X-Men 3: The Last Stand Update Thread

[quote name='Roufuss']Lord of the Rings is a comic book movie?[/quote]
YES! Gandalf time travels and ends up stuck in the 21st century and uses a magnetism spell and becomes magneto... i cant beleive you didnt know that!?!?!?

in other news...

Leech can take powers from anyone. Doesnt matter if they are born with them or not. Because most of the heros in the marvel universe where created after the fact: Hulk, she hulk, spider man, Iron man, Captain America, on and on. Leech took the powers from everyone in a series in the avengers. So yes he can take away the juggernauts powers...

Movie, was ok, entertaining. Go see it if you enjoy superhero movies!
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Incredibles won 2 Academy Awards, and was nominated for 4.

Lord of the Rings, Return of the King won 11.

Yes, I believe at some point they should win awards.[/QUOTE]
None of those are comic book movies. The Incredibles is influenced by comic books but they weren't constrained by having to stay close to existing material (previous movies and being based on an actual comic). Not only that but one award they won was Best Animated Movie and every year just about every animated feature film is nominated for that award because there's only a handful that even come out. The other one they won was for best sound editing and yeah the sound awards really show the quality of a movie, hell Con Air was nominated for best achievement sound (which is one of the 2 awards the Incredibles was nominated for but did not win). The other award they were nominated for but did not win was best original screenplay which ones again brings up my point about not being constrained in their story like comic book movies are.

My point still remains, comic book movies are not academy award winning movies. Now, you can split hairs and say stuff like Spider-man being nominated for Best Sound and Best Sound Effects awards count but when I say academy award winning movies, I mean best picture awards. Comic book superhero movies and video game movies are in the same category, they're created to entertain and serve as "eye candy" not to be artistic creations along the lines of Schindler's List.

[quote name='Lice']

Movie, was ok, entertaining. Go see it if you enjoy superhero movies![/QUOTE]

BINGO!

Don't go see the movie to nitpick how it doesn't follow the comic book storylines. Go see it because seeing superhero superpowers in real life is fucking cool!
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']What's sad about that?

Arguably the 2 best comic book movies Batman Begins and Spider-man 2 would be absolutely laughed out of the academy awards. They're great comic book movies but they don't hold a candle to most academy award nominees let-alone award winners.[/QUOTE]

Why does a film have to be Academy Award winning to be good? All you keep arguing is that the film wasn't that bad. I'm really curious why you continually fight for it when you realize all of the huge plot holes and acknowledge that this isn't one of the stronger films in the franchise, or in comic book film history.

[quote name='RedvsBlue']First off, getting over 50% on Rotten Tomatoes actually puts the movie above quite a few others. In fact, of the "summer blockbusters", X-men 3 at this point is one of the highest rated according to Rotten Tomatoes. MI3 is at 70% right now making it pretty much the highest. Rotten Tomatoes is a horrible way to rate movies because there's far too much discretion in the rating system and how a rating is applied to the percentage score rotten tomatoes gives.[/QUOTE]

It's also a weak argument to say that the film's 50% Rotten Tomatoes score is redeemed by the fact that it is one of the better rated films of the summer.

Regardless of whether or not comic book films should be winning Academy Awards, they should still not be catering to the lowest common denominator - "hey, those explosions were kewl!" The film did have some incredible scenes - I particularly liked the forest scene where Wolverine is being attacked by somebody throwing organic spikes. But you can throw dozens of action sequences together and not end up with a good film. It needs to have development; you need to be able to care about their characters and understand their motivations. Otherwise, why would you even care what was happening on screen, or why somebody has passed away?

Horrible comic book films like Punisher and Fantastic Four exist because people like you who have low expectations and care nothing about the context of the action onscreen:

[quote name='RedvsBlue']Its like one of my friends said, you don't go to comic book movies for an academy award winning movie. You go to see some fun action sequences and cool super powers.[/QUOTE]

You cited Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2 as two of the better comic book films. Why is that? Do you honestly not think that any of the characteristics that made those films good should've been carried over to X3? I just can't understand the reasoning of saying that the film is good simply because it had great action scenes and a weak plot.
 
I've never said the film is OMG fucking spectacular. All I'm saying is that its good enough to not sit around and bitch about it. Especially to the point where I need to troll both Newsarama's and CAG's threads on X-men 3 like Nigel is doing.
 
[quote name='Scorch']You think it sucks. We get the point.

They will obviously do something with Cyclops. Jean said "I think I killed Scott". They also had a scene with Storm finding Scott's body, but they cut it from the final film. There's bound to be a reason.[/quote]

Look at how Jean killed everyone else. She blew them to hell, there was no body to find.

The CG on Professor Picard ( :lol: ) in the flashback unsettled me. That was GC right? He just didn't look normal.

The cigar was funny.

Would the 'cure' affect Leech?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I've never said the film is OMG fucking spectacular. All I'm saying is that its good enough to not sit around and bitch about it. Especially to the point where I need to troll both Newsarama's and CAG's threads on X-men 3 like Nigel is doing.[/quote]

Hey, Newsarama is work related to me. CAG is just me.
 
Can anyone sum up the Phoenix Saga (from comics) in one or 2 sentences for me? I was wondering how acurate it was in the movie and if Jean Grey ever takes control over Phoenix, and what were Phoenix's powers in the comics?

Thanks.
 
Phoenix goes into space in the comics. She destroys planets. Almost nothing can stop her.

But the small bits you saw in the movie where kind of accurate otherwise.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Can anyone sum up the Phoenix Saga (from comics) in one or 2 sentences for me? I was wondering how acurate it was in the movie and if Jean Grey ever takes control over Phoenix, and what were Phoenix's powers in the comics?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

The "phoenix" we see in the movie is actually the comic equivalent of the dark phoenix. The mindblocks thing is also an aspect that was covered in the comics to a certain extent. The phoenix force, itself, in the comics isn't inherently evil but it does have a dark side that when left unchecked can kill. The thing is though, the dark phoenix wouldn't have alligned itself with anyone, it considers itself a god that doesn't need any individual's help.

In the comics when the dark phoenix manifested itself it actually sucked all the power out of a star which killed everyone in that star system. Surprisingly, aside from the part about Jean coming back to the life, the storyline in the cartoon is actually VERY close to the real storyline including some scenes and images that are duplicated exactly.

Unfortunately, there is soooo much backstory to the phoenix and dark phoenix that I don't think they could cover it in an entire trilogy, let alone just 1 movie. They did a decent job given their constraints though.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The "phoenix" we see in the movie is actually the comic equivalent of the dark phoenix. The mindblocks thing is also an aspect that was covered in the comics to a certain extent. The phoenix force, itself, in the comics isn't inherently evil but it does have a dark side that when left unchecked can kill. The thing is though, the dark phoenix wouldn't have alligned itself with anyone, it considers itself a god that doesn't need any individual's help.

In the comics when the dark phoenix manifested itself it actually sucked all the power out of a star which killed everyone in that star system. Surprisingly, aside from the part about Jean coming back to the life, the storyline in the cartoon is actually VERY close to the real storyline including some scenes and images that are duplicated exactly.

Unfortunately, there is soooo much backstory to the phoenix and dark phoenix that I don't think they could cover it in an entire trilogy, let alone just 1 movie. They did a decent job given their constraints though.[/quote]

Cool, thanks for the info RedvsBlue and SpottedNigel
 
[quote name='Kayden']Look at how Jean killed everyone else. She blew them to hell, there was no body to find.[/quote]

Right, but she kissed Scott and some shit happened, much like when Rogue kissed dude on her bed in the first one. She wasn't doing the crazy bitch attack with Scott.

[quote name='KingDox']44 full xmen episodes.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=89C9186A581EB3CB[/quote]

Where was this when I spent three weeks downloading the cartoons?
 
Wow, while going through these youtube episodes, I've found a few that I never even saw before. For example, I've enver seen the episode where wolverine battles alongside Captain America. I think its in the final season of the series.

On a side note, it would rule if any future X-Men films managed to include the theme song from the Fox show.
 
ok.....i consider myself as a fan boy....i read the comics....i know enough background on the x-characters to wish that magneto should've ripped of wolverine's adamantium in that forest scene....but hey, that's just me ....it's just wishful thinking

bottom line is i liked the movie....neither hated it nor loved it...just liked it !!...it was a good for what it was....a fucking movie!!....

and for the ones that hate it w/ a passion.......save your money( n i mean really save it)... hire a film crew... look for a director, since Singer is busy w/ SM and you guys obviously hate Ratner's take on it.......and make the fucking movie yourself!!!!!.....co'z god knows you won't be satisfied if somebody else tried making it.......just a thought ;)
 
[quote name='Scorch']Right, but she kissed Scott and some shit happened, much like when Rogue kissed dude on her bed in the first one. She wasn't doing the crazy bitch attack with Scott.[/quote]

Of course they didn't show it. That removes any doubt. This way they could do some BS revival (even though he's a loser). However, I hope his fairy ass was vaporized.
 
The funny thing was that after when they showed the ENDING after the credits, the film got burned. Many of us thought it was Charles who did it or thought the movie was ended like that. There was this black guy was yelling to the back of the room where they have this film room. While I left, this worker came in to make ppl leave the theater. I asked that guy, is it suppose to be like that. He said, no the film got burned.
 
[quote name='177adjen17']ok.....i consider myself as a fan boy....i read the comics....i know enough background on the x-characters to wish that magneto should've ripped of wolverine's adamantium in that forest scene....but hey, that's just me ....it's just wishful thinking

bottom line is i liked the movie....neither hated it nor loved it...just liked it !!...it was a good for what it was....a fucking movie!!....

and for the ones that hate it w/ a passion.......save your money( n i mean really save it)... hire a film crew... look for a director, since Singer is busy w/ SM and you guys obviously hate Ratner's take on it.......and make the fucking movie yourself!!!!!.....co'z god knows you won't be satisfied if somebody else tried making it.......just a thought ;)[/quote]

I was more than satisfied with the first two. I don't understand why you and other people can't seem to understand that most of the people who are complaining about X3 liked the first two. That right there should show you that we're not just bitching for bitching sake.

The movie sucked, and your excuse for "it being good for what it is" holds no water because there have been plenty of movies that did justice to their counterparts of other media.
 
I gotta agree with Grave_Addiction. I'm comic book fan and loved the first two, but disliked the third. And trust me, going into the theater I thought I was going to like it.

And even for a movie, just a movie, it wasn't good. IMO
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']I gotta agree with Grave_Addiction. I'm comic book fan and loved the first two, but disliked the third. And trust me, going into the theater I thought I was going to like it.

And even for a movie, just a movie, it wasn't good. IMO[/quote]

My brother, who also read the comics as a child, actually lost a bet that X3 would be the worst of the trilogy. He thought it was going to be a really good movie, but did the right thing and admitted defeat.
 
[quote name='177adjen17']ok.....i consider myself as a fan boy....i read the comics....i know enough background on the x-characters to wish that magneto should've ripped of wolverine's adamantium in that forest scene....but hey, that's just me ....it's just wishful thinking

bottom line is i liked the movie....neither hated it nor loved it...just liked it !!...it was a good for what it was....a fucking movie!!....

and for the ones that hate it w/ a passion.......save your money( n i mean really save it)... hire a film crew... look for a director, since Singer is busy w/ SM and you guys obviously hate Ratner's take on it.......and make the fucking movie yourself!!!!!.....co'z god knows you won't be satisfied if somebody else tried making it.......just a thought ;)[/QUOTE]

Wow. I can't wait to make that movie that you're talking about because people like you will eat it up. Screw plot and characters. As long as the movie is okay, you'll give me your money and leave happy.
 
Okay, saw the movie today with the wife (who loved it). I also thought the movie was fine eye candy for a summer action movie. Then against, I never read the comic books and don't know anything about the storyline.

What is your suggestion as the best way to get the whole storyline? Reading every single comic is probably out of the question, but a friend recommended the essential Xmen to me like 5-6 years ago. Or watching the cartoon? Or reading a plot synopsis?

I guess what I consider ideal would be a detailed plot synopsis with the scans of the actual comic art in selected, crucial scenes, but that's probably just wishful thinking because of copyright issues etc.
 
I went in thinking it was going to suck, but walked away thinking it was alright. MI3 was a much much better film (the last thing I saw), but the action was pretty good and though I thought they killed way too many people and did not have near the character and story development it should have, it was a passable summer flick.


I didn't pay for my ticket as I really did not want to see it, so my friend said he would. If I had paid I probably would have been more critical of the movie.
 
I was just reading something that makes the movie make a lot more sense. Now, this is from IMDB, but:

"Jean and Juggernaut are most likely based on their Ultimate X-Men comic book incarnations. In the X-Men proper comic, Juggernaut was given his powers through a mystic gem and was not a mutant. Juggernaut was also Xavier's step brother. Jean's phoenix power was a cosmic entity that bonded itself with Jean. In Ultimate X-Men, as with the movie, these powers are part of their mutations."

That explains a lot of Juggernaut's changes, but I'm not too sure on the Ultimate universe, so I can't make any calls on this. Though if it is, than Colossus must want to go have some mansex ;).
 
[quote name='banpeikun']
What is your suggestion as the best way to get the whole storyline? Reading every single comic is probably out of the question, but a friend recommended the essential Xmen to me like 5-6 years ago. Or watching the cartoon? Or reading a plot synopsis?
[/QUOTE]
It will run you $40. I bought mine two days ago and have yet to receive it, but it sounds pretty badass.


[quote name='karsh']
That explains a lot of Juggernaut's changes, but I'm not too sure on the Ultimate universe, so I can't make any calls on this. Though if it is, than Colossus must want to go have some mansex ;).[/QUOTE]
Colossus is a homo? They turned my favorite X-man of old, into a lover of the buttsecks? That is fucked up...
 
Just saw it today. Overall, I liked it, but was kind of dissappointed as well. It seemed like there was a lot of wasted potential. It would have been FAR greater if they would have left the Phoenix part of the story out entirely. There really wasn't enough focus given where it needed to be. There was more than enough for one movie with just the stuff with Leech and the mutant 'cure', but then they had to shove the Phoenix part of the story in where it didn't belong. I really enjoyed the parts where they focused more on the mutant cure, but the Phoenix just didn't do much of anything to enhance that story and seemed to be barely involved in it. If they would have left out Phoenix and done more to develop Angel's character, I think it would have been a great movie and maybe my favorite of the three; as it stands its good enough, but not even close to what it should have been.

I also was sorta hoping to see Apocalypse show up at the end, but that's just because I want to see it lead to a movie in the Age of Apocalypse. I know it'll probably never happen, but that doesn't make me want it any less damn it!

[quote name='Swift900'] It will run you $40. I bought mine two days ago and have yet to receive it, but it sounds pretty badass.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting that. I think I may have to pick one of those up, too :)
 
[quote name='banpeikun']Hmm don't have time to read every comic. I need some kind of boiled down detailed and chronological (by comic chronology) synopsis.[/QUOTE]

Mutants are awesome. Humans are not.

The end.
 
[quote name='Strell']Mutants are awesome. Humans are not.

The end.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the part about everyone dying but then getting better.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You forgot the part about everyone dying but then getting better.[/QUOTE]

You know what I also left out though? The part where the mutants all watch Nascar.

Because it didn't happen, you see.

Another reason why mutants are awesome.

:)
 
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Dvd info... crazy box sets and discs... atleast there is plenty of warning for all that will be launched at us...

While we're waiting for those promised Wolverine and Magneto spinoffs to get started, the X-Men camp has planned a bounty of DVD specials to keep us entertained. X-Men: The Last Stand hits shelves this fall in three forms: a single-disc edition packed with deleted scenes and alternate endings; a collectors' edition, which includes an all-new Stan Lee–Magneto–Xavier comic (yes, you read that right!); and a trilogy boxed set with all three X-Men films.

The Extras: The single-disc edition features 10 deleted scenes (more of Storm's havoc, a brutal Wolverine breaking an enemy's neck and lots more Jean Grey) and three alternate endings (three characters are separately shown starting a new life), each with optional commentary by director Brett Ratner; audio commentaries by Ratner, the writers and the producers; a preview of the upcoming Ben Stiller movie A Night at the Museum (shameless pimping); and two Easter eggs, one of the Beast reciting Shakespeare and the other of the X-jet landing in Washington, D.C. The collectors' edition has all of the above, plus fancy keepsake packaging; a 100-page collectible picture book, including three of Stan Lee's favorite X-Men comics; and a copy of Lee's first original comic in five years, called The Unlikely Saga of Magneto, Xavier and Stan, which features Lee as a character alongside his famous mutants. No additional bonus material has been announced for the planned three-disc trilogy boxed set, but considering that there's only one disc per film, my guess is that the goods are in the collectors' edition here.
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[quote name='CaseyRyback']I went in thinking it was going to suck, but walked away thinking it was alright. MI3 was a much much better film (the last thing I saw), but the action was pretty good and though I thought they killed way too many people and did not have near the character and story development it should have, it was a passable summer flick. [/QUOTE]

Agreed. The part of me that knows it's just a movie thinks it's a decent popcorn flick. If you're not a big X-Men/Comic fan, then you're golden.

The hardcore nerd in me is pissed to the extreme. I got the feeling through the whole thing that Ratner was just trying to make a "bigger" and more explosive movie so he could show up Singer. The character development was nil and whoever wrote the script doesn't know shit about the characters. Two great examples: Xavier snapping at Wolverine that he didn't have to explain himself and Magneto sacrificing those who followed him. Wouldn't happen.
Plus the deaths were a cop out to get shock-emotion from the audience. Singer had one major death in the movies in Jean Grey and it that had such impact.
Also, what's up with the changing genders/powers of mutants? What's the point in having Calypso if it's not really her? Why have Psylocke, change her powers (she can hide in the shadows!), make her evil and just discard her? What a waste. Angel could and should have been awesome. And did anyone notice one of the Earth's most powerful creatures Omega Red was in the movie? I didn't see him either.

It feels like Ratner thought the fan service that was scattered throughout the movie would balance things out with fans and it just pisses me off.

Bottom line: if you're not a hardcore fan... and just looking for the next X-Men movie... it's perfectly fine. If you're a fan, you're gonna get pissed.
 
[quote name='TurkeyOnRye']Agreed. The part of me that knows it's just a movie thinks it's a decent popcorn flick. If you're not a big X-Men/Comic fan, then you're golden.

The hardcore nerd in me is pissed to the extreme. I got the feeling through the whole thing that Ratner was just trying to make a "bigger" and more explosive movie so he could show up Singer. The character development was nil and whoever wrote the script doesn't know shit about the characters. Two great examples: Xavier snapping at Wolverine that he didn't have to explain himself and Magneto sacrificing those who followed him. Wouldn't happen.
Plus the deaths were a cop out to get shock-emotion from the audience. Singer had one major death in the movies in Jean Grey and it that had such impact.
Also, what's up with the changing genders/powers of mutants? What's the point in having Calypso if it's not really her? Why have Psylocke, change her powers (she can hide in the shadows!), make her evil and just discard her? What a waste. Angel could and should have been awesome. And did anyone notice one of the Earth's most powerful creatures Omega Red was in the movie? I didn't see him either.

It feels like Ratner thought the fan service that was scattered throughout the movie would balance things out with fans and it just pisses me off.

Bottom line: if you're not a hardcore fan... and just looking for the next X-Men movie... it's perfectly fine. If you're a fan, you're gonna get pissed.[/QUOTE]

Actually, as of late in the comics, the part about Xavier snapping at Wolverine would be a little bit closer to the real thing. It wasn't Wolverine but he said almost the exact same line to someone else (Cyclops I think) not too long ago.

I liked it precisely because it wasn't the exact same thing as the comics. What's the point of bringing comics to the big screen if they're gonna use the same storylines as the comics? I can just read the comic then. Sure the characters weren't spot on but, with characters especially, there's a lot of people interpreting how they will act. First there's the screenwriter, then the director, and finally the actor themself who all interpret how they feel the character would be.

[quote name='Lice']ITS ALLLiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiveeeeeee

Dvd info... crazy box sets and discs... atleast there is plenty of warning for all that will be launched at us...[/QUOTE]
I'm in for the deluxe set!
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Actually, as of late in the comics, the part about Xavier snapping at Wolverine would be a little bit closer to the real thing. It wasn't Wolverine but he said almost the exact same line to someone else (Cyclops I think) not too long ago.

I liked it precisely because it wasn't the exact same thing as the comics. What's the point of bringing comics to the big screen if they're gonna use the same storylines as the comics? I can just read the comic then. Sure the characters weren't spot on but, with characters especially, there's a lot of people interpreting how they will act. First there's the screenwriter, then the director, and finally the actor themself who all interpret how they feel the character would be.


I'm in for the deluxe set![/quote]

Yeah, Xavier is, quite frankly, a dick lately. And if they were really going with the Ultimate version, than Chuck is even more of a dick there. I mean, in the Ultimate comics, Xavier has no problem with using his powers to make sure his students stay with his ideals. However, regardless of Ultimate or normal 616 Marvel, Chuck is not the saint he was percieved to be in the past.

And I'm definitely gonna pick up the deluxe set. The collectable book and the comic by Stan sound great.
 
[quote name='karsh']Yeah, Xavier is, quite frankly, a dick lately. And if they were really going with the Ultimate version, than Chuck is even more of a dick there. I mean, in the Ultimate comics, Xavier has no problem with using his powers to make sure his students stay with his ideals. However, regardless of Ultimate or normal 616 Marvel, Chuck is not the saint he was percieved to be in the past.

And I'm definitely gonna pick up the deluxe set. The collectable book and the comic by Stan sound great.[/QUOTE]

Can you remember who he said that line to though?

I want to say it was during the Deadly Genesis line, or maybe it was during the fallout that started the current X-men and Uncanny X-men storylines.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Can you remember who he said that line to though?

I want to say it was during the Deadly Genesis line, or maybe it was during the fallout that started the current X-men and Uncanny X-men storylines.[/quote]

I wanna say it was during Deadly Genesis and to Cyc, especially considering Cyc was the one who was so questioning of him and pissed at him during DG.
 
[quote name='karsh']I wanna say it was during Deadly Genesis and to Cyc, especially considering Cyc was the one who was so questioning of him and pissed at him during DG.[/QUOTE]

Still... it still seemed like it didn't fit in. Granted... I have read either of those stories.

Can anyone come up with a reason for the gender change of Marrow? I can understand if it truly furthered the story... but why change her for no reason? Stuff like that bugs me.
 
[quote name='TurkeyOnRye']Still... it still seemed like it didn't fit in. Granted... I have read either of those stories.

Can anyone come up with a reason for the gender change of Marrow? I can understand if it truly furthered the story... but why change her for no reason? Stuff like that bugs me.[/QUOTE]

Because Marrow is so lowlevel that no one cares anyway? In fact, she doesn't even have her powers anymore in the comics.

You really should read a little more about Xavier. Even before the incident Karsh and I were talking about there's been a long line of sleaze bag Xavier things. For instance the fact that at one point Xavier, despite asknowledging himself as a father figure toward Jean Grey, was romantically in love with her (this was something that happened a long time ago). There's also the fact that he knowingly trapped a sentient being in his danger room program just so that the training programs would be more realistic. If you want to read more about his dark side here's the Wiki on it. Xavier isn't exactly the saint that he's portyrayed to be, especially with the way the cartoon made him out to be.
 
Extra Extra read some crap

"X-Men" executive producer Lauren Shuler Donner talked to LA Daily News about X-Men 4, for which they would have to renegotiate with the bigger stars, and also Wolverine and Magneto:

 "The newer cast members are signed, and the older cast members are not." Considering the older names involved -- Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, Rebecca Romijn, Famke Janssen and Anna Paquin -- that could run into a huge chunk of money.

All that's putting the cart before the wolverine, of course, since Hugh Jackman is set to reprise his role as the manicure-challenged mutant superhero in his own film. "Next, we're going to do 'Wolverine,' but not before the end of the year because he's in the Baz Luhrmann film," she says of the filmmaker's untitled Australian epic with Nicole Kidman. However, "We have the script and are working on it."

Shuler Donner reports, "We also have 'Young Magneto' in development."


Young magneto? No thank you i say! Intresting to see if they can pull another xmen film out of there ass. It seems now they are after the $ more so that telling a good story...
 
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