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only specs diff that is seen from ps4 and x1 is that ps4 uses ddr5 ram and x1 uses ddr3. ddr5 will be little faster then ddr3 but it's a diff that you will not notice. this gen will come down to who makes the best 1st party games and online service and price of course.
 
[quote name='htz']Your PC is more powerful than the Xbox One but your going to get one anyways. Just saying...[/QUOTE]

im getting both ps4 and xbox one because i like the exlusive games on each company system is their a issue with that? plus i have tons of friends that play on live. i have always had every video game system out all my life since 80's why stop now you get best of all gaming worlds.
 
[quote name='confoosious']No idea what your point is.[/QUOTE]

Premium headsets generally use usb ports and the Xbox One has three of them. There is no reason why they shouldn't work, aside from Microsoft making sure that they don't work. Making them assholes.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']im getting both ps4 and xbox one because i like the exlusive games on each company system is their a issue with that? plus i have tons of friends that play on live. i have always had every video game system out all my life since 80's why stop now you get best of all gaming worlds.[/QUOTE]
I have no issue with that, I was assuming you were not getting a PS4 and only getting an xbox one based on your comments on this thread. :roll:
 
[quote name='htz']
  • Cloud Gaming
  • Social Features
  • No backwards compatibility
  • Not showing the console
Those were the only negatives I found skimming through that thread again. Plus timboslice bragging about his PC being more powerful than PS4.[/QUOTE]

Sure but Sony still has not killed the used game issue yet. With that out of the way you are left with people who hate kinect and the quasi-always online. If Sony does require some type of used game paywall you are going to have to connect to the internet also. I honestly think MS is getting more shit than it deserves and that is mainly because they admitted to more things than Sony has. Until Sony lays all the cards out I am still putting both these system in the same boat.
 
[quote name='KillerRamen']Premium headsets generally use usb ports and the Xbox One has three of them. There is no reason why they shouldn't work, aside from Microsoft making sure that they don't work. Making them assholes.[/QUOTE]

Well it seems it is more a chat issue than actually hearing the games. If you do not chat much then your old headsets would be fine. I am going to now assume some sort of adapter will be made.
 
[quote name='KillerRamen']Premium headsets generally use usb ports and the Xbox One has three of them. There is no reason why they shouldn't work, aside from Microsoft making sure that they don't work. Making them assholes.[/QUOTE]

well for one not all audio headsets uses optical audio out i know my x12's don't. another thing is that the chat port on controller is diff. With that said im sure 3rd party company will make a thing that allows 360 headsets work on chat port on controller
 
i could very well see microsoft not make first party head sets and make people use kinect mic to chat. sounds like microsoft is telling media people that that port on controller is for a yet announced product.
 
[quote name='antlp89']The thing is, they already confirmed that PS3 controllers will not work with the system.

So I highly doubt they would allow other PS3 bluetooth peripherals to work as well.[/QUOTE]
I think that's because they have new features on the DS4 (touchpad, touchpad button, and speaker), which would be utilized less if DS3's were compatible. I'd be surprised if Bluetooth headsets aren't compatible. The type of Bluetooth that they're using on PS4 is backward compatible with what the PS3 used, so it shouldn't be that hard. Move controllers are going to be BC, so it's just a matter of whether they will add support for their devices.

The big benefit that 2.1 seems to offer is easier pairing and it uses less power, which should means much longer battery life with the DS3 at 610 mAh and the DS4 is tentatively set at 1000 mAh. Unless the DS4 is much more power hungry than the DS3, that is.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']only specs diff that is seen from ps4 and x1 is that ps4 uses ddr5 ram and x1 uses ddr3. ddr5 will be little faster then ddr3 but it's a diff that you will not notice. this gen will come down to who makes the best 1st party games and online service and price of course.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your last part about 1st party games but I disagree with you on the only difference between X1 and PS4 being the ram.

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[quote name='cancerman1120']Sure but Sony still has not killed the used game issue yet. With that out of the way you are left with people who hate kinect and the quasi-always online. If Sony does require some type of used game paywall you are going to have to connect to the internet also. I honestly think MS is getting more shit than it deserves and that is mainly because they admitted to more things than Sony has. Until Sony lays all the cards out I am still putting both these system in the same boat.[/QUOTE]
I rather Microsoft get shit right now and hope they change course by E3 and show Sony that they shouldn't even consider doing the same thing. It's good that the gaming community is coming out and giving MS hell for this. If we didn't both Sony and Microsoft would think we are okay with this. I'm not bias against either company, having both of them successful is good for gaming.
 
[quote name='htz']I rather Microsoft get shit right now and hope they change course by E3 and show Sony that they shouldn't even consider doing the same thing. It's good that the gaming community is coming out and giving MS hell for this. If we didn't both Sony and Microsoft would think we are okay with this. I'm not bias against either company, having both of them successful is good for gaming.[/QUOTE]

Well said :applause:
 
[quote name='htz']
I rather Microsoft get shit right now and hope they change course by E3 and show Sony that they shouldn't even consider doing the same thing. It's good that the gaming community is coming out and giving MS hell for this. If we didn't both Sony and Microsoft would think we are okay with this. I'm not bias against either company, having both of them successful is good for gaming.[/QUOTE]

Yeah my statement was definitely not one of approval. :D I want both of them to know screwing with used game/digital rights is not acceptable. I just think MS messed up and got caught which hopefully will be good for the consumer. I just laugh reading so many people praising Sony today when for all we know this exact plan is in place also.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I never really followed the PS4 thread when it was announced...was there this much hate? Their presentation wasn't that great either.

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I'm still keeping my mind open until I see what comes out at E3 and the months leading up to release. But most likely I'll end up buying at launch as most of the issues people are bringing up don't affect me.[/QUOTE]

The Xbox One presentation felt like they didn't have an audience. It just felt like a investors meeting. And all of the negative rumors pretty much came true.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']well for one not all audio headsets uses optical audio out i know my x12's don't. another thing is that the chat port on controller is diff. With that said im sure 3rd party company will make a thing that allows 360 headsets work on chat port on controller[/QUOTE]

Not even Apple is asinine enough to come up with a proprietary headphone jack. There is no reason for this other than vindictiveness.

We're also forgetting that the Xbox One is powered by Windows 8. With Windows 8, there is no need to even use the headphone jack if you don't want to. The smart way to allow people to use usb headsets would be to allow game audio to go through the optical audio and allow chat to go through the USB port, something Windows 8 and the Xbox One are perfectly capable of doing.
 
Primarily Xbox 360 gamer this gen and I'm boycotting Xbox One.

No used games. Required internet. Garbage.

I'm not letting Microsoft lower the standards of consoles. fuck them.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Yeah my statement was definitely not one of approval. :D I want both of them to know screwing with used game/digital rights is not acceptable. I just think MS messed up and got caught which hopefully will be good for the consumer. I just laugh reading so many people praising Sony today when for all we know this exact plan is in place also.[/QUOTE]

Eliminating, or even highly restraining used games is anti-consumer, plain and simple. The fact that physical media only represents a license to use the media is one thing but when you're effectively restricting nearly free transferability of that license you have no concern for your consumers. Halo, Forza, whatever, aren't enough to get me to give up my power as a consumer. If Sony follows suit I will equally shun their console but I'm hoping at least one major console manufacturer, aside form Nintendo, takes a step back to take their consumers' interests into account.

This isn't an ahh I'm mad at EA for an exclusive NFL license or online passes kind of boycott, it is a 100% disinterest in the marginal amount of positives when weighed against the long list of negatives.
 
[quote name='htz']I just saw this thing advertised on TV by comcast. I guess they have their own X1.[/QUOTE]

Nononono. It's "Xfinity." Comcast stuff is for silly people. Only the cool kids use Xfinity!
 
[quote name='AugustAPC']Primarily Xbox 360 gamer this gen and I'm boycotting Xbox One.

No used games. Required internet. Garbage.

I'm not letting Microsoft lower the standards of consoles. fuck them.[/QUOTE]

Same here. I was pretty sure that a new Xbox was in my future since I've been a Gold member for a while and I have achievements blah blah blah but no used games and the required internet connection are deal breakers for me.
 
[quote name='chicagocubsfan']The Xbox One presentation felt like they didn't have an audience. It just felt like a investors meeting. And all of the negative rumors pretty much came true.[/QUOTE]

Not true, it doesn't require an always online console (just one that has to connect every 24 hours...).[quote name='KillerRamen']Not even Apple is asinine enough to come up with a proprietary headphone jack. There is no reason for this other than vindictiveness. [/QUOTE]

This says a lot... Microsoft really thinks their shit don't stink and they can do absolutely anything they want with this console and consumers will simply take it; I think their hubris will get the best of them.
 
Whelp just got back from urgent care earlier today and turns out I broke my ankle. Time to really get through that backlog...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not true, it doesn't require an always online console (just one that has to connect every 24 hours...).[/QUOTE]

I think this is just semantics. You need to be connected or else it won't work. I'm OK with that concept now because I have an internet connection and don't really think about it (events like Sandy notwithstanding) but what happens in 10 years when MS shuts down the servers? I can still play NES and SNES games by hooking up my old consoles - I don't think that will be a possibility going forward and it really bothers me.
 
I read an article earlier ( I think its PC Mag) and they said that

When you purchase a game, you will have to install it to your system. Once it is installed, you can play without the disc if youd like.

Now, if you sell your game to someone else, they can play without paying a fee AS LONG AS they use the disc. BUT, if they want to play without the disc, they will have to pay a fee.

It sound much better to me, but Ill have to hear it from Microsoft
 
Good thing we can't buy XO or PS4 right now and have to wait months for them to go on sale. During that time, all the options and features of both will be clarified and we can all make informed decisions without knee jerk reactions. Just sayin'
 
[quote name='chicagocubsfan']The Xbox One presentation felt like they didn't have an audience. It just felt like a investors meeting. And all of the negative rumors pretty much came true.[/QUOTE]

And the funny thing people keep saying is "that's what this event was for, to showcase the hardware to investors, games will be at E3." Okay if that's the case why did they send every xbox owner and email hyping the event? Why did they make a deal to simulcast this thing on spike?

Opinion: I think Microsoft thought they had until 2014 to get this thing going, it's the reason they are 6 months behind according to one article I've read. It could also explain why after the Sony presser in Feb they announced a presser in April, then it got delayed until now and still seemed rushed. Probably didn't allow enough time for market research on the name. Who knows, it will be interesting to see how complete the games are at E3.
 
[quote name='giantqtipz']I read an article earlier ( I think its PC Mag) and they said that

When you purchase a game, you will have to install it to your system. Once it is installed, you can play without the disc if youd like.

Now, if you sell your game to someone else, they can play without paying a fee AS LONG AS they use the disc. BUT, if they want to play without the disc, they will have to pay a fee.

It sound much better to me, but Ill have to hear it from Microsoft[/QUOTE]

that is how i understood this hole time. They will allow everyone to install the game on hard rive for first use then after that anyone can use the disk on their system but if they want to install an keep game they pay a fee (buying the game)
 
[quote name='RiPPn']And the funny thing people keep saying is "that's what this event was for, to showcase the hardware to investors, games will be at E3." Okay if that's the case why did they send every xbox owner and email hyping the event? Why did they make a deal to simulcast this thing on spike?

Opinion: I think Microsoft thought they had until 2014 to get this thing going, it's the reason they are 6 months behind according to one article I've read. It could also explain why after the Sony presser in Feb they announced a presser in April, then it got delayed until now and still seemed rushed. Probably didn't allow enough time for market research on the name. Who knows, it will be interesting to see how complete the games are at E3.[/QUOTE]

microsoft never once announced the thing would be in april that was all rumors. might i add unlike sony microosft had everything to show off like the system and the os system and other things. i remember 360 launch thing on mtv back in 2005 and most of it was about the system and the stuff the system could do and not alot of games
 
[quote name='giantqtipz']I read an article earlier ( I think its PC Mag) and they said that

When you purchase a game, you will have to install it to your system. Once it is installed, you can play without the disc if youd like.

Now, if you sell your game to someone else, they can play without paying a fee AS LONG AS they use the disc. BUT, if they want to play without the disc, they will have to pay a fee.

It sound much better to me, but Ill have to hear it from Microsoft[/QUOTE]

No way this is correct. My understanding is physical games will work just like 360's XBLA games. You purchase it at the store, come home insert the disk, type in 25 digit code, the game then becomes tied to your gamertag and the console you purchased/installed it on. Just like XBLA if you login to a friends console you can insert disk, install and play it, but as soon as you log off your friends console the game reverts back to trial or unplayable unless he buys a new 25 digit code from Microsoft.

Physical games are worthless, it's just a way to get the content onto your console in the case you have a poor internet connection, and also makes storefronts happy they have something physical to sell.

And I don't even want to get started on the rumored shady backroom deal they appear to have with gamestop to monopolize the used games market, if this is true, the industry can kiss my ass.
 
the only good part about this all is that this rumor stuff is ALL software based it's not a built in thing so who knows by the time this system comes out this could all be gone if they get even more backlash after e3.
 
[quote name='RiPPn']No way this is correct. My understanding is physical games will work just like 360's XBLA games. You purchase it at the store, come home insert the disk, type in 25 digit code, the game then becomes tied to your gamertag and the console you purchased/installed it on. Just like XBLA if you login to a friends console you can insert disk, install and play it, but as soon as you log off your friends console the game reverts back to trial or unplayable unless he buys a new 25 digit code from Microsoft.

Physical games are worthless, it's just a way to get the content onto your console in the case you have a poor internet connection, and also makes storefronts happy they have something physical to sell.

And I don't even want to get started on the rumored shady backroom deal they appear to have with gamestop to monopolize the used games market, if this is true, the industry can kiss my ass.[/QUOTE]

it's mr expert here lol dude just like everyone on this website you don't know what the heck is going on so plz don't say it's not correct and bash the guy
 
[quote name='AugustAPC']Primarily Xbox 360 gamer this gen and I'm boycotting Xbox One.

No used games. Required internet. Garbage.

I'm not letting Microsoft lower the standards of consoles. fuck them.[/QUOTE]

+1

I don't even use my wii and my ps3 is only used for blu rays. I'll probably get the ps4 unless they end up doing the used games fee too which I felt that the ps4 hasn't really cleared up. If they did then feel free to let me know
 
EA gave a hint when they said they would stop be doing online pass. it now makes perfect since why they stop doing that because x1 and ps4 will still allow them to make money in 2nd hand sales.
 
another thing sooner or later nothing will be on phisical disc. movies,video games, music. all those things sooner or later will all be digital items it sucks but it's the type of world we live in now. in my mind ps4 and x1 are built for that too happen.
 
[quote name='Javery']I think this is just semantics. You need to be connected or else it won't work. I'm OK with that concept now because I have an internet connection and don't really think about it (events like Sandy notwithstanding) but what happens in 10 years when MS shuts down the servers? I can still play NES and SNES games by hooking up my old consoles - I don't think that will be a possibility going forward and it really bothers me.[/QUOTE]

I was being snarky, I agree with you completely. Requiring an online check every 24 hours, hell even once a week, might as well be always online required because of the possibilities in interruption of service and the future use of the console. Individual games being unusable after servers go down is one thing but an entire console platform? Ridiculous.
 
[quote name='giantqtipz']I read an article earlier ( I think its PC Mag) and they said that

When you purchase a game, you will have to install it to your system. Once it is installed, you can play without the disc if youd like.

Now, if you sell your game to someone else, they can play without paying a fee AS LONG AS they use the disc. BUT, if they want to play without the disc, they will have to pay a fee.

It sound much better to me, but Ill have to hear it from Microsoft[/QUOTE]

Nope. You purchase a game and install it to your HDD. You can play it without the disc. If you were to sell the game. The person buying it would have to pay some fee in order to install it on their system.
-If they try it will say the game has already been activated on another gamertag and simply won't allow them to install/play the game

If they do pay that fee, they will be able to install the game onto their system and play without the disc (as you did initially)

HOWEVER!!!!!!!

The game on your system would be deactivated. (From HDD or from original disc you sold/lent out)
You cannot play it any longer. unless you buy a NEW copy and activate that one
 
[quote name='Javery']I think this is just semantics. You need to be connected or else it won't work. I'm OK with that concept now because I have an internet connection and don't really think about it (events like Sandy notwithstanding) but what happens in 10 years when MS shuts down the servers? I can still play NES and SNES games by hooking up my old consoles - I don't think that will be a possibility going forward and it really bothers me.[/QUOTE]
The big difference is that if it requires a constant connection and you lose it for even a second, you get kicked out of the game and probably lose save progress. Just requiring you to reconnect within 24 hours means that you can do what you need to save and then make sure you're back online to sign back in. One way has some leniency while the other has none.

If they were to shut down, I would be surprised if they didn't have back-up plans to remove certain restrictions or remove them all completely.
 
no one here can say yes and no to anything when it comes to the game stuff. Their are reports that goes each way so we kind of need to stop saying nope you can't play the disc on other systems, yes you can i read this i read that. unless someone here works on xbox team at microsoft we don't know the legit answer to all this just what we read. Might i ad the articles written about this are pretty bad and confusing articles.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The big difference is that if it requires a constant connection and you lose it for even a second, you get kicked out of the game and probably lose save progress. Just requiring you to reconnect within 24 hours means that you can do what you need to save and then make sure you're back online to sign back in. One way has some leniency while the other has none.

If they were to shut down, I would be surprised if they didn't have back-up plans to remove certain restrictions or remove them all completely.[/QUOTE]

Even if they removed the online check down the line, new games wouldn't be able to be registered to your console without an internet connection.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']Nope. You purchase a game and install it to your HDD. You can play it without the disc. If you were to sell the game. The person buying it would have to pay some fee in order to install it on their system.
-If they try it will say the game has already been activated on another gamertag and simply won't allow them to install/play the game

If they do pay that fee, they will be able to install the game onto their system and play without the disc (as you did initially)

HOWEVER!!!!!!!

The game on your system would be deactivated. (From HDD or from original disc you sold/lent out)
You cannot play it any longer. unless you buy a NEW copy and activate that one[/QUOTE]

If the fee is $5, I'm OK with that. Basically replaces online passes. But anything more is a no go. I don't buy used games but I do sell them.
 
I have a large backlog, as do most CAGs and could happily play the 360 for another couple years. GTA V and BF4 are both coming out for 360/Ps3 around the new consoles launch window. Triple A titles with hundreds of hours of gameplay online. Do they really think people will not vote with their dollar?

I generally buy my games new, but IF this retail price fee is true for used games, you will just see people wait for a price drop. And this exclusive trade system, smh, hasn't Microsoft already learned their lesson on monopolizing a market?
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']Might i ad the articles written about this are pretty bad and confusing articles.[/QUOTE]

Every single thing you post is "pretty bad and confusing" yet here you are, still posting.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']it's mr expert here lol dude just like everyone on this website you don't know what the heck is going on so plz don't say it's not correct and bash the guy

EA gave a hint when they said they would stop be doing online pass. it now makes perfect since why they stop doing that because x1 and ps4 will still allow them to make money in 2nd hand sales.[/QUOTE]

I'm not an expert, I just play one on CAG. :) Nothing I'm saying is wildly inconceivable, and if you read all the articles and between the lines of MS responses, I'd wager I'm spot on. And if you think Microsoft is going to change because of this uproar, you're sadly mistaken. Because when Adam Orth was fired last month they got a glimpse of this and it didn't change anything. So if they had over a month to respond and didn't not sure why you think they would in less than 20 days?
 
[quote name='confoosious']If the fee is $5, I'm OK with that. Basically replaces online passes. But anything more is a no go. I don't buy used games but I do sell them.[/QUOTE]

The fee is rumored to be full MSRP of the game

*Edit*
Also it's more a whole game access pass now versus an online pass. All portions are locked.
 
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it just puzzles me that not one single microsoft person has given the same answer i feel bad for the people in the pr department of microsoft. I bet xbox customer support phones are going off the hook because of this.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']no one here can say yes and no to anything when it comes to the game stuff. Their are reports that goes each way so we kind of need to stop saying nope you can't play the disc on other systems, yes you can i read this i read that. unless someone here works on xbox team at microsoft we don't know the legit answer to all this just what we read. Might i ad the articles written about this are pretty bad and confusing articles.[/QUOTE]


LOL.

What is your first language Timbo? Just curious as it is obviously not english
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']The fee is rumored to be full MSRP of the game[/QUOTE]

I know. That would just be stupid and kill used games. Why would anyone want to pay full msrp for an used game? (Well except for gamestop shoppers who are OK with needed.)
 
people just don't understand the type of world we live in now. people think this is the 90's and it's required we don't lose disc products. what will people do one movies,videogames,music is all 100 percent digiatal and sharing them are no longer a option. Will everyone just stop buying all that stuff?
 
Assuming this fee rumor is correct, i wonder how rentals will work...

Youre already paying membership fees, but then you have to pay say $5 (i just took confoosious number lol) to play each game you rent...

It also makes redbox unappealing..
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']LOL.

What is your first language Timbo? Just curious as it is obviously not english[/QUOTE]

now you are acting like a 70 year old L.A teacher
 
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