Xbox 360 not wifi???

I guess you guys don't like to read. It's been known for a while that the Xbox 360 would need a seperate adapter to allow for wi-fi connections since it only has the ethernet ports right out of the box. Maybe that higher price bundle would include one with it?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I guess you guys don't like to read. It's been known for a while that the Xbox 360 would need a seperate adapter to allow for wi-fi connections since it only has the ethernet ports right out of the box. Maybe that higher price bundle would include one with it?[/QUOTE]

No, we're just not news freaks like yourself koolaid man.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I guess you guys don't like to read. It's been known for a while that the Xbox 360 would need a seperate adapter to allow for wi-fi connections since it only has the ethernet ports right out of the box. Maybe that higher price bundle would include one with it?[/QUOTE]


It just seems like the Xbox 360 is getting rushed, and ever new article seems like a negative one. Very limited backwards compatability, with no confirmation of how long until Mircosoft starts adding more games, possible HD add on for later models of the Xbox 360 leaving the early adopters screwed, and now this.

I hate having to buy shit that should have just been included in the first place. I would have thought that the Xbox 360, out of all the consoles, would be the one with the wifi considering Xbox Live was the biggest pioneer of online console gamiing.

It seems that everything about the Xbox 360 is half-asses thus far, even this article (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636018p1.html) has developers showing dissapointment in the lastest kits Microsoft sent out. We've yet to see screen shots that look a whole gen better than the current hardware, so what the Hell is going on?

The Xbox was easily my favorite console this gen, and I feel like it broke amazing new grounds with the addition of a hard-drive, and a very advance online gaming service. Not to mention for being thought of as a major underdog in the begining, it turned out second in the console wars, topping the long-time gaming gods, Nintendo. With the Xbox 360 though, I feel everything is one step forward, two steps back, and that worries me because I have $200 down on it already, and I sold my Xbox for it.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']It just seems like the Xbox 360 is getting rushed, and ever new article seems like a negative one. Very limited backwards compatability, with no confirmation of how long until Mircosoft starts adding more games, possible HD add on for later models of the Xbox 360 leaving the early adopters screwed, and now this.

I hate having ot buy shit that should have just been included in the first place. I would have thought that the Xbox 360 out of all the consoles would be the one with the wifi considering Xbox Live was the biggest pioneer of online console gamiing.

It seems that everything about the Xbox 360 is half-asses thus far, even this article (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636018p1.html) has developers showing dissapointment in the lastest kits Microsoft sent out. We've yet to see screen shots that look a whole gen better than the current hardware, so what the Hell is going on?

The Xbox was easily my favorite console this gen, and I feel like it broke amazing new grounds with the addition of a hard-drive, and a very advance online gaming service. Not to mention for being thought of as a major underdog in the begining, it turned out second in the console wars, topping the long-time gaming gods, Nintendo. With the Xbox 360 though, I feel everything is one step forward, two steps back, and that worries me because I have $200 down on it already, and I sold my Xbox for it.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% - it's looking more and more like a bad rush job. I don't see the big deal in getting it out first - it's a crapshoot. Sometimes it works (Genesis, PS1) and sometimes it doesn't (Dreamcast). Just get it right and people will buy it.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']It just seems like the Xbox 360 is getting rushed, and ever new article seems like a negative one. Very limited backwards compatability, with no confirmation of how long until Mircosoft starts adding more games, possible HD add on for later models of the Xbox 360 leaving the early adopters screwed, and now this.

I hate having to buy shit that should have just been included in the first place. I would have thought that the Xbox 360, out of all the consoles, would be the one with the wifi considering Xbox Live was the biggest pioneer of online console gamiing.

It seems that everything about the Xbox 360 is half-asses thus far, even this article (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636018p1.html) has developers showing dissapointment in the lastest kits Microsoft sent out. We've yet to see screen shots that look a whole gen better than the current hardware, so what the Hell is going on?

The Xbox was easily my favorite console this gen, and I feel like it broke amazing new grounds with the addition of a hard-drive, and a very advance online gaming service. Not to mention for being thought of as a major underdog in the begining, it turned out second in the console wars, topping the long-time gaming gods, Nintendo. With the Xbox 360 though, I feel everything is one step forward, two steps back, and that worries me because I have $200 down on it already, and I sold my Xbox for it.[/QUOTE]

I agree entirely with these sentiments. With that in mind, I recommend you hop on aboard the free xbox360 referral pyramid scheme (looks at sig). That way, if you're disappointed, it's still free.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']No, we're just not news freaks like yourself koolaid man.[/QUOTE]
It was in the Microsoft conference at E3. They mentioned the wi-fi adapter there three months ago.
 
I prefer to have my Xbox on a wired network. It's faster, cheaper, more reliable, and most importantly more secure.

They most likely decided not to include wireless to A) keep the already high costs down and B) make money selling wireless adapters.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']It just seems like the Xbox 360 is getting rushed, and ever new article seems like a negative one. Very limited backwards compatability, with no confirmation of how long until Mircosoft starts adding more games, possible HD add on for later models of the Xbox 360 leaving the early adopters screwed, and now this.

I hate having to buy shit that should have just been included in the first place. I would have thought that the Xbox 360, out of all the consoles, would be the one with the wifi considering Xbox Live was the biggest pioneer of online console gamiing.

It seems that everything about the Xbox 360 is half-asses thus far, even this article (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/636/636018p1.html) has developers showing dissapointment in the lastest kits Microsoft sent out. We've yet to see screen shots that look a whole gen better than the current hardware, so what the Hell is going on?

The Xbox was easily my favorite console this gen, and I feel like it broke amazing new grounds with the addition of a hard-drive, and a very advance online gaming service. Not to mention for being thought of as a major underdog in the begining, it turned out second in the console wars, topping the long-time gaming gods, Nintendo. With the Xbox 360 though, I feel everything is one step forward, two steps back, and that worries me because I have $200 down on it already, and I sold my Xbox for it.[/QUOTE]

Ohh come on Chis the article you sourced to back up your statement is 99% about the good things developers are saying about the new kits. Developers have to learn these new systems and the new requirments and thats the only part that is really bitched about in that article.This happens each and evreytime a new system comes out. Developers are going to go crazy over how hard it's going to be on the PS3 kits because the Cell chip is so diffrent (it doesn't mean it's better just diffrent).

Second thing that ticked me off about your post is that you say there is no impressive screen shots. Well have you seen the recent G4tv.com video of Gears of WAR? If you haven't download it here http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1167/Gears-of-War/#movies. All video of the game is in REAL TIME!! It's not the CG stuff Sony showed and it's been confirmesd they showed CG. I'd also like to point you to a screen shot that caused controversy from PGR3 http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/38913/Project-Gotham-Racing-3/
the screen shot you see there is from the game not a photo from real life. Look at some of those screen shots and tell me your not impressed.

Now as far as Wifi. I'd like there be 802.11 g support built in as well, and heck it's something they might add last minute who knows. But big deal if they don't you can pick up a USB wireless adapter for it at newegg for like 20$. Micorosft more then anybody has shown there dedication to great online gaming with the Xbox Live service and what they have planed for 360 is not even close to being half-ass.
 
[quote name='generalpatton71']Ohh come on Chis the article you sourced to back up your statement is 99% about the good things developers are saying about the new kits. Developers have to learn these new systems and the new requirments and thats the only part that is really bitched about in that article.This happens each and evreytime a new system comes out. Developers are going to go crazy over how hard it's going to be on the PS3 kits because the Cell chip is so diffrent (it doesn't mean it's better just diffrent).

Second thing that ticked me off about your post is that you say there is no impressive screen shots. Well have you seen the recent G4tv.com video of Gears of WAR? If you haven't download it here http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1167/Gears-of-War/#movies. All video of the game is in REAL TIME!! It's not the CG stuff Sony showed and it's been confirmesd they showed CG. I'd also like to point you to a screen shot that caused controversy from PGR3 http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/38913/Project-Gotham-Racing-3/
the screen shot you see there is from the game not a photo from real life. Look at some of those screen shots and tell me your not impressed.

Now as far as Wifi. I'd like there be 802.11 g support built in as well, and heck it's something they might add last minute who knows. But big deal if they don't you can pick up a USB wireless adapter for it at newegg for like 20$. Micorosft more then anybody has shown there dedication to great online gaming with the Xbox Live service and what they have planed for 360 is not even close to being half-ass.[/QUOTE]


Thank you Bill Gates.
 
[quote name='Brak']I could care less if it's Wi-Fi.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I already have a wire going to my Xbox, might as well just move that wire over to my Xbox 360 and my problem is solved.

I'll grant that their audience is going to have broadband, but I'm not so convinced on the HD and wi-fi fronts. Although, if I were going to back either HD or wi-fi, I'd back wi-fi because it is just a much cheaper option.

I seriously think this whole, "OMG if you aren't HD you aren't shit" thing is overblown. Maybe it will work for Sony, because if someone is going to drop $500 on a console, they probably don't see a problem dropping $2000 on a TV. For everyone who doesn't have cash to blow, I'd say placing such import on HD is a mistake.
 
[quote name='Tromack']Exactly. I already have a wire going to my Xbox, might as well just move that wire over to my Xbox 360 and my problem is solved.

I'll grant that their audience is going to have broadband, but I'm not so convinced on the HD and wi-fi fronts. Although, if I were going to back either HD or wi-fi, I'd back wi-fi because it is just a much cheaper option.

I seriously think this whole, "OMG if you aren't HD you aren't shit" thing is overblown. Maybe it will work for Sony, because if someone is going to drop $500 on a console, they probably don't see a problem dropping $2000 on a TV. For everyone who doesn't have cash to blow, I'd say placing such import on HD is a mistake.[/QUOTE]

when you say "HD support" do you guys mean like for the HD Tvs? or do you mean the HD-DVD format games or what?

thanks
 
[quote name='Blitz']Thank you Bill Gates.[/QUOTE]

Hey I'm very happy with my Xbox and what the 360 is going to be, but I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by anymeans. I have alot of problems with the way they do some things, but they have offered exactly what I want in terms of a game system. That being said I own all three systems out right now and a DS plus a PSP. I'm very multi platform but if I see somebody saying crap that doesn't make mutch sence or confuses other people I try to correct it. I'm strongly against what Sony did at E3 and I'm certainly telling people about it and I hate to see Sony fanboys say crap like "360 games look like the first xbox games". I mean come on go look at Gears of War and PGR3 and tell me that there not the most impressive graphical games ever made so far. I plan on getting the PS3 as long the price stays below 500 and they have a good line up of games.
 
Well HDTV is hear to stay. Broadcasters are making the change at a fairly fast pace now and most TVs being sold now are HDTVs. Wifi is great and you will be able to play over 802.11 easily with a adapter. HDTV resolutions will make a great leap forward for developers and there games. I mean just look at PS1 games and then campare them to Xbox games. Alot of that diffrence comes from the higher resultions and the detail you can show in it. We looking at even a bigger jump with the HDTV era. MS and Sony has to look forward to the future. Majority of people didn't have a DVD player in 2000 when the Ps3 launched and now evreybody has one. HDTV will see a similar trend thanks to videogame systems like 360 and PS3. Now as far as online play I'm very glad Xbox live is broadband only. It makes the experince that much better. I'm sorry for the people who don't have it, but either fork out the cash or to bad. The last thing any of us on Xbox live wants to do is get a keyboad out to tell somebody something.
 
[quote name='generalpatton71']Ohh come on Chis the article you sourced to back up your statement is 99% about the good things developers are saying about the new kits. Developers have to learn these new systems and the new requirments and thats the only part that is really bitched about in that article.This happens each and evreytime a new system comes out. Developers are going to go crazy over how hard it's going to be on the PS3 kits because the Cell chip is so diffrent (it doesn't mean it's better just diffrent).

Second thing that ticked me off about your post is that you say there is no impressive screen shots. Well have you seen the recent G4tv.com video of Gears of WAR? If you haven't download it here http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1167/Gears-of-War/#movies. All video of the game is in REAL TIME!! It's not the CG stuff Sony showed and it's been confirmesd they showed CG. I'd also like to point you to a screen shot that caused controversy from PGR3 http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/38913/Project-Gotham-Racing-3/
the screen shot you see there is from the game not a photo from real life. Look at some of those screen shots and tell me your not impressed.

Now as far as Wifi. I'd like there be 802.11 g support built in as well, and heck it's something they might add last minute who knows. But big deal if they don't you can pick up a USB wireless adapter for it at newegg for like 20$. Micorosft more then anybody has shown there dedication to great online gaming with the Xbox Live service and what they have planed for 360 is not even close to being half-ass.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I'm so impressed by a single screen shot of a non-interactive environment, not to mention I still don't think it looks a whole gen better. As for Gears of War, that's even less impressive, it looks to be on the same level as Doom 3, definitely not a whole gen better, not even close. Also, just because you feel that Xbox 360 isn't going to be half-assed, doesn't mean that all the facts aren't pointing to it being so. It's pretty obvious that you're a straight up fanboy. Fanboys are the best, they'll argue that "their console" is going to be the greatest ever even though feature, after feature gets stripped away. Hell, the more bad news released about thier precious console, the more aggressive their ignorance takes over.

Me, on the other hand, I'm a guy that likes to get as much bang for his buck as possible. I want a good product for my $300, I want all the features a next-gen console should have. I want the company to sell me on their new product, and I want to read articles on it and get excited. I don't want to be some mindless person that say oh, who needs this feature, or that one, it's still going to be the best. No, I'm too smart for that. So you can go ahead and be Microsoft's, or whoever's, little fanboy-mouthpiece, but I'm going to always look out for number 1, and what I want. What I want is wireless, backwards compatiblity, and a sense of confidence in the product I'm going to invest my money in. I want to sit and look at all the many different new screensots and drool in anticipation for the games I'm going to buy because they look so good. You, on the other hand, search for those three screens that look "just ok", and keep telling yourself it'll be alright.

By the way, I'm not saying the Xbox 360 is going to suck, there's much time between now and that launch for Microsoft to come out and kick everyone's ass. All I'm saying is that I'm not going to live in denial and hope for the best, or "know" that Xbox 360 is going to kick ass. I'm going to do my research, and use common sense instead of blind fanboyism and hype when it comes to decide what is and isn't good.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I agree 100% - it's looking more and more like a bad rush job. I don't see the big deal in getting it out first - it's a crapshoot. Sometimes it works (Genesis, PS1) and sometimes it doesn't (Dreamcast). Just get it right and people will buy it.[/QUOTE]

Kind of taking things off track here, but the PS1 didn't launch first, the Saturn actually did. So that's one more for the doesn't work column I suppose.

Edit: And in regards to the topic, it is all about keeping costs down for the system parts. It's been awhile since I checked the numbers, but the percentage of internet users utilizing wi-fi was only like 9% last year. It's expected to grow ALOT over the next few years, but my guess is MS didn't want to spend the money on somehting a majority of it's buyers wont use for sometime. And as far as I know it was never actually reported, simply useless, stale rumors that all the next gen consoles would be wi-fi. You don't have to read alot of video game news to have known that, you just have to know that rumors mean hardly anything til they are confirmed by someone.
 
This is really much ado about nothing, Chris. Want WiFi? Then buy it. It is no different than the DVD Kit for the Xbox. It adds cost and is not of interest to a large portion of the market. Bringing in the base product at the lowest possible retail with the feature set most critical to developer support is the correct formula for this product.

The machine is network ready out of the box. Wireless is just an extension of that and will be transparent to developers. The games will use whatever connection is offered by firmware settings. The only issue with wireless is that a game might perform a test for latency to insure proper behavior in online multiplayer. There is no developer that is going to leave out online play options because the base system only supports wired networks and wireless is optional. It simply doesn't affect them.

For many of us the optional adapter would not be needed. Not because we wouldn't go online or can conveniently run a cable to the 360 but because we already have the needed hardware to use the console with our existing wireless networks. A substantial number of people bought wireless bridges for their current Xbox for this purpose. The frequent blowouts on Microsoft's unit at Target were mentioned often in deal threads on this site and competing brands like Linksys made a point of adding stickers to their wireless bridges packaging to promote their compatibility with the Xbox as well as PCs. For myself, I already have a Linksys wireless bridge to let my RePlayTV DVR access the internet for guide updates, remote programming via the web, and file transfers. I need only add a $10 switch and that bridge can support more internet capable device than I'm ever likely to have in my entertainment center.

The unit Microsoft is offering for the Xbox 360 is pretty nice, provided the price is reasonable. It will have support for all major current modes 802.11a, 802.11g, 802.11b. The 802.11a will come in handy for situation where the spectrum used by B and G (as well as Bluetooth and many other devices) is overloaded in crowded areas. Since far fewer people use the same band as the 802.11a mode it will allow a Xbox 360 Lan party to be spread over a large area without stringing cables and free from a bandwidth shortage due to oversubscription. The optional approach also leaves open the potential for an later version of the WiFi module to support newer wireless modes such as 802.11n, if that one ever friggin' gets out of committee.

Remember, Microsoft NEVER said WiFi was built-in, just that it would be an option. Having it built-in, based on current PC laptop manufacturing cost reports, would add a minimum of $20 to the Xbox 360 bill of materials. If the machine is to be successful it must come in at a good price without a severe loss. Some loss is acceptable but there are limits, as the company learned with their first console. Throwing in a feature that is not fully understood and/or desired by much of the market and has no bearing on developer support is just not a good plan, regardless of how appealing that feature may be to you individually.
 
Wifi is overrated for gaming. I'd rather use a hard line then risk even minor bouts of network latency with a wifi connection. Wifi is wonderful otherwise; I love being able to browse with a laptop anywhere in the house. But all my gaming is done on a hard line.
 
[quote name='Ledhed']Wifi is overrated for gaming. I'd rather use a hard line then risk even minor bouts of network latency with a wifi connection. Wifi is wonderful otherwise; I love being able to browse with a laptop anywhere in the house. But all my gaming is done on a hard line.[/QUOTE]

agreed...when you are really into a game online, the last thing you want is lag...

and if wi-fi is optional then the cost will be lower and i'm all for that..
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Wow, I'm so impressed by a single screen shot of a non-interactive environment, not to mention I still don't think it looks a whole gen better. As for Gears of War, that's even less impressive, it looks to be on the same level as Doom 3, definitely not a whole gen better, not even close.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious Gears of War looks amazing.
 
Yeah, I'm hyped up...the wireless adaptor is just a small thing, so hopefully it would not cost a lot for people who need it. I already have a wire to my XBOX, so I'm set.

Also, I know all games are in 720p, which is great, but I have an older HDTV that only does 1080i (along with 480p)...so I guess I'm screwed again. Oh well....I will have to upgrade eventually, but no time soon, since HDTV's aren't THAT cheap yet....especially whn you already have one
 
[quote name='doubledown']Yeah, I'm hyped up...the wireless adaptor is just a small thing, so hopefully it would not cost a lot for people who need it. I already have a wire to my XBOX, so I'm set.

Also, I know all games are in 720p, which is great, but I have an older HDTV that only does 1080i (along with 480p)...so I guess I'm screwed again. Oh well....I will have to upgrade eventually, but no time soon, since HDTV's aren't THAT cheap yet....especially whn you already have one[/QUOTE]

I've read some interviews doubledown where some Microsoft people have talked about your situation. They have commented that the 360 will be able to upconvert to 1080i. Similar to the way my HDTV Tivo lets me select 1080i as the out put even if the signal is 720p. I'm sure you have dealt with this situation before though. Most set are 1080i and Microsoft won't forget this I'm sure.

Now on the topic from chris. I repeat the fact that I liiked what the Xbox did and what they are trying to do with the 360, but I am a multi-platform guy. I have a PS2 and gamecude and before that I had nes,gen,gb,gba,ss,n64,ps1,dc,ps2,gamecube,xbox,ds,psp. So I think you revealed yourself as most likely a Sony fandboy by what you said about Geaws of War ANybody who watched that G4tv footage and are trying to say that it wasn't impressive are either blined or a Sony fanboy lol. If you then take that game and put it in HDTV you will then see a real jump in graphics. They have been truly amazing looking games on Xbox and thats a good thing. Nobody is saying it looks like a new ps2 game, and I think that speaks volumes about what the Xbox has done. There will be a jump in graphics with a SDTV but it will take a HDTV to really see what the next generation systems can do.
 
They were going to have it built in originally but decided early on that it would raise the cost of the 360 more than it was worth. If it makes you feel any better, you don't have to buy an "official" wifi adapter, you can use a standard USB wifi adapter, which run about $10-$15.
 
[quote name='mbstuff']Nicely put epobirs. I guess the education system served you well.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I'm a high school dropout with a GED. But in all fairness the main problems were not with the schools I attended but in myself. If I had been born a decade later some of my problems would have been better understood but hey, if I just picked the right lottery numbers I'd be wealthy. If, if, if.
 
I'll take HD & Harddrive over Wi-fi any day.. is it that big of deal?... I mean microsoft gotta cut some corners to make this system $299 w/ every it has to offer...

there will be an adapter for it... SO atleast they offer it... unlike Nintendo not even considering HD...
 
If you're currently gaming online with consoles in a Wi-Fi arrangement this argument is pointless. You either have a bridge set up, which MS has been selling for years officially, or you're gaming straight into your router. If you're not using the MS bridge any other router/switch maker has Wi-Fi bridges as well.

Revolution to me sucks. I don't have Wi-Fi precisely because of latency and lag issues for gaming. Last thing I want to do is re-do my gaming setup to play Nintendo's 3 online titles next generation.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']They were going to have it built in originally but decided early on that it would raise the cost of the 360 more than it was worth. If it makes you feel any better, you don't have to buy an "official" wifi adapter, you can use a standard USB wifi adapter, which run about $10-$15.[/QUOTE]

remember that kid who posted pictures of himself with his dad's xbox360 that he was testing for some kind of certification? linky here http://www.360hacker.net/articles/07-18-2005/first-xbox-360-seen-in-the-wild/

well according to one of the comments the kid says his dad told him you need the official xbox360 wifi adapter.

"BTW, the little box in front of the tv is supposedly the xbox 360 wireless adaptor. He said that the Xbox 360 only works with this wifi dongle. He wasn’t very clear or very sure of himself, but apparently his step dad told him it only has drivers for that dongle and wont work with anything else."

While i'm pretty sure you can still use one of those ethernet->wifi adapters, the official xbox one can only be setup from the xbox menu unless theres a hack i'm unaware of. I could totally see them not supporting it in the xbox360 to make you buy the new stuff. Although I supose you can always use your old xbox to change the settings until it dies or keep the same settings on your wifi network forever.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']remember that kid who posted pictures of himself with his dad's xbox360 that he was testing for some kind of certification? linky here http://www.360hacker.net/articles/07-18-2005/first-xbox-360-seen-in-the-wild/

well according to one of the comments the kid says his dad told him you need the official xbox360 wifi adapter.

"BTW, the little box in front of the tv is supposedly the xbox 360 wireless adaptor. He said that the Xbox 360 only works with this wifi dongle. He wasn’t very clear or very sure of himself, but apparently his step dad told him it only has drivers for that dongle and wont work with anything else."

While i'm pretty sure you can still use one of those ethernet->wifi adapters, the official xbox one can only be setup from the xbox menu unless theres a hack i'm unaware of. I could totally see them not supporting it in the xbox360 to make you buy the new stuff. Although I supose you can always use your old xbox to change the settings until it dies or keep the same settings on your wifi network forever.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty easy to support a wide array of these things, as TiVo has demonstrate. The trick is that there is only a small number of distinct chipsets being used and nearly all of the retail products closely follow the reference design created by the chipset makers. This includes firmware, so a single driver can function with 50 different brands of USB WiFi dongle so long as it doesn't deviate too far from the reference spec.

Microsoft is almost certainly using an Atheros chipset since they are pretty the one company who really pushes 802.11a and offers multimode chipsets. Going beyond that to handling about 80% of all the USB WiFi dongles in existence would only require a megabyte or so of space on the hard drive. Since they plan to offer a free limited version of Xbox Live to insure certain features are universal, they can forego even that by requiring a unit to be hooked up by cable long enough for the dongle's chipset to be ID'ed and the appropriate generic driver downloaded.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']remember that kid who posted pictures of himself with his dad's xbox360 that he was testing for some kind of certification? linky here http://www.360hacker.net/articles/07-18-2005/first-xbox-360-seen-in-the-wild/

well according to one of the comments the kid says his dad told him you need the official xbox360 wifi adapter.

"BTW, the little box in front of the tv is supposedly the xbox 360 wireless adaptor. He said that the Xbox 360 only works with this wifi dongle. He wasn’t very clear or very sure of himself, but apparently his step dad told him it only has drivers for that dongle and wont work with anything else."

While i'm pretty sure you can still use one of those ethernet->wifi adapters, the official xbox one can only be setup from the xbox menu unless theres a hack i'm unaware of. I could totally see them not supporting it in the xbox360 to make you buy the new stuff. Although I supose you can always use your old xbox to change the settings until it dies or keep the same settings on your wifi network forever.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because a 12 year old kid whos the son of the guy supposedly testing a power supply is the authority on all things Xbox 360.

At one time, MS was saying in their presentations that standard USB devices could be used, such as wifi adapters, since it has standard usb ports. If that has changed, then its changed. I still really don't care that wifi isn't included out of the box.
 
I don't know if this has been said, but I rather have a Harddrive in my console than WiFi out of the box. Which would you rather have?
 
[quote name='Milkyman']sure its not hard, but how likely do you think it will be that they go out of their way to support different devices rather than trying to lock you in to their stuff?
especially considering that they are going to be charging licensing fees on peripherals?
http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10728[/QUOTE]

The products in question are not generic off the shelf items people already own. How many people had Xbox controllers just lying around the house when they decided to get an Xbox? People are pretty unlikely to have a proprietary device, like a controller for a particular console, unless they have or intend to buy the console.

The same is not true for things like USB WiFi adapters. Tens of millions of these things are in circulation already. While very few people will notice that third party Xbox 360 controllers are only found from well known brands, a LOT of people will notice when a generic device that is widely supported cannot be used. The potential bad PR is such that I expect Microsoft won't put the same restrictions on WiFi adapters as they're seeking on controllers.

Keep in mind, the third party controller market is where the money. In most cases a WiFi adapter should last for the life of the machine. A controller is greatly subject to mechanical wear and tear, plus thre is use for multiple controllers on a single console. Not just for multiplayer but also specialty version for certain games such as light guns and dance pad. The potential is so much greater on the controller side it is in their favor to let people use their existing WiFi hardware whenever reasonable.
 
[quote name='epobirs']This is really much ado about nothing, Chris. Want WiFi? Then buy it. It is no different than the DVD Kit for the Xbox. It adds cost and is not of interest to a large portion of the market. Bringing in the base product at the lowest possible retail with the feature set most critical to developer support is the correct formula for this product.

The machine is network ready out of the box. Wireless is just an extension of that and will be transparent to developers. The games will use whatever connection is offered by firmware settings. The only issue with wireless is that a game might perform a test for latency to insure proper behavior in online multiplayer. There is no developer that is going to leave out online play options because the base system only supports wired networks and wireless is optional. It simply doesn't affect them.

For many of us the optional adapter would not be needed. Not because we wouldn't go online or can conveniently run a cable to the 360 but because we already have the needed hardware to use the console with our existing wireless networks. A substantial number of people bought wireless bridges for their current Xbox for this purpose. The frequent blowouts on Microsoft's unit at Target were mentioned often in deal threads on this site and competing brands like Linksys made a point of adding stickers to their wireless bridges packaging to promote their compatibility with the Xbox as well as PCs. For myself, I already have a Linksys wireless bridge to let my RePlayTV DVR access the internet for guide updates, remote programming via the web, and file transfers. I need only add a $10 switch and that bridge can support more internet capable device than I'm ever likely to have in my entertainment center.


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I'll repeat this in a shorter version.

How do you have your Xbox networked right now?

Step 1 ) Remove Xbox and cables
Step 2) Hook up new xbox and plug networking into it

And you need wi-fi built in why?

For Microsoft, if you are interested in Live you probably already have an Xbox on it through some sort of networking. Why bother to spend money on something many people already have?

For Nintendo it makes sense. They want simple and the Gamecube has nil online presence.

For Sony, they are putting every single gadget in existence into it. Gigabit ethernet? double DVI output? Of course they will throw Wi-Fi into it. They've gotten out of hand. Next thing they'll announce is eyetoy with videophone service is bundled, HDTV tuner and TIVO software, and ROB the Robot accessories bundled in. Some companies learned their lesson...

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PS I have an Xbox + 6 games but I don't actually like it that much. So this is definitely not an xbox fanboy talking.
 
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