bobby iced up in his fight with Pyro. Plus Aaron Stanford almost seems like he was born to play Pyro. I never liked Pyro in the comics, but Stanford made me absolutely love him in X2 and X3. I wish there was a bit more expounding on the characters, especially poor Warren, but overall I came out thoroughly entertained.
 
karsh - I said probably wouldn't like it, of course I can't speak for everyone. The only reason I say that, is the majority of true X-Men fans I've talked to are disapointed. I went with some people too, a couple read comics like I do, and they didn't like it either. The only one who liked it was my wife, and she's not a comic book geek like me.

I respect your opinion and I'm glad that some people thought it was a good movie, but some of your positive points of the movie are debatable also. Hugh is good as Wolvie, and some of the little things you mentioned (Bobby iced up) just don't add up to make a good X-Men movie. In fact since Hugh was so good they focus more on him who steals the show once again.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']karsh - I said probably wouldn't like it, of course I can't speak for everyone. The only reason I say that, is the majority of true X-Men fans I've talked to are disapointed. I went with some people too, a couple read comics like I do, and they didn't like it either. The only one who liked it was my wife, and she's not a comic book geek like me.

I respect your opinion and I'm glad that some people thought it was a good movie, but some of your positive points of the movie are debatable also. Hugh is good as Wolvie, and some of the little things you mentioned (Bobby iced up) just don't add up to make a good X-Men movie. In fact since Hugh was so good they focus more on him who steals the show once again.[/quote]

But think about this...Even in the comics there's always been more of a focus on Wolverine. Hell, he's currently on the X-Men AND the Avengers at the same time. It's not just that they focus on him cause Hugh is so good, it's cause Wolverine has unfortunately become like the mascot character in a way for Marvel for some people. And I almost thought for a decent part Beast stole the show.
 
I saw it and I liked it. My biggest complaint is that some of the characters needed more screen time. They could of easily added more minutes to this film.

I also hated (again) how Cyclops was treated in this movie.

I can't really blame the director for this though. I think its the managing of 20 Century Fox that caused a lot of problems for this flick..
 
I just got back from it and thought it was fucking awesome.

I'm not a hardcore X-Men fan, but I always used to watch the cartoon growing up. I've read up on a lot of the characters backstories through things like Wiki. I'd like to read all the old comics, but I lack the time, funds and space to accomplish that.

Anyone expecting a movie to follow any comic is a fucking idiot fanboy. You have to be realistic. Its not possible to fit decades of backstory into a 2 hour movie. PERIOD. If you want every intricacy intact, go read the hundreds upon hundreds of comics over again. Hollywood doesn't want to kiss your ass and throw in parallel universes and intergalactic aliens and clones and genetic super babies from the future. They will however, be more than willing to make a reasonable facisimilie of the characters involved and put them into an easy to digest movie that will appeal to mass market that hasn't read years of comic books to understand every minute detail of the movie. ... *whew*

If the fanboys weren't so damn busy going, "OMG LOGAN IS ONLY 5'4"!!!!! HUGH IS OVER 6!!!!! FOX R SUCK!1111!!" they might actually be able to see that he did a great job being an angry, mouthy, rough and tumble- yet very proud and loving- fighter type guy. A damn building almost lands on him and all he has to say is that was his last cigar. That beats a short hairy guy in yellow spandex with a queer hat any day.

***

Oh shit... who is that in the hospital bed!?!?!!!!

I forgot the ending was fucking awesome too. "*Stare*... *stare*.... *point*... ....*wiggle*" It was awesome. Just... awesome. That one little 10 second scene gave more hope and other good feeling... things... than all the other endings combined.
 
Hi, I didn't know if I should make a new thread for this, so I decided I should just post this here:
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html

So apparently, the 3 part 'trilogy' just wrapped one up part of the overall X-men story.
So I'm assuming Sentinels and an escalating war with humans is next?

[quote name='whoknows']Uh...whats going on? I cant hear/make out what they are saying, so some clarification would be nice :)[/quote] If you've seen the movie, I can PM you the details of the significance of the last scene. I don't know how to do the hidden spoiler dealie.
 
[quote name='invinceable104']Hi, I didn't know if I should make a new thread for this, so I decided I should just post this here:
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html

So apparently, the 3 part 'trilogy' just wrapped one up part of the overall X-men story.
So I'm assuming Sentinels and an escalating war with humans is next?

If you've seen the movie, I can PM you the details of the significance of the last scene. I don't know how to do the hidden spoiler dealie.[/quote]

Like it matters. This is like the 6th page, anyone thats come this far has probably seen the movie. If not... they suck. :lol: but if you wanna know how, its [ SPOILER ][ /SPOILER ] or the little :whistle2:$ guy in the advanced editor.
 
This was complete and utter bullshit.

The movie blew big time, and I left being more pissed off than I ever have in a movie.

They pissed on the X-Men universe and underused so many characters it's not even funny.

I think Hugh Jackman is a douche bag as Wolverine. First off, he seems way too calm and not crazy enough. Secondly, I've always been upset that he's never worn his mask. He needs to wear his yellow and black suit badly.

And where was Nightcrawler? He stole the show in X2, and I was really looking forward to seeing him, but they acted as if he never existed. I was really disappointed that he wasn't in the movie.

It just seemed throughout the movie, the X-Men barely were able to use their powers. Sure, Storm blew away some fog every now and then, but they really didn't get to do too much until the end, and even then, I thought Magneto's guys outshined them big time.

This movie is by far the worst in the series and one of the worst movies I've seen in my life.
 
Well, Nightcrawler's absence is explained in the game for X3, but it was really cause Alan Cumming absolutely HATED the makeup procedure every morning.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I just got back from it and thought it was fucking awesome.

I'm not a hardcore X-Men fan, but I always used to watch the cartoon growing up. I've read up on a lot of the characters backstories through things like Wiki. I'd like to read all the old comics, but I lack the time, funds and space to accomplish that.

Anyone expecting a movie to follow any comic is a fucking idiot fanboy. You have to be realistic. Its not possible to fit decades of backstory into a 2 hour movie. PERIOD. If you want every intricacy intact, go read the hundreds upon hundreds of comics over again. Hollywood doesn't want to kiss your ass and throw in parallel universes and intergalactic aliens and clones and genetic super babies from the future. They will however, be more than willing to make a reasonable facisimilie of the characters involved and put them into an easy to digest movie that will appeal to mass market that hasn't read years of comic books to understand every minute detail of the movie. ... *whew*

If the fanboys weren't so damn busy going, "OMG LOGAN IS ONLY 5'4"!!!!! HUGH IS OVER 6!!!!! FOX R SUCK!1111!!" they might actually be able to see that he did a great job being an angry, mouthy, rough and tumble- yet very proud and loving- fighter type guy. A damn building almost lands on him and all he has to say is that was his last cigar. That beats a short hairy guy in yellow spandex with a queer hat any day.

***

Oh shit... who is that in the hospital bed!?!?!!!!

I forgot the ending was fucking awesome too. "*Stare*... *stare*.... *point*... ....*wiggle*" It was awesome. Just... awesome. That one little 10 second scene gave more hope and other good feeling... things... than all the other endings combined.[/QUOTE]

Well fuck you. They dropped a deuce on the Dark Phoenix Saga, which is one of, if not the greatest X-Men story ever told.
 
[quote name='evanft']Well fuck you. They dropped a deuce on the Dark Phoenix Saga, which is one of, if not the greatest X-Men story ever told.[/quote]

At least it didn't have the mother fucking Shi'Ar, the single most annoying race in the X-Men universe.
 
[quote name='karsh']At least it didn't have the mother fucking Shi'Ar, the single most annoying race in the X-Men universe.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'll give em that. :D
 
Oh lookie! More blind fanboys! :roll:

Do you really expect them to go on an entire tangent about how she dies, but doesn't really die and winds up in space trying to destroy the universe? Mean while, back on earth theres a clone made of Jean that gets married to Scott. The Phoenix comes back and tries to kill everyone but then gets made good and then they get rid of the clone and Scotts all glad to have the real jean back... Do you really thing they could fit ALL THAT into one movie? You're bitching about how little you see of everyone now and how rushed it was. Can you imagine how rushed it'd be if they tried to fit that massive ark into one movie? Then you'd really have a right to bitch about screen time for other characters because all there'd be time for would be Jean Jean Jean Jean and Jean.

So they made a feasible Hollywood rewrite. Jeans powers are too strong for her to control. The repressed parts got angry and more powerful until they broke out and Jean snapped. It explains her survival and why she wants to kill everyone.

I think Hugh Jackman is a douche bag as Wolverine. First off, he seems way too calm and not crazy enough. Secondly, I've always been upset that he's never worn his mask. He needs to wear his yellow and black suit badly.

You really don't get it do you? A feral psycopath running around in yellow and black/brown spandex would do nothing more than make wolverine the biggest joke in the movie. Bright colors and outrageous costumes work in comic books. Maybe because the crowd is more accepting or maybe because you only have to seem them one frame at a time. However, I totally agree with their move to give everyone the same suit because people would be wondering how the mutants are supposed to get taken seriously when they're running aorund half naked in neon latex body suits. Did you notice how everyones suit was different though? Wolverine's had yellow trim, Iceman had white/blue and I think Colosus had red.

Are you guys also pissed off that rouge was only 17ish? Or how about the fact that she can't fly and doesn't have super strength? I'm willing to bet you'd still be whining if she had those powers because they would probably have just made them her base powers and not talk about her killing someone to get them. Even if they did, you would still bitch because they didn't go into enough detail and give Ms. Marvel enough screen time.

I'm surpised you guys aren't pissing and moaning about how none of the girls have 38HHH tits! Some comic conventions just look rediculous when applied to real life. Some story lines are just too incredulous for the main stream- which is exactly who they have to target to have this movie rake in money so they can make sequels. You don't want any more sequels, then you don't have to watch them.
[quote name='evanft']Well fuck you. They dropped a deuce on the Dark Phoenix Saga, which is one of, if not the greatest X-Men story ever told.[/quote] [quote name='Grave_Addiction']This was complete and utter bullshit.

The movie blew big time, and I left being more pissed off than I ever have in a movie.

They pissed on the X-Men universe and underused so many characters it's not even funny.

I think Hugh Jackman is a douche bag as Wolverine. First off, he seems way too calm and not crazy enough. Secondly, I've always been upset that he's never worn his mask. He needs to wear his yellow and black suit badly.

And where was Nightcrawler? He stole the show in X2, and I was really looking forward to seeing him, but they acted as if he never existed. I was really disappointed that he wasn't in the movie.

It just seemed throughout the movie, the X-Men barely were able to use their powers. Sure, Storm blew away some fog every now and then, but they really didn't get to do too much until the end, and even then, I thought Magneto's guys outshined them big time.

This movie is by far the worst in the series and one of the worst movies I've seen in my life.[/quote]
 
[quote name='invinceable104']Hi, I didn't know if I should make a new thread for this, so I decided I should just post this here:
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html

So apparently, the 3 part 'trilogy' just wrapped one up part of the overall X-men story.
So I'm assuming Sentinels and an escalating war with humans is next?

If you've seen the movie, I can PM you the details of the significance of the last scene. I don't know how to do the hidden spoiler dealie.[/QUOTE]

The introduction of Moira McTaggart and the final "urgent" 'scene after the credits lead me to believe that Proteus will be involved in X4.
 
Going to agree with Kayden on alot of his points... remember, this movie was made for a general movie audience, and there are about 10 - 20 million more movie fans then there are X-Men fans.

The only thing I still don't like is that there really hasn't been a good villain of epic mutant proportions since Magneto in X-Men 1... the X-Men have some awesome powers, but they never get a villain to use them against.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Oh lookie! More blind fanboys! :roll:

Do you really expect them to go on an entire tangent about how she dies, but doesn't really die and winds up in space trying to destroy the universe? Mean while, back on earth theres a clone made of Jean that gets married to Scott. The Phoenix comes back and tries to kill everyone but then gets made good and then they get rid of the clone and Scotts all glad to have the real jean back... Do you really thing they could fit ALL THAT into one movie? You're bitching about how little you see of everyone now and how rushed it was. Can you imagine how rushed it'd be if they tried to fit that massive ark into one movie? Then you'd really have a right to bitch about screen time for other characters because all there'd be time for would be Jean Jean Jean Jean and Jean.

So they made a feasible Hollywood rewrite. Jeans powers are too strong for her to control. The repressed parts got angry and more powerful until they broke out and Jean snapped. It explains her survival and why she wants to kill everyone.[/quote]

Yes I do.

[quote name='Kayden']I think Hugh Jackman is a douche bag as Wolverine. First off, he seems way too calm and not crazy enough. Secondly, I've always been upset that he's never worn his mask. He needs to wear his yellow and black suit badly.

You really don't get it do you? A feral psycopath running around in yellow and black/brown spandex would do nothing more than make wolverine the biggest joke in the movie. Bright colors and outrageous costumes work in comic books. Maybe because the crowd is more accepting or maybe because you only have to seem them one frame at a time. However, I totally agree with their move to give everyone the same suit because people would be wondering how the mutants are supposed to get taken seriously when they're running aorund half naked in neon latex body suits. Did you notice how everyones suit was different though? Wolverine's had yellow trim, Iceman had white/blue and I think Colosus had red. [/quote]

So having a psychotic scientist who trapes around in a green suit riding a flying table while throwing bombs at innocent people and calls himself the Green Goblin totally ruined Spiderman didn't it?

Or having Superman and Batman wear spandex or bright colors really trashed those franchises, too, eh?

Wolverine's suit isn't that big a deal, but they continually watered down everything about Logan throughout the series. Don't you remember how out of control Sabretooth was? Yeah, that is exactly how Wolverine is supposed to be only slightly less psycho. He's supposed to be a no-nonsense, balls-to-the-wall badass who only shows affection to Jean Grey and Jubilee.

What they have done to Wolverine is make him the blunt of jokes and give him stupid one-liners that make him look ridiculous. It's a shame.

[quote name='Kayden']Are you guys also pissed off that rouge was only 17ish? Or how about the fact that she can't fly and doesn't have super strength? I'm willing to bet you'd still be whining if she had those powers because they would probably have just made them her base powers and not talk about her killing someone to get them. Even if they did, you would still bitch because they didn't go into enough detail and give Ms. Marvel enough screen time.[/quote]

Rogue is another character they have immensely underused. She does have super strength and the ability to fly, yet they don't use her correctly.

[quote name='Kayden']I'm surpised you guys aren't pissing and moaning about how none of the girls have 38HHH tits! Some comic conventions just look rediculous when applied to real life. Some story lines are just too incredulous for the main stream- which is exactly who they have to target to have this movie rake in money so they can make sequels. You don't want any more sequels, then you don't have to watch them.[/quote]

Now you're just being a cocksmith.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Rogue is another character they have immensely underused. She does have super strength and the ability to fly, yet they don't use her correctly.[/quote]
I didn't know Rogue at 17 as she is in the movie managed to go drain Ms. Mavel and get her powers ;)
 
Don't read if you haven't watched the film yet.

This film was really an insult to the entire well-developed franchise. I don't understand the argument that "if you don't read the comics, you'll like the film." Why? Because you like badly written screenplays that offer no real conflict, development, or closure and instead is filled with fragmented story-telling and random, derivative deaths?

For the record, I am a comic fan and I am aware of the story. Yes, this film delivers some horrible atrocities against the X-Universe. Yes, they kill off important characters. But I'm not going crazy because of what they change. I'm going crazy because of how weak everything was. Honestly, did anyone else feel like laughing when they showed the three tombstones at the end? It had to be joke; The producers must have had the mentality that the more deaths you have, the more impacted the audience is. The problem is you have to earn those emotional reactions and this film was just an insult.

And how did the cure plot get resolved? There was absolutely zero resolution as Leech continued on as normal and there was no indication of whether or not it was permament or temporary. Sure, magneto pushed a chess piece a bit but that indicates nothing. Otherwise, why even bother showing Rogue and her lost powers to the cure if the cure is now pointless? The way that mutant after mutant randomly lost their powers was akin to the way that so many just dropped dead.

And as a minor example of this film's total lack of closure, look at Angel. He goes through a minor arc of having a father who may or may not love his son, but he wants him to be cured of his mutant "disease." At the end of the film, Angel saves his dad. What a touching moment, right? I mean, Angel was able to overcome his hatred for his dad and ultimately save him...well maybe he didn't hate his dad...maybe he always loved him. I'm not too sure because the film never went there. And how did his dad now feel about his son after being saved by him? Does he now repent and feel the mutant cure to be unnecesaray? Or does he instead still dislike his son's powers but still love his son? Or maybe he hates his son and his powers and wants to decimate the entire mutant and human population as we know it - all while wearing a little white dress. We don't know. The film never bothers to show us. Instead, like so many other instances, they try and have an emotionally impactful scene but lack the character development needed to truly follow through with it.
 
The people behind me were actually crying at the end.

As for the 'cure'. Who knows. Maybe its only permanent if you want it to be. Magneto spent his life embracing his mutant powers. Hes bound to be beyond driven to get them back. Rogue has spent her life ashamed of hers, so maybe they'll lay dorment. Or maybe the 'cure' wasn't actually permanent to begin with. The kid's powers didn't have a lasting effect, so maybe all they could do was prolong the effect and not make it last indefinitely.

The scene with Rogue gives a bit of hope for her, and its a high note. Then they show Magneto getting his powers back (How the hell did he escape without his powers?). Will Rogue go crazy because she can't touch Bobby any more? Will Bobby still want her after he could touch her and can't anymore? It sets up a lot of possible character development and it brings up a ton of other questions. Questions that will probably fuel the desire for 4.

[quote name='basketkase543']This film was really an insult to the entire well-developed franchise. I don't understand the argument that "if you don't read the comics, you'll like the film." Why? Because you like badly written screenplays that offer no real conflict, development, or closure and instead is filled with fragmented story-telling and random, derivative deaths?

For the record, I am a comic fan and I am aware of the story. Yes, this film delivers some horrible atrocities against the X-Universe. Yes, they kill off important characters. But I'm not going crazy because of what they change. I'm going crazy because of how weak everything was. Honestly, did anyone else feel like laughing when they showed the three tombstones at the end? It had to be joke; The producers must have had the mentality that the more deaths you have, the more impacted the audience is. The problem is you have to earn those emotional reactions and this film was just an insult.

And how did the cure plot get resolved? There was absolutely zero resolution as Leech continued on as normal and there was no indication of whether or not it was permament or temporary. Sure, magneto pushed a chess piece a bit but that indicates nothing. Otherwise, why even bother showing Rogue and her lost powers to the cure if the cure is now pointless? The way that mutant after mutant randomly lost their powers was akin to the way that so many just dropped dead.[/quote]
 
Its a very nasty decision. If they only bring in a handful of characters and give them total focus people are going to whine that they didn't have enough people. Conversely, if they put in a lot of people, viewers are going to complain that they didn't give them enough screen time. You have to just accept the limitations of the format. You can't have tanget stories covered in break off series. You can't have *See Ultimate X-Men 231.

Wolverine and Jean have arguably been the biggest characters throughout the movies and they've still hardly scratched the surface. Its just not realistic to expect them to give everyone a significant screen presence.

As for Angel, yes, he did save his dad, but look at what happened. He ended up at the school. That tells me his dad wasn't overly receptive. Thats going to remain one of those things you need to infer because, again, it just isn't plausible to wrap up every single detail about the dozen of people in this movie in just 90 minutes.

What about Mystique? Does she get her powers back? Is Colosus going to love the cock? Wheres QuickSilver? Who? What? When? Where? Why? HOW!?!?!

We may never know. We may find out in the next movie.

[quote name='basketkase543']
And as a minor example of this film's total lack of closure, look at Angel. He goes through a minor arc of having a father who may or may not love his son, but he wants him to be cured of his mutant "disease." At the end of the film, Angel saves his dad. What a touching moment, right? I mean, Angel was able to overcome his hatred for his dad and ultimately save him...well maybe he didn't hate his dad...maybe he always loved him. I'm not too sure because the film never went there. And how did his dad now feel about his son after being saved by him? Does he now repent and feel the mutant cure to be unnecesaray? Or does he instead still dislike his son's powers but still love his son? Or maybe he hates his son and his powers and wants to decimate the entire mutant and human population as we know it - all while wearing a little white dress. We don't know. The film never bothers to show us. Instead, like so many other instances, they try and have an emotionally impactful scene but lack the character development needed to truly follow through with it.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']
So having a psychotic scientist who trapes around in a green suit riding a flying table while throwing bombs at innocent people and calls himself the Green Goblin totally ruined Spiderman didn't it?

Or having Superman and Batman wear spandex or bright colors really trashed those franchises, too, eh?
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I don't get what you're saying... both Green Goblin and Spider-Man underwent costume changes, as well as character changes. Spider-Man wasn't as drastic, but the Green Goblin sure wasn't his green and purple goofy looking self.

Superman keeps the suit because EVERYONE recognizes the suit and that symbol, from kids to grandparents. Most people wouldn't be able to pick out Wolverine's suit from anyone else's, but I can show Superman's suit to anyone and they can say "Oh yea, that's Superman, definately". It's an icon.

I still haven't seen Batman Begins, but didn't they change the suit for that? The older Batman movies he looked goofy as hell, imo.

An X-Men movie with everyone running around wearing different colored spandex would have instantly made this movie seem like it was made for kids, I think, and I don't think alot of people would have taken it seriously. The movie needs to be made accessible for the MILLIONS of movie goers out there... sadly, you're in the minority in what you want, because like Kayden has said, if they made an intricate comic book plot the audience would have gotten lost many times over.

Spider-Man had this same re-doing of plot, while keeping in key points... the X-Men really don't have key points you can seperate since everything intertwines together so much since there are 10 - 20 X-Men members, so they pretty much had to re-do almost everything from scratch. They still kept in some key plot points where they could... Magneto hates humans, Professor X runs a school for mutants.

I just saw a short little clip of Magneto freeing Mystique and some other mutants, and I thought it looked cool as hell. I haven't read comics in years, and I just imagine this as a sort of reimagining of the franchise, similar to every other comic book movie ever made.

You will probably never see a comic book movie that will follow the comics frame by frame since the general audience won't understand it, and the general audience is who they are making these movies for.
 
[quote name='Kayden']As for Angel, yes, he did save his dad, but look at what happened. He ended up at the school. That tells me his dad wasn't overly receptive. Thats going to remain one of those things you need to infer because, again, it just isn't plausible to wrap up every single detail about the dozen of people in this movie in just 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Angel showed up at the mansion. Between his dad's rescue and that moment, any number of possibilities could've happaned. His dad could've completely changed his mind on the idea of the cure and learned to embrace his son's ability. Then, the dad tells Angel that he needs to go where he can learn to use his powers and help others, which is why we see Warren at the mansion in the end. Or Warren is at the mansion because his dad completely let him go. It can go either way and it shows a serious flaw in the film if you say that there just isn't time to tie up all of the loose ends.

The film clocks in at about 1 hour and 40 minutes. They could have easily devoted an extra twenty minutes to better flesh out the characters and make the film feel more whole. It wouldn't have taken more than a few minutes for a great scene between Warren and his dad to show us exactly how that relationship continues. It wouldn't have taken too long to have a true conclusion to the film - one where people speak about all of the lives that were lost and how they continue from there. For crying out loud, if you're going to kill Xavier, at least make it worth it. This guy has been a mutant leader for decades - he's well known in the mutant universe and the homo sapien universe and the idea that his death wouldn't warrant a worldwide moment of silence is ludicrous. If you kill him, make him a martyr - show people around the world, mutants and humans, changing because of his death and because of the atrocity that occurred. The film pisses all over Xavier's grave by never giving him a decent sendoff. I know that some of you will cite the final after-credits scene as reason to accept that he's alive, and therefore a good excuse for not developing Xavier's death, but for the majority of film he was considered dead. That's no reason to let his death, whether it be a true death or not, go without any real emotion.
 
Additionally, the Green Goblin was a bad guy. Bad guys are generally crazy. It's much easier to vilify insanity for a bad guy than to heroify (?) it for a good guy.

And I think the orignal batman costumes where queer as all hell. The one for Batman Begins was much better.

Superman is in a bright blue leotard with red spandex undies and matching cape. Not to disparage the dead, but Reeves looked homorific and I wouldn't mind a retooling of his outift to update his look a bit. His costume is almost 100 years old, it needs an update.
 
Well, it looks like this might not be "The Last Stand" for the X-Men film franchise after seeing partial results from this weekend's box office.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060528/ap_en_mo/box_office

I'm sure Fox and Marvel will fasttrack the next movie in the X-Men series after the amazing numbers especially with so many criticizing after Singer left the films. Just look at the history of the X-Men and X2 at the box office and with this weekends take it could potentially be the highest grossing of the 3 (and with all of the hollywood box office problems).

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/Xmen.php
 
[quote name='Roufuss']You will probably never see a comic book movie that will follow the comics frame by frame since the general audience won't understand it, and the general audience is who they are making these movies for.[/quote]
*cough*

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I love this quote from the yahoo article:
The film benefited from a huge base of fans who had seen the first two "X-Men" films, plus great marketing and solid reviews, Dergarabedian said.
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ROFFLE.
 
[quote name='Kayden']And I think the orignal batman costumes where queer as all hell. The one for Batman Begins was much better.[/quote]

please, i need to hear how the original costumes were "queer".....
 
[quote name='nickmad']please, i need to hear how the original costumes were "queer".....[/quote]
Rubber. Nipples.
 
[quote name='basketkase543']Don't read if you haven't watched the film yet.

This film was really an insult to the entire well-developed franchise. I don't understand the argument that "if you don't read the comics, you'll like the film." Why? Because you like badly written screenplays that offer no real conflict, development, or closure and instead is filled with fragmented story-telling and random, derivative deaths?

For the record, I am a comic fan and I am aware of the story. Yes, this film delivers some horrible atrocities against the X-Universe. Yes, they kill off important characters. But I'm not going crazy because of what they change. I'm going crazy because of how weak everything was. Honestly, did anyone else feel like laughing when they showed the three tombstones at the end? It had to be joke; The producers must have had the mentality that the more deaths you have, the more impacted the audience is. The problem is you have to earn those emotional reactions and this film was just an insult.

And how did the cure plot get resolved? There was absolutely zero resolution as Leech continued on as normal and there was no indication of whether or not it was permament or temporary. Sure, magneto pushed a chess piece a bit but that indicates nothing. Otherwise, why even bother showing Rogue and her lost powers to the cure if the cure is now pointless? The way that mutant after mutant randomly lost their powers was akin to the way that so many just dropped dead.

And as a minor example of this film's total lack of closure, look at Angel. He goes through a minor arc of having a father who may or may not love his son, but he wants him to be cured of his mutant "disease." At the end of the film, Angel saves his dad. What a touching moment, right? I mean, Angel was able to overcome his hatred for his dad and ultimately save him...well maybe he didn't hate his dad...maybe he always loved him. I'm not too sure because the film never went there. And how did his dad now feel about his son after being saved by him? Does he now repent and feel the mutant cure to be unnecesaray? Or does he instead still dislike his son's powers but still love his son? Or maybe he hates his son and his powers and wants to decimate the entire mutant and human population as we know it - all while wearing a little white dress. We don't know. The film never bothers to show us. Instead, like so many other instances, they try and have an emotionally impactful scene but lack the character development needed to truly follow through with it.[/quote]



Exactly. :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:


This was one of the worst films just because of how it was filmed.

Seriouly porn movies have more closure than X3.

At the end of the movie you have no idea what happend to 90%of the mutant you breifly saw in the film. Day turning to night within the same shot is just one of the examples of how bad this film is.


Honestly.....HOW THE fuck CAN YOU SAY YOU LIKE THIS MOVIE?

Also i would like to say.......does anyone remember if they actually SAID the names to most of the mutants in the movie. Because no that i am thinking about it....i am pretty sure they never actually SAID the names of any of the new mutants. I think we all just knew who they were and didnt realize. That would explain why my girlfriend kept asking me who is that guy?
 
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