Xbox 360 Game Install Sizes and Loading Times: 900+ games! (Celebrating 5+ years!)
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask.
I borrowed a copy of a friends COD4 which disc is scratched pretty bad my xbox can barely read it half of the time. Could I go out rent a copy of the game, install that and leave my buddies in my disc tray and be able to play perfectly again?
I borrowed a copy of a friends COD4 which disc is scratched pretty bad my xbox can barely read it half of the time. Could I go out rent a copy of the game, install that and leave my buddies in my disc tray and be able to play perfectly again?
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Call Of Juarez 2 is 5.4 GIGs, if I remember correctly.
I never played it uninstalled, but loading is incredibly fast when it's installed.
After I die, it takes LESS THAN 3 seconds to start playing again.
I never played it uninstalled, but loading is incredibly fast when it's installed.
After I die, it takes LESS THAN 3 seconds to start playing again.
The King of Fighters XII - 703 MB - WHITE - Not much change at all.
From DVD
Fight Start - 4 seconds
Character Switch - 3 seconds
From HDD
Fight Start - 1 second
Characer Switch - 3 seconds
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This is probably the first game that has gone below the normal 3.4GB minimal limit for HDD installs. What gets me is that this was done with the new NXE dashboard (I'm currently in the preview for the update coming in August). I'm perplexed by this so I'm going to do a quick test of a few more known titles to see if this new dash changes install sizes. Until I have confirmation on why KOF12 is so small, please don't update the list with this information until I find out more information.
Thanks in advance.
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Just did a quick test of 2 games already on the list. Got some good news, some bad news, and some good news.
Good News: The new NXE produces smaller install sizes for disc based games. While you still need the disc to play the game from the HDD, the amount of space taken up by the installed game is smaller than before. Aside from The King of Fighters XII, the following were tested out for this quick evaluation:
-Street Fighter 4 - 4.6GB
-Raiden Fighters Aces - 484MB
Bad News: This change in installation size means that almost every game will have to be re-checked on the new NXE. Over 400 games being checked again doesn't exactly spell fun.
Good News: From what I could tell, the reduced file sizes don't seem to change the performance ratings from before. While this may mean that Halo 3 still runs poorly off of the HDD, it also means that not all 400+ games have to be checked for performance again. Raiden Fighters Aces and Street Fighter 4, for example, had the same performance ratings as before.
With the August update changing the whole procedure we've been accustomed to for a year now, the question is what do we do now? Do we keep having others try to update this list until the update hits or do we just stop this now and go for a new thread with new list based on the new NXE install sizes? Please advise, SynGamer, since you started this list in the first place. In the meantime, I'l gather up the new install sizes with the games I already have. 3 down, 188 to go
From DVD
Fight Start - 4 seconds
Character Switch - 3 seconds
From HDD
Fight Start - 1 second
Characer Switch - 3 seconds
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This is probably the first game that has gone below the normal 3.4GB minimal limit for HDD installs. What gets me is that this was done with the new NXE dashboard (I'm currently in the preview for the update coming in August). I'm perplexed by this so I'm going to do a quick test of a few more known titles to see if this new dash changes install sizes. Until I have confirmation on why KOF12 is so small, please don't update the list with this information until I find out more information.
Thanks in advance.
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Just did a quick test of 2 games already on the list. Got some good news, some bad news, and some good news.
Good News: The new NXE produces smaller install sizes for disc based games. While you still need the disc to play the game from the HDD, the amount of space taken up by the installed game is smaller than before. Aside from The King of Fighters XII, the following were tested out for this quick evaluation:
-Street Fighter 4 - 4.6GB
-Raiden Fighters Aces - 484MB
Bad News: This change in installation size means that almost every game will have to be re-checked on the new NXE. Over 400 games being checked again doesn't exactly spell fun.
Good News: From what I could tell, the reduced file sizes don't seem to change the performance ratings from before. While this may mean that Halo 3 still runs poorly off of the HDD, it also means that not all 400+ games have to be checked for performance again. Raiden Fighters Aces and Street Fighter 4, for example, had the same performance ratings as before.
With the August update changing the whole procedure we've been accustomed to for a year now, the question is what do we do now? Do we keep having others try to update this list until the update hits or do we just stop this now and go for a new thread with new list based on the new NXE install sizes? Please advise, SynGamer, since you started this list in the first place. In the meantime, I'l gather up the new install sizes with the games I already have. 3 down, 188 to go
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I have the update so I decided to test it out on 6 games.
Forza 2 went from 5.3gb to 4.7gb (-11.32%)
NHL09 went from 5.7gb to 5.0gb (-12.28%)
COD4 went from 6.7gb to 6.5gb (-2.99%)
CODWaW went from 6.5 gb to 6.4gb (-1.54%)
Sacred 2 went from 6.5gb to 6.3gb (-3.08%)
Left 4 Dead went from 4gb to 3.7gb (-26.00%)
Total savings = 3.1gb
Overall, it seems like reinstalling your games is only worth it if you're near the brim in terms of free space. The total savings was only 8.68% for the six games I tested. So just extrapolating from this for 100gb I'd save 8.7gb with the new installation sizes netting me an additional game on my 120gb. Other than the huge gains on smaller games, it probably isn't worth it to reinstall everything.
edit: decided to test the only "small" (3.4-3.5gb install) game I have.. Earth Defense Force 2017 went from 3.4gb to 1.6gb
Forza 2 went from 5.3gb to 4.7gb (-11.32%)
NHL09 went from 5.7gb to 5.0gb (-12.28%)
COD4 went from 6.7gb to 6.5gb (-2.99%)
CODWaW went from 6.5 gb to 6.4gb (-1.54%)
Sacred 2 went from 6.5gb to 6.3gb (-3.08%)
Left 4 Dead went from 4gb to 3.7gb (-26.00%)
Total savings = 3.1gb
Overall, it seems like reinstalling your games is only worth it if you're near the brim in terms of free space. The total savings was only 8.68% for the six games I tested. So just extrapolating from this for 100gb I'd save 8.7gb with the new installation sizes netting me an additional game on my 120gb. Other than the huge gains on smaller games, it probably isn't worth it to reinstall everything.
edit: decided to test the only "small" (3.4-3.5gb install) game I have.. Earth Defense Force 2017 went from 3.4gb to 1.6gb
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I think for the time being, anyone with the update can continue to post game sizes and performance. The update will go live to everyone on the 11th I believe. I'll make a note of this in the first post, can't believe MS has been 
ing us over space wise for so long. I smell a lawsuit coming (charing $100+ for the 120GB HDD when some people may not have needed that much space?)...
ing us over space wise for so long. I smell a lawsuit coming (charing $100+ for the 120GB HDD when some people may not have needed that much space?)...[quote name='Azumangaman']Call Of Juarez 2 is 5.4 GIGs, if I remember correctly.
I never played it uninstalled, but loading is incredibly fast when it's installed.
After I die, it takes LESS THAN 3 seconds to start playing again.[/QUOTE]
Are you in the new update preview?
I never played it uninstalled, but loading is incredibly fast when it's installed.
After I die, it takes LESS THAN 3 seconds to start playing again.[/QUOTE]
Are you in the new update preview?
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[quote name='SynGamer']Are you in the new update preview?[/QUOTE]
Nope!
Nope!
[quote name='sony']I have the update so I decided to test it out on 6 games.
Forza 2 went from 5.3gb to 4.7gb (-11.32%)
NHL09 went from 5.7gb to 5.0gb (-12.28%)
COD4 went from 6.7gb to 6.5gb (-2.99%)
CODWaW went from 6.5 gb to 6.4gb (-1.54%)
Sacred 2 went from 6.5gb to 6.3gb (-3.08%)
Left 4 Dead went from 4gb to 3.7gb (-7.50%)
Total savings = 2.1gb
Overall, it seems like reinstalling your games is only worth it if you're near the brim in terms of free space. The total savings was only 6.05% for the six games I tested. So just extrapolating from this for 100gb I'd save 6gb with the new installation sizes netting me an additional game on my 120gb. Other than the huge gains on smaller games, it probably isn't worth it to reinstall everything.
edit: decided to test the only "small" (3.4-3.5gb install) game I have.. Earth Defense Force 2017 went from 3.4gb to 1.6gb[/QUOTE]
Thanks, this is a big help, really shows just how much MS screwed us over before. One thing though, Left 4 Dead was reported as 5.0GB, so did you mean 5GB down to 4.7GB?
Forza 2 went from 5.3gb to 4.7gb (-11.32%)
NHL09 went from 5.7gb to 5.0gb (-12.28%)
COD4 went from 6.7gb to 6.5gb (-2.99%)
CODWaW went from 6.5 gb to 6.4gb (-1.54%)
Sacred 2 went from 6.5gb to 6.3gb (-3.08%)
Left 4 Dead went from 4gb to 3.7gb (-7.50%)
Total savings = 2.1gb
Overall, it seems like reinstalling your games is only worth it if you're near the brim in terms of free space. The total savings was only 6.05% for the six games I tested. So just extrapolating from this for 100gb I'd save 6gb with the new installation sizes netting me an additional game on my 120gb. Other than the huge gains on smaller games, it probably isn't worth it to reinstall everything.
edit: decided to test the only "small" (3.4-3.5gb install) game I have.. Earth Defense Force 2017 went from 3.4gb to 1.6gb[/QUOTE]
Thanks, this is a big help, really shows just how much MS screwed us over before. One thing though, Left 4 Dead was reported as 5.0GB, so did you mean 5GB down to 4.7GB?
Halo 3 - 5.7GB
Left 4 Dead - 3.7GB (Confirmed the post earlier)
Will check the rest of my collection and will post in bulk of probably 5 to 10 games per post so I don't end up posting too much. It'll take some time obviously and I'll try not to overlap ones already posted.
Left 4 Dead - 3.7GB (Confirmed the post earlier)
Will check the rest of my collection and will post in bulk of probably 5 to 10 games per post so I don't end up posting too much. It'll take some time obviously and I'll try not to overlap ones already posted.
Some new game install sizes straight from the closed xbox.com forums:
Battlefield: Bad Company - 6.2GB
The Simpsons Game: 4.1GB
Tom Clancy's EndWar: 4.8GB
The Orange Box: 3.9GB
Burnout Paradise: 2.8 GB
Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts: 6.2GB
You're In the Movies: 4.7GB
Lips: 3.8 GB
Scene It! Box Office Smash: 5.0 GB
Trivial Pursuit: 1.5 GB
Kameo: 5.4GB
Amped 3: 6.0 GB
FIFA 09: 5.3GB
Fallout 3: 5.5GB
Mass Effect: 6.8GB
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I wouldn't go around thinking lawsuit just yet. My guess is that because of the upcoming Games On Demand service, the research devoted to that made them reprogram the dash in such a way as to ignore security and dummy files used on DVDs for loading purposes. The old dash probably wasn't designed to read those images without the files, thus the large file sizes.
I'm going to continue testing the games I have today and check a few of them for any performance gains. Again, based on the few I did last night I think that performance will be the same as before but I just want to make sure before making that theory a fact.
Battlefield: Bad Company - 6.2GB
The Simpsons Game: 4.1GB
Tom Clancy's EndWar: 4.8GB
The Orange Box: 3.9GB
Burnout Paradise: 2.8 GB
Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts: 6.2GB
You're In the Movies: 4.7GB
Lips: 3.8 GB
Scene It! Box Office Smash: 5.0 GB
Trivial Pursuit: 1.5 GB
Kameo: 5.4GB
Amped 3: 6.0 GB
FIFA 09: 5.3GB
Fallout 3: 5.5GB
Mass Effect: 6.8GB
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I wouldn't go around thinking lawsuit just yet. My guess is that because of the upcoming Games On Demand service, the research devoted to that made them reprogram the dash in such a way as to ignore security and dummy files used on DVDs for loading purposes. The old dash probably wasn't designed to read those images without the files, thus the large file sizes.
I'm going to continue testing the games I have today and check a few of them for any performance gains. Again, based on the few I did last night I think that performance will be the same as before but I just want to make sure before making that theory a fact.
[quote name='dumlaox']A few more coming in from that forum:
Tales of Vesperia - 6.6GB
Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad - 2.8GB
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom - 4.1GB[/QUOTE]
Wait, ToV went up in size??? I'm going to wait for someone to confirm that one.
Tales of Vesperia - 6.6GB
Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad - 2.8GB
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom - 4.1GB[/QUOTE]
Wait, ToV went up in size??? I'm going to wait for someone to confirm that one.
[quote name='dumlaox']I wouldn't go around thinking lawsuit just yet. My guess is that because of the upcoming Games On Demand service, the research devoted to that made them reprogram the dash in such a way as to ignore security and dummy files used on DVDs for loading purposes. The old dash probably wasn't designed to read those images without the files, thus the large file sizes.[/QUOTE]
If every game shrunk by approximately the same amount, it would make sense. However when a game like Raiden shrinks roughly 85%, it's hard to think that would be the case.
EDIT:
Red Faction: Guerrilla - 6.4GB
If every game shrunk by approximately the same amount, it would make sense. However when a game like Raiden shrinks roughly 85%, it's hard to think that would be the case.
EDIT:
Red Faction: Guerrilla - 6.4GB
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According to the xbox.com poster, Tales of Vesperia clocked in at 6.7GB. I have the game so I'll confirm it for you later today.
Security files may all be the same size but dummy files can vary. During the testing process for any game, programmers usually have DVD read speeds in mind when putting out the disc layout. If they need certain files to be on the outer layer and the previous files just aren't putting it there, dummy files will be made to help pad things out to force the file(s) there. While it might not be necessary for bigger games to dummy everything out, smaller games seem to use them a lot. Previous research has shown that 3.4 is the magic number for these smaller games so with the new dash those 3.4GB games will show off just how much dummy space they use.
BTW, everyone here is posting sizes from the US consoles, right? Just had a guy from Europe posting in the xbox.com forums and he's got the following sizes:
Gears of War 2 : 6.7 GB -> 6.3 GB
GTA IV : 6.8 GB -> 6.5 GB
Call fo duty WaW : 6.6 GB -> 6.6 GB
Call fo duty 4 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
FUEL : 4.2 GB -> 3.7 GB
Fable 2 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
His theory is that we might be seeing the dash start to figure out whether or not some language files are needed before the option to install is given. NOt sure how much I buy that just yet but seeing the COD numbers he's providing makes me wonder a bit.
Security files may all be the same size but dummy files can vary. During the testing process for any game, programmers usually have DVD read speeds in mind when putting out the disc layout. If they need certain files to be on the outer layer and the previous files just aren't putting it there, dummy files will be made to help pad things out to force the file(s) there. While it might not be necessary for bigger games to dummy everything out, smaller games seem to use them a lot. Previous research has shown that 3.4 is the magic number for these smaller games so with the new dash those 3.4GB games will show off just how much dummy space they use.
BTW, everyone here is posting sizes from the US consoles, right? Just had a guy from Europe posting in the xbox.com forums and he's got the following sizes:
Gears of War 2 : 6.7 GB -> 6.3 GB
GTA IV : 6.8 GB -> 6.5 GB
Call fo duty WaW : 6.6 GB -> 6.6 GB
Call fo duty 4 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
FUEL : 4.2 GB -> 3.7 GB
Fable 2 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
His theory is that we might be seeing the dash start to figure out whether or not some language files are needed before the option to install is given. NOt sure how much I buy that just yet but seeing the COD numbers he's providing makes me wonder a bit.
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[quote name='SynGamer']Thanks, this is a big help, really shows just how much MS screwed us over before. One thing though, Left 4 Dead was reported as 5.0GB, so did you mean 5GB down to 4.7GB?[/QUOTE]
Whoops.
I updated my post.
[quote name='dumlaox'] Previous research has shown that 3.4 is the magic number for these smaller games so with the new dash those 3.4GB games will show off just how much dummy space they use.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it seems like it is cutting out a lot of padding/dummy files considering some of the games that have seen more significant drops are smaller games. Even L4D which was at 5GB saw a 26% decrease in size though
Whoops.
I updated my post.[quote name='dumlaox'] Previous research has shown that 3.4 is the magic number for these smaller games so with the new dash those 3.4GB games will show off just how much dummy space they use.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it seems like it is cutting out a lot of padding/dummy files considering some of the games that have seen more significant drops are smaller games. Even L4D which was at 5GB saw a 26% decrease in size though
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Call of Duty 2 - 5.3GB
Call of Duty 3 - 5.8GB
Call of Duty 4 - 6.5GB
Will post more later!
Call of Duty 3 - 5.8GB
Call of Duty 4 - 6.5GB
Will post more later!
[quote name='dumlaox']According to the xbox.com poster, Tales of Vesperia clocked in at 6.7GB. I have the game so I'll confirm it for you later today.
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BTW, everyone here is posting sizes from the US consoles, right? Just had a guy from Europe posting in the xbox.com forums and he's got the following sizes:
Gears of War 2 : 6.7 GB -> 6.3 GB
GTA IV : 6.8 GB -> 6.5 GB
Call fo duty WaW : 6.6 GB -> 6.6 GB
Call fo duty 4 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
FUEL : 4.2 GB -> 3.7 GB
Fable 2 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
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If that's true, we should negate any numbers from xbox.com until they begin to specify what region they're from. The four on CAG so far who have posted should be from NA/NTSC unless they lie about their location in their profile, so it should be fine. Should definitely note if it's from another region outside of NA/NTSC though.
Anyways, here are some more:
Call of Duty: World at War - 6.4GB
Ghostbusters - 6.2GB
Army of Two - 5.0GB
Tales of Vesperia - 5.4GB
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat - 6.4GB
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BTW, everyone here is posting sizes from the US consoles, right? Just had a guy from Europe posting in the xbox.com forums and he's got the following sizes:
Gears of War 2 : 6.7 GB -> 6.3 GB
GTA IV : 6.8 GB -> 6.5 GB
Call fo duty WaW : 6.6 GB -> 6.6 GB
Call fo duty 4 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
FUEL : 4.2 GB -> 3.7 GB
Fable 2 : 6.5 GB -> 6.5 GB
...[/QUOTE]
If that's true, we should negate any numbers from xbox.com until they begin to specify what region they're from. The four on CAG so far who have posted should be from NA/NTSC unless they lie about their location in their profile, so it should be fine. Should definitely note if it's from another region outside of NA/NTSC though.
Anyways, here are some more:
Call of Duty: World at War - 6.4GB
Ghostbusters - 6.2GB
Army of Two - 5.0GB
Tales of Vesperia - 5.4GB
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat - 6.4GB
Assassin's Creed - 6.6GB
Battle Fantasia - 1.2GB
Bee Movie Game - 2.8GB
Beautiful Katamari - 2.7GB
Bionic Commando - 6.5GB
Bioshock - 4.7GB
I'm in the process of checking the xbox.com forum posts to see where they come from. I'll repost any valid US games here again so we can have a more definitive list.
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Just checked the profiles of those who posed on xbox.com. Here are the following results from those posters who are from the US:
Battlefield: Bad Company - 6.5GB
The Simpsons game: was 4.7 GB - now 4.1 GB
EndWar: was 5.1 GB - now 4.8 GB
The Orange Box: was 4.7 GB - now 3.9 GB
Burnout Paradise: was 3.4 GB - now 2.8 GB
Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts: was 6.6 GB - now 6.2 GB
You're In the Movies: WAS 5.8 GB - NOW 4.7 GB
Lips: Was 4.7 GB - Now 3.8 GB
Scene It! Box Office Smash: WAS 6.8 GB - NOW 5.0 GB
Trivial Pursuit: WAS 3.4 GB - NOW 1.5 GB
Kameo: was 5.9 - now 5.4
Amped 3: was 6.7 GB - now 6.0 GB
Battle Fantasia - 1.2GB
Bee Movie Game - 2.8GB
Beautiful Katamari - 2.7GB
Bionic Commando - 6.5GB
Bioshock - 4.7GB
I'm in the process of checking the xbox.com forum posts to see where they come from. I'll repost any valid US games here again so we can have a more definitive list.
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Just checked the profiles of those who posed on xbox.com. Here are the following results from those posters who are from the US:
Battlefield: Bad Company - 6.5GB
The Simpsons game: was 4.7 GB - now 4.1 GB
EndWar: was 5.1 GB - now 4.8 GB
The Orange Box: was 4.7 GB - now 3.9 GB
Burnout Paradise: was 3.4 GB - now 2.8 GB
Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts: was 6.6 GB - now 6.2 GB
You're In the Movies: WAS 5.8 GB - NOW 4.7 GB
Lips: Was 4.7 GB - Now 3.8 GB
Scene It! Box Office Smash: WAS 6.8 GB - NOW 5.0 GB
Trivial Pursuit: WAS 3.4 GB - NOW 1.5 GB
Kameo: was 5.9 - now 5.4
Amped 3: was 6.7 GB - now 6.0 GB
Actually, SynGamer, the size I originally posted was 6.8GB (page 33, #647). You got it down on the list as 5.8GB so the new size of 6.5GB is still considered a reduction from before.
Blitz: The League 2 - 6.7GB
Blitz: The League - 6.3GB
Blazing Angels 2: Secret Weapons of WW2 - 6.2GB
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger - 3.0GB
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WW2 - 2.6GB
Blitz: The League 2 - 6.7GB
Blitz: The League - 6.3GB
Blazing Angels 2: Secret Weapons of WW2 - 6.2GB
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger - 3.0GB
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WW2 - 2.6GB
[quote name='KingBroly']Apparently the NXE Preview update has caused changes in install sizes for 360 games.[/QUOTE]
You're a little late.
Also it seems the EU PAL versions are different sizes too. Don't know if they were originally, but it makes sense since they are often multi-language to accomodate a larger variety of countries.
You're a little late.
Also it seems the EU PAL versions are different sizes too. Don't know if they were originally, but it makes sense since they are often multi-language to accomodate a larger variety of countries.
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NCAA Football 10 now only requires 5.5 GB instead of the 6.2 listed in the OP.
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[quote name='KingBroly']Apparently the NXE Preview update has caused changes in install sizes for 360 games.[/QUOTE]Nuh uh. Where'd you see that at? Proof or I'm calling bullshit.
[quote name='Insider']Hey guys. Just signed up to see if I can help with the list, but I'm from the UK so my installs will be for European versions. Is that still of any interest for comparison sake, or do you want the list to remain US only?[/QUOTE]
If you go to GameInstalls.com I believe you can post your results there and specify what region you are from.
If you go to GameInstalls.com I believe you can post your results there and specify what region you are from.
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They are. Read the first post. 
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Conan requires 5.2 GB's now instead of the original 6 GB's from before.
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More Games:
Too Human - 6.2 GB - No Change
Viva Pinata - 4.9 GB - .1 GB less
Gears of War - 6.3 GB - .2 GB less
Fable II - 6.6 GB - .2 GB less
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - 6.4 GB - .2 GB less
Stranglehold - 6.7 GB - No Change
Dead Rising - 5.9 GB - .7 GB less
Not much change overall, but it can add up if you have a few games installed. I learned that it takes some extra time for the install option to appear.
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Too Human - 6.2 GB - No Change
Viva Pinata - 4.9 GB - .1 GB less
Gears of War - 6.3 GB - .2 GB less
Fable II - 6.6 GB - .2 GB less
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - 6.4 GB - .2 GB less
Stranglehold - 6.7 GB - No Change
Dead Rising - 5.9 GB - .7 GB less
Not much change overall, but it can add up if you have a few games installed. I learned that it takes some extra time for the install option to appear.
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