Stu Hart's wrestling topic

Say hello to one of the most influential figures in wrestling history

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Stu Hart is, of course, best known as the father of Bret, and Owen, as well as 10 other children. He was a wrestler at one point, but later became a promoter and one of the most famous trainers ever. Talent such as Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Christian and Lance Storm are all products of Stu Hart's "dungeon". So, let's take a moment to remember one of the greats, Stu Hart.

You can revisit Sting by clicking his name.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Back to my question, did HHH appear on Raw tonight?[/QUOTE]

He started it out. Spoiler:













He left after a confrontation with Batista at the opening. He told Batista he would pack up and leave if he wanted him to. Flair tried to stop him, but he wouldn't listen. Too bad he will find a way to return...:roll:






End of spoiler.
 
Matt Hardy Was Going To Marry Lita; Threatened Edge; More
By Ryan Clark

05/08/2005 - From mikemooneyham.com

Valentine's Day was supposed to have been a special time for Matt Hardy.

Recovering from knee surgery, he was enjoying being away from the wrestling industry. For the first time in his life, he says he was able to breathe.

"It was so nice. It was something I wasn't used to."

More importantly, he had been looking at engagement rings during his time off, and was considering the real possibility of proposing marriage to longtime sweetheart Amy "Lita" Dumas.

Hardy was even preparing to have his large back yard fenced in. He could envision a bunch of dogs and kids frolicking in that yard. He thought he and Amy would complete the perfect picture of a happy, normal couple who just happened to have not-so-normal jobs.

"When Amy would come home those first few months, we'd hang out and do things together. It was very cool."

It was, indeed, a welcome change of pace from the grueling road schedule the couple maintained in the wrestling business. They had known one another for six years, and it had gotten serious the past four. The injury break had afforded Hardy the opportunity to literally stop and smell the roses.

"For those first couple of years, we casually dated and went out. But as time went on, and especially after we started living together, we sort of organically grew closer together and fell into love. It just felt natural."

Hardy thought it was time to make their commitment an even longer-term arrangement, and planned on popping the question to the WWE diva on the most sentimental of holidays.

"I started looking at rings after the first of the year. I was thinking about seeing if maybe Amy wanted to get married. It was going to be great. It was something we had discussed before, and I thought the time had finally come."

Hardy's voice trails off as he wistfully ponders his next thought.

"Then all of this happened."

What followed was something far different than anything Hardy could have even contemplated. In the ensuing weeks, not only would he be fired from his dream job with World Wrestling Entertainment, his dream relationship would go up in flames as well.

"This has definitely been the hardest period in my life," the 30-year-old wrestler said last week, still smarting from a course of events that has left him wondering exactly what went wrong.

The nightmare began when Hardy discovered that the woman he loved was having an affair with one of his closest friends in the wrestling business. Amy and Adam "Edge" Copeland had been traveling together while Hardy was back home recovering. He didn't have a problem with the travel arrangements, feeling that his friend was as good a candidate as any to watch over his girlfriend.

According to Hardy, he had no clue of the deception until Lisa Ortiz Copeland, Adam's wife of just several months, discovered some strange text messages between the two on her husband's phone and confronted Hardy with her suspicions.

Dumas had no choice but to admit the relationship after Hardy intercepted a series of telling messages from Copeland on a cell phone she had hidden from her live-in companion. Stunned and angry, Hardy asked her to leave his North Carolina home.

Once word of the wrestling love triangle surfaced on the Internet, Hardy says he felt he had to address the situation and comment publicly. He called Copeland and told him he was going to slap him across the face when he saw him.

"I talked to him a few days after that, but it came to a point where that was it. I had nothing else to say to him." Despite the crushing blow to Hardy's personal plans, he still had a job waiting for him with WWE. Or so he thought.

Nearly fully recovered from surgery last August to repair a torn ACL, Hardy was poised to return to the ring shortly before Wrestlemania 21. He looked forward to coming back with a renewed vigor, some new moves in his mat arsenal and his own creative ideas for a character change. He assured officials he could co-exist in the locker room with Dumas and Copeland. If WWE officials had any reservations, he was willing to be sent over to the Smackdown roster in the upcoming draft lottery.

WWE, however, had other plans for Hardy. Talent chief John Laurinaitis notified him that the company was looking at new talent and wouldn't be renewing his contract. In one fell swoop, he says, his dream girl and dream job seemed to all vanish in thin air.

Hardy didn't buy for a minute that the company was looking at new talent. He knew he was the odd man out and the most expendable of the three. While he was told his release wasn't connected to the domestic situation, he firmly believes it was politically motivated. He adds that his relationship with Laurinaitis hadn't been particularly smooth.

"We haven't been the closest of friends ... This obviously was the easy way out. But it was very bad business."

WWE found out quickly that it was very bad business. Hardy's poorly handled release prompted an outpouring of support for the Cameron, N.C., resident, including a petition with more than 20,000 signatures, along with growing anti-Edge and Lita sentiment at the arenas and even inside the locker room. The two were lustily booed at venues from New York to London, with WWE officials scratching their heads and wondering what to do about the situation.

Hardy contends the company should have been more concerned at the onset instead of going for the quick fix and releasing him. He says he is disappointed that WWE didn't handle the situation in a more expeditious, forceful and fairer manner. With company officials fearing a potentially explosive situation backstage, Hardy was advised to stay away from the arenas.

"I'm not saying they condoned it (the relationship), but they didn't say don't do it. For me, who was sitting at home, to be asked not to come to the house shows and to be kept out of the loop, was driving me crazy. If they would have sat the three of us down and talked about it - this is what we want, this is what we don't want and this is the situation - that would have been different. Instead they let things go on as they did and didn't do anything about it. If you don't address the situation, it just doesn't go away."

Hardy considered himself a model employee who had always gotten along with his colleagues and his employer.

"I'm a guy who's pretty respected. I've always gotten along pretty well with people. I've never had any problem with WWE. I've always done whatever they've asked me to do. But they chose to shut me out. "I wish JR (Jim Ross) would have been involved in the situation. JR is the one who brought Jeff and me in originally, and I loved JR. I have nothing but good things to say about him. Vince (McMahon) also has been really been good to me all of these years."

Time heals all wounds, but Hardy says the events of the past few months may take a while to get over. He says he can forgive Amy, who has apologized, but can't find it in him to have much mercy for Copeland.

"I had considered Adam one of my closest friends - the kind of friend you could trust your life with. It seems like he very much had an agenda going into it. I think there were things he did to lead Amy on and to get inside her head. Adam was leaving messages telling Amy he loved her, that if she stayed with me, he wouldn't be able to sleep at night. He was trying to put a guilt trip on her."

Hardy says he still has a hard time believing that Copeland, whose wedding he and Amy attended last October in Tampa, could betray a friend. Matt and brother Jeff were involved in one of WWE's most memorable tag-team programs with Edge and Christian (Jay Reso) during the height of the company's "Attitude" era. That series included a 2000 triangle ladder match also involving The Dudleys that was hailed as one of the greatest matches in Wrestlemania history, along with another ladder match at the 1999 No Mercy pay-per-view and several innovative TLC bouts that put both teams on the map.

"It's just a tough situation," laments Hardy. "Not only on a personal level but a professional level. Amy and I were a professional couple on TV. Christian has known Adam all his life, and he told him what he did was just wrong. It sickened him. Your true friends will tell you what they believe is true."

Hardy believes his ex-girlfriend simply got in over her head and didn't know how to get out of it.

"Amy's been very apologetic and remorseful. She knows she did wrong and she's been trying to correct things in some ways. Adam has not shown any remorse or offered any apologies."

Hardy says Copeland even accused him of slashing his tires at a recent house show.

"Without even being asked about it, I was specifically blamed," says Hardy. "There have been other things as well." Hardy believed he was immune to the sobering pro wrestling reality that most couples do not survive the rigors and temptations of the business.

"I definitely thought I was immune from it, but it came from someone who was supposed to be one of my closest friends in wrestling. Adam and I had built our careers off one another in the formative stages. Everybody there were tight friends. A good person just doesn't do stuff like that. That's just the bottom line.

"I would have loved for Adam to have been honest and come up to me and admit he made a terrible mistake, that he did things he shouldn't have done, and that he was going to stop and let me try to get my relationship together. But that just wasn't the case."

Hardy says Copeland's estranged wife is ready to move on her with her life as well.

"I think Lisa's depleted after expending all her energy and emotion on this. Right now I think she's saddling up for a real nasty divorce. She just wants to get through that and move on with her life because she has been so mentally tortured."

As for Amy and Adam, Hardy says that relationship appears to be short-lived.

"They're not boyfriend and girlfriend by any stretch of the imagination. Amy is just trying to find within herself what she needs to be. I think Adam has issues. I don't think he knows what love is."

Hardy and Dumas still speak occasionally. Things are different now, but he admits there are still feelings.

"Love isn't a switch you can turn on and off," he says. "You just can't get rid of it, regardless of the circumstances, if you truly love someone. It's just a real awkward situation."

Hardy also won't rule out an eventual reconciliation. Borrowing an old wrestling line, he says, "Never say never."

Despite making some bad decisions early on, says Hardy, he's making more logical ones now, trying to use his head more than his heart. He's lost two of the most important things in his life, but he's far from giving up.

"I have to pick up the pieces and move on. I have to get back to being Matt Hardy."

Hardy, whose non-compete clause with WWE expires July 10, says he has been overwhelmed by offers to work dates for other promotions.

"I guess the most natural thing to do would be to do some stuff with TNA. (Brother) Jeff's down there. I think Ring of Honor has a cool little niche in the business, and I might do some stuff with them. It's not like I'm not going to be busy."

Hardy says he'd also be interested in working in a creative capacity with TNA. "I'd like to be the guy to help contribute day-to-day ideas and to work with the younger guys. There are a ton of things that I've learned over the years. It's not just about Matt Hardy. I'm one of those people who want to give back and see other people do better. I'd like my legacy to be remembered as a guy who was more about giving back to the business than being selfish about the business."

Hardy says he has received thousands of e-mails from fans who have been in similar positions and are empathetic to his plight.

"It's amazing how many people have rallied behind me. I know everyone likes to discredit the Internet wrestling fans, but it was refreshing to have so many fans rally around me, regardless of it being right or wrong. It was an emotional situation, and their support was very flattering. It wasn't about Matt Hardy the performer. They sympathized with Matt Hardy the person. To me, that's on a different level. It's beyond fan support - it really shows their support for the human being."


WOW.

And...

ESSA RIOS AND JUVY MIGHT COME TO THE WWE!

There are strong rumors right now that WWE will be signing both Essa Rios and Juventud Guerrera. With the recent signing of Psicosis, there is a strong chance that both will be signed by WWE, but nothing has been confirmed. There is speculation that the influx of lucha stars could be connected to the Eddie Guerrero-Rey Mysterio feud.
 
Wow, after reading that I dislike Edge even more. Edge is just a scumfuck of a human being, that's all it comes down to. Anyway, I think we all hate Edge, so moving along...

seems like WWE is gonna give the cruiser division another try. I'd love to see all those guys, Juvi, Essa Rios and Psychosis on tv. I also think Tajiri needs to be moved over and into the cruiserweight division due to his in-ring style. This could be really fun to watch. Maybe get some of those 3-on-3+ cruiser tag matches that wcw was notorious for. I loved those matches, they were just full of high spots, I never wanted to turn my head, or more importantly the channel for a moment.

Back to Matt, was it just me, or did it seem like Matt was blaming Lauranaitis and not Vince McMahon for h is release? I'd assume Vinnie Mac makes the final call, but it'd be interesting to know what really went down. My guess is Matt is just trying to not burn bridges with McMahon, in case somewhere down the line the WWE hires him back. The only way I see that happening is if Jeff goes back too, since I'm sure WWE would love to have him back. If Jeff is clean that is.

Oh, and is Edge's soon to be ex Lisa Ortiz, of any relation to Tito Ortiz? That'd be hilarious if Tito beat an apology out of Edge.
 
I think the majority of people intensely dislike Lauranitis compared to Vince. There's some kind of heirarchy you need to deal with in corporate, perhaps. Lauranitis fires you because Vince doesn't have to do anything himself (but we assume he makes the final call).

Lauranitis also thinks we need more people like Chris Masters.

Given how much Vince hated Ultimo Dragon, the new cruiser focus is dead in the water; he apparently hates the "softer" contact style that many cruiserweights employ (go watch any given CMLL match to see what I mean; lighter strikes, more acrobatic, etc). Vince does not like CW wrestling, and I doubt he'll ever give it a chance to succeed. Hell, he'll probably bring back Mini Vader and Mini Mankind to kill the whole thing.
myke.
 
"Wrestling with Criticism: The World Wrestling Federation's Ironic Campaign against the Parents Television Council"

"Modern Gladiators: A Content Analysis of Televised Wrestling"

"Experiments in Pro Wrestling: Toward a Performative and Sensuous Sport Ethnography"

"Lean Mean Fighting Queens: Drag in the World of Mexican Professional Wrestling"

These are titles of works from reputable academic journals (mostly sociology of sport); I've found my niche!

myke.
 
I think everyone is burnt out. I know I am after playing a ton of Wrestlemania. I could watch a little Raw last night, but I mainly watched 24 and then switched to the game after the Pistons game was over
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I think everyone is burnt out. I know I am after playing a ton of Wrestlemania. I could watch a little Raw last night, but I mainly watched 24 and then switched to the game after the Pistons game was over[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah, but the Piston's game was all but over at the start of the second half.
:lol:
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Well, yeah, but the Piston's game was all but over at the start of the second half.
:lol:[/QUOTE]

I have no real desire to watch that series. I am burnt after the first round. I will probably only stick to the Mavs series this time around, and then watch both conference finals
 
My primary drive bit the dust, i've been reinstalling Windows all afternoon.. thank god my 24 and Scrubs on my secondary remain unharmed
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I'm going to miss Mr. Aguila (Essa Rios) coming out to the DX theme song for weekend morning lucha libre matches on Galavision.[/QUOTE]


no way got any video of that?
 
My friends told me the game had a glitch of some sort... is the game just that bad, or does it really have a problem? I remember how the No Mercy glitch ruined the game for me.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']My friends told me the game had a glitch of some sort... is the game just that bad, or does it really have a problem? I remember how the No Mercy glitch ruined the game for me.[/QUOTE]

That pissed me off when I lost everything. Stupid glitch.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']No, don't do it Guyver! Step away with the malfunctioning discs!!![/QUOTE]

The PPV, not the game.
 
[quote name='Scorch']The PPV, not the game.[/QUOTE]
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...



What was the glitch for No Mercy? And Morbid, no pic shows up. Host it and then post it.
 
[quote name='MorbidAngel4Life']
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Anyone know who that is?[/QUOTE]

Well, the picture is long gone, but based off the jpg name, it's Muhammad Hassan. How unlike-Hassan did he look in the picture?

myke.
 
Not much interesting about RAW last night, just your predictable Edge and Kane wins in the Gold Rush tournament. They also had a backstage segment where Lita was a little bit shaky in being Kane's wife, setting up next week's heel turn, maybe?

HHH pulled his tried and crappy "I'm tired of all of you! See how much you'll miss me when I'm gone!" abandonment thing. Even more shockingly he did not come back at the end of the show, but there was no Batista match anyway.

Oh yeah, it looks like they're gonna break up La Resistance. Good riddance. "I've been carrying your ass for the last year!" -- Rob Conway. Ouch. Both guys lost singles matches to Viscera and Benjamin (Conway the latter).

For some weird reason they had Tomko lose quick and dirty to Flair, but it was worth it for more backstage interactions between Flair and Christian. I don't know about you guys but I think they've been pretty hilarious.

Oh yeah, and the entire "I love to molest women and I'm a face!" thing continues to piss me off. See: Viscera and Kane (kind of).
 
[quote name='SevereTireDamage']Not much interesting about RAW last night, just your predictable Edge and Kane wins in the Gold Rush tournament. They also had a backstage segment where Lita was a little bit shaky in being Kane's wife, setting up next week's heel turn, maybe?[/QUOTE]
Lita is a heel but just not officially yet, it's hard for her to get a face reaction in front of a live crowd now. If they team her up with Edge, that would be the ultimate FU to Matt. At the same time, she'll have no problem getting the crowd against her.
 
Where's the post where I claimed that "You Screwed Matt!" will make Edge the next Shawn Michaels in terms of heeldom? I want someone to say "You were right, kind sir!"

dammit.

myke.
...I guess Snitsky's gone (not that I give a shit).
 
They let go of Snitsky eh? Well, I'm sure whatever reason he got fired for... it wasn't his fault! HA, where do I come up with them?

[quote name='MorPhiend']Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

What was the glitch for No Mercy? And Morbid, no pic shows up. Host it and then post it.[/QUOTE]

The "No Mercy glitch" was this mild oversite by THQ and AKI, in which apparently no one tested the game to see if it would periodically reset the memory of the battery. Well needless to say this could be triggered (at random) through a variety of ways. Usually it involved CAWs in matches, or trying to win belts, but sometimes just wrestling for a belt was enough, other times it was a cage match that set it off. Whatever the cause, it pissed me off to no end, I loved playing the game, but then all of a sudden WHAM! the memory was gone. My CAWs were safely protected on memory cards, but it was still a major inconvenience, updating the wrestlers and winning the belts again. I heard you could send your game back in and get a "fixed" copy, but by the time I found out about that I just didn't care since I was going away to college.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Where's the post where I claimed that "You Screwed Matt!" will make Edge the next Shawn Michaels in terms of heeldom? I want someone to say "You were right, kind sir!"

dammit.

myke.
...I guess Snitsky's gone (not that I give a shit).[/QUOTE]


wtf...where is snitzky!!
 
Luther Reigns released Luther Reigns has been released from World Wrestling Entertainment. WWE wishes him the best in his future endeavors.


c/o wwe.com's front page.


Ah well. I won't miss him, but he had his (few) supporters.
 
[quote name='SevereTireDamage']Luther Reigns released Luther Reigns has been released from World Wrestling Entertainment. WWE wishes him the best in his future endeavors.


c/o wwe.com's front page.


Ah well. I won't miss him, but he had his (few) supporters.[/QUOTE]

I thought Luther was pretty good. He was big and could talk, and had a legit finisher.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Where's the post where I claimed that "You Screwed Matt!" will make Edge the next Shawn Michaels in terms of heeldom? I want someone to say "You were right, kind sir!"

myke.[/QUOTE]

Here you go, bro:

[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='Zenithian Legend']I doubt anyone in the locker room is pleased with Hardy's release, outside of Edge and Lita. I wonder how this will ultimately effect Edge's career. WWE has been very high on him since his return, so it's hard to see this hurting him; however, his image will be forever tarnished in the eyes of the fans, and I'm sure he can expect "you screwed Matt" chants for the rest of his career.[/QUOTE]



I think you're right. However, consider what The Montreal Screwjob has done for Shawn Michaels. In the end, this scenario may help make Edge the kind of heel he seems incapable of presenting himself as on TV. With that in mind, Vince made the right (business) choice in keeping Edge over Hardy.

While I doubt many were pleased, all of them are spineless fuckers for working for what they do while the business end of the company (the McMahons) pay themselves millions as performers, millions as corporate, and millions in quarterly dividends. If they are too weak to try to form a union, then they certainly won't say anything about Hardy getting the boot.

Look for Jericho to not resign at the end of this year. If he does, he's easily the dumbest man on the WWE roster.

I thought about the saying WWE has, that they give everybody the opportunity to get over, and what they do with it matters more. How does this work for guys like Simon Dean? Muhammad Hassan? The Heart Throbs?

myke.[/QUOTE]

You definitely were right.;)




(link - Ask and ye shall receive. Kurt's Topic, that has been awhile.)


BTW, why would Jericho resign? Just because his contract is running out and they haven't used him forever or something?
 
Hey now! Thanks morphiend!

I spoke too soon; I haven't seen hide nor hair of Gene Snitsky since...well, the Wrestlemania "Taxi Driver" promo. Methinks it will become official soon, but I was just speculating - I dunno if he's gone.

Lance Cade, on the other hand, needs to go *now*, not because he sucks, but because he's pissed me off by being needlessly placed into both DoR AND WM21. What the hell, THQ?

myke.
...oh, I really wanted to buy DoR, but since Lance Cade's not in it, I'll save my money for "Corey Feldman and Corey Haim's Sweet 16: License to Drive" for GC instead. EDIT for *sarcasm*: sorry guyver, I own and love DoR; I just hate Lance Cade.
 
Oh, yes: Chris Jericho. He doesn't give a shit about wrestling anymore, and it shows. I don't blame him at all, though; with his radio show and hid band, why focus so heavily on something that makes you more and more irrelevant by the week?

Here's a question: how many weeks of Raw do you think you could watch before you noticed Jericho wasn't there? I could probably go four or five, because he's so meaningless in the WWE heirarchy (on TV, I mean).

His last major title run (well, to argue, it's the only title that means shit anymore, although Benjamin's rising star could greatly help the dead IC title) centered around HHH and Steph; Jericho was simulatenously the undisputed world champion, and an afterthought in a Wrestlemania storyline. Since then, the only incredible match I can recall him having was with Shawn Michaels at WM XIX. There may have been others, but the storylines must have meant nothing; other storylines were intriguing (Y2J/Trish/Christian), but the matches kinda bland.

Jericho had the biggest hype coming into WWF from WCW; the irony is that the people thought "Awesome! Now we'll finally get to see all his talent, since the political structure of WCW didn't let him do much of anything!"

myke.
...I was one of those foolish people.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, yes: Chris Jericho. He doesn't give a shit about wrestling anymore, and it shows. I don't blame him at all, though; with his radio show and hid band, why focus so heavily on something that makes you more and more irrelevant by the week?

Here's a question: how many weeks of Raw do you think you could watch before you noticed Jericho wasn't there? I could probably go four or five, because he's so meaningless in the WWE heirarchy (on TV, I mean).

His last major title run (well, to argue, it's the only title that means shit anymore, although Benjamin's rising star could greatly help the dead IC title) centered around HHH and Steph; Jericho was simulatenously the undisputed world champion, and an afterthought in a Wrestlemania storyline. Since then, the only incredible match I can recall him having was with Shawn Michaels at WM XIX. There may have been others, but the storylines must have meant nothing; other storylines were intriguing (Y2J/Trish/Christian), but the matches kinda bland.

Jericho had the biggest hype coming into WWF from WCW; the irony is that the people thought "Awesome! Now we'll finally get to see all his talent, since the political structure of WCW didn't let him do much of anything!"

myke.
...I was one of those foolish people.[/QUOTE]

I'd notice, actually. But that is only because I'm a Jerichoholic-4-life. He is my all time favorite. But I do see what you mean. It is a shame (IMO) that Greenberg was too high on himself to feud with Y2J in the WWE. Done right, that could have been the best feud of Greenberg's career.

Whatever happened to Jericho's finisher when he came into the WWF? I remember him interfering with the RoadDogg's match and doing a triple powerbomb onto a table (to send RD to rehab). I stopped watching soon after for about two years though. I assume it was when he stepped into the Heavyweight Title picture, they must have realized he couldn't do that to everyone he would face. I don't know.

BTW Myke, I was one of the same people. I was so excited for the Millenium Man to debut. I just knew it was going to be Jericho, but even the rest of the folks in his JeriChat room didn't think the WWF would make that big of deal over him. Too bad they haven't used him as well as they could have (although, admittedly better than Bischoff).
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']They let go of Snitsky eh? Well, I'm sure whatever reason he got fired for... it wasn't his fault! HA, where do I come up with them?



The "No Mercy glitch" was this mild oversite by THQ and AKI, in which apparently no one tested the game to see if it would periodically reset the memory of the battery. Well needless to say this could be triggered (at random) through a variety of ways. Usually it involved CAWs in matches, or trying to win belts, but sometimes just wrestling for a belt was enough, other times it was a cage match that set it off. Whatever the cause, it pissed me off to no end, I loved playing the game, but then all of a sudden WHAM! the memory was gone. My CAWs were safely protected on memory cards, but it was still a major inconvenience, updating the wrestlers and winning the belts again. I heard you could send your game back in and get a "fixed" copy, but by the time I found out about that I just didn't care since I was going away to college.[/QUOTE]

It can also happen when you press more than four buttons at once, I believe.
 
Man, nobody except MorPhiend cared to take a guess at how many Raws could they watch before noticing Jericho was gone.

myke.
...I think that's an important question.
 
I'd notice when Jericho is gone. It wouldn't take many shows. He is good. I think his mic work is a bit overrated but overall he is still one the top ten performers they have in WWE.
 
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