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Update 12/14: (Thanks mvp828!)

Hey Everyone --

I wanted to give you the heads up on a lot of cool changes coming to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare multiplayer for the Xbox 360 in the month of December. Before you ask, there is no ETA on these changes, most are included in the upcoming patch, with all the playlists stuff happening independently at some point in the near future.

All of these changes are thanks to YOUR direct feedback and suggestions through Xbox.com forums, emails, IMing me personally, and any other way you managed to get your feedback to us. So what can you expect?

Multiplayer Playlist Changes:

The multiplayer playlists in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare are always evolving based on community feedback and stats we track behind the scenes. We're focused on constantly keeping the game fresh and tweaking it based on your feedback, so expect the following Playlist changes to be hitting soon:

Team Deathmatch

* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Mercenary Team Deathmatch

* Brand New Playlists: No Clans / Parties allowed.
* Players who don't want to be matchmade with clans (or people in parties) can team up with fellow lone wolves and play some TDM.

Free-for-All

* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.
* Score Limit Change: 100 Points

Domination

* Map Added to Rotation: Ambush - now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Bloc- now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Pipeline - now availalbe in map rotation.

Ground War

* No changes.

Sabatoge

* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Headquarters

* Map Added to Rotation: Ambush - now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Bloc- now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Pipeline - now availalbe in map rotation.

Search and Destroy

* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Team Tactical


* Map Added to Rotation: Ambush - now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Bloc- now available in map rotation.
* Map Added to Rotation: Pipeline - now availalbe in map rotation.

Hardcore Team Deathmatch

* Brand New Playlist: 100% Hardcore Team Deathmatch Only
* No longer switched between Hardcore Search and Destroy and Hardcore Team Deathmatch
* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Hardcore Search and Destroy

* Brand New Playlist: 100% Hardcore Search and Destroy Only
* No longer switched between Hardcore Search and Destroy and Hardcore Team Deathmatch
* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Old School

* Rule Set Change: Free-for-All Only w/ Old School Rules
* Increased Health (slightly)
* No Health Re-gen
* Score Limit Change: 100 points
* Map Added to Rotation: Showdown - now available in map rotation.

Cage Match

* Rule Set Change: No Longer Old School Mode
* 1 v 1: Normal Rules
* Map Added to Rotation: Countdown - now availalbe in map rotation
* Map Added to Rotation: District - now available in map rotation

Oldcore

* Playlist Removed

Team Objective

* Playlist Removed
* All gametypes included now available individually.

Upcoming Patch Updates (Seperate from above Playlist changes):

Addition of Host Migration

* If Host of lobby leaves, all players will be deposited back to the lobby where next best host will be selected before new game restarts. Players will no longer be kicked out of game entirely.

Improved Network Performance For Larger Games

* 18 player games now require more bandwidth to host, resulting in smoother performance for players.

Optimized Server Selection for First Match

* Server selection is now optimized to select best bandwidth servers associated by LSP.

Updated Spectator "Chase Cam"

* Change Spectator Mode: Switch between First Person and Third Person.
* 360 Degree rotation around character you're spectating.

Fixed "Playlist Older Than Host" Error

* Player will no longer get error when entering games.

Optimized Corrupt Create-a-Class Handling

* Players will no longer be kicked from game when their create-a-class data is corrupted.

Added Kill Cam To Everything

* Kill Cam view Added: Air Strike Bombs (Follows bomb from plane to target)
* Kill Cam view Added: Grenades (Follows frag from hand to ground, then rotates to view target)
* Kill Cam view Added: RPGs (Follows RPG from launch to target)
* Kill Cam view Added: M203 Rounds (Follows round from launcher to target)
* Kill Cam view Added: Claymores (Views from behind claymore until explosion)
* Kill Cam view Added: C4 Packs (View from pack rotating to watch target)
* Kill Cam view Added: Martrdom (View from grenade rotating to watch target)

Optimized Old School Experience

* Added Unlimited Sprint
* Doubled Magazine Size
* Added Ragdoll Cam

Additional Start Spawn Locations in All Maps

* Added a minimum of 9 extra start spawns on each side of all maps.

Optimized Sniper Rifle / ACOG Scope Accuracy

* Sniper Rifles and ACOG scope accuracy improved due to fix.

Fixed Weapon Sprint Bug

* Bug which gave players more sprint when using particular weapons.

Thanks again for your constant feedback and support of the game, keep in mind that playlists are constantly evolving, so everything is subject to change based on feedback and results. If we feel something isn't fun or based on your feedback we'll continue to change it up and I'll continue to keep you in the loop.

Thanks everyone.
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Infinity Ward: Community Relations Manager

Update 10/22:

IGN Multiplayer Hands-On preview

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/829/829054p1.html

10/10 from OXM rumors from subscribers who have received their magazines already.





Update 9/21:
Friday Sept. 28th, (first thing aka 10 am PST) we're going to be maxing out the level cap for the beta at Rank 25. This is going to allow you to rank up and unlock everything that's not marked Classified including new weapons, perks, and challenges such as:


Assault Rifles:
> G3

Light Machine Guns:
> M60E4

Sniper Rifles:
> Dragunov

Perk 1:
> Claymore X2

Perk 2:
> Slight of Hand

Perk 3:
> Martyrdom

Next weekend (Friday 28th / Sunday 30th) is going to be a mad rush to level 25 as it's official, come 11:59pm on Sunday the 30th the beta will be coming to a close. I know, I know... but don't worry. It'll only be a little over a month from that point that you'll be able to get your hands on the full version of the game on November 5th.

Two posts ago, I talked a bit about all the changes we've implemented to the game thanks to the beta, and now that the beta is closing on it's end and we're closed in on 'Going Gold' I wanted to clarify and go a bit more in depth on how effective this beta has been. Thanks to the tens of thousands of feedback emails we've received and the stat tracking behind the scenes here at IW, we've been able really optimize multiplayer before launch. Some of which includes:

Sensitivity Slider:
A lot of you have requested customized sensitivity, opposed to just Low, Medium, and High settings, as well as suggesting a Sensitivity Slider which would allow you to set your sensitivity to exactly what you're most comfortable with. We've taken that feedback and made sure it made it into the game. You'll now be able to go to Options > Sensitivity and use a slider to select exactly how fast you want to aim.

Host Selection optimized:
We've done some extensive optimizing of host selection / restrictions in the final version of the game thanks to all your feedback in the beta. Earlier in the beta we made sure to have no restrictions on who you could matchmake with, considering we only had a few thousands playing. As the beta grew and we let more people in, including from all over the world, some of you may have started to experience lag in servers where the host was in a separate country from yourself due to high pings. In the final game this won't be an issue, as we've included optimized host selection and restrictions when you search for games so that you will not be put in a lobby with a host that has a bad connection or ping. So you won't have to worry about logging into a laggy server and being at the mercy of the host simply because you live on the opposite side of the globe than them. The removal of laggy servers will inadvertently address lag related issues some of you have been reporting such as 'wonky' hit detection and others caused by it.

Map Exploits / Jumps:
Lots of reports have come in about being able to get on certain ledges or areas of the map not intended for players to get to. All of these have been addressed and kill switched in the final game. Therefore, any player attempting to exploit these spots in the final version of the game will instantly be killed. These include any place the player is given an unfair advantage over another player.

The N0M4D Control Scheme:
There was confusion in my last post when I spoke of the addition of the N0M4D control scheme, I want to clarify that this is an 'addition' not a replacement. The default controls will remain the same, and you will still have the various other control scheme options, this is just a new special control scheme that can be chose under options if you so choose. It will essentially be the Tactical control scheme with Toggle for the left trigger. Again, default controls are the same, this is just another choice.

Obviously there are a massive amount of other additions and changes we've made to the game based off the beta feedback, but I can't list them all here individually. Throughout the entire beta we've been making backend tweaks and changes to the matchmaking, network code, spawn logic and other essential aspects of multiplayer, so don't worry all of that is being optimized constantly and will continue to be optimized after launch if / as needed.

You beta testers have been instrumental in the perfecting of the multiplayer aspect of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and the help you've provided is really going to show come November 5th.

So the final question, Are We Gold Yet? I'll leave the final official word to any press releases Activision would like to send out, but lets just say, I've received a few congratulatory emails from both Sony of America for PS3 and Microsoft certification for the Xbox 360. What those emails say, as I said, I'll leave to the nicely worded press releases. All I'll say is thank you to everyone who played the beta, provided feedback, participated in the forums to let us know what you thought and suggestions and anyone else who helped us fine tune the game.
http://fourzerotwo.blogspot.com/2007/09/gold-like-your-moms-bridesmaid.html
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Update 9/19: Wolfe11 knows how to get ANYONE into the beta:

[quote name='Wolve11']Hey guys,

I just read up on the craziest way of getting a beta code, but it works! You have to follow the instructions below on how to do it because the entire website is in Swedish. The website still offers codes (I just got mine) and you almost get them immediately upon registering (and taking a few steps). Here are the instructions:

PART 1

after you reach the site go just beneath the logga in bar and click
click on bil medlem
this brings up the registration form
the first part is your user name for the site
then password followed by repeat pasword
then type a VALID email address
then enter your forename then second name
click on D.O.B and enter birthdate (best make sure your 18)
then go to the bottom and tick the last box
on the bottom right of the page is a button named skicka click this
then click the red link
PART 2
check your email after 5 minutes
click on your confirmation email link
when redirected type in your username you made
now go back to the logga in section
use the provided area to login
click on call of duty 4 on the top right of the page and if you don't see it here a shortcut to the page http://www.fz.se/beta/?id=2
scroll down and you will see a green box click this (it sends you a beta code)
wait on the site for 5 minutes(sometimes it takes 10 or 15 mins)
then click under your user name the text Hem(which means refreash)
you should then see flashing yellow text near where you clicked before. click this open the message you have been sent
BETA CODE!!!!
read my tips on how to use the site before you try you might be there for a while otherwise

heres the link: http://www.fz.se/

Let me know if you need help![/quote]



Update 9/8: More Beta Tokens to be given out:
A hundred thousand may seem like a lot of keys. But we expect them to go fast. After all, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare is one of the most highly anticipated games of the year.

So if you’re a registered GameSpot user who is also a Xbox Live Gold Member in North America over the age of 17, then come back on Monday, Sept 10th at 9:00 am PT to enter the beta test.

How it works is quite simple: Our big stockpile of tokens will be broken up into five stashes. Each day we will release one of those stashes. If you get a beta token, great. If you don’t, try again the next day. Once you sign up, you’ll get a token code and a confirmation email. You’ll use your Token Code to download the Beta from Xbox Live Marketplace.

Good luck!
http://www.gamespot.com/event/codes/call-of-duty-4/
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9/6: Level cap of Beta to be increased:

Hey Everyone –

Straight to the Point: The Level Cap Is Rising!

Friday morning at 10 am PDT (1 pm EST) we’re going to be increasing the Rank level cap to Level 16. This is going to allow you to rank up and unlock more weapons, more perks, and more features; including Clan Tags (lv. 12). This is the first of several level increases we’re going to do throughout the beta, so keep playing, and we’ll keep you informed of incoming updates. Thanks to everyone currently playing for the tremendous amount of feedback we’ve been receiving; Keep sending it, and we’ll see you online!

- Infinity Ward
I got this in an email today! Yay!


8/28: Everyone who signed up gets a code:

[quote name='Morpheus']Some good news for all of you waiting to get in the beta. I bolded the important news.
Beta Registration Has Ended... More Opportunities to Come!

24-Hour Beta Sign-up has officially ended. I've pulled the final list, and the first batch of tokens are going to start sending out immediately.

Before I let you in on the best part, I want to make it clear that tokens are going to be going out in waves, we're probably going to let in a little over 10,000 people a day to slowly ramp up to the full amount. So even if you are selected tonight, you may not get your token just yet. Be patient. Enough of the logistics, now on to the good part.

I told you that we'd take care of the community, and I'm happy to say we were able to live up to that promise. Everyone who signed up for a chance at the beta via the 24-hour Beta Sign-up, WILL be getting a token!

We're going to send out congrats emails to all of you eventually, but keep in mind (again) the tokens themselves will be in waves. So you might get it today, you might get it tomorrow, you might get it later than that. So be patient, I know everyone would love to be in the first wave, but keep in mind this is a beta TEST, and this is one way were testing our servers performance is by ramping up slowly and tracking how it effects the game, playlist downloads, matchmaking, etc. We're hoping to try and get them all out as quickly as possible, but just wanted to give you a heads up if you don't see a token immediately in your inbox.

As I said, everyone who completed the sign-up over the past 24 hour's will be getting a token, if for some reason you missed the 24 hour sign-up keep in mind we're going to have more chances to get tokens in the future (possibly another Charlie.com sign-up) as well as through Gamespot.com, and GameStop, not to mention International users have their very own exclusive tokens / sign-ups coming up.

Thanks again for all the support everyone, once you've all received your token, downloaded the beta, and are online stabbing me in the back on Vacant.... I'm sure it would have all been worth it.
http://www.fourzerotwo.com/[/quote]
 
I'm thinking freaking sweet... they've made enough WWII shooters to satisfy 99% of gamers appetites in that aspect of shooters...so modern warfare made by the makers of CoD games will definitely be good. Can't wait for this...I know if I had heard "Another WWII shooter"...I'd be like great more MP fun, but wouldn't be excited about experiencing anything new and interesting. Glad they aren't just playing it safe with their money on games they know they can sell...
 
[quote name='hootie']Ehh, even though WWII has been used a billion times, I'd still like to see CoD stay there.[/QUOTE]

They haven't even covered the Pacific conflict yet to my knowledge. I've been wanting to see what they would do with it.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']They haven't even covered the Pacific conflict yet to my knowledge. I've been wanting to see what they would do with it.[/quote]

Exactly, MoH: Pacific Assault (I think that's what it was called) was pretty fun, and different, I can't even imagine how well the CoD team could do for this theatre of war.
 
Would have been interesting to see how COD would have handled the Pacific but I still think it will be great to see how they handle modern combat with the complete change in setting and conflicts. Anyone have any ideas of what are going to center around?
 
[quote name='ighosty']Would have been interesting to see how COD would have handled the Pacific but I still think it will be great to see how they handle modern combat with the complete change in setting and conflicts. Anyone have any ideas of what are going to center around?[/QUOTE]

The Iraq war probably. -_-

I can't wait to see it laced with Propoganda! -_-
 
I would love to see them step away from WWII for a bit. Even if just for awhile as Im sure they are running out of ways to act out world war two.
 
[quote name='magiic']I would love to see them step away from WWII for a bit. Even if just for awhile as Im sure they are running out of ways to act out world war two.[/QUOTE]

Pacific Campaign! X-(
 
I don't want this. As many WWII shooters as we have, we definitely have enough modern day military shooters.

CoD should be WWII, period, now if I want WWII shooters I'll having nothing but the fucking MoH series, which sucks hard.

Well, I still have Brothers in Arms. So I suppose that will satisfy me.



And for anyone saying they've run out of ways to portray WWII, you are complete idiots. You could bring top-down strategy, which hasn't arrived on consoles, you could do a shooter from the Nazi perspective (which I'm fucking LIVID they haven't done yet), you could do the fucking PACIFIC campaign, for crying out loud (very underdone, and done poorly when attempted). You could do more in the Russian front, or more in the African front. You could also go story-heavy, which has only been done by BIA.

I also want a WWI shooter, very badly.
 
Can't wait to see the standard CoD gameplay palette-swapped with some minor gameplay differences and a modern-day setting that in a fit of extreme political correctness will refuse to acknowledge the actual modern-day war in Iraq and will most likely either avoid naming locales or will be set in a totally fictional one!

Maybe we can have a Caucasian, college-educated, red-blooded American madman as the mastermind enemy, if we're really lucky, too! It's bound to work for Live Free or Die Hard!!

EDIT: you could do a shooter from the Nazi perspective

Yeah, that's not going to happen, for...obvious reasons.

I also want a WWI shooter, very badly.

This, too, will not happen, for monetary reasons. Too 'niche' for the console market, unfortunately.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Can't wait to see the standard CoD gameplay palette-swapped with some minor gameplay differences and a modern-day setting that in a fit of extreme political correctness will refuse to acknowledge the actual modern-day war in Iraq and will most likely either avoid naming locales or will be set in a totally fictional one!

Maybe we can have a Caucasian, college-educated, red-blooded American madman as the mastermind enemy, if we're really lucky, too! It's bound to work for Live Free or Die Hard!!

EDIT: you could do a shooter from the Nazi perspective

Yeah, that's not going to happen, for...obvious reasons.

I also want a WWI shooter, very badly.

This, too, will not happen, for monetary reasons. Too 'niche' for the console market, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]QFTMFT.

My poor beloved industry. Oh how you fail me.
 
Men of Valor was one of the worst shooters to ever hit the xbox, I remember playing that game and hating every minute of it
 
fuck yaeh! Wahoo! As probably the biggest fan of this series on CAG all I can say is can't fucking wait. Poo poo on all the doubters, whiners, haters, etc. that have come out of CAG's woodwork. This is being made by Infinity Ward and this game will not suck and will be an extremely well made game. Mark my words, this game will rule.

Go Activision!
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Can't wait to see the standard CoD gameplay palette-swapped with some minor gameplay differences and a modern-day setting that in a fit of extreme political correctness will refuse to acknowledge the actual modern-day war in Iraq and will most likely either avoid naming locales or will be set in a totally fictional one!

Maybe we can have a Caucasian, college-educated, red-blooded American madman as the mastermind enemy, if we're really lucky, too! It's bound to work for Live Free or Die Hard!!

EDIT: you could do a shooter from the Nazi perspective

Yeah, that's not going to happen, for...obvious reasons.

I also want a WWI shooter, very badly.

This, too, will not happen, for monetary reasons. Too 'niche' for the console market, unfortunately.[/quote]

:bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::headache::headache::headache::headache::headache::headache::headache::headache::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

And a good shut the fuck up to you.
 
[quote name='ighosty']Men of Valor was one of the worst shooters to ever hit the xbox, I remember playing that game and hating every minute of it[/quote]

I rented this game and that was enough. Terrible game.

[quote name='Spades22']I'm thinking freaking sweet... they've made enough WWII shooters to satisfy 99% of gamers appetites in that aspect of shooters...so modern warfare made by the makers of CoD games will definitely be good. Can't wait for this...I know if I had heard "Another WWII shooter"...I'd be like great more MP fun, but wouldn't be excited about experiencing anything new and interesting. Glad they aren't just playing it safe with their money on games they know they can sell...[/quote]

I'm in the same boat as you. I would have probably bought the next CoD regardless because I'm attached to the series now, but this is just a great bonus. It reinvigorates interest int he series and is ultimately a great direction to have it take. I just want to see how they involve modern warfare on the MP side and to see if we'll have 24 players online or even more again. Think about it, using an AK from the enemy or sticking with the M249 or an M16 :drool: I can just envision the maps as well.
 
As long as Infinity Ward is involved, it should be awesome. Call of Duty 3 sucked, hard. It was horrible, not just eh it's okay horrible, I mean really bad. This coming from someone who enjoyed CoD2 enough to play through on normal and again on veteran.

I think that the Call of Duty kind of insanity and intense battles is something that hasn't really been done with modern warfare, and It'll be really interesting to see what they are able to make. I'm looking forward to it.
 
After COD3 I think the series is on life support but I'm not really a fan of this either. Battlefield 3 should have been like what Bad Company looks to be (well at least the setting) and COD should find it's own niche.
 
before they should have done modern combat, where the hell is the pacific campaign. My grandfather served in the pacific... i guess its just cooler to kill nazis. Even a vietnam game or world war I (I would really love a World War I game). Modern Combat-Gay. I see it on the news enough!!!
A big mistake there making.

PACIFIC CAMPAGIN, GOD DAMNNIT. WHY COULDNT THEY HAVE PACIFIC CAMPAIGN? DAMN U ACTIVISION, DAMN U
 
[quote name='Sarang01']They haven't even covered the Pacific conflict yet to my knowledge. I've been wanting to see what they would do with it.[/quote]
[quote name='ighosty']Would have been interesting to see how COD would have handled the Pacific but I still think it will be great to see how they handle modern combat with the complete change in setting and conflicts. Anyone have any ideas of what are going to center around?[/quote]
Rumor has it is that the second team is basically working on tweaking the physics/graphics engine and setting up CoD5 as he pacific conflict of WWII. It's either that or they are going to finish up the European side of things as all the CoDs have been a progress story, but all indications point to 5 being Pacific with 6 maybe wrapping up the European front.

[quote name='PyroGamer']I don't want this. As many WWII shooters as we have, we definitely have enough modern day military shooters.

CoD should be WWII, period, now if I want WWII shooters I'll having nothing but the fucking MoH series, which sucks hard.

Well, I still have Brothers in Arms. So I suppose that will satisfy me.

[/quote]
Umm....no. CoD can go modern if it wants, especially if IW is working on it.

And for anyone saying they've run out of ways to portray WWII, you are complete idiots. You could bring top-down strategy, which hasn't arrived on consoles, you could do a shooter from the Nazi perspective (which I'm fucking LIVID they haven't done yet)
I'm going to start here with the disection and my scalpel as this is some bullshit that needs to be highlighted. First of all you start off by calling everyone idiots, which is never a good way to open up and start a debate/discussion (etiquette 101). Next, if you don't think that FPS WWII aren't worn out yet, then top down RTS WWII games are definitely worn out and on life support. But the worst move you do in this part of your post is to suggest a WWII shooter from the perspectives of the Nazis? You're an absolute imbecile to even mention those words. First of all Activision would never do it, no I take that back, no fucking company in their right mine would do that. It would be financial sepoku. It simply would send stock prices plummeting or a company out of business. I can already imagine the uproar and controversy that would surround that game. Shit, I would be one of the protesters against the game and on the side of Jack Thompson in that case. I can just see the game now, you playing as the Nazi escorting Jews to the death camps and fighting against the resistance (be it French, Jews, whomever). fucking brilliant! That'll definitely sell thousands of copies.......with the National alliance, KKK, and the aryan brotherhood.

you could do the fucking PACIFIC campaign, for crying out loud (very underdone, and done poorly when attempted). You could do more in the Russian front, or more in the African front. You could also go story-heavy, which has only been done by BIA.
Err...you do know that most of the CoDs are interconnected loosely and are story based? And like I've said, rumor has it is that one of the two teams that work on CoD are right now working on either finishing the European front or delving into the Pacific campaign. Too much WWII makes a series stagnate and get boring after awhile. I applaud the direction they are taking with this move.
 
[quote name='sonicfreak5']before they should have done modern combat, where the hell is the pacific campaign. My grandfather served in the pacific... i guess its just cooler to kill nazis. Even a vietnam game or world war I (I would really love a World War I game). Modern Combat-Gay. I see it on the news enough!!!
A big mistake there making.

PACIFIC CAMPAGIN, GOD DAMNNIT. WHY COULDNT THEY HAVE PACIFIC CAMPAIGN? DAMN U ACTIVISION, DAMN U[/quote]

Read my other posts. I'm actually a bit tired of WWII and it's not good for a series to get too attached to something. The rumor for 4 is that it's either Vietnam or Iraq, with it more likely leaning towards Vietnam.
 
[quote name='jer7583']As long as Infinity Ward is involved, it should be awesome. Call of Duty 3 sucked, hard. It was horrible, not just eh it's okay horrible, I mean really bad. This coming from someone who enjoyed CoD2 enough to play through on normal and again on veteran.
[/quote]

What didn't you like about 3 that it sucked, hard and not just horrible, but really bad? It wasn't upto 2's standards, but it was still a very good game. It would be difficult for any company to really meet expectations after a game like CoD2. I sort of look as CoD3 as the KOTOR 2 of the CoD franchise. And online, CoD3 was awesome. Absolutely fantastic (they had to get rid of some of the bugs first, but other than that the game really shines on the MP side of things).
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Read my other posts. I'm actually a bit tired of WWII and it's not good for a series to get too attached to something. The rumor for 4 is that it's either Vietnam or Iraq, with it more likely leaning towards Vietnam.[/quote]

Didn't Battlfield get a shitload of criticism for doing Vietnam? For whatever reason people are still touchy about that one...
 
[quote name='graf1k']Didn't Battlfield get a shitload of criticism for doing Vietnam? For whatever reason people are still touchy about that one...[/quote]

Yeah, but they did it crappily. Also, it could just be referrencing Vietnam.
 
Instead of just WWII and others here's an idea, Why not do something the opposite of what is expected? Let you command Hannibal and crush the Romans or the Kushites putting a spear into an Egyptian? Hand to hand or weapon to weapon in FPS hasn't been done enough and only three companies have really done it extensively so as to make it a focus of the main game, those being "Breakdown", "Maken X" and "Chronicles Of Riddick". Also doing it well.
edit: No thanks on an Iraq game. I don't want to play a White Trash Redneck Hick who refers to Iraqi's as "Ragheads" and other derogatory terms. I'm not saying all in the army are like that but I don't like that kind of ignorant attitude that is being fostered there.
 
You know, I'm also a huge fan of CoD games, probably one of the games I've spent most time with and I'd say I'm one of the bigger fans here too like hiccuple... I think that people who play the game casually or don't invest an exhausting amount of time in the games prefer the WWII theme from what it looks like and the bigger fans are interested in what they can do in a different time period cause they know CoD developers will make it great, and they're tired of playing multiple games of overall similar gameplay/predictable gameplay...
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Instead of just WWII and others here's an idea, Why not do something the opposite of what is expected? Let you command Hannibal and crush the Romans or the Kushites putting a spear into an Egyptian? Hand to hand or weapon to weapon in FPS hasn't been done enough and only three companies have really done it extensively so as to make it a focus of the main game, those being "Breakdown", "Maken X" and "Chronicles Of Riddick". Also doing it well.
edit: No thanks on an Iraq game. I don't want to play a White Trash Redneck Hick who refers to Iraqi's as "Ragheads" and other derogatory terms. I'm not saying all in the army are like that but I don't like that kind of ignorant attitude that is being fostered there.[/quote]

Err..why is everyone so quick to discount this game if it's in Iraq. You guys do remmeber history and the first Gulf/Iraq War right? It could be that war or one loosely based or made up taking place in the region. nobody seems to mind going into South America and shooting up some Mexicans or Latin Americans in the GRAW games.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Pacific Campaign! X-([/quote]

thats a really good idea
top down strategy (assuming you are suggesting RTS) should NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be done on a console.
 
instead of going forward, couldnt they go further back, like civil war, War for Independence, or US v Native Americans. It would be interesting to see old school weapons and environments
 
Mission 1: Secure the Oil wells

Mission 2: Avoid friendly fire

Mission 3: Recieve fire, but not allowed to fire back, watch friends die.

Mission 4: Eat alot of food, get overweight, honorable discharge

Mission 5: Get a job with Blackwater

Mission 6: Carry out torture in Abu Ghraib

Yep... so far, a game in modern day Iraq sounds fun...:drool:

Call of Duty 4: Democracide
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']instead of going forward, couldnt they go further back, like civil war, War for Independence, or US v Native Americans. It would be interesting to see old school weapons and environments[/quote]

You're right, Revolutionary War with active reload.
 
I hope they base it on an actual war rather then fictional one's like GRAW as an example. Vietnam, Desert Storm, IDK something based on actual events, and make it awesome as hell.
 
[quote name='level1online']Mission 1: Secure the Oil wells

Mission 2: Avoid friendly fire

Mission 3: Recieve fire, but not allowed to fire back, watch friends die.

Mission 4: Eat alot of food, get overweight, honorable discharge

Mission 5: Get a job with Blackwater

Mission 6: Carry out torture in Abu Ghraib

Yep... so far, a game in modern day Iraq sounds fun...:drool:

Call of Duty 4: Democracide[/quote]

You're an idiot. I don't support or agree with this war, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make such eggregious and erroneous comments.

Please people, don't make this thread something that belongs in the fucking vs/politics/debate controversy forum. Let's stick to the game and leave the political commentary, or lack thereof, for the other forum.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']You're right, Revolutionary War with active reload.[/QUOTE]
you dont want to mess with active reloaded canon balls
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']You're an idiot. I don't support or agree with this war, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make such eggregious and erroneous comments.

Please people, don't make this thread something that belongs in the fucking vs/politics/debate controversy forum. Let's stick to the game and leave the political commentary, or lack thereof, for the other forum.[/quote]

nope, i'm not... it was a joke, obviously you didnt get it. :bouncy:

check out the documentary Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers

after that I'd recommend Loose Change 2nd Edition, Terror Storm, and Walmart: The High Cost of Low Prices

check them out on Google Video or Youtube

read some articles at Infowars.net

whether you like it or not, everything you do in your everyday life has to do with politics; what you eat, where you buy, etc.

Have a Nice Day :cool:
 
Anyways, Call of Duty 4...

I'd love for them to throw in a Create - A - Character/Team function

My team of four people would be: Chuck Norris (for obvious reasons), then Billy Blanks, then Don "The Dragon" Wilson, and then Cynthia Rothrock
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I can just see the game now, you playing as the Nazi escorting Jews to the death camps and fighting against the resistance (be it French, Jews, whomever). fucking brilliant! That'll definitely sell thousands of copies.......with the National alliance, KKK, and the aryan brotherhood.[/quote]Wow. Because every single soldier in the wehrmacht -- scratch that -- the entire population of Germany, was all for the holocaust. Not a single one questioned it, and every single german in the entire country's population volunteered to lead the jews into the ovens.

In fact, you know that Operation T4 that Hitler kept secret to avoid massive public outcry? -- well it's all a lie. Hitler was very open about everything he did, and all of Germany knowingly supported every action the SS participated in.


Yeah, you can't do a respectful story based videogame from the german perspective.

German perspective of WWII is totally not a goldmine for character based introspectives on blind patriotism, subverting one's morals, the destruction of war, and character studies that have the potential to be the greatest ever created.

Everything about a German's perspective on WWII is both amazingly underused and overflowing with potential. Racial and political tension, poverty and patriotism, personal morals and the firm hand of the authorities.

Imagine what mental and emotional destruction would have to take place for a german soldier. Propoganda and brainwashing, watching your commanding officer execute a family of Jews? Being asked to do it yourself? Watching as everyone around you beat the pink triangles to the edge of their life? And then leading women and children into gas chambers? Can you imagine the emotional struggle that a simple german soldier would face? Do you realize how important it is to remember those who did not agree with what was going on, but what little they could do about it.

The only problem is this sort of story would be best handled (at least in its early versions) by an extremely talented screenwriter, director, and team of actors.

Err...you do know that most of the CoDs are interconnected loosely and are story based?
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[quote name='magiic']thats a really good idea
top down strategy (assuming you are suggesting RTS) should NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be done on a console.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking more of a Full Spectrum Warrior/Ghost Recon, maybe a little lower with more of an angle. A short of "over the shoulder and above" look. 45° on the action.
 
[quote name='level1online']after that I'd recommend Loose Change 2nd Edition,[/QUOTE]
:whistle2:|

You have got to be kidding. Even the fucking jackass who made that mockumentary admitted it was a hoax to make money. You need to die.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Wow. Because every single soldier in the wehrmacht -- scratch that -- the entire population of Germany, was all for the holocaust. Not a single one questioned it, and every single german in the entire country's population volunteered to lead the jews into the ovens.

In fact, you know that Operation T4 that Hitler kept secret to avoid massive public outcry? -- well it's all a lie. Hitler was very open about everything he did, and all of Germany knowingly supported every action the SS participated in.


Yeah, you can't do a respectful story based videogame from the german perspective.

German perspective of WWII is totally not a goldmine for character based introspectives on blind patriotism, subverting one's morals, the destruction of war, and character studies that have the potential to be the greatest ever created.

Everything about a German's perspective on WWII is both amazingly underused and overflowing with potential. Racial and political tension, poverty and patriotism, personal morals and the firm hand of the authorities.

Imagine what mental and emotional destruction would have to take place for a german soldier. Propoganda and brainwashing, watching your commanding officer execute a family of Jews? Being asked to do it yourself? Watching as everyone around you beat the pink triangles to the edge of their life? And then leading women and children into gas chambers? Can you imagine the emotional struggle that a simple german soldier would face? Do you realize how important it is to remember those who did not agree with what was going on, but what little they could do about it.[/QUOTE]


they didnt have a problem taking their houses, jewelry, businesses, and other worldly possessions when the Jews magically disappeared.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']they didnt have a problem taking their houses, jewelry, businesses, and other worldly possessions when the Jews magically disappeared.[/QUOTE]Yep. Not one of them hid Jews in their basement or protected them a-la Schindler's List. Every single German was a scumbag who deserved to die. In fact, let's just wipe out Germany completely right now because they are all Nazi bastards.

Pathetic.
 
[quote name='level1online']nope, i'm not... it was a joke, obviously you didnt get it. :bouncy:

check out the documentary Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers

after that I'd recommend Loose Change 2nd Edition, Terror Storm, and Walmart: The High Cost of Low Prices

check them out on Google Video or Youtube

read some articles at Infowars.net

whether you like it or not, everything you do in your everyday life has to do with politics; what you eat, where you buy, etc.

Have a Nice Day :cool:[/quote]

Please, don't recommend me any movies. What you just said is laughable. Good job chastising our military. our government may be stupid, etc. etc. and bush an idiot, etc. etc., but that doesn't mean you should deride the military as you did. Trust me, I know plenty of soldiers that didn't want to go over there, but simply had no choice because they understand the responsibility and the decision the made when they signed up. Yaeh, they all do/did torture:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll: Like I said, all you did was post some ignorant asinine comments. You're probably too young to even vote.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Yeah, but they did it crappily. Also, it could just be referrencing Vietnam.[/QUOTE]

Did you ever play Vietnam or are you just talking out your ass? Vietnam is a great game and did a nice job with the setting and the gameplay is quite fun. I am not saying that it was perfect, but it was still really fun from what all I played.
 
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