Your reasons why this generation of game consoles will be your last........

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"I'm getting too old for this shit" - every Lethal Weapon movie ever made

As time goes on in this generation of games I find that I am generally not happy with the way things are progressing in the video game world. Things just aren't the way they used to be and I am trying to figure out the reasons why. Here are mine.

Gaming is getting more expensive. -- This generation marked the increase in price across the board for most PS3 and Xbox 360 games. "So what" you say, "ten dollars isn't a bad increase to pay for the rising cost of high tech games". Well consider this, it goes further than that. First off the cost of the console itself has risen on average. We used to pay $200 for the latest Nintendo console or $300 for Sony's newest Playstation. Now we are looking at $400-600 to have the newest console on the block. Greatest hits games are now $30 instead of $20. Controllers are now $50-70 instead of $20-30. And let us not forget that many games intentionally leave out levels, features, characters, and missions to let you buy them later on the download for a price. Suddenly your $60 game will cost $70-$80 if you get the regular version and not the collector's version.

Games are shipped half baked. -- I can't tell you how many times I put in an Xbox 360 game and had to "update" my title. Basically alot of the time these are fixes for bugs that should have been fixed before the game shipped. To me this basically punishes the early adopters and they must suffer through problems and bugs for the first few months after release. That is not including the argument of shipping incomplete games in which you must pay for content that should have been on the disc to begin with (see above).

Game consoles are shipped half baked -- The red ring of death topic frequently makes the rounds on this web as well as other sites. It is a well known fact that the Xbox 360 is made of "dog feces and paper machet" (Wombat). So the Sony is a well built machine you say. Were you there when the system launch systems bascially had NO features? You couldn't even play a PS2 game without it looking like total ass. You had no DVD upscaling features on a $600 BLU RAY PLAYER!! Even a $100 DVD player at the time had upscaling. What's worse is that the software isn't a whole lot better today. I still cannot talk to my friends without EXITING THE GAME! Add to that the fact that I cannot get rumble because consumers do not want a "last gen" feature. And do not get me started on the Wii's awesome online friend codes where you have to enter a long ass code just to add ONE friend for ONE game. This is going backward like if we had to enter a 16 digit code to save our progress because the game had no battery for a save feature.

I hate Gamestop -- It is getting to be where Gamestop is pretty much the only game in town for used game sales anymore. EB was absorbed by Gamestop and we lost the early morning deals that we waited for everyday (and Cheapy lost money after the merger). We lost the $5 Edge card and now have to spend $15 to get the discount card with a crappy magazine most of us don't give two shits about. Then Rhino was bought out. No longer can I pick up some cheap classic games and some $3 used strategy guides since I won't pay $17 for a damn guide. Now I hear rumblings of Gamerush and Gamecrazy going out of business. Damn well no more good deals on trade-ins or cut out coupons or classic plastic sales either. All we get are shitty buy 2 get 1 free deals every so often where the prices are so damn high I wouldn't even buy them then. $2 off for getting the used copy that has no manual, a generic used case with stickers all over it and a million scratches on the disc that you will NOT let me return or swap out if I misplace my receipt but I clearly bought it from you and you remember selling it to me but can't break store policy? What a deal! Oh and if I buy a new game I still get a used game anyway? fuck Gamestop.

Advertisements -- Sure it was a novel idea to put a Kawasaki ad in Waverace. It was cool to have a little product placement in your NBA game. But a new cash cow has arrived and we must now be bombarded by ads when we want to relax and play a little rainbow six. The EA games seem to be the worst offenders in this area. The Need for Speed games are a breeding ground for Carl's Jr and Taco Bell. I don't need games to remind me I am getting fat by sitting on my ass and playing games and eating six-dollar burgers. A good point by Cheapy on the podcast - why do I have to pay to download what is basically an ad (dashboard theme) and then they block my "ad" I want to see with another ad I don't want to see plastered right in front of my dashboard every damn time I turn on my system? The game ads were supposed to supplement the high price of game developing. The only supplement I see is in EA's and Microsoft's wallet.

We now have to pay for cheat codes? -- Back in the day the game developers would put in cheat codes to help players to finish a hard game. The Konami code was legendary. 30 lives for Contra, a powered up ship in Gradius, or a level select for Ninja Turtles 2 were the stuff of legends. Now we get to pay publishers like EA to get some extra money in the "Godfather" or unlock some extra clothes for Tiger Woods since you didn't have time to play throught the whole game to unlock them by yourself. I believe that the game companies strong armed the Gamesharks and Action replays of the industry right out of that market. When is the last time you bought a Gameshark for your PS3 or a true Action replay for your Xbox or Xbox 360? Hell we can't even get the "power saves" this generation. Also lets not leave out Nintendo who axed the region free feature for Gamecube games played on Wii when you used the Gamecube Freeloader or Action replay.

Game magazines are almost extinct -- I know a lot of people will probably disagree with this one. Sure we have the internet for free so why would you want a magazine that comes outdated every month by the time it gets to you? The answer for me is the magazine is permanent. There will be no server going down ever for a magazine. I have a pretty large collection of game magazines I pull out from time to time and flip through. I have Nintendo power going all the way back to the beginning when it didn't suck. I have strategies and maps for these games going back to Mario 2. If I get the itch to play these games I have to just walk downstairs and pull out my Nintendo power that covers that game. This would prove to be invaluable for playing games on the Virtual console. Sure I could use Gamefaqs. But I would rather have full color maps, illustrations, pictures and writing that is done by people that have at least high school education and can write. I like being able to grab and EGM off my shelf in the morning and thumb through it while I am having my breakfast. And the fact that I own that media permanently makes all the difference. I was pretty dissapointed when my favorite game website Dailyradar.com went under in 2000. All my favorite articles and features were suddenly gone, never to be seen again. I even saved a few of my favorite articles onto a cd. Years later went I went to look at the articles the cd had corrupted and would not play. There are only a handful of game mags still around. OPM died. Gamenow dissapeared. GMR didn't last long at all. Ziff Davis has revealed they are in huge financial trouble. The writing is on the wall for game magazines.

I like to actually own the disc or cart -- There is something to be said about the simplicity of having a game on your hard drive. All I have to do is fire up my Xbox and I can play any arcade game I have on there without going downstairs to the dungeon and thumbing through my piles of Xbox games (Shipwreck I am looking at you). That being said when you gain something you also lose something. Like many I am not on my first Xbox 360. Sure I was able to redownload my games no problem onto my new hard drive. However now because of DRM restrictions I must be connected to Xbox Live to play my arcade games. Usually this is not a problem however there are times when I am not connected to Live. Such times include when I am at my mother in law's house who still has wretched dial up, when Xbox Live is down for maintenance, or when my wireless connection is being a bitch again. It is in these times that I loathe the hard drive because I cannot play my downloaded games even though I paid good money for them (in some cases more than they are worth; see the $20 Sega Genesis collection on PS2 for examples) and to me that sucks. Does Apple make me have to have my ipod connected to the internet to listen to songs? In the days before the D/L if you had the disc or cart, you were golden, you could play forever provided your system didn't break down. Now you are at the mercy of the console maker. What if your hard drive dies 20 years from now. Will you be able to redownload the games? Will Microsoft still be making game consoles even or still have Xbox live? All I know is if I want to pull out Super Mario Bros and play it on my system as long as I keep it in great shape I can play it now or 20 years from now. The game companies are simply getting their feet wet on downloadable games this generation but by the time the next gen rolls around the downloadable games will be the standard. And lets not forget that so far downloadable games do not go "Greatest Hits".

Where have all the good deals gone? -- I don't know how you feel but for me it is getting harder and harder to find good deals on games. Bestbuy stopped doing their loss leader games a few years ago. Remember when Bestbuy would have like one really good game in their ad for like $10? Those days are gone. Remember waking up early to check the ebgames.com new good and sometimes rare games in stock for you to frantically order? Gone. Remember when you could get an EB discount card for $5? See ya. Remember the $5 off GGC from Bestbuy that served us so well? Outta here. And the penny guides? Those days are pretty much over, just check the penny guide forum. What about the Circuit City clearance every summer? In 2004 games were $5. In 2005 they were $10. In 2006 most were more than that. Now we get some random drops down to $16.96 and all the good games sell out at that price. How many of you were even able to find ONE copy of Metal Gear Portable ops when it dropped this month? It even goes deeper than retail. Pawn shops (the few you can find who weren't replaced by a payday cash loan place) and garage sale moms have gotten hip to ebay. Now any asshole with an ebay account can take a 5 second search to see that the copy of Dragon Warrior 4 that they were going to sell to you for $5 should really be going for $50. I have now noticed that pawn shops that used to price all game the same are now pricing each game individually. Yep truly the good old days of deals seem to be gone.

These are just a few of my frustrations with the gaming industry lately. I have already slowed way down on game purchases and this will probably be the last "next" gen for me. What are some of your reasons for considering getting out after this gen? I am not going to give up my older games. But for me I think this might be it.
 
No more metal gear. Unless of course they manage to keep the series alive and keep it as good as previous iterations. If not, I definitely won't be the next generation of consoles at launch. May pick up a Wii or 360 then wait for the next-gen to drop significantly.
 
It's not my last.

Videogame prices - SNES and N64 regularly had $60-70 games.

I stopped reading your rant after that.
 
I think I'll go along with the.. "I'm getting too old for this shit" and that people will probably say "You need to grow up now". Even though the latter is lame....
 
Xbox 360: I hate the idea of micropayments and having to buy stuff online after I've already purchased the game. Also, consoles are not computers, don't release half a game and patch it later. I knew this would eventually happen once consoles came bundled with hard drives. I will never get a Xbox 360.

PS3: I am really disappointed by the quality of my PS2 hardware. It stopped playing cds and blue bottom discs after only about a year. It has recently started having problems playing movie DVDs too. I still have a Sony Walkmen in perfect working order so why is this console so fragile? I will never get a PS3.

Wii: I was a big Nintendo fan when I was a kid up until the N64. Of course I would never get the PS1, Nintendo was the only company for me. Then I watched as good games one after the other got released for the PS1 while almost nothing was made for the N64. There were eventually a total of about 7 games worth getting as opposed to the PS1's dozens upon dozens of good games. I swore I would never buy a Nintendo console again and I haven't. The Gamecube had the exact same problem of very few good games and I predict the Wii will too. I will never get a Wii.
 
For some reason I'm largely uninterested in almost every 360/PS3 game that comes out. A lot of them look excellent, and my roommate HAS a 360 - but I've had access to Crackdown, Gears of War, and most recently, Bioshock, and I'm just not motivated to play them. The current generation just feels like Xbox/PS2 with better graphics, every game that comes out, I feel like I've already played it. Jaded? Maybe.

I don't have a Wii yet b/c I think I'd play it too much, but the fact I haven't got one yet kind of speaks to a mild lack of interest, too. Maybe Smash Bros Brawl will change that, since I'm still addicted to Melee.

All this next-gen goodness at my fingertips,and I'm still playing NES games and Picross DS.
 
I work 6 days a week, about 60 hours.

then come home and study coz I hate my job and want a better one :(

my brand new shiny sealed copy of Persona 3 is gonna stay that way... forever!!!
 
[quote name='johnnypark']For some reason I'm largely uninterested in almost every 360/PS3 game that comes out. A lot of them look excellent, and my roommate HAS a 360 - but I've had access to Crackdown, Gears of War, and most recently, Bioshock, and I'm just not motivated to play them. The current generation just feels like Xbox/PS2 with better graphics, every game that comes out, I feel like I've already played it. Jaded? Maybe.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. I love E3, TGS, and all that stuff, but, for some reason, when the games finally hit, I'm usually uninterested. The only things I still play are games which feature good multiplayer (any game with 4 player co-op is usually an instant buy for me), or Metal Gear. More games are utilizing 4 player co-op which is good. I see Halo has it, so hopefully they will encourage developers to make use of it. I am getting Warhawk and Haze solely for the multiplayer.
 
Meh, I'm only 20. I still got plenty of game left in me... It's just a matter of knowing when I should stop and play all of them is the thing.
 
Doubt it'll be my last gen, but the reason I'd stop after this gen is because games are just starting to suck in general. Yeah, we get the odd hit like Bioshock, but waaaaay too many games now are bland, generic, and completely devoid of anything resembling game design. It's like developers lost any talent they might have had at one point.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Doubt it'll be my last gen, but the reason I'd stop after this gen is because games are just starting to suck in general. Yeah, we get the odd hit like Bioshock, but waaaaay too many games now are bland, generic, and completely devoid of anything resembling game design. It's like developers lost any talent they might have had at one point.[/QUOTE]
But, this is true for almost anything.

How hard is it to watch something good on TV?

See a movie at the theaters without regrets?

Or listen to a band that doesn't suck nards?

EVERYTHING SUCKS.
 
[quote name='zewone']But, this is true for almost anything.

How hard is it to watch something good on TV?

See a movie at the theaters without regrets?

Or listen to a band that doesn't suck nards?

EVERYTHING SUCKS.[/QUOTE]

Basically. I was thinking about this earlier today and I came to the conclusion that everything sucks. Which was depressing.

Games were much better like... 2 or 3 years ago though. It's not like I've always been this anti-everything.
 
this definately won't be my last generation of gaming. I gaming will be a life long hobby of mine (hopefully).
 
It'll probably be my last for a while, if only because I have so many games that I've purchased or received and have had no time to play. Between school (I'm in my last year at college) and the crazy amounts of work/studying I do there, and vacations during which I work, I have very little time. I've already got a list of about 120 games that I have yet to play/finish, so I'll be set for a little while.
 
I have a son therefor I will be playing games with him someday. He is only 3 now he did play the demo of Cars and Surf's Up
 
Some of the updates are good though. I like that spring and fall updates on the 360, and when you pop in a game after those updates, that's because it needs to be compatible with the new firmware. if it wasn't Games like GOW wouldn't be able to display what you got the gamer points for and so on
EDIT: The thing I don't like about this generation is that a lot of titles seem to be bland. I'm also really tired of FPS games getting the buzz they do, why can't there be more wierd games?
 
I'm only 20. I feel like I'm just hitting my prime. (Waaaaaaaay past my prime....that was back in the PSX/Early PS2 days) Now I can barely find time to put in even a few hours a week....or I'm completely unmotivated.

I'm one of those people who HAVE to hammer into whatever game they're playing in order to beat it. Typically, if I don't beat a game in the first week I own it, I never do.
 
Where have you been all my life OP?

I dont really expect this generation to be my last, I just expect that I should fall at least a generation behind after this.

High cost by itself is not the issue. The question is what am I getting for that cost? More of the same is absolutely fine with me. I like more of the same a lot, as long as the price is also comparable. I'm not seeing anything new enough to justify the added cost. On top of that, I'm seeing wasted value by lots of functionality that I dont intend to use.

I'll be buying a PS3 the day I run out of PS1/2 games to play, and I dont replay games and I beat about 40 games a year average, across the last two years. Even then, it should be at least 2010 before I have to even consider buying a new platform.

I like that Nintendo has given both developers and consumers an option that is more in line with last gen on the costs level. I wish I could support them more but I just dont buy $50 games often. I still gasp inside when I see a 59.99 price tag at the store.

You know how many games I bought during the SNES/64 era? None. I got like one a year as a gift perhaps and it was all borrowing from friends or renting beyond that. When I rented Final Fantasy 2 or 3, I would have to save my game over all the save slots, in the hopes that if we rented it again in a week or two, they would still be there for me to continue my game. Of course in that case, they were rented so much that they ended up being bought.

As far as the new conventions in console gaming, I'll save the ranting on those. People who know me know I do enough of that on a regular basis elsewhere.
 
After this generation, I'm buying every game before I buy a new console. I'm to pressured to keep up with my friends, "Oh, you dont have Smash Brawl yet? Pssh your lame", but once I leave High School, I can do whatever I please :D

Dr Mario Kart, just like you did with the SNES/64 Era, I did with the GC/PS2 Era, games are just too expensive. I'm hoping to make an Open Source Console, where cheap people can be happy :/
 
It's just because the "natural selection" of gaming is happening and as we age, we want things back more to the way we remember them. I share some similar thoughts as you, but not so much against the changes. Why do you think Nintendo franchise characters are so popular in games now? Or that a sudden "re-emergence" of movies of TMNT, Transformers, Voltron, and more coming out? We just love the things we used to consider a huge part of our lives in much simplier, linear times.

Games will be more popular than ever, especially with youth growing up around such great graphics and innovations like the Wii. Us older games though remember the simplicity and the enjoyment we get out of bleeps, bloops, and pixels mixed in with our stories and multiplayer fun.

I will always have a soft spot in me for a great video game, whether it's an epic story or an epic game of Madden, my liking for games won't end because of the shift in marketing or pricing and newer "inventions" such as microtransctions take over. I am not a fan of them one bit, but there's nothing we can do but just settle with it or not buy anything from it.

I do think games were "better" to us in the past primarily because that is what we grew up playing, what we did instead of our homework in 4th grade, but now as we are aging, have careers, and marriages, it just doesn't have the same appeal as it used to. Working on that internal clock of routine. I swear that for most of my elementary life I did the same things when I got home, and playing games was a huge chunk of that.

However in actuality, the quality of games have been arguably much better than those of the past. Look at it this way, in the past 5 years alone, what titles have come out?

Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Metal Gear Solid 2-3
Halo 1-2
God of War
Shadow of the Colossus
Metroid Prime
Grand Theft Auto

Those are just a very brief list of what the industry has done in the past five years. But what about the start of the "next" generation in '06? What have we seen that really sticks out so far?

Gears of War
BioShock
Resistance
Zelda: Twilight Princess

With that just being the start, games like Assassins Creed, MGS 4, GTA IV, many others I am forgetting at 5am, and the inevitable franchise sequels of Gears, Zelda, Resistance, as well as the continuation of classic franchises.

I am not advertising, I am just saying that I wish that we were growing up in times like these instead of fighting over Urban Champion, although that can't be said that it wasn't fun.

Games are on a large climb up, not down. I just like seeing kids enthusiastic at stores over games now, even if it is a lot more bloody or violent than things in my past, it's just good to know that he'll start questioning the same things about the game industry 20 years from now, and be wondering why games weren't like they used to be.
 
Well considering I don't care for the weird games or rpg games really, I am very happy with my Xbox 360. I can play FPS games all day/everyday and rarely get bored. I love playing online with other people, I am very competitive when it comes to games and playing single player or with 2-3 people just doesn't satisfy that for me. While I agree that almost every game released lately has been half finished pretty much and that the download content is rediculous (it should almost all be free considering we pay anywhere from $40-70 on average), that new content also can bring a game back to life for me once I have played it and finished it. There are many pro's and con's to these systems right now, but I am hoping these companies will learn that they are going to lose the majority of the loyal gamers with the way things are turning out. Don't even get me started on the Wii, I think it is one of the worst systems I have played in ages. The system was a little fun for about a month and I got completely bored with it. The controls on it actually are what pushed me away from it mostly. It is a party system/child system like the Gamecube was to me. I can't picture buying a game on there that I can buy for the 360 at the same time, I feel the 360 game at least gives me something to work towards with the achievement points for it. While many people don't care for them, I think it gives me more of a reason to go back and completely finish the game so that I can get those points. I enjoy facing off with my Xbox Live friends to see who can get a higher gamerscore now. Point being, the Wii is attracting new people for now, but is going to die out completely because the adults and kids playing them are not dedicated gamers like the PS3 and 360 has playing. At the same time, the lack of support Sony shows for their customers (going back to my PS2 days) is pathetic and they have a huge lack of games for it. The system has been out almost a year with maybe 4-5 titles even worth really looking into for me. The 360 has their huge hardware problems and are driving people away as well. We may not see too many more "next-gen" consoles realeasing with all this happening, the gaming industry will be losing more and more money if this keeps going on.
 
I dunno, I personally like this generation. I think that online gaming is reaching the point where it's pretty well done on consoles, and I personally love that. I'm also a huge fan of FPS's, so that's probably why I enjoy this generation so much due to the large amount of FPS's that are currently available. I personally don't pine so much for the "good ole days", when I go back to play the older games, I can't believe that I used to love them so much. Certainly, some of them were good, but I have to say the vast majority were not really that good and were bound by the technology of the day. One game in particular that I used to love was Strider for the Genesis. I remember paying an insane amount of money for that game, and really, it's just an okay game.
 
I think that this will ultimately be a watershed generation for gamers, with major console problems, high prices, and the advent of microtransactions.

With the high entry cost of this generation, it's going to be a race to see how far companies can push it before the consumer ultimately goes 'nope'. I think we saw a lot of that with the PS3 when it first came out, as sales were stagnant at best. The other thing is how we are being inundated with a glut of 'problem' systems and the advent of the 2-3 pricepoint system. People, as a whole, don't actually want choice. They want simple, with as little thinking as possible. If they wanted to choose what their system comes with and how much it will cost, they'd be PC gamers. The mass community has flocked to the Wii, so, at least in the short-term, simplicity (and cheapness) has won out.

Micro-transactions are only going to get worse. It's a snowball effect, and I'm slightly worried how far it's going to go. People worry about 'half-baked' games coming out, and then being sold extra content later, which is guaranteed to happen, especially with money-grubbing companies like EA.

Microsoft and Sony are testing to see how far they can push us with this generation, with staggering different results. This generation will set the tone for the next decade of gaming, with the eternal struggle between simple/cheap (Wii) and complicated/expensive (PS3/360).

All I can say is that I've honestly no idea how this will all turn out.
 
I'm not sure what you are talking about. The last generation was my last generation. I am content with my PS2 and PSOne.
 
[quote name='Purkeynator']Gaming is getting more expensive.[/quote]Blatantly untrue. Gaming is far less expensive than it was ten years ago. Inflation, friend.

Games are shipped half baked.
Entirely stupid argument. Games will ship with bugs, always have shipped with bugs, will continue to ship with bugs. The fact that we can now easily update them is fucking fantastic.

Game consoles are shipped half baked
Another entirely stupid argument. One terrible mistake by an inexperienced hardware manufacturer =/= a trend. The PS3 is not "half baked" in any way, neither is the Wii: both of which have fantastic failure rates and great features. Don't tell me game consoles "ship half baked" these days when the fucking Genesis had about a thousands seperate "upgrades" and the N64 required an "expansion pack" for some games.

I hate Gamestop
So do I. Competition, friend. The market will always bring out new competitors.

Advertisements
Fair enough. Advertisements will only increase in effectiveness. Blame ad-blockers, VCR's and TiVo. Advertising companies now need to find new ways of implanting their message in your subconciousness. Microsoft is at the very forefront of this development, and they are currenlty winning the game console war.

We now have to pay for cheat codes?
Wow. Your reason for quiting gaming is that you can't cheat at your games anymore? Lame.

What are some of your reasons for considering getting out after this gen?
This holiday season promises some of the most amazing games in the history of videogaming. I'm hardly going to get out now, just as it's really getting good.
 
We really need to get beyond inflation arguments. If the costs of gaming had increased the way other forms of entertainment have, gaming wouldn't exist anymore. Gaming certainly isn't cheaper than it was, as the Collector's Editions of today more than make up for the odd $70 Final Fantasy III's of the past - Illusion of Gaia was released at the same time and was only $40.

If game prices had doubled the way movie tickets had, no one would be playing. $100 for every game? Ha! And having the consumer absorb the cost of increased development is a throwaway argument. If you can't afford to make expensive games, don't.

This won't be my last generation of consoles as I enjoy the hobby too much, unless something drastically changes in a negative way. I do find that I was much happier picking up a GameCube 3 years after launch than a Wii on day 1, so I'll probably go back to that in the future. Much cheaper, and more variety and information available from the start.
 
I'd have to say I agree. Last generation I owned all three consoles and a GBA. This generation all I have so far are a Wii and a DS, and I haven't touched either of them in weeks. Like one poster said above, I'm generally unmotivated by anything that comes out. I also don't have the time to play games like I used to, so that may be a contributing factor.

I'll eventually get a 360 and PS3, but only after this generation is over and people are moving on to the next big thing. Then I can enjoy this generation on the cheap.
 
Seriously, for most people complaining about the price, why buy a new console yet. By the time I finish playing all the PS2 games I want to play PS3 will be a sweet $200 (for a blu-ray player no less) and all the games I want to play will be in the $20 range.

Just counting games from 2007 (when my PS2 is old and busted) I want to play Rogue Galaxy, GOW 2, Grimgrimoire, .Hack GU 2 (may have been 2006?) and 3, Persona 3, odin sphere, Ar Tonelico. I guarantee there are more I'm forgetting.

Heck, I havent even played some of my most anticipated games of last year (FFXII, Disgaea 2, and Valkyrie Profile 2).

Some day I also hope to finish my PS1 major to do list and play xenogears (which means I'll then need to play all of the xenosaga games).
 
I'm definitely waiting to jump into this next generation of gaming. I'm still wowed by the PS2 graphics at times so its good enough for me. Plus the new games coming out are not that expensive and seem to go on clearance after a year. Whether I will buy a 360 or PS3 is still a big question mark for me. I eventually want to get a next gen DVD so why not purchase one that plays games too. I will just primarily use it to play movies and get the occasional next gen game. Not much in the PS3 pipeline that interest me. 360 has some good game i would want but I would have to spend extra to play HD-DVD's and it doesn't look to promising that the HD-DVD is going to win out against Blu-Ray.
 
Games will ship with bugs, yes, but the ability to patch and lax QA are positively correlated. When you only have one shot, you try to get it right just a little more.

Having the storage capacity necessary for patches opens the door for enough space to sell you the disease that is DLC.

This internet calculator tells me that the copy of Wild Arms 3 that I bought for $5 last week wouldve cost $3.91 ten years ago. How much were SNES and 64 cartridges?
 
[quote name='botticus']We really need to get beyond inflation arguments. If the costs of gaming had increased the way other forms of entertainment have, gaming wouldn't exist anymore. Gaming certainly isn't cheaper than it was, as the Collector's Editions of today more than make up for the odd $70 Final Fantasy III's of the past - Illusion of Gaia was released at the same time and was only $40.

If game prices had doubled the way movie tickets had, no one would be playing. $100 for every game? Ha! And having the consumer absorb the cost of increased development is a throwaway argument. If you can't afford to make expensive games, don't.[/QUOTE]
Gaming is less expensive than it was, and gaming is getting less and less expensive relative to other mediums of entertainment (well, besides maybe the CD industry, which is dying fast).

I agree we are still not at mass market levels yet. I hope that gaming leaders really want to expand this market. I also hope there are some real revolutions so that the price of games is on par with movies eventually.


Gaming companies can either be smart and use revenue from DLC and in-game advertising the lower prices (as well as sacrafice to be progressive-minded and expand the market), or they can be greedy and quickly kill off gaming with high prices.

Luckily I am certain gaming will survive, if only with the bastion of the PC for creative people to bless us with their art.
 
I don't know about you guys but I am 35. And every year brings better stuff. Some of you guys are just growing up, and realizing that there is more to life than games. That's expected. And yes, you will feel a separation from what teenagers like. If you haven't yet, you will. A huge game, like GTA will come out that kids love and you'll think it's stupid. Just accept that you are getting older. But me, I love gaming in my spare time. It's the most fun hobby, and my wife likes that it's a hobby that keeps me safe at home. And the best part is there's more to come. When I was in college, the best FPS was wolfenstein 3d and now look at Gears. There's no where to go but up.
 
I'm 31 and I actually got out of gaming in college. I was really into SMS, NES, Genesis, and SNES until I got to college where I did some PC gaming (mainly Doom and Warcraft II). Playstation and Saturn were both way out of my price range for a poor college student. My college PC quickly became obsolete to play any of the newer games coming out so I just mainly focused my attentions on school, work, and collecting music. Then my brother who already graduated bought an N64 and I slowly got back into gaming when I graduated from school and could actually afford to buy games. Ended up finally getting a Playstation 4 years after it debuted. But my collection was always small until CAG popped up. CAG really got me into gaming like I never have been in it before and it has just been 4 years. Yeah, I'm getting older but I feel why not enjoy it before I settle down. I already own a condo and I'm looking to buy a townhome in a year or two. Also, I planning on getting into autocrossing now that I can afford to own two cars. Will I ever get rid of my collection, probably not, I would rather put it in storage than ever sell off my collection.
 
The arguments that 'Everything was better in the past' always makes me think of a crotchety old man talking about how much better everything was in HIS day.

Damn kids, get off my lawn.
 
Well this could be an interesting arguement... I mean I have been playing FPS since Wolfenstein, Doom was something to have and play, heretic, hexen, even some of the lesser known ones, Blakestone, Catacomb etc.

So for me the FPS genre is somewhat old and outdated.. I have played those games for the last 17 or so years...

RPG used to be great but in reality I don't have the time for them anymore.. I love Zelda and actually turned it on last night... you know what I had last saved my game in March.... I mean its not like I have been playing a shit load of games... I have barely played any games in that time, I am just too busy anymore.

Sounds to me like you need to invest in a wii or a PC gaming platform... your only "valid" complaint on the Wii is the codes for online play... then don't use it for that. In reality theres not much to play online anyway (strikers what else?).

Or get back into PC gaming and leave the consoles alone.

These threads have been done to death on here near the end of the last cycle... You will maybe give up for 6 months to a year and then something will lure you back in.

Try something new in the form of systems and or games... or Leave for a bit and wait to come back... when the gems have been figured out and their prices have dropped. Leave that burden to the early adopters.
 
I think that the OP is the smartest gamer alive. The new gen of gaming is all about suckers who will blindly pay whatever for the latest and greatest just because gamestop or their friends said it was "hot". It's not about us anymore. It's about the guy who buys 2-3 $60 games every week because they're new, gets bored, and sells them back to gamestop for $15 apeice in the next two weeks.

And game prices are absolutely fucking rediculous. The arguement that it cost more in the SNES/N64 era doesn't work. Back then games came on Expensive ROM chips and had much more expensive packaging. The number of people buying games was also considerably smaller. Hardware also was priced far below what systems cost today. A $210 SNES vs a $600 PS3/$400 360.

Now we have games that come in packaging that costs maybe a dollar to make, and discs that cost between pennies and a dollar or two for blu-ray, not to mention many more people buying games. At least, there would be if the games didn't still cost $60.

There are games I want to play from this generation, for sure, but from now on I'll be a generation behind, due to the high costs involved. There's TONS to play on the old generation systems, and I don't think anybody can say they've seen all they can from just the PS2 alone.

On the other hand I can't complain one bit about handheld gaming. I think it's the last hope for cheap, fun older style gaming. But who knows, maybe the PSP2 will cost $400 and add in all kinds of useless media features that I don't give a fuck about in a gaming machine. Because that's the popular thing, that's what all the kids want. They want to say they've got the best and shiniest and there's a rap star that has one in his trunk. fuck popular culture.
 
Hmmm. What a funny question to ask, OP.

It's like you...know something we don't.

Like maybe...Oh I don't know...YOU ARE IN LINE WITH THE GIANT MUTANT SPACE ANTS, COME TO ENSLAVE US ALL?!

We all know new gaming technology is the bane of their existence, able to destory their segmented bodies with soft glowing LEDs. I HAVE BATTLED THEM MANY TIMES BEFORE. I know their secrets! Wireless controllers SHRIEK at them at a frequency humans cannot hear, rendered them mad with Ant Madness.

Do not give up your gaming, lest ye wish the fate of the world to fall to the dreaded Queen Antonia, and her army of infANTry!

OH GOD ITS ALREADY STARTING, BUT I WON'T GIVE UP. I'M NOT DOWN WITH THE INSECTIAN HORDES LIKE THE OP IS!

RESIST, BROTHERS! RESIST AND FIGHT!
 
[quote name='zewone']It's not my last.

Videogame prices - SNES and N64 regularly had $60-70 games.

I stopped reading your rant after that.[/quote]Is the OP a noob?
 
[quote name='dallow']Is the OP a noob?[/quote]Can we get a list of these supposed common $60-$70 games? The listings in IGN only put RPGs up in that range in the SNES era. Everything else was much lower.
 
[quote name='botticus']Can we get a list of these supposed common $60-$70 games? The listings in IGN only put RPGs up in that range in the SNES era. Everything else was much lower.[/quote]How much lower?

Wasn't SM64 about that price?
 
[quote name='dallow']How much lower?

Wasn't SM64 about that price?[/quote]I haven't paid attention to N64 games at all (IGN lists it at $40, though), but while some of IGN's listings are screwy (apparently F-Zero's MSRP is $5.32?):

Contra III: $15
Super Mario World: $25
NBA Jam: TE: $30
Donkey Kong 64: $50

Then the ones I think people are referring to:
Final Fantasy III: $80
Secret of Mana: $70
Breath of Fire: $70
EarthBound: $70
Illusion of Gaia: $40
 
[quote name='dallow']How much lower?

Wasn't SM64 about that price?[/QUOTE]

SM64 might've been 50. Though I know for a fact that Midway's earlier N64 games were in the 70-80 range and I think some stuff like Killer Instinct Gold was around $60. Though prices dropped after the first year the N64 was around.
 
It was not $40.

I remember trying to get Darkthrone? Blackthrone?
That SNES game with the Jim Lee cover art, it was 59.99 as most brand new games were.

That's why I owned so few games back then, Blockbuster was the best.

And don't forget about inflation.
 
[quote name='Purkeynator']When is the last time you saw Nintendo issue a patch for a game? It is entirely possible to ship a complete game with very few bugs.[/QUOTE]
Lack of patches =/= lack of bugs, genius.

Besides, when was the last time you played an online Nintendo game? Most bugs that need fixing are unexpected stuff brought up by multiplayer play.

[quote name='dallow']Is the OP a noob?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much all of his points were dumbfuck bullshit, so yeah, I'd have to agree with that sentiment.
 
[quote name='botticus']I haven't paid attention to N64 games at all (IGN lists it at $40, though)[/quote]
Player's Choice version maybe, but it was $60 when it first came out.

[quote name='johnnypark']For some reason I'm largely uninterested in almost every 360/PS3 game that comes out. A lot of them look excellent, and my roommate HAS a 360 - but I've had access to Crackdown, Gears of War, and most recently, Bioshock, and I'm just not motivated to play them. The current generation just feels like Xbox/PS2 with better graphics, every game that comes out, I feel like I've already played it. Jaded? Maybe.[/quote]
Exactly why I haven't upgraded to next gen systems and just fine playing last gen games. Whenever I go into Wal=Mart or Gamestop, I try the kiosks they have and get pretty bored. Nothing really has that "wow" factor since they're like last gen games with better graphics. I guess it's more of a "I getting too old for this" than anything.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']
Pretty much all of his points were dumbfuck bullshit, so yeah, I'd have to agree with that sentiment.[/QUOTE]

How? All of his points were accurate and they are legitimate problems with the industry.
 
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