Xbox 360 $299 and $399!!!

"I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households. I think everyone can still buy it if they wanted to." Sony's Ken Kutaragi. My question is how much are you willing to pay for the PS3 and how high is to high for that?
 
Can't you use any USB device as storage for the 360? So any external harddrive (or internal harddrive with external enclosure) would work? That would obviously be cheaper than $100 for a 20gb HDD.

EDIT: Or for just a bit of space you could use a USB flash drive which would be much cheaper than a memory card.
 
Kevin Periera(sp?) on Attack of the Show, just totally blew it by failing to realize that the $400 Xbox 360 comes with something other than the hard drive. He's got to stop sniffing glue on his lunch break!

He's all like, "Why am I paying $100 for 20 gig hard drive" and I'm all like, "WTF, OMG! ".
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Can't you use any USB device as storage for the 360? So any external harddrive (or internal harddrive with external enclosure) would work? That would obviously be cheaper than $100 for a 20gb HDD.

EDIT: Or for just a bit of space you could use a USB flash drive which would be much cheaper than a memory card.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that you could. So it might not even be a big deal if you get the $300 one, you could just attach your own drive.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Kevin Periera(sp?) on Attack of the Show, just totally blew it by failing to realize that the $400 Xbox 360 comes with something other than the hard drive. He's got to stop sniffing glue on his lunch break!

He's all like, "Why am I paying $100 for 20 gig hard drive" and I'm all like, "WTF, OMG! ".[/QUOTE]


when are they going to have you on attack of the show cheapy?
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']Less tech huh? Do you really believe that?[/QUOTE]

In a word, Yes. If a console is designed to take advantage of a feature in a previous version that is not in the current version (for the same release price), then you are getting "less tech" than before. Lemme splain'...

Feature for feature, a console at release (no matter when it comes out) should be better than (or AT THE LEAST equal to) the previous version. While there are things that are going to be better with the XBOX 360 (graphics/sound?/etc.), when compared to the XBOX, the lack of hard drive for the base model IS a step backwards. It is a "feature" from a previous version that is lacking in the current version (based upon lowest priced release versions). Not only that, BUT, it's something that is REQUIRED in order to support another "feature" (backwards compatability...and we all know how big of a stink there was on the internet after M$ originally said the XBOX 360 wasn't going to support it). :}~~~

M$ had a goal of hitting that historical $300 price point (barrier?) with the XBOX 360. They would be unable to do this by including the very XBOX 360 features (wireless controller, hard drive) they have been promoting (pimping) for weeks now, at least if they didn't want to lose major money with each console sold. Therefore, they decided to strip away features until they could hit a $300 release version.

Unfortunately, by doing this, they have caused a shift in their customer base. Many harder core gamers (at least based upon some other forum posts I've seen) feel that the need for a hard drive has been greatly cut since developers will focus on the "least common denominator" versions of XBOX 360's out there (the basic model without hard drive). The developers will know it could mean lost sales to have "must have hard drive in your XBOX 360 to play this game" printed on the box.

There will be people willing to wait on an XBOX 360 purchase simply because they don't want an "entry level" version of the console. They want what M$ has been showing the XBOX 360 to be (and have) for a while. If they can't afford/justify a $400 purchase, it's likely they will wait until the price drops to a point they can afford/justify it rather than purchase a "gimped" version (even if it is upgradable).

I've seen a good number of posts by people saying they are cancelling their XBOX 360 pre-orders becase of today's announcement. Some are doing it because of price, others due to features, and yet others, simply because they would rather wait and see what Sony is going to do with the PS3 since it seems M$ can't keep it straight by promoting one thing then trying to offer another...i.e. including a hard drive/etc. and having the ability to add-on later are two different things.

Seeing as I'm not going to purchase any of the new consoles at release (which as far as I'm concerned someone who does should have their CAG card taken away...lol), I am being unbiased and objective about this stuff. Many people are starting to feel as if M$ has "bent the truth" like Sony did with the "in-game" (coff BS coff) footage from E3. M$ is the underdog (#2) and needs to "step up" if they wish to win this next generation of console wars. Unforutnately, due to today's announcement, they have alienated a good many gamers that are now willing to take a "wait and see" attitude that could have / would have /were going to purchase an XBOX 360.

Grave_Addiction
Yeah, it is more along the lines of crappy than interesting...lol.
 
This is a horrible move by MS because its confusing the average consumer. It's confusing me even, despite being a gamer.

There's no way I'm ever getting an X360 at launch. I'm getting a PS3 though, since MS just made me want it even more. I will buy an X360 in 2008, if MS doesn't decide to release X720 by then.
 
I'm sure I'll still get the $400 version....I have $200+ credit at GameRush...so it's not that big of a worry to me, hopefully they take pre-orders SOON :)
 
Looks like the drive on the premium version is silver and while on the ghetto version.
Also it now appears that you will no longer need Windows Media Center 2005 to stream video, audio, or pictures as it says Windows XP is now supported.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Kevin Periera(sp?) on Attack of the Show, just totally blew it by failing to realize that the $400 Xbox 360 comes with something other than the hard drive. He's got to stop sniffing glue on his lunch break!

He's all like, "Why am I paying $100 for 20 gig hard drive" and I'm all like, "WTF, OMG! ".[/QUOTE]
Thats what a lot of people like to say, but you're actually getting over $100 in accessories (at retail price), before you even factor in the hard drive.

Wireless Controller: $10 ($50, subtracting the cost of the corded controller, $40)
Headset: $20
Component Cables: $40
Media Remote: $30

And on top of that, the hard drive goes for $100, for a total of $200 in stuff for only $100 more. Gee, doesn't that, you know, sound like you're getting a deal here? Considering the PS3 is projected at $399 or more, without any of this extra crap.

Besides, I'm sure there will be a price drop when PS3 launches, I think they're just hitting up the early adopters for some extra money while they can.
 
[quote name='videogamejunkie']can anyboy say PS3? if it were not for that damn HALO game franchise.[/QUOTE]

That would be great and all, but I'm betting on a $400 (or maybe even $500) PS3 without a "vanilla" version for cheaper.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats what a lot of people like to say, but you're actually getting over $100 in accessories (at retail price), before you even factor in the hard drive.

Wireless Controller: $10 ($50, subtracting the cost of the corded controller, $40)
Headset: $20
Component Cables: $40
Media Remote: $30

And on top of that, the hard drive goes for $100, for a total of $200 in stuff for only $100 more. Gee, doesn't that, you know, sound like you're getting a deal here? Considering the PS3 is projected at $399 or more, without any of this extra crap.

Besides, I'm sure there will be a price drop when PS3 launches, I think they're just hitting up the early adopters for some extra money while they can.[/QUOTE]

The problem is people think that all of those things should be included in the $300 version. I understand people not wanting to spend more than 300 on a system, but what I don't understand is when they go....that's it I'm waiting for a PS3. Haven't they heard anything that Ken Katuragi(spelling?) has said?
 
I was hoping that this $399 version woulda been $299. The $299 essentially removes everything that was supposed to be great about the 360. The fact that the remote is a limited time offer also sucks. I think they're just going to try to milk the early adopters and drop the price on the PS3's launch date for both models (if the cheaper model still exists by then).
 
Check this out. I saw it on the xbox retail site.
Bonus Remote

Q: Why will an Xbox 360 Media Remote only be offered with Xbox 360 for a limited time?
A: Holiday units of Xbox 360 (not Xbox 360 Core System) will ship with a bonus media remote while supplies last. This remote is a non-retail smaller version of the Universal Media Remote that will be sold ongoing at retail as an accessory.
 
I thought before E3, there were rumors of no HD at all with the Xbox 360. Their was a lot of talk about the USB Flash card
 
[quote name='zzl365']The problem is people think that all of those things should be included in the $300 version. I understand people not wanting to spend more than 300 on a system, but what I don't understand is when they go....that's it I'm waiting for a PS3. Haven't they heard anything that Ken Katuragi(spelling?) has said?[/QUOTE]
They must have something like the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field™.

The $399 bundle isn't a bad deal for what you're getting, but if you don't want to pay, wait for the PS3 launch and buy a 360 when the price drops. Either that, or the PS3 launching for $399+ without a hard drive or any accessories, will make this bundle look that much better.
 
[quote name='Purkeynator']Check this out. I saw it on the xbox retail site.
Bonus Remote

Q: Why will an Xbox 360 Media Remote only be offered with Xbox 360 for a limited time?
A: Holiday units of Xbox 360 (not Xbox 360 Core System) will ship with a bonus media remote while supplies last. This remote is a non-retail smaller version of the Universal Media Remote that will be sold ongoing at retail as an accessory.[/QUOTE]
So it's not even the huge mega-mote? Lame.
 
The plot thickens

Q: What exactly comes on the hard drive?
A: The hard drive will include an array of content including music tracks, skins, gamer pictures, videos, and more.

Q: Is Xbox 360 backward compatible?
A: Yes. Our plan and our goal is to make every original Xbox game run on Xbox 360. We've focused first, naturally, on the top-selling titles.

Q: So if I buy the Core System, I won't have backward compatibility capabilities?
A: Core System is about choice. If all you want to do is play Xbox 360 games, sign on to Xbox Live using a memory unit and enjoy Xbox 360's media capabilities, then maybe the Xbox 360 Core System is the right choice for you. If you don't want to download lots of Xbox Live content yet and don't want to play original Xbox games yet, buy the Xbox 360 Core System and add the hard drive accessory when you're ready.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']So it's not even the huge mega-mote? Lame.[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer the smaller one if its got the same buttons. If the retail version has exclusive buttons, that would be stupid.
 
The hard truth is that we let rumor and supposition replace reality in our expectations. Until the real numbers were announce we had no business letting ourselves get attached to fantasy numbers.

This would be far less of a disappointment if the original Xbox wasn't going out of production and soon disappearing from retail availability for new units. If it weren't for this it would feel more acceptable, to me at least, for the Xbox 360 to be a high end product that gradually worked its way into a mainstream price point. Having that gap in Microsoft product line when the original Xbox can no longer bought new is a factor in forcing them to offer a lower price package that doesn't match what we were led to expect in terms of base functionality.

I can't complain all that much since I cannot consider such a purchase until late next year at the soonest but OTOH, the attractiveness of waiting to buy a system well after launch is good availability of discounted games. The stronger the launch the better the prospects for us late adopters when the time comes.
 
I have plenty of games on my original Xbox to play before I get an Xbox 360 or even a PS3. I can wait a few years until a bigger price drop.
 
[quote name='supadupacheap']I love all the outrage over the price. So $350 was ok but $400 makes them pure evil.
Everybody tends to talk tough but when launch time comes, a lot of you guys will pay even though you claim you wont. People always find a way to find the extra cash when its something they want or its hot. (see PSP) This will be no different. Once the PR machine gets rolling full tilt and a few guys and gals here pick one up and start posting about it, most of you will turn to the dark side.[/QUOTE]

Im not outraged at the price. I'm pissed off at the fact they decided to split the consumers. You know most parents are going to go for the 299$ version becuase its cheaper. So now developers are probably not going to really support the hdd at all. Now with the current xbox and the HDD we have downloadable content and levels, save games, file caching for faster load times. But will all that be supported on the 360 as much as it was on the current xbox now that its not in every system?
 
EVERYBODY READ: (taken from xbox365)

Quote:
Alright I've seen a lot of xbox faithful suddenly turn around like they got sucker punched but I'm going to take a minute and explain some things from my MS sources.

All right first thing first is that 85% of the Xbox360's Made will be the Premium Package that includes the HDD. The other 15% will be the core systems without the HDD.

Game developers are aware of this, with a 85% HDD attach rate from the start combined with MS's tools, makes it easy to enable disc caching and take advantage of it and also make tags to cache to RAM when the HDD is not present.

The HDD in the 360 is a 20Gb SATA 2.5" Laptop drive that weighs considerably less and is roughly 3x-5x faster than the HDD found in the original Xbox. This HDD is not a 20gb drive you can find for $15 at a flea market. It costs considerably more.

Developers are still writing games to cache to a HDD just like they always have on the Xbox. Those Xbox360's that do not have a HDD will experience 2x-3x more loading time. Also the absence of the ability to save music and save game data will be the only con of not having a HDD.

Those of you who think this idea will flop take a moment to consider that if Core Xbox360's are few in number and are not widely available like the Premium Xbox30 bundle is, which console do you think those mommies and daddies are going to buy? The one they can find almost anywhere as Christmas approaches fast or the one they don’t see as often and offers fewer features?

When it comes to crunch time people are going to spend the extra $100 to guarantee that they will be able to give their son or daughter the gift they want.

All you hardcore faithful have not been forgotten. The HDD will still play a very important role in the Xbox360 just as it has with the original Xbox. Nothing has changed from the Developers standpoint. And nothing has changed from the amount of features available to the Hardcore gamer.

If anything has changed it's that we have a limited price choice and for some people that is what matters the most.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats what a lot of people like to say, but you're actually getting over $100 in accessories (at retail price), before you even factor in the hard drive.

Wireless Controller: $10 ($50, subtracting the cost of the corded controller, $40)
Headset: $20
Component Cables: $40
Media Remote: $30

And on top of that, the hard drive goes for $100, for a total of $200 in stuff for only $100 more. Gee, doesn't that, you know, sound like you're getting a deal here? Considering the PS3 is projected at $399 or more, without any of this extra crap.

Besides, I'm sure there will be a price drop when PS3 launches, I think they're just hitting up the early adopters for some extra money while they can.[/QUOTE]
What kind of soap do you use to clean your face after you finish sucking Microsoft's dick?
 
Did anybody really not expect this to launch at $399? I think its actually an alright package for the price, granted I won't be paying that for it. You get a lot with it at least. The only thing that has me worried is the wireless controller running on AA batteries, I refuse to use anything that uses batteries like that. I would just sell off the wireless since I don't care about it anyway and get a wired controller and put the extra towards a game.

And for the free Xbox 360, Gratis has never skimped before. The Ipod shuffle was the bigger more expensive version. I got a tv from them and the bill to them was $485, for the same amount of referrals as the Xbox. I don't think they will have a problem getting the $399 version. Their descripition even says it includes a detachable hard drive and wireless controller.
 
I dont know if anyone mentioned it, but it says on the xbox site, that the 360 core, comes with the HD component cables, but in the OP it just states that its the regular composite ones
 
[quote name='cyrix`']is your mavav sig serious?


and r u a mom?[/QUOTE]
Do you think that allowing mature videogames to go unregulated by the federal government is a joke?

You seem like the type of kid who has gotten twisted by violent images that occured while playing a mature game. It's not healthy for someone like you to be playing these games, that's why I believe that we need to hold game developers and publishers accountable for the trash they release.

Yes, I am a mom and I am against violent videogames. My son recently got beat up at school by some kid who plays violent games. Do you think thats a joke?
 
[quote name='h2dk']EVERYBODY READ: (taken from xbox365)

Quote:
Alright I've seen a lot of xbox faithful suddenly turn around like they got sucker punched but I'm going to take a minute and explain some things from my MS sources.

All right first thing first is that 85% of the Xbox360's Made will be the Premium Package that includes the HDD. The other 15% will be the core systems without the HDD.

Game developers are aware of this, with a 85% HDD attach rate from the start combined with MS's tools, makes it easy to enable disc caching and take advantage of it and also make tags to cache to RAM when the HDD is not present.

The HDD in the 360 is a 20Gb SATA 2.5" Laptop drive that weighs considerably less and is roughly 3x-5x faster than the HDD found in the original Xbox. This HDD is not a 20gb drive you can find for $15 at a flea market. It costs considerably more.

Developers are still writing games to cache to a HDD just like they always have on the Xbox. Those Xbox360's that do not have a HDD will experience 2x-3x more loading time. Also the absence of the ability to save music and save game data will be the only con of not having a HDD.

Those of you who think this idea will flop take a moment to consider that if Core Xbox360's are few in number and are not widely available like the Premium Xbox30 bundle is, which console do you think those mommies and daddies are going to buy? The one they can find almost anywhere as Christmas approaches fast or the one they don’t see as often and offers fewer features?

When it comes to crunch time people are going to spend the extra $100 to guarantee that they will be able to give their son or daughter the gift they want.

All you hardcore faithful have not been forgotten. The HDD will still play a very important role in the Xbox360 just as it has with the original Xbox. Nothing has changed from the Developers standpoint. And nothing has changed from the amount of features available to the Hardcore gamer.

If anything has changed it's that we have a limited price choice and for some people that is what matters the most.[/QUOTE]

so the HDD is only used for caching to lessen loading times (and game saves and soundtracks of course)? nothing else for developers to take advantage of and develop around the HDD? was that how it was for the original xbox too?
 
Anyone else besides me who doesnt really need a single thing the $399 version offers?

Yes i agree it's the better value, but i would rather wait for a $199-249 360 lite version than pay $400 for a bunch of crap that i can live without.
 
[quote name='hcamacho']do u guys remembered, what happened to the ps2 hardrive, is MS nuts!sorry u MS....one console 2 formats = failure![/QUOTE]

Not really. PS2 HDD was just an afterthought that was poorly put together. This HDD will be able to do caching, so faster load times,etc. You can download mods and user-created content. You can put your whole music collection onto your xbox. You need the HDD to do B/C and all games support custom soundtracks, which needs a HDD. The HDD is pretty much essential if you want the "full" xbox 360 experience.
 
[quote name='hcamacho']do u guys remembered, what happened to the ps2 hardrive, is MS nuts!sorry u MS....one console 2 formats = failure![/QUOTE]

did you not read post # 328?
 
you know what drives me nuts....If this were Sony saying the PS3 was $399 everyone would be cheering this.....what is really the dam difference here? I think a lot of people have tunnel vision on this announcement. $400 for a next-gen system.......thats about Right on par with what it should be given the history of the new system launch prices......WHY IS EVERYONE SHOCKED???
 
Wireless controller only gets 30 hours of battery life?

Wow, that's pretty weak... Logitech's can get at least 100 - 150 out of theirs.
 
As a proud member of the Wal-Mart family, I'll be getting the $399.99 Xbox and a $59.99 game for $442.96 after tax.
 
[quote name='Explosion']As a proud member of the Wal-Mart family, I'll be getting the $399.99 Xbox and a $59.99 game for $442.96 after tax.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I hear ya there.

I don't work at Wal-Mart (I work at a competitor :p) but I'll be able to get an Xbox 360 for 360 bucks :D That makes this pill a little better to swallow.

Hopefully Microsoft dosen't fuck over my store and just send me the 299 version.
 
Walmart offers an employee discount on hardware?

wtf is that? I work at EBgames, who traffics solely in videogame hardware, software, and accessories, and the most i get is a 15% employee discount on non-hardware purchases. (well 25% after Edge is nice at least)

but still, that's pretty ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Explosion']As a proud member of the Wal-Mart family, I'll be getting the $399.99 Xbox and a $59.99 game for $442.96 after tax.[/QUOTE]

Ditto my Mom works for Wal Mart and that is how I got a cheap launch DS :D
10% off is great for hardware. I will be getting my 360 for $360.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']What kind of soap do you use to clean your face after you finish sucking Microsoft's dick?[/QUOTE]
The same kind your mother used after she blowed me last night.

My post was meant for the people who decided that they're paying $100 for a 20gb HD when they can supposedly buy one for $15 (stupid argument), and the people that decided that the PS3 for $400 with no hard drive and no accesories is a better deal.

You do get more than just the hard drive for the extra $100.
 
[quote name='varsitygamer']Walmart offers an employee discount on hardware?

wtf is that? I work at EBgames, who traffics solely in videogame hardware, software, and accessories, and the most i get is a 15% employee discount on non-hardware purchases. (well 25% after Edge is nice at least)

but still, that's pretty ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

If they are like my store, then they just offer a blanket 10% discount on everything in the store, no exclusions.
 
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