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I came across this article on digg and I thought it was interesting.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/your-tv-is-spying-on-you-and-why-the-future-of-political-advertising-depends-on-it-20130627

Quotes political strategist Sara Fagen and her vision for the xbox kinect. Don't know how feasible it is to pull off something like that, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them try it.

Current technology can determine how many people on Netflix skip the credits, replay sex scenes, or abandon episodes of Mad Men midway through. That information provides a general idea of people’s activities on the service. But it’s more of a proxy than anything else. It can’t tell you, for example, whether a viewer hit the pause button out of diminishing interest or because they needed more popcorn.

There’s a simple way to fix this, Fagen thinks, and it’s called Microsoft Kinect—the motion-activated video-game controller for Xbox. Fans of Kinect have hacked the device to accomplish all sorts of incredible things, so why not mash together its facial-recognition and motion-sensing abilities with a Netflix-like data-gathering operation?

What you'd wind up with, probably, is a pretty impressive viewer-feedback system. With it, you might learn whether your target was in the room the moment your ad aired. You might even be able to find out if they were actually watching, or if they were distracted and had their head turned away from the screen.
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TimboSliceGB said:
so i will have to spend like 60 bucks to get my x12's too work on xbox 1 seeing i need the third party white and red audio adapter and im sure this chat thing wil be close to 30 dollers. Um no thanks ms i will just go out and buy a new headset that works with x1

till they make you buy dlc to just get the real ending of games or put microtransactions down your mouth which is what is going on in every ea sports game and good chance coming to games like battlefield and other EA games.

EA is too money hungry to not do alot of things to make tons of money yes online passes might be gone but they will make their money in other areas and hope people don't realize it's a money hungry scam
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:roll: microtransactions are coming to Battlefield whether you like it or not. aside from the shortcut kits which have always been there, they're adding "battle packs" that give you cosmetic customization items which is exactly what the community asked for. if they do everything in future releases like they did for Mass Effect, which they are now applying to Battlefield then it's a reasonable step forward and a lesser evil.

 
ShockandAww said:
I'd waste time arguing this nonsense but I know there's no point.

I'll say I agree with your first point if we were talking PS3/360. I'm talking PS4/Xbox One though and I think it'll be much different this time. I don't know that though so I guess we'll just disagree and wait and see.
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Right. I think we'll see better graphics on the PS4 than the X1. It's not easy to compare the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because of the hardware differences. The coming generation will have two consoles with extremely similar PC architectures. This isn't going to be anything like porting a game from the 360 to the PS3.

 
crunchewy said:
Did Microsoft drop the new plan of only requiring one Gold account for everyone on the console? If hope they didn't do that. A friend of mine said they had, but maybe he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

Actually I was hoping they were bringing this new plan to the 360 too, especially since they dropped Family Gold. If they aren't doing that, then I hope they at least bring back FG.
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I've not heard anything about MS dropping that. It would be cool if they started that policy on the 360 now.

 
I fail to see the value in the cable TV apps. Major Nelson just announced a landmark deal with Time Warner cable for the 360. All of these apps require an existing cable subscription. Therefore, why would you want to take the extra step of also turning on your Xbox to watch cable?

I'm not saying they should be free, obviously that would cannibalize your existing paid subscription base. Someone enlighten me.
 
I've read that since this is built on Win8 Technology, the HDD may be NTFS.  Has MS stated if the console will support NTFS for external HDD? 

 
xtreme_Zr2 said:
I fail to see the value in the cable TV apps. Major Nelson just announced a landmark deal with Time Warner cable for the 360. All of these apps require an existing cable subscription. Therefore, why would you want to take the extra step of also turning on your Xbox to watch cable?

I'm not saying they should be free, obviously that would cannibalize your existing paid subscription base. Someone enlighten me.
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Maybe with these apps you no longer need a separate cable box/DVR (like you do with providers that don't have X1 apps)? That would be mildly appealing as it would at least clear up some TV stand clutter from having one less box hooked up. Lower power usage too (DVRs eat a fair amount since they're always on).

 
dmaul1114 said:
Maybe with these apps you no longer need a separate cable box/DVR (like you do with providers that don't have X1 apps)? That would be mildly appealing as it would at least clear up some TV stand clutter from having one less box hooked up. Lower power usage too (DVRs eat a fair amount since they're always on).
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I believe the APPS also have the shows ON DEMAND, and it may be more programming that what Comcast would offer on their ON DEMAND. Do these APPS show LIVE shows or all they all basically ON DEMAND?

I still don't see the XBOX ONE replacing the set-top box, as it will be required to use the LIVE TV aspect. Still not sure why it is a HUGE announcement though.

 
doubledown said:
I believe the APPS also have the shows ON DEMAND, and it may be more programming that what Comcast would offer on their ON DEMAND. Do these APPS show LIVE shows or all they all basically ON DEMAND?

I still don't see the XBOX ONE replacing the set-top box, as it will be required to use the LIVE TV aspect. Still not sure why it is a HUGE announcement though.
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Aren't there some cable companies where you can already use the Xbox 360 for Live TV?

In any case, I agree it's not a huge announcement. But it would get it closer to them making the X1 the one set top box in your TV stand as if it did work for live TV, DVR etc.then you could just use the X1 for your TV, Bluray/DVD watching and gaming if you're local cable company had the app.

 
Aren't there some cable companies where you can already use the Xbox 360 for Live TV?

In any case, I agree it's not a huge announcement. But it would get it closer to them making the X1 the one set top box in your TV stand as if it did work for live TV, DVR etc.then you could just use the X1 for your TV, Bluray/DVD watching and gaming if you're local cable company had the app.



Keep in mind this is the first announcement. They said there will be more.

This has me really excited. A console that I can do all of my entertainment from, play games, Skype with my family and do party motion games with is a huge seller for me.

Maybe not for some. But for me. Yes!
 
I'm kind of split on it.

On the one hand having one box that could reduce all that clutter is great.

On the other hand, if you use one box for TV, gaming, Blurays/dvds and streaming video etc. your home theater becomes useless if it breaks as you can't do much of anything until you get it repaired (which can take a long while) or buy a new one.

At least with separate components you can keep watching movies and tv if the game console dies etc.

I'm going down to just having one console per generation anyway, so that will help with my TV stand clutter a lot vs having 2 or 3 hooked up the past couple of generations.

 
Blaster man said:
Right. I think we'll see better graphics on the PS4 than the X1. It's not easy to compare the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because of the hardware differences. The coming generation will have two consoles with extremely similar PC architectures. This isn't going to be anything like porting a game from the 360 to the PS3.
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3rd party games will look the same on x1 and ps4 and seeing most people did not know ps4 was going to have 8gbs for the first year or two that will be the case with 3rd party and 1st party. seeing both systems use pc architectures companys will just need to make one version of the game for x1,ps4,pc and not have to worry about making one look worse or better.

xtreme_Zr2 said:
I fail to see the value in the cable TV apps. Major Nelson just announced a landmark deal with Time Warner cable for the 360. All of these apps require an existing cable subscription. Therefore, why would you want to take the extra step of also turning on your Xbox to watch cable?

I'm not saying they should be free, obviously that would cannibalize your existing paid subscription base. Someone enlighten me.
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since 2008 you have been able to use your 360 with att uverse as a tv box so its not like its a new thing been going on for years it was just not a public app you downloaded was software you got from att

 
xtreme_Zr2 said:
I fail to see the value in the cable TV apps. Major Nelson just announced a landmark deal with Time Warner cable for the 360. All of these apps require an existing cable subscription. Therefore, why would you want to take the extra step of also turning on your Xbox to watch cable?

I'm not saying they should be free, obviously that would cannibalize your existing paid subscription base. Someone enlighten me.
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I've been using my 360 for Uverse connectivity for about 2 years now. They charge you $100 installation fee, or if you have the disc already and done the install they claim the $100 is licensing fee if you ask their support/billing. Where it benefits you is that Uverse charges a monthly rental on receivers after a certain number. So if you have uverse for 1 year at least the $100 is your break even point on the number of receivers. I was able to add a second 360 for free after working my way through support. It works just like a regular receiver once you open the app, can even setup shows to record to your dvr box and access those recorded shows across the network. It's been pretty good to be honest. I can't wait to see AT&T try to charge again for X1 "install". They can eat me. Either I download the app from Microsoft directly or I'll find a way to get an install disc like I did last time for my 2nd receiver.

What would be nice if more places offered this without charging an install/license fee. I know those "rental" fees are a way to nickel and dime the customer but if they offload the hardware requirements off onto someone else it could free up more money if you ask me.

 
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Ruh-roh!  Looks like Comcast is taking all the "must have" features from the Xbox One with their new DVR called the "X1"!  Love the name they used by the way.  What a coincidence!

http://www.comcast.com/x1

Introducing the X1 Platform™ from XFINITY® — an interactive TV experience that gives you instant access to all of your entertainment.

Using the X1 Remote App on your smartphone, you can control your TV. Plus hundreds of voice commands so you can change channels, search for shows and get recommendations without ever lifting a finger.

 
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The DirecTV iPhone app added some voice command stuff recently too.  I haven't tried any of it yet though (haven't been watching hardly any TV--mainly have it for college football and basketball in the fall/spring).

 
Blaster man said:
Ruh-roh! Looks like Comcast is taking all the "must have" features from the Xbox One with their new DVR called the "X1"! Love the name they used by the way. What a coincidence!

http://www.comcast.com/x1

Introducing the X1 Platform™ from XFINITY® — an interactive TV experience that gives you instant access to all of your entertainment.

Using the X1 Remote App on your smartphone, you can control your TV. Plus hundreds of voice commands so you can change channels, search for shows and get recommendations without ever lifting a finger.
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lololol

i could very well see ms go after comcast for this

 
doubledown said:
I believe the APPS also have the shows ON DEMAND, and it may be more programming that what Comcast would offer on their ON DEMAND. Do these APPS show LIVE shows or all they all basically ON DEMAND?

I still don't see the XBOX ONE replacing the set-top box, as it will be required to use the LIVE TV aspect. Still not sure why it is a HUGE announcement though.
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Also, correct me if I am wrong, but the XBone is only going to work as a Game DVR, but not a TV DVR. So what is the point if you still need a separate unit to record shows?

Now, if the XBone had a DVR or even stored shows in the cloud, then that would be something I would love to have. No more monthly charges for a DVR. However, with the Xfinity X1 announcement, I doubt Comcast is going to sign on with Microsoft like Time/Warner and ATT.

 
I cant speak for comcast or the others, but I can for Fios.

Currently the Fios App does not require a box, and it will show live TV shows instantly. It also allows me to access my DVR from my main TV, to the game room where the 360 is at. I can also access on demand instant streaming, as well as their video on demand services.

It basically allowed me to cancel the box I have in the game room, as it's not required, and just use the 360 as the cable box.

Assuming the X1 will do similar, so that while it might not be able to completely replace your DVR box, it most certainly could replace your regular HD boxes in whatever room you put it in. (Which isnt a huge savings honestly.. $5-10 per month depending upon what fios area you live in)

 
xtreme_Zr2 said:
I fail to see the value in the cable TV apps. Major Nelson just announced a landmark deal with Time Warner cable for the 360. All of these apps require an existing cable subscription. Therefore, why would you want to take the extra step of also turning on your Xbox to watch cable?

I'm not saying they should be free, obviously that would cannibalize your existing paid subscription base. Someone enlighten me.
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This TV feature isn't worth it to me. The last thing I need is to turn on my Xbone for 2 more hours everyday.

I made a point about not paying for additional warranty costs in the preorder thread today. Watching more TV through the Xbox would only increase my risk. I don't see the need to overwork the system even further. No thanks.
 
This TV feature isn't worth it to me. The last thing I need is to turn on my Xbone for 2 more hours everyday.

I made a point about not paying for additional warranty costs in the preorder thread today. Watching more TV through the Xbox would only increase my risk. I don't see the need to overwork the system even further. No thanks.

:lol: what?

So you are that worried about overworking the system? I am pretty sure MS learned their lesson from the last system and have shown that in the slims that have since. I'm not worried about overworking my X1
 
Watching TV through your 360 (or X1) would hardly use any of its power, thus would not heat the system at all.

However... protip: The greatest stress on any electronics is powering on. This is true in PC's, Consoles, any electronics device. Not to mention hard drives spinning up/down are also causes of great stress.

$20 says that if you compared both the X1 and the PS4 in a always on state, vs a X1 and PS4 in a on/off state two/three times a day... the always on systems would last far longer, assuming no lingering heat issues ala RROD from Microsoft.

 
WV Matsui said:
:lol: what?

So you are that worried about overworking the system? I am pretty sure MS learned their lesson from the last system and have shown that in the slims that have since. I'm not worried about overworking my X1
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Yes. Like I said, the TV feature isn't worth anything to me. Its gaming function is all I care about.

I have DVR and that's what I use to watch TV. Why would I want to watch TV on my Xbox for? I have a universal remote and it works fine. My point is that at least to me, it doesn't make sense to leave my Xbox on for TV and gaming let alone Blu Ray movies. I wouldn't want to leave any electronic device of mine on longer than I need.
 
Ashane said:
I cant speak for comcast or the others, but I can for Fios.

Currently the Fios App does not require a box, and it will show live TV shows instantly. It also allows me to access my DVR from my main TV, to the game room where the 360 is at. I can also access on demand instant streaming, as well as their video on demand services.

It basically allowed me to cancel the box I have in the game room, as it's not required, and just use the 360 as the cable box.

Assuming the X1 will do similar, so that while it might not be able to completely replace your DVR box, it most certainly could replace your regular HD boxes in whatever room you put it in. (Which isnt a huge savings honestly.. $5-10 per month depending upon what fios area you live in)
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The main issue with the Fios app first is that they only had maybe 20 channels available originally. They've expanded but it's nowhere near the current channel lineup on cable. Second is that it's SLOOWWWWWW.

It is a really good feature though. I wouldn't buy an X1 just to replace a cable box if I could just buy an Xbox 360 to do that though.

 
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Blaster man said:
The main issue with the Fios app first is that they only had maybe 20 channels available originally. They've expanded but it's nowhere near the current channel lineup on cable. Second is that it's SLOOWWWWWW.

It is a really good feature though. I wouldn't buy an X1 just to replace a cable box if I could just buy an Xbox 360 to do that though.
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Mine's pretty snappy, but then the house is completely wired for Cat-5, while I know alot of 360's are using WiFi. (Not saying yours are, just a general observation)

Agreed though, I certainly woudnt buy a X1 for that feature alone, but it's a worthwhile addition and saving the $5-10 a month for it to replace a traditional STB per month does bring the price of the system down alot over the years.

 
Donut2922 said:
Yes. Like I said, the TV feature isn't worth anything to me. Its gaming function is all I care about.

I have DVR and that's what I use to watch TV. Why would I want to watch TV on my Xbox for? I have a universal remote and it works fine. My point is that at least to me, it doesn't make sense to leave my Xbox on for TV and gaming let alone Blu Ray movies. I wouldn't want to leave any electronic device of mine on longer than I need.
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It's just for the sole purpose of multitasking(Skype, waiting for game invites, watching TV, browsing the internet and etc.). Yeah, obviously, if you're just solely going to watch TV, then it'd be completely pointless to use the Xbox One for that.

 
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Blaster man said:
Ruh-roh! Looks like Comcast is taking all the "must have" features from the Xbox One with their new DVR called the "X1"! Love the name they used by the way. What a coincidence!

http://www.comcast.com/x1

Introducing the X1 Platform™ from XFINITY® — an interactive TV experience that gives you instant access to all of your entertainment.

Using the X1 Remote App on your smartphone, you can control your TV. Plus hundreds of voice commands so you can change channels, search for shows and get recommendations without ever lifting a finger.
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The X1 was available since last year, http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/comcast-x1-dvr-iphone-app-launch/. It launched around May 21st, 2012. I mentioned this(the similar features) when the Xbox One was announced at the very beginning of this thread. I even thought comcast would be the one subsidizing the Xbox One.

 
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Ashane said:
Mine's pretty snappy, but then the house is completely wired for Cat-5, while I know alot of 360's are using WiFi. (Not saying yours are, just a general observation)

Agreed though, I certainly woudnt buy a X1 for that feature alone, but it's a worthwhile addition and saving the $5-10 a month for it to replace a traditional STB per month does bring the price of the system down alot over the years.
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I would definitely buy an Xbox 360 and sign up for a gold account (you would need one for each room sadly) rather than pay the fee for the cable box. This would save you money over time. My HD STB is $12 a month so with a gold membership the savings would eventually cover the cost of the Xbox 360.

As for how it's connected. I'm using MoCA (coax to ethernet). My connection is 25/25 on my PC but through the cable line I'm getting roughly 25/8 so that really shouldn't have an impact on the speed. Basically you can get a good wired connection in any room that has coaxial. I just started doing this recently and created a little thread about the $10 Amazon coupon here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/315953-10-off-ethernet-over-coax-adapter-via-amazon-fsss/

Obviously it's advantageous that you can do it over WiFi though. It's not relevant for me yet because my kids are young and they don't need their own TV's yet. I only have 2 TV's in my house and the second I just bought a few months ago. My 250GB HDD is about half full so maybe that's causing problems.

htz said:
The X1 was available since last year, http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/comcast-x1-dvr-iphone-app-launch/. It launched around May 21st, 2012. I mentioned this(the similar features) when the Xbox One was announced at the very beginning of this thread. I even thought comcast would be the one subsidizing the Xbox One.
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I guess that's what happens when you work with another company. They steal your product line. Just look at Apple, they've had to stop using Samsung as their manufacturer.

 
I've read somewhere about hooking your 360 into the HDMI input on the One, but it was only alluded to. I'm assuming they are implying the possibility of it being a somewhat convulted way to play your 360 games through the One. Has anyone heard any more info on this?
 
I guess I'm wondering why I'd want to turn both systems on just to play a 360 game.  That seems... pointless.

 
My guess would be that if you want to jump around from an Xbox One game to a 360 game. I don't even know if this is possible. Just heard it slightly alluded to and would like to know any details.
 
io said:
I guess I'm wondering why I'd want to turn both systems on just to play a 360 game. That seems... pointless.
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Because...

1) You'd still like to party chat with your friends playing X1 games while your playing a 360 game.

2) You'd like to utilize SNAP and perhaps watch video of how to get a achievement, or some such.

3) You'd like to wait for the intelligent matchmaking in Ki or another similar 1v1 sports game and are playing a 360 game while waiting.

Those may be unlikely events for everyone, but I can potentially see where I'd utilize one or another at times. I'm sure there are more as well, just a few I thought up instantly.

 
Blaster man said:
Maybe for people that doesn't have enough HDMI ports and they don't want a surround sound with a receiver or they're too cheap to just buy something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Portta-PET0301S-HDMI-Switcher-Support/dp/B00B46XUQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372615259&sr=8-2&keywords=hdmi+splitter\
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On my TV each port has its own picture settings and I have them configured differently for every device so therefore an HDMI switcher or receiver would provide less than optimal picture quality.

So therefore hooking a 360 into an Xbox One would be a workaround, but I'm still not sure I would want to have the Xbox One running every time I want to use the Xbox 360. I'm hoping the Xbox 360 and Xbox One output the same video so I can just switch the cables (hopefully the same will be true for the PS3 and PS4).

 
PenguinMaster said:
...but I'm still not sure I would want to have the Xbox One running every time I want to use the Xbox 360.
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Yeah, this is more what I was talking about. So to play a 360 game I would have to turn on the One as well. That negates any of the scenarios you guys came up with for why you might want to hook them up. Yeah, sure, on occasion you might use those things. But most of the time you'd just want to play the 360 game (and use the chat function on the 360 since presumably the people you are playing with are also on the 360). If the One had a passive pass-through function on the HDMI that might be a different story. I actually am running out of HDMI ports - certainly don't have enough for PS3/PS4/360/One/DVD player. So it would be nice to hook one into the other - but not if I have to waste electricity (and heat up the already hot room) by having multiple systems running just to play one.

 
PenguinMaster said:
On my TV each port has its own picture settings and I have them configured differently for every device so therefore an HDMI switcher or receiver would provide less than optimal picture quality.

So therefore hooking a 360 into an Xbox One would be a workaround, but I'm still not sure I would want to have the Xbox One running every time I want to use the Xbox 360. I'm hoping the Xbox 360 and Xbox One output the same video so I can just switch the cables (hopefully the same will be true for the PS3 and PS4).
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How does that at all resolve your situation? you're making the assumption that every HDMI input is going to be different EXCEPT Xbox One and Xbox 360 are going to be EXACTLY the same? Okay then put Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PS3 all into the HDMI switcher and use the same video settings for the three of them.

 
Blaster man said:
How does that at all resolve your situation? you're making the assumption that every HDMI input is going to be different EXCEPT Xbox One and Xbox 360 are going to be EXACTLY the same? Okay then put Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PS3 all into the HDMI switcher and use the same video settings for the three of them.
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I already know that PS3 and Xbox 360 need different video settings. I'm hoping that Xbox 360 and Xbox One will not (but I doubt it). I only have three HDMI ports on my TV (currently used by my PC, PS3, and Xbox 360), all three things have quite different settings.

 
io said:
Yeah, this is more what I was talking about. So to play a 360 game I would have to turn on the One as well. That negates any of the scenarios you guys came up with for why you might want to hook them up. Yeah, sure, on occasion you might use those things. But most of the time you'd just want to play the 360 game (and use the chat function on the 360 since presumably the people you are playing with are also on the 360). If the One had a passive pass-through function on the HDMI that might be a different story. I actually am running out of HDMI ports - certainly don't have enough for PS3/PS4/360/One/DVD player. So it would be nice to hook one into the other - but not if I have to waste electricity (and heat up the already hot room) by having multiple systems running just to play one.
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Guess that's where I disagree.

In every scenario I put forward, having to turn on both systems negated none of them. In fact, having both systems on was the entire point of every single scenario I put forth.

This is of course assuming anyone even plays their 360 after buying a X1.. which I'm not sure why you would honestly. Seems rather pointless, unless your a "back log" type of person and just must complete them.

I'd also argue that, at this point in time, we are at a point with consoles where leaving them on 24/7 is not only expected, but with the X1, actually factored in under a low powered state.

This is similar to computers, where most simply keep them online at all times. With a well designed layout, there is exactly zero harm in keeping a electronics device on 24/7, and the actual cost in electricity is virtually nil. Your toaster will use far more electricity then your computer over a month's time frame for a average house hold.

 
I guess it remains to be seen how the 360 through X1 works. If it works with the X1 remaining in "low power state" then that is fine and obviously not what I was talking about. I'd consider that a pass-through mode.

And by negating your scenarios I think you misunderstood. Obviously in the scenarios you presented you would have to have the X1 on (full power on at that). But what I meant is that most 360 playing would be without the need for those scenarios at all. The things you mentioned would involve using X1-specific features just during a small fraction of your overall 360 game playing time - thus meaning you'd have the X1 on (full power) a lot of the time without even using it. And yeah, I still have a boatload of 360 games to play. I haven't played Skyrim yet for example and may not get to it until this fall or next year. Do I want to have my X1 running full-power the entire 100+ hours I play Skyrim? Hell fucking no! Do you really need to be in cross-game X1 chat while playing a single-player 360 game? Or are the TV features all that important when you are playing a game and focused on that? Certainly not to me. And even if you do, it wouldn't happen that often for most users.

I'm not sure what you mean by it not using much power but both the PS3 and Xbox 360 put out enough heat to make our rather large bonus room overbearingly hot compared to the rest of the house. And note I have slim models of both systems. The PS4 and X1 will have some pretty power hungry equipment in them so I don't expect that to change much at all. I simply could never see having both the 360 and X1 on at the same time except for the very, very rare occasions that I'd want the X1 features during 360 gameplay.

This is of course assuming anyone even plays their 360 after buying a X1.. which I'm not sure why you would honestly. Seems rather pointless, unless your a "back log" type of person and just must complete them.
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This part of your response puzzles me. The discussion was solely about the "ability" to plug the 360 into the X1 via HDMI to provide some sort of half-assed method of backwards compatibility with 360 games. So if this is your position why are you even discussing this?

 
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Io, I'd save my breath trying to argue with Ashane that any XBone feature, regardless of how useless or silly, is not the pinnacle of gaming technology.
 
io said:
This part of your response puzzles me. The discussion was solely about the "ability" to plug the 360 into the X1 via HDMI to provide some sort of half-assed method of backwards compatibility with 360 games. So if this is your position why are you even discussing this?
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Was simply giving examples of ways you could use the features, not that I personally would use the features ;)

aptanor said:
Io, I'd save my breath trying to argue with Ashane that any XBone feature, regardless of how useless or silly, is not the pinnacle of gaming technology.
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Because discussing the power requirements of both systems is praising Microsoft up and down. Or maybe it's giving possible options for how to utilize SNAP? Guess what? This is a X1 thread. Dont want to hear about the X1? Well, you know what to do... get the fuck out and move on over to your PS4 thread, where I dont post.

 
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