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Yeah, let's compare the two plans here-PS + you lose them if you stop paying sure but you get fairly current titles, a lot of times brand new releases when you are talking about smaller stuff. Now, granted free is free, but these are 2 of the biggest selling games of this generation and are practically ancient by comparison. Everybody has bought them already. And who the hell plays Halo 3 anymore because the main point of Halo is multi-player. I'm surprised the servers are still up.

 
This reminds me of people complaining about the original Xbox being broadband only, charging an annual fee for Xbox Live, including a headset with every Xbox 360, etc.

People disgust me sometimes. :\


Sadly the XB1 isn't coming with a headset, but the irony of PS4 charging for online and very little complaining makes me laugh. A lot.

As I've said a million times, very little disvantages for the XB1 now
- Dat $100 price difference
- The Kinect is still spying on you... so get your lazy ass to unplug the system
- It's not as powerful as PS4. Oh Noez! The X360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3 either because of "The Cell!"

Also as far as pre-orders go..

Wait...

WAIT FOR IT!

Wait a few weeks.

That $100 price difference is going to make a huge difference to anyone who has no loyalty to a particular console and they play at least 95% of the same games.
Let those people get the PS4, and those who prefer the "Xbox experience" can go with the Xbox One. Think iPhone and Android.

(Not that I have anything against the PS4. I've got both consoles preordered, and I've also had the Wii U since launch.)

Also, the Xbox 360 has a free game promo now. Don't you lose access to the free PS+ games if you stop subscribing?
The X1 comes with a headset like the one that the 360 came with...the PS4 comes with a 2002 cellphone earpiece.

X1 headset
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PS4 earpiece
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WV Matsui said:
lmz00 said:
Erad30 said:
Monsta Mack said:
lmz00 said:
This reminds me of people complaining about the original Xbox being broadband only, charging an annual fee for Xbox Live, including a headset with every Xbox 360, etc.

People disgust me sometimes. :\
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Sadly the XB1 isn't coming with a headset, but the irony of PS4 charging for online and very little complaining makes me laugh. A lot.

As I've said a million times, very little disvantages for the XB1 now
- Dat $100 price difference
- The Kinect is still spying on you... so get your lazy ass to unplug the system
- It's not as powerful as PS4. Oh Noez! The X360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3 either because of "The Cell!"

Also as far as pre-orders go..

Wait...

WAIT FOR IT!

Wait a few weeks.
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That $100 price difference is going to make a huge difference to anyone who has no loyalty to a particular console and they play at least 95% of the same games.
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Let those people get the PS4, and those who prefer the "Xbox experience" can go with the Xbox One. Think iPhone and Android.

(Not that I have anything against the PS4. I've got both consoles preordered, and I've also had the Wii U since launch.)

Also, the Xbox 360 has a free game promo now. Don't you lose access to the free PS+ games if you stop subscribing?
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The X1 comes with a headset like the one that the 360 came with...the PS4 comes with a 2002 cellphone earpiece.
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XBone doesn't come with a headset. And I used to use one of those like the one that comes with the PS4 for my computer. It's not the best, but it's not too bad, so long as the voice quality is decent.

 
WV Matsui said:
Gaikai :)

Which all the PS folks already think its going to be free. If it ever launches, I would bet big time that its extra on top of PS+. But MS/X1 fans aren't allowed to buy into a vision. That's only reserved for PS4 folks.
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Who thinks it's going to be free? I've not heard that. I've heard people think you'll put in a PS3 game in the PS4 drive, it'll use this to confirm you own it then stream it as maybe part of plus, but unowned games will likely be a service. But nobody is going around saying "i'm buying a PS4 because of Gaikai." However I can't believe how many people are heartbroken over this family plan that nobody knew anything about. If Microsoft hadn't backed out of DRM, and the family plan was nothing more than a glorified free trial, I can't imagine how pissed off the people with high hopes for this would have been.

 
[quote name="aptanor" post="10847168" timestamp="1371764396"][quote name="WV Matsui" post="10847145" timestamp="1371763945"][quote name="lmz00" post="10847137" timestamp="1371763727"][quote name="Erad30" post="10847114" timestamp="1371762980"][quote name="Monsta Mack" post="10847055" timestamp="1371761456"][quote name="lmz00" post="10847007" timestamp="1371760048"]This reminds me of people complaining about the original Xbox being broadband only, charging an annual fee for Xbox Live, including a headset with every Xbox 360, etc.

People disgust me sometimes. :\[/quote]
Sadly the XB1 isn't coming with a headset, but the irony of PS4 charging for online and very little complaining makes me laugh. A lot.

As I've said a million times, very little disvantages for the XB1 now
- Dat $100 price difference
- The Kinect is still spying on you... so get your lazy ass to unplug the system
- It's not as powerful as PS4. Oh Noez! The X360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3 either because of "The Cell!"

Also as far as pre-orders go..

Wait...

WAIT FOR IT!

Wait a few weeks.[/quote]
That $100 price difference is going to make a huge difference to anyone who has no loyalty to a particular console and they play at least 95% of the same games.[/quote]Let those people get the PS4, and those who prefer the "Xbox experience" can go with the Xbox One. Think iPhone and Android.

(Not that I have anything against the PS4. I've got both consoles preordered, and I've also had the Wii U since launch.)

Also, the Xbox 360 has a free game promo now. Don't you lose access to the free PS+ games if you stop subscribing?[/quote]
The X1 comes with a headset like the one that the 360 came with...the PS4 comes with a 2002 cellphone earpiece.
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XBone doesn't come with a headset. And I used to use one of those like the one that comes with the PS4 for my computer. It's not the best, but it's not too bad, so long as the voice quality is decent.[/quote]

I must be mistaken because I was positive they said it comes with one. Where did it say no?

And to be that Sony thing is worthless. Looks like something I used on my Palm Treo in the early 2000s!
Gaikai :)
Which all the PS folks already think its going to be free. If it ever launches, I would bet big time that its extra on top of PS+. But MS/X1 fans aren't allowed to buy into a vision. That's only reserved for PS4 folks.


Who thinks it's going to be free? I've not heard that. I've heard people think you'll put in a PS3 game in the PS4 drive, it'll use this to confirm you own it then stream it as maybe part of plus, but unowned games will likely be a service. But nobody is going around saying "i'm buying a PS4 because of Gaikai." However I can't believe how many people are heartbroken over this family plan that nobody knew anything about. If Microsoft hadn't backed out of DRM, and the family plan was nothing more than a glorified free trial, I can't imagine how pissed off the people with high hopes for this would have been.

We know as much about Gaikai as we know about the Family Plan. All speculation. Sony hasn't even confirmed the put the disc in scenario yet.
 
I'm pretty sure the issue here isn't whether or not Sony's comes with a headset, you seem to think the Xbox One's headset is better and comes with the headset. Whether it's actually better is at least potentially debatable (though it probably is). Still doesn't come with the system.

 
I don't really think it's important that it doesn't come with the headset. The Kinect *should* act in a similar matter at least, so I think MS should be okay.

 
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Don't forget that new proprietary plug on the controller that means you can't even use your existing headset.

But I guess you can count the $100 Kinect as a mic.

 
Who cares what it looks like so long as it works Matsui? Like I said, I've used something similar for PC gaming and it worked just fine. Nobody is going to make you use it.

 
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^A comment on polygon that I found interesting which I agreed with. Why can't MS do it on a game by game basis? Allow us the consumers to choose which games we would like to share and lock in to our accounts or not share/lock for trade-in instead. Company is run by monkeys...

 
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I don't really think it's important that it doesn't come with the headset. The Kinect *should* act in a similar matter at least, so I think MS should be okay.



True. And it looks like there is nothing really official on whether it does or not yet. Just what retailers are listing but that could change. No big deal really.

Sorry I was mistaken. I did read somewhere that it will be a micro USB connection so any headset with that connection should work just like the 360 worked with a similar connection.

Also read that they put out an adapter so folks can use their old ones. Dunno if that will pan out or not.

Here's the Polk headset and Soundbar.

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RiPPn said:
Ashane said:
What's funny is people are finally starting to come out and say that Sony was actually on board with the entire idea.... until they saw the backlash MS got.

I wonder what would have happened if the conference dates had been reversed.

So let's not white knight Sony please. They saw a clear opportunity to stick it to Microsoft and attempt to gain more market share, and they took it. It had absolutely nothing to do with you, the consumers.
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So we are supposed to hold Sony accountable for something they didn't do, and we are supposed to forgive Microsoft for something they did do? Is that how this works?
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I had a pretty long post drawn out but then I figured it was pointless, so I'll just state one relevant fact.

PSP-Go.

Not only did they say they were doing it, they went out and actually released it. So yeah, let's hold them both accountable. One said they were going to do it, and pulled it back when the public outcry went crazy. The other went ahead and did it, and the thing bombed with virtually no public outcry. Hell, the damn thing got positive reviews from gaming sites, the same gaming sites damning the X1.

If that dosent raise any eyebrows, not sure what does.

 
Don't forget that new proprietary plug on the controller that means you can't even use your existing headset.

But I guess you can count the $100 Kinect as a mic.



It's not proprietary it's micro USB and see Apple if you want to talk proprietary connectors :)
 
Ashane said:
I had a pretty long post drawn out but then I figured it was pointless, so I'll just state one relevant fact.

PSP-Go.

Not only did they say they were doing it, they went out and actually released it. So yeah, let's hold them both accountable. One said they were going to do it, and pulled it back when the public outcry went crazy. The other went ahead and did it, and the thing bombed with virtually no public outcry. Hell, the damn thing got positive reviews from gaming sites, the same gaming sites damning the X1.

If that dosent raise any eyebrows, not sure what does.
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Sony gave us a choice though, they were selling the regular PSP along with the PSPGo.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/307549-xbox-one-on-the-way-drm-removed-more-details-to-come/page-180#entry10847213

^Microsoft could had done the same for the xbox one.

 
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Ashane said:
RiPPn said:
Ashane said:
What's funny is people are finally starting to come out and say that Sony was actually on board with the entire idea.... until they saw the backlash MS got.

I wonder what would have happened if the conference dates had been reversed.

So let's not white knight Sony please. They saw a clear opportunity to stick it to Microsoft and attempt to gain more market share, and they took it. It had absolutely nothing to do with you, the consumers.
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So we are supposed to hold Sony accountable for something they didn't do, and we are supposed to forgive Microsoft for something they did do? Is that how this works?
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I had a pretty long post drawn out but then I figured it was pointless, so I'll just state one relevant fact.

PSP-Go.

Not only did they say they were doing it, they went out and actually released it. So yeah, let's hold them both accountable. One said they were going to do it, and pulled it back when the public outcry went crazy. The other went ahead and did it, and the thing bombed with virtually no public outcry. Hell, the damn thing got positive reviews from gaming sites, the same gaming sites damning the X1.

If that dosent raise any eyebrows, not sure what does.
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Except the PSP-Go was just an extension of the PSP, not a whole new "generation" of handhelds. It was just another iteration like the DS Lite was to the original DS. Unfortunately for PS, it was was a complete and utter failure.

 
htz said:
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^A comment on polygon that I found interesting which I agreed with. Why can't MS do it on a game by game basis? Allow us the consumers to choose which games we would like to share and lock in to our accounts or not share/lock for trade-in instead. Company is run by monkeys...
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Wouldn't that require all games to come with a product key of some sort (like DVD/Blu-ray digital copies)? What's to stop someone from buying a disc and adding the game to their account, then selling the disc to someone who games offline (and presumably wouldn't have to check in)?

 
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Erad30 said:
Yeah, let's compare the two plans here-PS + you lose them if you stop paying sure but you get fairly current titles, a lot of times brand new releases when you are talking about smaller stuff. Now, granted free is free, but these are 2 of the biggest selling games of this generation and are practically ancient by comparison. Everybody has bought them already. And who the hell plays Halo 3 anymore because the main point of Halo is multi-player. I'm surprised the servers are still up.
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No one's denying that ps+ with the ps3 gave you good games. They HAD to, that was the whole point of ps+. They had free online play, and if they didn't give you recent games, everyone would've just stopped buying ps+ and it would've died. Now for ps4, ps+ is required for multiplayer. If they decide next year that they never want to give you a free game again, it doesn't matter. Mostly everyone that plays online, is gonna keep paying for ps+.

Give Sony credit. I bet they knew a long time ago they wanted to charge for online but that was a big selling point for ps3. They used ps+ to get people thinking that paying for the service was a good thing, and now people are happy to accept it with the ps4.

 
lmz00 said:
htz said:
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^A comment on polygon that I found interesting which I agreed with. Why can't MS do it on a game by game basis? Allow us the consumers to choose which games we would like to share and lock in to our accounts or not share/lock for trade-in instead. Company is run by monkeys...
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Wouldn't that require all games to come with a product key of some sort? What's to stop someone from buying a disc and adding the game to their account, then selling the disc to someone who games offline (and presumably wouldn't have to check in)?
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You would still be able to play it with the disc in the tray. You just won't be able to use the family share feature anymore, cause someone registered the disc to their account/library already. You know like PS3 games that come with a free digital download of a Vita game. The disc benefit can only be used once.

Buy New: Family Share benefit, no disc required to play, 24 hour check-in required.

Buy Used: No family share benefit, game offline, disc required.

 
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I seriously doubt that it would stop, most of the games they release made their sales months earlier, it's an easy bone to throw to gamers. Even if that was removed, I don't have to pay for it at all if all I want to do is streaming media services, which is not the case on Gold at all.

 
kcobra22 said:
No one's denying that ps+ with the ps3 gave you good games. They HAD to, that was the whole point of ps+. They had free online play, and if they didn't give you recent games, everyone would've just stopped buying ps+ and it would've died. Now for ps4, ps+ is required for multiplayer. If they decide next year that they never want to give you a free game again, it doesn't matter. Mostly everyone that plays online, is gonna keep paying for ps+.

Give Sony credit. I bet they knew a long time ago they wanted to charge for online but that was a big selling point for ps3. They used ps+ to get people thinking that paying for the service was a good thing, and now people are happy to accept it with the ps4.
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I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep the instant game collection and monthly freebies. Especially after the system's been out a year or two and they have a bunch of games that aren't really selling any more.

Great way to get fence sitters to bite and buy a console at the first price drop knowing there's some good, free games they can download and play right away with PS+.

Same thing on the Xbox with them giving free games now. Both will do it as it costs them little when they're doing it with games that aren't selling much any more, and it can entice people to buy the console and start buying new games. They'd be dumb to go away from it.

Both will probably not be great the first year or so though since they aren't going to put full, big new games for free etc.

 
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I woudnt expect major games on PS+ however.

So far, they've said it's one game per month, the first of which is a limited version of Drive Club. They've also said Don't Starve, Outlast, The Secret Poncho's will be coming... so there's 4 months of crap to be honest. (I listed DC as crap because I'd assume the vast majority of people will be buying it if they are into racing games, just like Forza for X1)
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It's more than Microsoft has given us in 8 years of paying for Gold. And I think it's okay at the start, can't expect them to give brand new full retail games out of the gate. And if you have a Vita and a PS3 plenty of retail games should hold you over until there is a big enough library on the PS4 to start giving full retail games. But yeah to be cynical now that Sony has roped in a multiplayer paywall will the Plus service diminish in value? That the first question I asked when I heard about the multiplayer paywall and I hope it won't.

 
dmaul1114 said:
Both will probably not be great the first year or so though since they aren't going to put full, big new games for free etc.
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Yeah I don't expect free retail release games much during the first year of PS+ for PS4. Sony did delay the launch of PS+ on Vita, probably because they wanted to build a good enough library. If PS+ wasn't required for online multiplayer, they probably would had delayed PS+ on PS4 also.

 
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I think at first it's going to have to mostly be indie titles, because it takes awhile to build up a library. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer say Killzone free in within a year though, it would have sold whatever it's going to sell by then. I wish I could remember who, but it's been said most games do a large majority of their sales in the first 8 weeks, after that it pretty much doesn't matter.

 
Erad30 said:
I think at first it's going to have to mostly be indie titles, because it takes awhile to build up a library. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer say Killzone free in within a year though, it would have sold whatever it's going to sell by then. I wish I could remember who, but it's been said most games do a large majority of their sales in the first 8 weeks, after that it pretty much doesn't matter.
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Sony did confirm 1 free indie title a month, but only for the first three months after ps4 comes out. I also think its hard to compare giving away games towards the end of a generation, to giving away games on a brand new console. You mentioned killzone within a year....how many people will still be waiting for a price drop before they even get the ps4.

 
kcobra22 said:
Erad30 said:
I think at first it's going to have to mostly be indie titles, because it takes awhile to build up a library. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer say Killzone free in within a year though, it would have sold whatever it's going to sell by then. I wish I could remember who, but it's been said most games do a large majority of their sales in the first 8 weeks, after that it pretty much doesn't matter.
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Sony did confirm 1 free indie title a month, but only for the first three months after ps4 comes out. I also think its hard to compare giving away games towards the end of a generation, to giving away games on a brand new console. You mentioned killzone within a year....how many people will still be waiting for a price drop before they even get the ps4.
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Uh no they confirmed one digital title EVERY MONTH. You can check that right here: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/415602/video-details-playstation-plus-features-on-ps4/ there is nothing about only the first 3 months. Microsoft is the one who stops their free game program in a few months and that's after only having it for a few months in the first place.

 
4thHorseman said:
Monsta Mack said:
lmz00 said:
This reminds me of people complaining about the original Xbox being broadband only, charging an annual fee for Xbox Live, including a headset with every Xbox 360, etc.

People disgust me sometimes. :\
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Sadly the XB1 isn't coming with a headset, but the irony of PS4 charging for online and very little complaining makes me laugh. A lot.

As I've said a million times, very little disvantages for the XB1 now

- Dat $100 price difference

- The Kinect is still spying on you... so get your lazy ass to unplug the system

- It's not as powerful as PS4. Oh Noez! The X360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3 either because of "The Cell!"

Also as far as pre-orders go..

Wait...

WAIT FOR IT!

Wait a few weeks.
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-Better indie support

-$10 cheaper with PS+ (which is better value also than Live) per year

-Gaikai

-Able to switch out HD's

-More first party games (and also more that I care about)

-More free 2 play games at launch

-Don't need PS+ to access stuff like Netflix

-Controller that many reviewers seem to be leaning towards

I guess Microsoft has some cool media features with Kinect (which according to reviewers isn't as good as their demo made it out to be), and the magical cloud (which isn't as magical as Microsoft makes it out to be).
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Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for someone to post LEGIT PS4 pluses rather then go the whole MS bashing route (though to be fair, the exclusive portion I feel the exact opposite, maybe I'm more of a dudebro shooter. Also I'd take the xbox controller anyday over a PS controller) and only going the $100 and Kinect route.

I think thanks to CAG we will always see cheap Live. How often have we seen $30 for a year of PS+? I know just recently I got a year of Gold for $20.

MS is going to have to support Indie developers as well. Sorry, Minecraft doesn't count anymore.

Don't care about Gaikai since I still have the 360 hooked up.

The non-removable hard drive is a issue for sure.

 
We know as much about Gaikai as we know about the Family Plan. All speculation. Sony hasn't even confirmed the put the disc in scenario yet.
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Well to be non bias, Gaikai has been around for a while and proven that its plausible and a stable company. Only recently did Sony acquire it.
 
WV Matsui said:
brandtron8000 said:
Don't forget that new proprietary plug on the controller that means you can't even use your existing headset.

But I guess you can count the $100 Kinect as a mic.
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It's not proprietary it's micro USB and see Apple if you want to talk proprietary connectors :)
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So you can still use your existing headset? If each accessory can only be licensed by MS then whats the difference?

 
Ashane said:
I had a pretty long post drawn out but then I figured it was pointless, so I'll just state one relevant fact.

PSP-Go.

Not only did they say they were doing it, they went out and actually released it. So yeah, let's hold them both accountable. One said they were going to do it, and pulled it back when the public outcry went crazy. The other went ahead and did it, and the thing bombed with virtually no public outcry. Hell, the damn thing got positive reviews from gaming sites, the same gaming sites damning the X1.

If that dosent raise any eyebrows, not sure what does.
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PSP-Go is a poor example for a number of reasons. It wasn't a new platform, there were no restrictions on the other available models, physical media wasn't going anywhere, they didn't release PSP-Go only available games. Had Microsoft had 2 versions of the Xbox One, one for offline use and one for online with all the DRM there wouldn't have been an issue.

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Except the PSP-Go was just an extension of the PSP, not a whole new "generation" of handhelds. It was just another iteration like the DS Lite was to the original DS. Unfortunately for PS, it was was a complete and utter failure.
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I think thanks to CAG we will always see cheap Live. How often have we seen $30 for a year of PS+? I know just recently I got a year of Gold for $20.
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Thanks to CAG I bought many years of PS+ at 14.38 each.

You're also comparing sales for a paid service required for MP and an optional "rental" style service. Go ahead and compare the prices and sales when they both are mandatory for MP.

 
Jesse757x said:
I wasn't planning on buying an xb1 but I'm sort of disappointed that Microsoft changed their policy. I was excited to see how the new features would operate. I don't agree with the mandatory kinect though. I think Microsoft did a poor job at educating consumers about the beneficial features in an understandable way. It seems like both of these next gen consoles are just ps3 and xbox 360 1.5
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Hehe, the 360 was called the xbox 1.5 up until the ps3 and wii came out.

 
Xbox One's Chief Product Officer Marc Whitten interview confirmed it does not come with the headset. It also sounds like they are going to put the HDMI in behind a paywall.

Go to 12:11 for the headset talk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M7oHSoL9sU



Yeah that pay wall is called XBL Gold...

Not really worried about the headset.

And way to compare retail sales for XBL to a clear exploit if a Target ad misprint to back up a point. You continue to ad useful arguments :lol:

Live has way more value than PS+ and I am a 2 years subscriber of +. There have been a few decent games on there pre-E3 but the better service was the UK service.

Oh well. Just my opinion. But don't compare pricing based on an ad exploit.

Love how you used pay wall to try and start another battle saying you will have to pay even more in addition to XBL when that's not the case!
 
WV Matsui said:
Yeah that pay wall is called XBL Gold...

Not really worried about the headset.

And way to compare retail sales for XBL to a clear exploit if a Target ad misprint to back up a point. You continue to ad useful arguments :lol:

Live has way more value than PS+ and I am a 2 years subscriber of +. There have been a few decent games on there pre-E3 but the better service was the UK service.

Oh well. Just my opinion. But don't compare pricing based on an ad exploit.
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You are really letting your bias get to you. I don't believe he was comparing price per se, he was just mentioning a price he paid for plus because of this wonderful website we are posting on. And now you're going to fault getting a deal because it was on a Sony product. Your comments are becoming silly at this point. And duh on Gold being the paywall, when we talk Xbox and paywalls thats obviously implied.

 
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Monsta Mack said:
4thHorseman said:
Monsta Mack said:
lmz00 said:
This reminds me of people complaining about the original Xbox being broadband only, charging an annual fee for Xbox Live, including a headset with every Xbox 360, etc.

People disgust me sometimes. :\
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Sadly the XB1 isn't coming with a headset, but the irony of PS4 charging for online and very little complaining makes me laugh. A lot.

As I've said a million times, very little disvantages for the XB1 now
- Dat $100 price difference
- The Kinect is still spying on you... so get your lazy ass to unplug the system
- It's not as powerful as PS4. Oh Noez! The X360 wasn't as powerful as the PS3 either because of "The Cell!"

Also as far as pre-orders go..

Wait...

WAIT FOR IT!

Wait a few weeks.
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-Better indie support
-$10 cheaper with PS+ (which is better value also than Live) per year
-Gaikai
-Able to switch out HD's
-More first party games (and also more that I care about)
-More free 2 play games at launch
-Don't need PS+ to access stuff like Netflix
-Controller that many reviewers seem to be leaning towards

I guess Microsoft has some cool media features with Kinect (which according to reviewers isn't as good as their demo made it out to be), and the magical cloud (which isn't as magical as Microsoft makes it out to be).
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Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for someone to post LEGIT PS4 pluses rather then go the whole MS bashing route (though to be fair, the exclusive portion I feel the exact opposite, maybe I'm more of a dudebro shooter. Also I'd take the xbox controller anyday over a PS controller) and only going the $100 and Kinect route.

I think thanks to CAG we will always see cheap Live. How often have we seen $30 for a year of PS+? I know just recently I got a year of Gold for $20.

MS is going to have to support Indie developers as well. Sorry, Minecraft doesn't count anymore.

Don't care about Gaikai since I still have the 360 hooked up.

The non-removable hard drive is a issue for sure.
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It really does boil down to what positives outweigh the negatives. Im pretty stoked for the possibility of Gaikai and feel like Im the only one really excited for it. The key word is POSSIBILITY though, and Sony proved this gen that their online capability was lacking. I hope its improved not only for the PS4s sake, but for Gaikai also. But they have to convince gamers that this is an improved service from this gen.

The games and controller are purely subjective, and its frustrating to see opinions stated as fact. But one fact does exist, and thats Sony has more studios, so they will have more first party exclusives.

Hard drive is important to me, but depending on how much I download, 500 gbs should be okay for a while. So not a big concern at the moment.
 
Oh wow at the Family Plan revelation.

Your "family" could only download and play the game for 60mins before prompting them to purchase the game themselves.

Basically a 1 hour trial.

Details were anonymously posted in a pastebin but known insider CBOAT confirmed the rumor.

 
Yeah that pay wall is called XBL Gold...
Not really worried about the headset.

And way to compare retail sales for XBL to a clear exploit if a Target ad misprint to back up a point. You continue to ad useful arguments :lol:

Live has way more value than PS+ and I am a 2 years subscriber of +. There have been a few decent games on there pre-E3 but the better service was the UK service.

Oh well. Just my opinion. But don't compare pricing based on an ad exploit.


You are really letting your bias get to you. I don't believe he was comparing price per se, he was just mentioning a price he paid for plus because of this wonderful website we are posting on. And now you're going to fault getting a deal because it was on a Sony product. You're comments are becoming silly at this point. And duh on Gold being the paywall, when we talk Xbox and paywalls thats obviously implied.

And guess what... PS+ is now a pay wall! Congrats!

It's an exploit not a deal. Sony had no part in that. Thank a graphic designer at an ad company that used the wrong stock image. Which by the way was only honored for a short period of time ie 6-8 hours.
 
WV Matsui said:
RiPPn said:
Xbox One's Chief Product Officer Marc Whitten interview confirmed it does not come with the headset. It also sounds like they are going to put the HDMI in behind a paywall.

Go to 12:11 for the headset talk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M7oHSoL9sU
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Live has way more value than PS+ and I am a 2 years subscriber of +. There have been a few decent games on there pre-E3 but the better service was the UK service.

Oh well. Just my opinion.
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Why is it your opinion that Live has more value than Plus? That doesn't even really compute to me.

 
WV Matsui said:
And guess what... PS+ is now a pay wall! Congrats!

It's an exploit not a deal. Sony had no part in that. Thank a graphic designer at an ad company that used the wrong stock image. Which by the way was only honored for a short period of time ie 6-8 hours.
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Still failing to see your point other than Microsoft bias.

 
WV Matsui said:
And way to compare retail sales for XBL to a clear exploit if a Target ad misprint to back up a point. You continue to ad useful arguments :lol:

Live has way more value than PS+ and I am a 2 years subscriber of +. There have been a few decent games on there pre-E3 but the better service was the UK service.

Oh well. Just my opinion. But don't compare pricing based on an ad exploit.
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Good to know you're not worried since you never answered my question, which was my main point. You can't use your existing headset. Nice dodge.

Ok, so let's compare retail prices for online MP this gen. XBLG = $60 (didn't it used to be $50?) and PSN = free. Let's compare retail prices online MP for next gen: XBLG = $60 and PS+ = $50. Advantage PS+.

Also, curious to know the "value" you got from XBL all these years. Cross game chat? What else? Old games they're gonna give out a few months that only work on the 360 anyway?

Every match of COD uses the same P2P connections, thats why the "cloud" is so awesome remember? Dedicated servers so the HOST doesn't take the brunt of processing and relaying the info to other players. There is no quality difference between the two with P2P matchmaking.

 
I agree 4H that Gaikai does sound promising and I own a some good PS3 games that I wouldn't mind being able to play once I buy the PS4 in a few years. But it is true that if you put what the PS3/PS4 offers entertainment wise up against what the X360/X1 offers the differences are quite large. He'll even the interfaces. Xbox's interface is a million times better than the XMB in my opinion. That why I don't mind paying $30-35 a year for live.
 
dallow said:
Oh wow at the Family Plan revelation.

Your "family" could only download and play the game for 60mins before prompting them to purchase the game themselves.

Basically a 1 hour trial.

Details were anonymously posted in a pastebin but known insider CBOAT confirmed the rumor.
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Wow and I was trying to give MS the benefit of the doubt. I figured they actually would have let 2 people play simultaneously (at least the offline/single player type games). This is just pathetic. I just cancelled one of my preorders because of it. Seriously fuck them. I have no faith that they're not going to fuck everyone over 6 months after it launches and add in DRM again or do something else completely stupid.

 
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