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#1 KaneRobot   The Profit$ of Doom CAGiversary!   10542 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 05 April 2017 - 05:56 PM

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Look at the box / interview:

 

 

Release info:

  • $499
  • 11/7/17 release
  • Crackdown 3 released same day
    (delayed until Spring) (delayed until February 2019)

Other info:

Numbers/Guts:

  • Eight custom x86 cores clocked at 2.3GHz

  • 40 customised compute units at 1172MHz
  • 12GB GDDR5 RAM
  • 326GB/s bandwidth
  • Supports FreeSync and HDMI 2.1 variable refresh rate
  • 1TB hard drive
  • 4K Blu-Ray Drive
  • Internal power supply (meaning no power brick)

Relevant videos from the 4/6/17 reveal:

 

Specs revealed:

 

Ways Scorpio will make older games better:

 

Is Scorpio more powerful than PS4 Pro? (answer: yes)

 

 

TEXT ARTICLES:

 

Questions about the reveal answered in a way that we can more easily understand (READ THIS!!)

http://www.eurogamer...orpio-explained

 

 

Opinion (backed up with facts) piece written by the guy in the above videos:

http://www.eurogamer...-to-a-new-level

 

 

RUMORS

 

*Name is "XBox One X" - CONFIRMED

 

*The box itself will actually be SMALLER than the XBox One S - CONFIRMED

 

*Hard drive will not be an SSD - however, the increased amount of RAM in the system should allow loading times to be faster - see the videos above.



#2 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 05 April 2017 - 10:19 PM

Yeah rumor is people are calling it Xbox One X.

#3 Ferrari Racer   Banned CAGiversary!   6721 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

Ferrari Racer

Posted 06 April 2017 - 01:08 PM



#4 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8675 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 01:13 PM

so many teraflops



#5 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8675 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 01:47 PM

The graphics processor is being compared to a Radeon 480x or a NVIDIA 1070.

 

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#6 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:31 PM

If true this will not be affordable at all.

#7 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:16 PM

:rofl: They're either taking a massive loss or are vastly overestimating people's willingness to shell out a lot of money for a console...

#8 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:20 PM

I'm just glad the initial internal hdd is finally 1TB. Those performance specs are impressive.

#9 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:11 PM

:rofl: They're either taking a massive loss or are vastly overestimating people's willingness to shell out a lot of money for a console...


Honestly if this thing is pricey what reason would there be to get this over a pc? Especially when all their exclusives are on pc.

#10 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:25 PM

Honestly if this thing is pricey what reason would there be to get this over a pc? Especially when all their exclusives are on pc.

Exactly. The PS4 pro was only $100 more and it garnered about as much excitement as a wet fart.

At this point I just can't see how this is a good idea to get to market unless you're taking a heavy loss per unit which has its own problems.

This doesn't even scratch the surface of the potential problem for a split user base....

#11 shrike4242   Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else. CAGiversary!   49879 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:30 PM

Honestly if this thing is pricey what reason would there be to get this over a pc? Especially when all their exclusives are on pc.

It's a sealed-box solution, you go to one vendor for support, you don't have to worry about OS updates, driver updates and the like.

 

For everyone who wants a console over a PC, you pull it out of the box, set it up and you're good.  No OS to install, box to assemble and the like. 



#12 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:50 PM

Pcs aren't exactly hard to set up anymore.

The main point is though the type of people who truly care about best specs like the scorpio is targeting are the same people who understand how pcs work anyways and would just go that route instead.

#13 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8675 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:26 PM

I think the Xbox Elite controller has shown there is a market for this kind of stuff.

 

I agree, that's it's entering the realm of PC redundancy. But people seem to think this is still going to have a price tag of either $399 or $499 which is totally manageable.  Anything more than that, then yeah, it's probably pointless. 

 

It's not the machine itself that concerns me.   I think the Scorpio seems very cool.  The problem is the idea that we are getting all these incremental upgrades in the middle of a console's life cycle.  It feels like it's never a good time to buy a home console because there's always something else coming up around the corner.  It is absolutely entering the realm of PCs with all of these incremental upgrades and the recurring costs associated with buying them.  This is exactly why many people don't buy gaming PCs.  They buy consoles to last them 6-9 years of new games during the full generation. 

 

I don't understand why it's happening so often when development cycles for new games have gotten to be so big that companies are having a tough time keeping up with AAA publishing anymore.  There's a diminishing returns when it comes to graphics.  To me, it feels like we're there already.  MS already has the problem of not enough studios developing games for them, and I don't see how the Scorpio changes any of that. 



#14 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:38 PM

Here's a good summary video.

Spoiler

Honestly if this thing is pricey what reason would there be to get this over a pc? Especially when all their exclusives are on pc.

You can look at their message with them announcing Game Pass. Not only are Xbox One games that are ported over to Scorpio looking and running exceptionally better but also BC Xbox 360 titles are getting the bump in CPU/GPU/Memory upgrade. Therefore doesn't it make sense people would want to get the Xbox Scorpio to have the first-rate optimized XBOX GAMING LIBRARY, we're talking about new and old both optimized to run the best they can, to experience? Old games getting the inclusion of improved texturing and newer games portraying true 4K resolution.

 

It's not the machine itself that concerns me.   I think the Scorpio seems very cool.  The problem is the idea that we are getting all these incremental upgrades in the middle of a console's life cycle.  It feels like it's never a good time to buy a home console because there's always something else coming up around the corner.  It is absolutely entering the realm of PCs with all of these incremental upgrades and the recurring costs associated with buying them.  This is exactly why many people don't buy gaming PCs.  They buy consoles to last them 6-9 years of new games during the full generation. 

 

I don't understand why it's happening so often when development cycles for new games have gotten to be so big that companies are having a tough time keeping up with AAA publishing anymore.  There's a diminishing returns when it comes to graphics.  To me, it feels like we're there already.  MS already has the problem of not enough studios developing games for them, and I don't see how the Scorpio changes any of that. 

I don't believe we've seen this so called cycle you claim we're headed or we're experiencing. Sony bitch slapped Microsoft with the PS4 and Xbox One's initial direction. This is a swift-super-powerful-magic-Star-zooming-back-into-first-place Mario Kart scenario. It's technology, there will always be a better iteration of whatever you're buying. You can saw the same thing with a car.



#15 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:54 PM

Tbh what you say about making old games look better is the same thing a pc will do too. Along with free online and being able to upgrade.

This thing will sell. It will be the best selling console the month it launches because no matter what system you have the core that always wants to latest and greatest.

But the market they seem to be targeting with this are they people who would just get a pc anyways.

Bottom line is if graphics matter to you then scorpio is not the way to go. If they still had true exclusives that gives you a reason but now that is gone as well.

Still, it's good because it pushes the console industry forward. But what good is a bazooka (powerfull system) if you have no ammo (great games)

#16 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 09:02 PM

Bottom line is if graphics matter to you then scorpio is not the way to go. If they still had true exclusives that gives you a reason but now that is gone as well.

WTF are you talking about?! Ok, I know this is your opinion but you're perspective seems to be very misinformed.

 

Scorpio doesn't just have a beefy graphics performance but the CPU can run circles around stuff. There's a shit ton of memory for Xbox Scorpio games to take advantage of (native 4K gaming/HDR/Movies playback), more for Xbox One & 360 games - both will use the extra memory as cache to boost performance (this isn't just ohh it looks better). The system will either render the games for the customer's 1080P TV OR 4K TV. This is huuuuge, the ability to customize the graphical output and rendering process in accordance to what the gamer is using is a biiiiig plus. The system will be customized to its first party titles (per game basis too), which means Microsoft will pump all they can out of this game changing system for their first party titles, which is more than just Halo/Gears/Forza btw.

Since you want to go there, some of Microsoft's Exclusive Franchises:

Spoiler

It's very true, a lot of those exclusive first party titles can be found on PC, the other Microsoft ecosystem, but you know what, a lot of people can't afford the PC market or prefer console gaming. They'd rather not have to deal with all the crap that goes with PC gaming either (viruses, updates for video/audio/motherboard/OS, running unnecessary background programs while trying to game, compatibility issues, etc), been there, done that (my netbook suits me just fine now and my Xbox One is my main gaming rig, accompanied by my 360 and Wii U).

 

However with that said exclusives are old hat now. It's a good thing because multiplatform has almost become a standard now with a lot of people gaming on all the different platforms - and shit, crossbuy is becoming a standard now too! Be it PC, mobile (I place the Switch there), Xbox, PS everybody can get in on the action with a Lego, FIFA - or with exceptions on certain platforms - GTA games. Then there's the online community, the support, the features and the place to game, Xbox Live. Xbox Scorpio games will look better, perform better and be the best OPTION of the game you can pick up. Then you'll have a Xbox One version which will be playable on the system you have now, without all the bells and whistles. It's like the highest you can go with-in the Xbox product line, this is the Premium system, akin like how we have the Elite controller out there alongside standard Xbox One controllers. This will sell.



#17 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8675 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 09:53 PM

fanboy triggered



#18 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:18 PM

fanboy triggered

Suuuuure, a fanboy who also owns a PC and Wii U.



#19 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2017 - 11:53 PM

Straight from Microsoft.
"All existing Xbox games (including Xbox One Backward Compatible titles) will run smoother, look better and load faster without requiring an update or any work from developers. All games running on Project Scorpio will achievemore consistent framerates, faster load times, improved anisotropic filtering, and will run at their peak resolution if the title implemented dynamic scaling. In addition, developers will also have the option to update existing titles to further take full advantage of Project Scorpio’s advanced capabilities including full 4K assets and 4K resolution."
http://kotaku.com/mi...pecs-1794069652

Oh, better performance and fidelity without an update, interesting.

#20 KaneRobot   The Profit$ of Doom CAGiversary!   10542 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:43 AM

Updated the OP with videos and text articles. I'll try to keep it reasonably current as we get closer to E3.

 

Based on what I saw, I was pretty impressed. I think the people guessing it's going to be $400 are insane, but I'd say $500 is likely. The fact that the chip is based on Jaguar and not a bleeding edge new model should hopefully allow them to keep the price reasonable. What they've actually done with the guts of that thing is unbelievable.

 

XBox definitely has the right approach with this...keeping everything back/forward compatible regardless of the version of the system coming out. If they keep the 360 BC stuff rolling for the next year or two, the library is going to be fucking insane.



#21 loomis1975   Cell Block CAG CAGiversary!   1240 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:15 PM

I support this but am debating getting one at launch.

 

I bought-in on the day one 2013 Xbox One launch and that was a lot of money for what we got out of it (looking at you, Kinect).  This should be a better value proposition than that though, but a good sized 4K TV with real HDR is still quite a bit more expensive than this console will be, and I don't know if I can justify this "premium" purchase without the other.

 

If I have a lot of saved up Best Buy credit, I'll consider it.  Maybe this Black Friday will bring a good sale on HDR 4K too and I'll just do both at the same time this year.



#22 chubbyninja1319   Where's my stuff!? CAGiversary!   5421 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:54 PM

This is the first major console reveal (sort of) that I don't care about.  Give me games or go home with your tail between your legs.  I'm a diehard Xbox guy, but Sony is kicking the sharts out of Xbox at every step this gen.  Focusing on specs as the big thing is a bad move, imo. 



#23 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 07 April 2017 - 07:30 PM

That's the difference of marketing from Sony & Microsoft right. Sony shows you games that won't be out for years (Kingdom Hearts 3, Death Stranding). Microsoft shows you the guts of a powerful system and what is currently out now, the the info, chipset and screenshot from a tech demo.

They can't reveal Scorpio games yet, that's what E3 is for. The more than likely stuff, that we know they've been working on, would be Halo 6, Forza Motorsport 7, State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves & Crackdown 3.

#24 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 07 April 2017 - 07:38 PM

Don't act like Microsoft doesn't show off games that don't release for a long time. How long ago was Crackdown 3 state of decay cup head etc shown off? Look how long it took them to release quantum break etc after they were shown off.

Hell look what happened with scale bound phantom dust fable etc. Those were shown off long ago and and got canned.

Every publisher does that. It's not just a Sony thing.

#25 chubbyninja1319   Where's my stuff!? CAGiversary!   5421 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

chubbyninja1319

Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:49 PM

That's the difference of marketing from Sony & Microsoft right. Sony shows you games that won't be out for years (Kingdom Hearts 3, Death Stranding). Microsoft shows you the guts of a powerful system and what is currently out now, the the info, chipset and screenshot from a tech demo.

They can't reveal Scorpio games yet, that's what E3 is for. The more than likely stuff, that we know they've been working on, would be Halo 6, Forza Motorsport 7, State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves & Crackdown 3.

I get your point, but its not that exaggerated.  Horizon wasn't thrown in our face for years and years.  Uncharted 4 wasn't either and those two games alone blow the entirety of Xbox One's first party line up out of the water.  I definitely agree that E3 is for the big game reveals, so maybe I just need to be patient. 

 

But of those you mentioned, the only one I even remotely care about is Halo 6 and even that franchise is getting kind of 'meh'.  Forza 7 would be big, though.  I respect that franchise even though I don't play it. 



#26 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:09 AM

This is the first major console reveal (sort of) that I don't care about. Give me games or go home with your tail between your legs. I'm a diehard Xbox guy, but Sony is kicking the sharts out of Xbox at every step this gen. Focusing on specs as the big thing is a bad move, imo.


It's the second one I don't really care about, the first being the PS4 pro...

#27 KaneRobot   The Profit$ of Doom CAGiversary!   10542 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:36 AM

There are zero Sony games that make me want a PS4. Everything I give a shit about is multiplatform. Only exclusive I care about is Halo...and Crackdown, when it's good like the first one and not trash like the second one. We'll see how that goes.

 

That said, may not buy at launch depending on price. If it's 500 or higher I'll wait for a deal. 450 or less and I'll probably jump on it.

 

I don't even see this (or PS4 Pro) as a standard new console launch. There are no exclusive games or features (other than eventual VR, which I don't care about) that the regular console won't have.



#28 8bitArtist   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2292 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 03:15 AM

However with that said exclusives are old hat now.

 

exclusives matter. tell nintendo exclusive are "old hat" now. sony has released a shit ton of fantastic exclusives recently that have garnered a ton of praise. that sells consoles.



#29 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   22890 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:46 PM

As someone who thought the Xbone was a mistake on so many fronts, I'll admit that those Scorpio specs are very impressive and not the fluff I though they were going to be. I really wanted a PS4K for HZD after seeing the display at BestBuy- it looks incredible and looked like I'd finally have something worthy for my 4K TV. But outside of HZD, I can't justify a PS4K at $400. But now, after seeing the Scorpio specs the PS4 Pro really looks bad. 

 

It's powerful enough to be a new console but still plays the same games. I'm wondering if this is where consoles are heading, to be more like PCs wherein they just become more powerful. 

 

I also wanna know what tech they're using on the processor (Jaguar or Zen) and the GPU (Polaris or Vega)? :-k I feel like the PS4K's biggest mistake was using the Jaguar tech, which seemed like a bottleneck even in the original PS4. 

 

Regardless of the price, Sony's in a tough spot right now but they do hold one advantage with a better library in terms of exclusives. 



#30 shrike4242   Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else. CAGiversary!   49879 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:56 PM

As someone who thought the Xbone was a mistake on so many fronts, I'll admit that those Scorpio specs are very impressive and not the fluff I though they were going to be. I really wanted a PS4K for HZD after seeing the display at BestBuy- it looks incredible and looked like I'd finally have something worthy for my 4K TV. But outside of HZD, I can't justify a PS4K at $400. But now, after seeing the Scorpio specs the PS4 Pro really looks bad. 

 

It's powerful enough to be a new console but still plays the same games. I'm wondering if this is where consoles are heading, to be more like PCs wherein they just become more powerful. 

 

I also wanna know what tech they're using on the processor (Jaguar or Zen) and the GPU (Polaris or Vega)? :-k I feel like the PS4K's biggest mistake was using the Jaguar tech, which seemed like a bottleneck even in the original PS4. 

 

Regardless of the price, Sony's in a tough spot right now but they do hold one advantage with a better library in terms of exclusives. 

http://www.eurogamer...o-tech-revealed

From the article above, it seems that they're using a customized Jaguar CPU to keep full compatibility with the XB1, as well as an enhanced version of the original GPU, which is updated Polaris tech.