Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

[RiPPn]

The same Sony who came out with a $600 console, was universally loathed for forcing Blu-Ray down our throats so they could win a format war that gamers didn't care about, and told you to "work two jobs" so you can afford it. But now Sony is the hero of gaming. LOL!

You're comparing Blu-Ray to this draconian shit Microsoft is doing... get da fuk outta here with that nonsense.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

i would not be shocked if alot of companys go away with online passes and focus on micro transactions and dlc.

Oh ya that crap is just gonna keep becoming more and more prevalent in all games. In fact I think I remember reading a story awhile back that all EA games must have microtransactions in them.

Battlefield 4 is going to have micro transactions out the ass

nothing can be more worse then allowing people to pay 50 bucks to unlock everything on bf3 so non good players stop crying that game is too hard becasue the good players have unlocked alot of stuff. i stop playing bf3 right when that garbage came out. i worked my behind off to unlock alot of my stuff and then 7 months after game is out they allow people to pay 50 bucks to unlock everything with out work lol.

Eh? The shortcut packs don't cost that much and have been around (see Bad Company 2). The good players would never pay to unlock anything they could easily do in a week or two. The Battlefield 4 micro-transactions are going to be in the form of booster packs a la Mass Effect where you unlock camos/dog tags and cosmetic goodies (assuming character customization makes it in the final product) and these wont alter gameplay and can be unlocked by just playing. I welcome this.

bf3 short cut pack was 50 bucks when it came out

 

[RiPPn]

i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time

You sir are a flat out liar.

 

[WolfmanASTN]

i would not be shocked if alot of companys go away with online passes and focus on micro transactions and dlc.

Oh ya that crap is just gonna keep becoming more and more prevalent in all games. In fact I think I remember reading a story awhile back that all EA games must have microtransactions in them.

Battlefield 4 is going to have micro transactions out the ass

nothing can be more worse then allowing people to pay 50 bucks to unlock everything on bf3 so non good players stop crying that game is too hard becasue the good players have unlocked alot of stuff. i stop playing bf3 right when that garbage came out. i worked my behind off to unlock alot of my stuff and then 7 months after game is out they allow people to pay 50 bucks to unlock everything with out work lol.
only games i think micro transactions are ok is sports games and racing games and fighting games. I don't mind if someone wants to pay a doller or two for trading cards on say madden and a new race car and fighter.

I'm ok with DLC in hose situations, and if the developers come up with a great idea they want to add after the game has come out.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

im shocked sony person has not made a joke how they hope x1 sell well seeing more x1 sell means some more money makes thanks to blu ray lol

i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time

You sir are a flat out liar.

im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc

 

[thenutman69321]

most retail stores allow you 7 days to return video games i do it all the time at gamestop

o your saying people that support drm stuff like steam are dumb gamers and amazon drm game

GameStop is the only retail store that allows this and they don't refund you they allow you to use the credit toward another purchase. However if Microsoft is blocking trades on that title, it will be out of GameStops hands. A good example is when you buy a Game on Demand and change your mind can you get a refund? Good luck, and that is Microsofts future.

I've only ever returned a few new games and only ever at Frys Electronics. I've never had any problems returning a new game no questions asked there.

 

[RiPPn]

They can shift to digital all they want but they will always still be selling discs this console cycle, discs with no fees attached.

Unless you just got out of your time machine, there is no way you can guarantee that. Late in the PSP's life, a lot of the games were digital only, especially 3rd party. While I would think we can take them at their words that the discs they actually do release will be DRM free, there is nothing stopping them from picking a point in time and going digital only from that day forward. They *certainly* can't stop third parties from doing digital only releases. And if you are developing Xbox One, PC and PS4 all at once, at some point why wouldn't you want to stop mass producing useless discs when all of them are getting digital releases day one?

Cool, in the future when Sony does this we can bitch about them, but as you said we don't have a time machine and we don't need one to see what Microsoft is doing here and now, so let's quit playing what if's with Sony and focus on the problem at hand.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

companys will do everything they can to keep you coming back and spend money in their store

 

[Kazuya]

most retail stores allow you 7 days to return video games i do it all the time at gamestop

o your saying people that support drm stuff like steam are dumb gamers and amazon drm game

GameStop is the only retail store that allows this and they don't refund you they allow you to use the credit toward another purchase. However if Microsoft is blocking trades on that title, it will be out of GameStops hands. A good example is when you buy a Game on Demand and change your mind can you get a refund? Good luck, and that is Microsofts future.

And your future is, until the end of time no matter how technology evolves, all video game systems have to be designed to your exact specifications. Those being a console, an outdated disc, and a TV. And we have to keep this archaic model around so you can bend over for Gamestop and get pennies on the dollar while they get rich. No thanks, I'll take door number two.

The same Sony who came out with a $600 console, was universally loathed for forcing Blu-Ray down our throats so they could win a format war that gamers didn't care about, and told you to "work two jobs" so you can afford it. But now Sony is the hero of gaming. LOL!

You're comparing Blu-Ray to this draconian shit Microsoft is doing... get da fuk outta here with that nonsense.

It caused quite a firestorm back in the day. But you wouldn't recall, you were 9.

 

[Ashane]

Regarding BF4...

Considering they've already announced two expansion packs before the game has even been released.. yeah, we can see where this is going.

Losing out on used game passes is fine, if they go the way of Dead Space 3, etc. (Want that new guy? Pony up buddy)

This can, and will, happen on PS4 as well. On one hand I feel for the Developers, I really do. On the other hand, I feel for the average gamer who is going to look at shelling out $60 for a game, then $30-40 for needed DLC/Upgrades.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

thing about when ps3 came out hd dvd was out for a year or two and people were thinking blu ray for 600 dollers was just sony trying to sell their product it was a giant up rour

 

[RiPPn]

im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc

First of all dummy, I'm a 39 year old man, so take your "kid like you" shit somewhere else. And I still don't believe you, but let's pretend you're the messiah of getting returns, it has little relevance since the general public usually can't, which makes your argument that you can just return shit bone games irrelevant.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

Regarding BF4...

Considering they've already announced two expansion packs before the game has even been released.. yeah, we can see where this is going.

Losing out on used game passes is fine, if they go the way of Dead Space 3, etc. (Want that new guy? Pony up buddy)

This can, and will, happen on PS4 as well. On one hand I feel for the Developers, I really do. On the other hand, I feel for the average gamer who is going to look at shelling out $60 for a game, then $30-40 for needed DLC/Upgrades.

like you said before EA knows what they are doing lol their stock jumped up 40 percent after being voted worst company in the u.s and it went up even more after they announced online pass was gone. EA don't care about consumer they care about giant pile of green cash

im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc

First of all dummy, I'm a 39 year old man, so take your "kid like you" shit somewhere else. And I still don't believe you, but let's pretend you're the messiah of getting returns, it has little relevance since the general public usually can't, which makes your argument that you can just return shit bone games irrelevant.

you sure don't act like a 39 year old on here you swear and call people names and bash them left and right more then anyone on this freaking website.

 

[gotdott]

Regarding BF4...

Considering they've already announced two expansion packs before the game has even been released.. yeah, we can see where this is going.

Losing out on used game passes is fine, if they go the way of Dead Space 3, etc. (Want that new guy? Pony up buddy)

This can, and will, happen on PS4 as well. On one hand I feel for the Developers, I really do. On the other hand, I feel for the average gamer who is going to look at shelling out $60 for a game, then $30-40 for needed DLC/Upgrades.

I don't see why that's surprising to you. Anyone who plays Battlefield is expecting at least another 4-5 expansions from DICE. These are all quality time sinks with lasting communities so if you end up shelling out for them, you are someone who enjoys the game very much. If not, there are specific servers for the base maps so no one gets shafted by DLC maps that go out of rotation (like those other guys).

 

[TimboSliceGB]

im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc

First of all dummy, I'm a 39 year old man, so take your "kid like you" shit somewhere else. And I still don't believe you, but let's pretend you're the messiah of getting returns, it has little relevance since the general public usually can't, which makes your argument that you can just return shit bone games irrelevant.

plus how do you know what happens with people other then you. i work in retail i know how the stuff works stores will do ANYTHING to keep you coming back enough argument from you as the customer wil lget you whatyou want. it's called not being a baby and taking no for a answer. just say you will call their main office and that will help also.

the guy don't even know me and calls me a bleeping lier lol

 

[blueweltall]

Hey stop bashing each other and lets start bashing the Xbox again...

 

[RiPPn]

It caused quite a firestorm back in the day. But you wouldn't recall, you were 9.

Did I ever say it didn't cause a firestorm back in the day? You were using blu ray as a comparison to what Microsoft is doing, they aren't even close. Sony's machine was worth the money as it had advanced technology in 60gb drive, blu ray, built in wifi, better processor, memory card reader, etc. The machine was worth the money, it was just out of peoples range for a game machine and Sony was arrogant saying you will get a second job to pay for it. In contrast Microsoft's machine is technically inferior and completely anti consumer. Microsoft's arrogance has far eclipsed Sony's 2006 and they are getting backlash like never seen before. And it's not just fans of Sony that feel this way. But it sure is funny that Microsoft fanboys, and yes you are fanboys to be sticking up for this garbage, always seem to bring Sony into the discussion even if they aren't mentioned. Wonder why that is.

you sure don't act like a 39 year old on here you swear and call people names and bash them left and right more then anyone on this freaking website.

I don't bash anyone, rarely call people names, and rarely swear, do you just type crap to see yourself type?

 

[TimboSliceGB]

It caused quite a firestorm back in the day. But you wouldn't recall, you were 9.

Did I ever say it didn't cause a firestorm back in the day? You were using blu ray as a comparison to what Microsoft is doing, they aren't even close. Sony's machine was worth the money as it had advanced technology in 60gb drive, blu ray, built in wifi, better processor, memory card reader, etc. The machine was worth the money, it was just out of peoples range for a game machine and Sony was arrogant saying you will get a second job to pay for it. In contrast Microsoft's machine is technically inferior and completely anti consumer. Microsoft's arrogance has far eclipsed Sony's 2006 and they are getting backlash like never seen before. And it's not just fans of Sony that feel this way. But it sure is funny that Microsoft fanboys, and yes you are fanboys to be sticking up for this garbage, always seem to bring Sony into the discussion even if they aren't mentioned. Wonder why that is.

you sure don't act like a 39 year old on here you swear and call people names and bash them left and right more then anyone on this freaking website.

I don't bash anyone, rarely call people names, and rarely swear, do you just type crap to see yourself type?

that system was only 600 bucks because of the blu ray player at that time stand alone blu ray players were 400-500 bucks. even if ps3 was more powerfull most 3rd party games were made on 360 specs and ported over to ps3 seeing it was more easy to make the games that way which in the end made alot of 3rd party games play better on 360. This gen it will be interesting to see what system gets games ported or seeing that both are pretty much small pc's no games need to be ported one system to another.

 

[RiPPn]

plus how do you know what happens with people other then you. i work in retail i know how the stuff works stores will do ANYTHING to keep you coming back enough argument from you as the customer wil lget you whatyou want. it's called not being a baby and taking no for a answer. just say you will call their main office and that will help also.


the guy don't even know me and calls me a bleeping lier lol

Well I know you don't know how to spell liar. And most gm's, cause yes that's who gets called over when a customer gets irate, don't believe half that spiel they are fed especially from a young male. And I no longer care about arguing this with you, it's tired and irrelevant as I stated already.

that system was only 600 bucks because of the blu ray player at that time stand alone blu ray players were 400-500 bucks. even if ps3 was more powerfull most 3rd party games were made on 360 specs and ported over to ps3 seeing it was more easy to make the games that way which in the end made alot of 3rd party games play better on 360. This gen it will be interesting to see what system gets games ported or seeing that both are pretty much small pc's no games need to be ported one system to another.

Stand alone blu ray players were around a grand at the time of the PS3 launch, more proof you have no idea what you're talking about

 

[TimboSliceGB]

plus how do you know what happens with people other then you. i work in retail i know how the stuff works stores will do ANYTHING to keep you coming back enough argument from you as the customer wil lget you whatyou want. it's called not being a baby and taking no for a answer. just say you will call their main office and that will help also.


the guy don't even know me and calls me a bleeping lier lol

Well I know you don't know how to spell liar. And most gm's, cause yes that's who gets called over when a customer gets irate, don't believe half that spiel they are fed especially from a young male. And I no longer care about arguing this with you, it's tired and irrelevant as I stated already.

that system was only 600 bucks because of the blu ray player at that time stand alone blu ray players were 400-500 bucks. even if ps3 was more powerfull most 3rd party games were made on 360 specs and ported over to ps3 seeing it was more easy to make the games that way which in the end made alot of 3rd party games play better on 360. This gen it will be interesting to see what system gets games ported or seeing that both are pretty much small pc's no games need to be ported one system to another.

Stand alone blu ray players were around a grand at the time of the PS3 launch, more proof you have no idea what you're talking about

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.

with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.

 

[RiPPn]

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.


with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.

Here is an article from 2006 citing the cost of bluray players being $1000 at that time: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp Further proof you are full of crap.

Blu Ray was a media format, you didn't need to buy blu rays to play games. It is in no way shape or form comparable to the anti consumer DRM Microsoft is putting in to the bone.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.


with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.

Here is an article from 2006 citing the cost of bluray players being $1000 at that time: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp Further proof you are full of crap.

Blu Ray was a media format, you didn't need to buy blu rays to play games. It is in no way shape or form comparable to the anti consumer DRM Microsoft is putting in to the bone.

sony spent millions upon millions making the blu ray format it could have been end of sony if blu ray failed. ms on other hand is doing the same thing in thinking drm is what in 3-4 years is what people will want in videogames, movies, other forms of media. sony did a gamble with creating blu ray and ms is doing the same with x1

 

[RiPPn]

sony spent millions upon millions making the blu ray format it could have been end of sony if blu ray failed. ms on other hand is doing the same thing in thinking drm is what in 3-4 years is what people will want in videogames, movies, other forms of media. sony did a gamble with creating blu ray and ms is doing the same with x1

Do you know what DRM is? Nobody wants it in any of their media.

 

[aptanor]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.

 

[Mako1215]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.



+1

 

[Ashane]

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.


with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.

Here is an article from 2006 citing the cost of bluray players being $1000 at that time: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp Further proof you are full of crap.

Blu Ray was a media format, you didn't need to buy blu rays to play games. It is in no way shape or form comparable to the anti consumer DRM Microsoft is putting in to the bone.

You know what was?

GeoHot.

Here's a console, feel free to use LInux on it, we encourage it! (Remember that?) Oops, not anymore. Let's sue the guy making it possible again. Thus the reason why Sony saying "You buy it, you own it" is... hilarious... at best. This was two years ago that they completely roid raged against someone offering something on their console they promised would be there.

We all know the result of what happened there.

I'd think actually ruining two peoples lives would probably rank higher then some perceived DRM fiasco that effects a small subset of players.

 

[Kazuya]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.

There's plenty of comparison, it just doesn't meet your fanboy agenda for it to be so you ignore it.

There was no games benefit at all for Blu-Ray, and this generation proved it. It was a total anti-consumer move that benefited Sony and Sony only, and caused the console to be priced considerably higher. If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "Sony is FORCING me to buy a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't want to watch movies on my video game console!" I could retire rich and not have to be arguing with a bunch of 16 year olds.

Sorry, but Sony is not a hero of gaming.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

sony spent millions upon millions making the blu ray format it could have been end of sony if blu ray failed. ms on other hand is doing the same thing in thinking drm is what in 3-4 years is what people will want in videogames, movies, other forms of media. sony did a gamble with creating blu ray and ms is doing the same with x1

Do you know what DRM is? Nobody wants it in any of their media.

no one wants drm but steam rules pc gaming and itunes is the biggest music seller in the world and people are starting to buy digital copys of movies more and more. Yep NO ONE wants drm in their media i and you tell me i don't know anything.

people like rippen have no clue what type of world we live in this is not the 80,90's any more we are becoming all digital world like it or not. I think by the end of this up coming gen in say by 1920 all x1 and ps4 games will be 100 percent digital. Sooner or later 3rd party companys will see how much money they could save with out printing games on disc.

 

[RiPPn]

You know what was?

GeoHot.

Here's a console, feel free to use LInux on it, we encourage it! (Remember that?) Oops, not anymore. Let's sue the guy making it possible again. Thus the reason why Sony saying "You buy it, you own it" is... hilarious... at best. This was two years ago that they completely roid raged against someone offering something on their console they promised would be there.

We all know the result of what happened there.

I'd think actually ruining two peoples lives would probably rank higher then some perceived DRM fiasco that effects a small subset of players.

Sony was just trying to protect its assets. Had they kept Linux and let GeoHot bypass the PS3 piracy measures it would have had dreamcast like piracy. Had it not been for people like GeoHot they may have been able to leave the Linux partition on the machine.

In no way is this the same as what Microsoft is doing. You can nitpick all the small errors sony made and none of it will come close to what Microsoft is doing.

 

[Ashane]

You know what was?

GeoHot.

Here's a console, feel free to use LInux on it, we encourage it! (Remember that?) Oops, not anymore. Let's sue the guy making it possible again. Thus the reason why Sony saying "You buy it, you own it" is... hilarious... at best. This was two years ago that they completely roid raged against someone offering something on their console they promised would be there.

We all know the result of what happened there.

I'd think actually ruining two peoples lives would probably rank higher then some perceived DRM fiasco that effects a small subset of players.

Sony was just trying to protect its assets. Had they kept Linux and let GeoHot bypass the PS3 piracy measures it would have had dreamcast like piracy. Had it not been for people like GeoHot they may have been able to leave the Linux partition on the machine.

In no way is this the same as what Microsoft is doing. You can nitpick all the small errors sony made and none of it will come close to what Microsoft is doing.

Sorry, but that actually complete compares, even worse honestly.

That's not even getting into keeping CREDIT CARDS in PLAIN TEXT FORMAT on a UNSECURE, NOT UP TO DATE SERVER.

Stop being a fanboy and admit that Sony has had goof's that have made *every single company* in the tech industry look positively stellar.

 

[Mako1215]

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.



with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.


Here is an article from 2006 citing the cost of bluray players being $1000 at that time: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp Further proof you are full of crap.

Blu Ray was a media format, you didn't need to buy blu rays to play games. It is in no way shape or form comparable to the anti consumer DRM Microsoft is putting in to the bone.


You know what was?

GeoHot.

Here's a console, feel free to use LInux on it, we encourage it! (Remember that?) Oops, not anymore. Let's sue the guy making it possible again. Thus the reason why Sony saying "You buy it, you own it" is... hilarious... at best. This was two years ago that they completely roid raged against someone offering something on their console they promised would be there.

We all know the result of what happened there.

I'd think actually ruining two peoples lives would probably rank higher then some perceived DRM fiasco that effects a small subset of players.

Wasn't it more over the cracking of the code and releasing the master key?

I honestly completely forgot about that until just now.

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.


There's plenty of comparison, it just doesn't meet your fanboy agenda for it to be so you ignore it.

There was no games benefit at all for Blu-Ray, and this generation proved it. It was a total anti-consumer move that benefited Sony and Sony only, and caused the console to be priced considerably higher. If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "Sony is FORCING me to buy a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't want to watch movies on my video game console!" I could retire rich and not have to be arguing with a bunch of 16 year olds.

Sorry, but Sony is not a hero of gaming.

Don't pretty much all PS exclusives come in at over 8GB?? Pretty sure the Last of Us comes in at 27GB. Wouldn't be possible without blue Ray. I hate disc swapping so much.

 

[RiPPn]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.

There's plenty of comparison, it just doesn't meet your fanboy agenda for it to be so you ignore it.

There was no games benefit at all for Blu-Ray, and this generation proved it. It was a total anti-consumer move that benefited Sony and Sony only, and caused the console to be priced considerably higher. If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "Sony is FORCING me to buy a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't want to watch movies on my video game console!" I could retire rich and not have to be arguing with a bunch of 16 year olds.

Sorry, but Sony is not a hero of gaming.

There was a benefit for gaming, it meant you didn't have to swap disks or have compressed textures. reasons which weren't anti consumer! You never had to buy a bluray movie so the only thing it did was add price to the machine. And calling people 16 year olds because they don't agree with your tissue thin arguments makes you look silly.

 

[Ashane]

where the heck you shop lol i got a blu ray player back in 2005 for around 500 bucks which i sold for 400 after couple months of having it seeing most movies at that time were not even filmed in hd and was worth having a blu ray player.



with blu ray in ps3 sony took a gamble that blu ray would be the thing that won the hd movie race between that and hd dvd. so ms is kind of doing the same thing with this drm system they are taking a risk that years down the road drm will be the big thing in gaming time should tell if it wins out like blu ray did or gets barried six feet under years down the road.

Here is an article from 2006 citing the cost of bluray players being $1000 at that time: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp Further proof you are full of crap.

Blu Ray was a media format, you didn't need to buy blu rays to play games. It is in no way shape or form comparable to the anti consumer DRM Microsoft is putting in to the bone.

You know what was?

GeoHot.

Here's a console, feel free to use LInux on it, we encourage it! (Remember that?) Oops, not anymore. Let's sue the guy making it possible again. Thus the reason why Sony saying "You buy it, you own it" is... hilarious... at best. This was two years ago that they completely roid raged against someone offering something on their console they promised would be there.

We all know the result of what happened there.

I'd think actually ruining two peoples lives would probably rank higher then some perceived DRM fiasco that effects a small subset of players.

Wasn't it more over the cracking of the code and releasing the master key?

I honestly completely forgot about that until just now.

At the end yeah.

At first all he wanted to do was give it the capability they promised it would have.

The other guy (forget his name) actually went to prison AFAIK. Quick google search could probably turn up details, but last I heard he ran out of money to defend himself in Europe.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.

There's plenty of comparison, it just doesn't meet your fanboy agenda for it to be so you ignore it.

There was no games benefit at all for Blu-Ray, and this generation proved it. It was a total anti-consumer move that benefited Sony and Sony only, and caused the console to be priced considerably higher. If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "Sony is FORCING me to buy a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't want to watch movies on my video game console!" I could retire rich and not have to be arguing with a bunch of 16 year olds.

Sorry, but Sony is not a hero of gaming.

There was a benefit for gaming, it meant you didn't have to swap disks or have compressed textures. reasons which weren't anti consumer! You never had to buy a bluray movie so the only thing it did was add price to the machine. And calling people 16 year olds because they don't agree with your tissue thin arguments makes you look silly.

what will you do when all ps4 games are digital

 

[aptanor]

Have to agree, there's really no comparison between switching to a new, pricier media format and the drm MS is pushing.

There's plenty of comparison, it just doesn't meet your fanboy agenda for it to be so you ignore it.

There was no games benefit at all for Blu-Ray, and this generation proved it. It was a total anti-consumer move that benefited Sony and Sony only, and caused the console to be priced considerably higher. If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "Sony is FORCING me to buy a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't want to watch movies on my video game console!" I could retire rich and not have to be arguing with a bunch of 16 year olds.

Sorry, but Sony is not a hero of gaming.

First of all, we're all grown ass men (and women), so can we stop with the petty name calling and the "kid" stuff? It doesn't make you or your point sound any better when its peppered with totally unnecessary whining and name calling, it just makes you look like the child your claiming everyone else is.

And no game benefits? Go play lost odyssey, or blue dragon, or hell L.A. Noire, switch disks around a few dozen times, and tell me there's no benefit to a format that allowed a ton more storage capacity. That's like saying there was no benefit to switching from cartridges to disks.

 

[RiPPn]

Sorry, but that actually complete compares, even worse honestly.
That's not even getting into keeping CREDIT CARDS in PLAIN TEXT FORMAT on a UNSECURE, NOT UP TO DATE SERVER.

Stop being a fanboy and admit that Sony has had goof's that have made *every single company* in the tech industry look positively stellar.

I'm not a fanboy dummy, look at my sig. Sony has made mistakes no one is denying that. But they do not compare to what Microsoft is trying to do with the bone. Sadly you idiots aren't going to get it until it's too late.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

the funny thing is no one sitting here tonight is a legit fan boy other then rippen at this point not worth typing sony in his mind can't do nothing incorrect. Even once all ps4 games are digital in 4-5 if it takes that long he will be saying it's a great idea.

Sorry, but that actually complete compares, even worse honestly.
That's not even getting into keeping CREDIT CARDS in PLAIN TEXT FORMAT on a UNSECURE, NOT UP TO DATE SERVER.

Stop being a fanboy and admit that Sony has had goof's that have made *every single company* in the tech industry look positively stellar.

I'm not a fanboy dummy, look at my sig. Sony has made mistakes no one is denying that. But they do not compare to what Microsoft is trying to do with the bone. Sadly you idiots aren't going to get it until it's too late.

im buying a ps4 at launch not a x1 so yeah you don't know everything

 

[Kazuya]

Don't pretty much all PS exclusives come in at over 8GB?? Pretty sure the Last of Us comes in at 27GB. Wouldn't be possible without blue Ray. I hate disc swapping so much.

It is a gray area because there are a lot of things like data duplication that goes on PS3 games to compensate for the extremely slow speed of the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. Only a tiny fraction of games that were multiplatform needed to be released on two discs. Maybe had this gen gone on for a few more years and we started to see 4 and 5 disc Xbox games, but the bottom line is it just wasn't necessary.

The thing is, I am NOT mad at Sony for trying for forward thinking and trying to do the vision that THEY had for the PS3. I don't want to live in RiPPn's world where it's the year 3000 and we have to cling to some archaic model just so he can trade in discs. I would rather go FORWARD with whatever it is the technology of the day is. Neither Microsoft, nor Sony, nor the developers want to do games this (the old) way anymore. You can adjust, you can give up gaming as a hobby, you can do whatever, but you ARE going to be dragged into the digital age.

 

[io]

i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time

You sir are a flat out liar.

im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc

Um, so you basically commit return fraud to get money back on opened games that you didn't like? Funny how you defend yourself from being called a liar by RiPPn by saying that any person can get returns on brand new games simply by lying about them being defective. Classic!

Most of the general public, and most of CAG for sure, know that a new game is non-returnable once it is opened unless it truly is defective - and in that case 95% of retailers will simply replace the copy, not give you your money back. So most of us would not even think of trying to do that (both in that it is wrong and also that it wouldn't work most of the time) - it is by no means the correct procedure we should use to get out of Ryse (or any other game) if it turns out crappy (which the point that started all of this). And I think especially with Xbox One games they will be less likely to take them back even under your conditions. I'd go farther and say they will probably not even take back "defective" copies of Xbox One games since people could abuse that to get multiple licenses. Very few retailers will have the ability to "reset" licenses as most don't take used game trades (Gamestop and Best Buy being the exceptions).

 

[aptanor]

Am I the only one that finds it funny that the people who think this thing is horrendous are being, in general, more civil than the people desperately trying to defend it? Even if I knew nothing of the issues at hand, I'd be more likely to side against the damn thing based solely on how the people who are against it are presenting their arguments ;v

 

[RiPPn]

what will you do when all ps4 games are digital

If they force it hard like Microsoft and restrict it as badly, then there will probably be a bigger uproar than there is toward Microsoft because people are putting trust in them. If they betray that trust like Microsoft has then it'll likely destroy their brand like it's doing to the Xbox brand.

If they are smart and ease people into it with stellar like steam did then that is a completely different story.

But to think Sony will go totally digital is hard to believe. They have a big consumer base in Asia that is offline. They will make physical media for years to come.

 

[Ashane]

Am I the only one that finds it funny that the people who think this thing is horrendous are being, in general, more civil than the people desperately trying to defend it? Even if I knew nothing of the issues at hand, I'd be more likely to side against the damn thing based solely on how the people who are against it are presenting their arguments ;v

Uh? What? Look at Rippen's posts. Hell, he just called people buying Xbox One's "idiots".

Yeah, pretty sure what you just said is not at all true. The only one getting slightly upset is Timbo, mostly due to (guess who) Rippen.

 

[RiPPn]

im buying a ps4 at launch not a x1 so yeah you don't know everything

I knew you jumped to the Sony ship, I was talking in the thread with you the day of the Microsoft conference goofball. lol

 

[io]

what will you do when all ps4 games are digital

The point that I and many others have made is that we know things are going digital eventually - so why put us through this ambiguous crap that MS is doing now? Why not make it like the PS4 where there are discs you can play anywhere/any time and then digital versions that are tied to your account and allow some sharing? Why force anything different on physical copies? They will eventually be phased out whether it is later in this generation or in the next one. There was no need for all this extra DRM in the mean time. Like I said before, offer incentives to go digital, not disincentives to buy your console. If MS provided some awesome gamesharing option (10 random Internet people!) for their digital copies then people would switch to the digital versions willingly. They could have done that while also allowing offline, disc play for the physical copies.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

what will you do when all ps4 games are digital

If they force it hard like Microsoft and restrict it as badly, then there will probably be a bigger uproar than there is toward Microsoft because people are putting trust in them. If they betray that trust like Microsoft has then it'll likely destroy their brand like it's doing to the Xbox brand.

If they are smart and ease people into it with stellar like steam did then that is a completely different story.

But to think Sony will go totally digital is hard to believe. They have a big consumer base in Asia that is offline. They will make physical media for years to come.

1st party games yes but what if 3rd partys only want digital.

xbox is not destroying their brand trust me i called gamestops in my area when i got back from e3 and they are sold out of ps4 and x1 systems and still having people come in asking for them and im good friends with a manager at one and in conf call he was told x1 pre orders are going better then gamestop was thinking after all this news came out. xbox one and ps4 will both do well this xmas season and after that. if your not a hard core gamer you don't understand what is going on with xbox one. causal gamers already use drm like itunes and what not.

once box live came out and forced people to pay to play online people said that would kill xbox

 

[blueweltall]

True but itunes does not force you to sync every 24 hours for it to work.

 

[aptanor]

Don't pretty much all PS exclusives come in at over 8GB?? Pretty sure the Last of Us comes in at 27GB. Wouldn't be possible without blue Ray. I hate disc swapping so much.

It is a gray area because there are a lot of things like data duplication that goes on PS3 games to compensate for the extremely slow speed of the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. Only a tiny fraction of games that were multiplatform needed to be released on two discs. Maybe had this gen gone on for a few more years and we started to see 4 and 5 disc Xbox games, but the bottom line is it just wasn't necessary.

The thing is, I am NOT mad at Sony for trying for forward thinking and trying to do the vision that THEY had for the PS3. I don't want to live in RiPPn's world where it's the year 3000 and we have to cling to some archaic model just so he can trade in discs. I would rather go FORWARD with whatever it is the technology of the day is. Neither Microsoft, nor Sony, nor the developers want to do games this (the old) way anymore. You can adjust, you can give up gaming as a hobby, you can do whatever, but you ARE going to be dragged into the digital age.

Maybe you don't play RPGs at all, but there were several 4 disk 360 games. Not sure if we ever saw any 5 disk games, but near the end even multiplatform games had to be spread across 2-3 disks, at least putting the SP on one and the MP on another. It's just cumbersome.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

True but itunes does not force you to sync every 24 hours for it to work.

yes but most causal gamers will not know about 24 hours thing and will never know if they have it connected to internet all the time

 

[aptanor]

True but itunes does not force you to sync every 24 hours for it to work.

yes but most causal gamers will not know about 24 hours thing and will never know if they have it connected to internet all the time

But what if they don't? As astonishing as this might be there are people who enjoy video games but don't have an internet connection (and they aren't starving to death either, Ashane). Then there's people who will buy the console for their kids, then find out little 10-year-old Johnny has to be connected to the internet all the time, and they don't want Johnny online, so that's no good. I think they're alienating more people then they, or you, realize.

 

[RiPPn]

The thing is, I am NOT mad at Sony for trying for forward thinking and trying to do the vision that THEY had for the PS3. I don't want to live in RiPPn's world where it's the year 3000 and we have to cling to some archaic model just so he can trade in discs. I would rather go FORWARD with whatever it is the technology of the day is. Neither Microsoft, nor Sony, nor the developers want to do games this (the old) way anymore. You can adjust, you can give up gaming as a hobby, you can do whatever, but you ARE going to be dragged into the digital age.

I'm forward thinking, I'm fine with digital especially if it's cheaper than physical media. But I've seen how Microsoft handles digital, new release XBLA games started at 400 points ($5) and at this time now cost 1600 points ($20). 5 year old Games on Demand games are sitting at $30 and $40 that can be had in bargain bins for $5. With the bone you are giving them 95% control over pricing and taking away almost any chance at deals, 5% being retail copies may get a sale. This is not the CAG way.

If microsoft were forward thinking and not just trying to rape it's consumers they would have made an online store where users can buy, sell, trade, and auction licenses. But instead what they have presented us is complete restrictions to what is going to be a giant money pit that can be shut off at some point in the future.