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#61 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

mrsilkunderwear

Posted 23 May 2016 - 03:33 PM

what are you talking about this country was founding on christian beliefs

No, in part it was founded by men being guided by Christian VALUES. 

 

There should be a ban on bigots and idiots and fake Christians. Oh wait they are all one and the same.

 

The country was founded on slavery and horse shit and fucking over England and no religion at all.

Wrong in all the cases. 



#62 Finger_Shocker  

Finger_Shocker

Posted 23 May 2016 - 10:27 PM

I thought Christian values was to love thy neighbor

 

But these day Christians values are all about bigotry, hatred, and guns, money and death.



#63 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 May 2016 - 10:55 PM

I thought Christian values was to love thy neighbor

 

But these day Christians values are all about bigotry, hatred, and guns, money and death.

Right... lets not think about all the billions donated to charities, mission trips and resources given to natural disaster victims. I have problems with some religious people and groups but at least I fucking think before I say something so ignorant. 



#64 Finger_Shocker  

Finger_Shocker

Posted 23 May 2016 - 11:25 PM

Soon Trump will be president and Amerika will really go to H e L L

 

Bigotry will become a constutional right once republicans get their control over Congress

 

And the Pope is a Christian, but most Americans however are not as claimed.



#65 The Green Giant   Leader of the Veggies CAGiversary!   9399 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 01:38 AM

No, in part it was founded by men being guided by Christian VALUES. 

 

Wrong in all the cases. 

 

I'm sorry facts are never wrong, but it's clear you always are.

 

There are such things are human values, which the founding fathers didn't really have...

 

"All men are created equal.... yes as long as you were a literally a man, white and own landed. You black? 3/5ths a person. Woman?! Go make me dinner bitch and pop out some sons.



#66 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 01:51 AM

I'm sorry facts are never wrong, but it's clear you always are.

 

There are such things are human values, which the founding fathers didn't really have...

 

"All men are created equal.... yes as long as you were a literally a man, white and own landed. You black? 3/5ths a person. Woman?! Go make me dinner bitch and pop out some sons.

Yeah you really might want to read up on the revolution and the founding fathers. 

 

I said you were wrong because you wanted to ban people. Free speech is not just meant for you and SJW, its really meant for everyone regardless of the views. The limitations being that the right cannot infringe on your liberties. 

 

Now you proceed to say that founding fathers didnt have human values which baffles my mind. Of course I do not agree with everything they have done or believed in but the fact of the matter is they founded a nation which was unlike any other at that time. Recognizing more rights that almost any other nation and giving the people an option to elect their leaders. Perfect? No, but it was a good start. In regards to the slaves, not every founding father agreed with that concept. Jefferson for example was very much against it later in his life but mostly opposed the freedom because he believed it was in the best interest of the nation. 

 

So if you want to continue this conversation then you better start coming up with these so called facts because so far you have nothing. 



#67 berzirk   I'm not so serious CAGiversary!   2506 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 24 May 2016 - 05:32 PM

I'm pissed!

 

...just kidding.  I don't give a shit. 



#68 Kotor15   Okay kiddos, prepare to be schooled CAGiversary!   3099 Posts   Joined 4.1 Years Ago  

Posted 25 May 2016 - 06:56 PM

Starmask is a Christian? Everything makes sense now.

#69 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7124 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

detectiveconan16

Posted 25 May 2016 - 11:33 PM

11 States sue the Obama Administration over the bathroom policy. They reserve the right to say who needs to take a dump and where. http://www.nytimes.c...olicy.html?_r=0

 

Damn you King Obama for removing bathroom doors!



#70 starmask2k3   CAG MASTER'S Closed Account   13745 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 12:04 AM

11 States sue the Obama Administration over the bathroom policy. They reserve the right to say who needs to take a dump and where. http://www.nytimes.c...olicy.html?_r=0

 

Damn you King Obama for removing bathroom doors!

HELL YEAH



#71 Kotor15   Okay kiddos, prepare to be schooled CAGiversary!   3099 Posts   Joined 4.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 May 2016 - 06:29 AM

My children are safe from law breakers! Wait....

#72 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7124 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 10:22 AM

This was an issue two years ago. http://mediamatters....r-bathro/198533

 

Oh yeah, most perverts are of the straight male type, so the spooooooooky gays and transgender people are hardly the type of people you should be afraid of when you go to the bathroom. In fact, if you see anybody protesting Target's or Obama's bathroom policy, they're the perverts, good ole Patriotic Christian Americans. https://www.washingt...icy-police-say/ https://www.washingt...rl-in-bathroom/



#73 starmask2k3   CAG MASTER'S Closed Account   13745 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 03:25 PM

to the people that say christian's are bad and evil it's very very hot and very bad in HELL and when all god's people go up to heaven all HELL will be on Earth that's all i have to say



#74 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14258 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 26 May 2016 - 03:44 PM

Well that escalated fast. . .



#75 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

mrsilkunderwear

Posted 26 May 2016 - 04:12 PM

I am starting to think starmask is finger_shocker. Some sort of a personality disorder or something. 



#76 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 May 2016 - 04:49 PM

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#77 Burning Karma   Ready for the mosh pit, shaka brah CAGiversary!   893 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Burning Karma

Posted 26 May 2016 - 06:27 PM

to the people that say christian's are bad and evil it's very very hot and very bad in HELL and when all god's people go up to heaven all HELL will be on Earth that's all i have to say

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#78 Finger_Shocker  

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 07:17 PM

to the people that say christian's are bad and evil it's very very hot and very bad in HELL and when all god's people go up to heaven all HELL will be on Earth that's all i have to say

Noooo....  Christians are good or work for good, it is only AMERICAN Christians who are technically evil and the worst



#79 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14258 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 26 May 2016 - 07:41 PM

I'm curious what "good" has come from religion.



#80 Finger_Shocker  

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 08:15 PM

Republican ( this is a party filled with nothing but scumbags who turn everything into the shits )

 

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.2651269



#81 MrClark  

Posted 08 June 2016 - 10:17 PM

Myself personally as someone not political and not religious this is how I feel.

 

You should use the bathroom for the sex you were born as.

 

I say that because you have to put a line in the sand somewhere. You cant start making exceptions with our society simply because you give people an inch they take it a mile. Sometimes you shouldnt make exceptions because they get exploited, taken out of context, or turned into something bigger than they should be. And like this in this topic, do nothing but raise peoples temperatures and cause a lot of unneeded backlash and hatred. Our society has to be treated like kids sometimes where the parents say "This is how it is, end of story. Its for your own good". Its like lawsuits in a way, soon as a lady burned herself on mcdonalds coffee and won a ton of money we have since seen a staggering rise in just ridiculous lawsuits and people taking advantage of the legal system. Something like this will be a gateway opening for others to start demanding madman like demands and considerations.

 

Now I dont hate trans people. I understand who they are and so on, its fine and Ill never tell them they are wrong. But lets face the grim meat hook realities of it, you can pull the stem off an apple and spray paint it orange but its still an apple. Bottom line is, if youre born a man then youre a man and vice versa and you should abide by polite society rules as such.

 

And I dont mean this in a negative way but, trans people are the minority in this country. If trans people made up half the population then that is a different story, but they arent. So the majority arent even considered in this case. When it comes to things like this you cant look at a small amount of people, you have to consider and do whats best for the majority. And ultimately thats my real complaint, everyone in this country has to be catered to and babied and treated special when in the real world laws are created for the majority. When does it stop? How many rules and exceptions are we going to have in order for every single person to be happy?

 

My problem is this country changes rules and makes decisions for small amounts of people who are really loud on the internet and that is a terrible thing. This country should be about whats good for the most people and whats fair to the majority. Not constantly running around putting a band aid on every tiny cut or scratch.



#82 MrClark  

Posted 08 June 2016 - 10:18 PM

Noooo....  Christians are good or work for good, it is only AMERICAN Christians who are technically evil and the worst

People of most every religion are good as individuals, its when you get them in large groups that you have issues.



#83 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16939 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 11:04 PM

Myself personally as someone not political and not religious this is how I feel.

 

You should use the bathroom for the sex you were born as.

 

I say that because you have to put a line in the sand somewhere. You cant start making exceptions with our society simply because you give people an inch they take it a mile. Sometimes you shouldnt make exceptions because they get exploited, taken out of context, or turned into something bigger than they should be. And like this in this topic, do nothing but raise peoples temperatures and cause a lot of unneeded backlash and hatred. Our society has to be treated like kids sometimes where the parents say "This is how it is, end of story. Its for your own good". Its like lawsuits in a way, soon as a lady burned herself on mcdonalds coffee and won a ton of money we have since seen a staggering rise in just ridiculous lawsuits and people taking advantage of the legal system. Something like this will be a gateway opening for others to start demanding madman like demands and considerations.

 

Now I dont hate trans people. I understand who they are and so on, its fine and Ill never tell them they are wrong. But lets face the grim meat hook realities of it, you can pull the stem off an apple and spray paint it orange but its still an apple. Bottom line is, if youre born a man then youre a man and vice versa and you should abide by polite society rules as such.

 

And I dont mean this in a negative way but, trans people are the minority in this country. If trans people made up half the population then that is a different story, but they arent. So the majority arent even considered in this case. When it comes to things like this you cant look at a small amount of people, you have to consider and do whats best for the majority. And ultimately thats my real complaint, everyone in this country has to be catered to and babied and treated special when in the real world laws are created for the majority. When does it stop? How many rules and exceptions are we going to have in order for every single person to be happy?

 

My problem is this country changes rules and makes decisions for small amounts of people who are really loud on the internet and that is a terrible thing. This country should be about whats good for the most people and whats fair to the majority. Not constantly running around putting a band aid on every tiny cut or scratch.

Why do people have such a difficult time grasping "the sex you were born as" creates just as many problems as "the sex you identify with"? Again, I go back to Shawn Stinson.

 

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Do you want this person in the women's room with your mother? Because that's what your "solution" (and HB2) suggests.

 

What makes a hell of a lot more sense to me is going into the room that corresponds with your appearance (see also: common sense or...what happened before NC started any of this nonsense). Sure, that leaves open some gray areas where people's interpretation of how "convincing" they are is debatable. But doesn't that exist regardless?

 

That's the dumbest part about the whole policy. Like you said, it affects a small number of people. It's a non-issue being dictated with non-solutions. And to think this was brought forward by a "less government is the best government" group makes it even more laughable.

 

As for your McDonald's analogy...you might want to read up on that case too.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm



#84 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7124 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 09:54 AM

^ That man is a marvel of modern medicine.

 

What part of privacy stalls do people not understand?



#85 Squarehard   Nyaa~ CAGiversary!   20828 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:38 PM

I think it would be hilarious if they debated in their own thread together. The autism would be real.

That's insulting to people with autism.



#86 MrClark  

Posted 10 June 2016 - 02:37 PM

Why do people have such a difficult time grasping "the sex you were born as" creates just as many problems as "the sex you identify with"? Again, I go back to Shawn Stinson.

 

transgender.png

 

Do you want this person in the women's room with your mother? Because that's what your "solution" (and HB2) suggests.

 

What makes a hell of a lot more sense to me is going into the room that corresponds with your appearance (see also: common sense or...what happened before NC started any of this nonsense). Sure, that leaves open some gray areas where people's interpretation of how "convincing" they are is debatable. But doesn't that exist regardless?

 

That's the dumbest part about the whole policy. Like you said, it affects a small number of people. It's a non-issue being dictated with non-solutions. And to think this was brought forward by a "less government is the best government" group makes it even more laughable.

 

As for your McDonald's analogy...you might want to read up on that case too.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

 

Well the actual details of the case do not matter, what matters is the effects it had on the public and their willingness to take stuff too far. They saw someone else benefit and they took advantage of it. Despite whatever actually came of that case it was definitely the first to open the doors for lawsuit abuse that pretty much started there and lead to where we are now where in which is where people will sue over anything in the hopes of a easy out of court settlement. You dont seem to grasp the point I was trying to make, things like always start very small but they get bigger as time goes on. Thus my analogy.

 

And appearance makes sense? So you you would leave it all up to something that is purely subjective? By that reasoning if I put some lipstick on I should be able to go into a ladies room all I want because to me I am acceptable, then I can sue the store for denying me entrance because from their view point I am not passable as a woman. Or I can just say "I found out I am a woman like 15 minutes ago, I can go in the ladies room" and what law is there to say otherwise? Do we need to have gender police around the country now to be called when a business decides a person doesnt look enough like the opposite sex to use the restroom?

 

And why is just now suddenly not ok to just have men in mens rooms and women in womens restrooms? It seems to have worked so far for the past 100 years.

 

And why does no one consider the people who are made uncomfortable by them being there? If a trans persons feelings matter so much then why dont the feelings of people who arent trans? Again, it goes back to the minority getting what they want because they yell the loudest, that isnt exactly a way you should decide on a law or rule. Giving a small group what they want purely for the sake of not wanting negative press is not a good way to make decisions, on any subject matter. Rules whether they be in a county, a state, or the whole country should be made with the good of the whole in mind.

 

Really my ultimate complaint is stuff like this makes our country weak as a whole. Its giving in on every little thing for not wanting to seem un-politically correct, its letting a huge huge amount of people abuse the wellfare system despite it damaging the country as a whole because they dont want bad press from the people who could crawl out of the woodwork to say they are starving, its letting black people say whatever they want and letting them constantly be the victim despite whatever truly happens because they dont want to see racist, its letting women file lawsuits for sexism on things like "I dont want to wear heels at work because the men dont have to" but never sticking up for men because they dont want to seem sexist, its ignoring men getting raped or making a joke out of it in prison but when a woman is raped the country rallies together to support and give them whatever they need. Its just one of dozens of things that as a whole make us weak and catering cows always ready to kneel down just to make a person feel special. Thats why we suffer as a whole in this country because we waste all our time worrying about making sure all 440 million americans are special little snowflakes instead of treating everyone fair and the same (and no we do not do that at all).



#87 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 10 June 2016 - 03:10 PM

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#88 berzirk   I'm not so serious CAGiversary!   2506 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 10 June 2016 - 05:01 PM

Not to risk derailing an A+ thread, but I thought I heard that the law says you must use the bathroom based on the gender on your birth certificate.  Since you can change the gender on your birth certificate, having a dong or not seems like it would be irrelevant if you update your birth certificate. 

 

But then again, I never understood why it was a problem to require someone to have ID to vote, and that's a politicized issue, so perhaps I'm just naive.



#89 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7124 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 12:26 PM

It's not so much having the ID to vote, but it's more of using the fact that you HAVE TO GET an ID as a barrier to vote. Poor people generally have to work all day and they live by their paycheck. That definitely does not give them the time to go to the DMV, which in many states is a challenge in of itself. If getting a valid ID were so easy, everybody would have one by now thanks to a functional bureaucracy, but you'd have to be lucky to not find a dysfunctional one.



#90 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 12:37 PM

Well the actual details of the case do not matter, what matters is the effects it had on the public and their willingness to take stuff too far. They saw someone else benefit and they took advantage of it. Despite whatever actually came of that case it was definitely the first to open the doors for lawsuit abuse that pretty much started there and lead to where we are now where in which is where people will sue over anything in the hopes of a easy out of court settlement. You dont seem to grasp the point I was trying to make, things like always start very small but they get bigger as time goes on. Thus my analogy.


:rofl: ok buddy, if you say so