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#241 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   9149 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:50 PM

Maybe some are too lazy, maybe some have jobs and other obligations that take priority above game/system launches.. who knows.

Not sure what kind of lives some people lead that they have the time stand around waiting for stores to open but it must be nice. Personally I work 10-14 hour days and I'm not going to play hookie with my job for something that is 'nice to have' but isn't that important overall.

If staying up at night F5'ing or camping out before stores open are what it takes to have a hot item at non-scalper prices, then I'm fine with just not having one. I still don't own an NES Classic and still don't care. If I happen to stumble onto one at a store I'll grab one and be happy, but otherwise Fuck it. So far the SNES Classic is looking to be the same deal.

Right, so you don't care.

 

I understand those sentiments.  I have a good friend that shares the same perspective as you.  But you also could have sent someone else from your family, your household, or one of your friends to the store for you yesterday and then tipped them twenty bucks or bought them a case of beer.

 

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Your perspective is a healthy one, but most people that are actually getting upset act entitled to one of these systems while putting in exactly zero effort.  The whole Nintendo thing seems to have a lot of people initially telling themselves that they don't care, whereas in reality they end up getting frustrated over supply issues and begin lashing out at Nintendo and other people just because they didn't act when they had the chance.  If people thought getting one yesterday was hard, well then they are in for a real treat because there won't be any other days this year where attaining a SNES classic will be any easier than yesterday.  

 

Just like release day last year with the NES classic.   Best Buys got ~50 units back then.   Then when those were gone everyone else was left scrambling to acquire one.   Demand skyrocketed.  SNES classics are gone now and the same thing will be happening unless the restock days have similar volume as release day. 

 

These things are $180 at this minute on Amazon.   Unless they drop to < $120 the supply situation is going to remain exactly the same.  You will never see one on shelves. It's free money to anyone who wants to put in a few minutes of work.  I'm not advocating for it, but that's just the way it is.



#242 mywhitenoise   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1233 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:50 PM

You remind me of my old English teacher. Spoiler alert I didn't really give a crap about what she said to me either.

Ignorance is not something to be proud of.



#243 ChrisD0811   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   223 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:10 PM

Add me to the list of people that DID get one, with minimal effort, that STILL agrees that resellers are douchebags. Scalping is a ridiculous practice. They add zero value to the economy, and simply bleed extra funds from the end user.

Yes, Nintendo could solve the issue by producing more, but I truly hope every scalper is sent back a box of rocks, followed by a PayPal dispute/chargeback. It's dumb that there are folks that want one of these and can't obtain one, while some eBay sellers are posting pictures of dozens because they're trying to use scalping to put their Shaq-Fu'ing kids through college 😩

#244 Jacobleeslp  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:23 PM

I kept track of stock on brick seek and walked into my Walmart around 630 am. No line. Picked one up then left. They were sold out two hours later. That being said, I doubt it will be this easy going forward. I do feel for those who weren’t able to get one. It’s probably going to be a long road from here on out.

#245 GizmoGC   I love Cheese CAGiversary!   12413 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:38 PM

Thanks. Flipped it for double. 



#246 Troe123  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:42 PM

 

Nintendo is not a manufacturer. The only thing they could have done is set plans in motion and have a manufacturer start making these months ago which by the looks of it they did. They did very well based on the numbers of launch items at each store. But this is the holidays now with many other companies wanting their products to be made as well. Just like always, a hot holiday item will be hard to get in large supply because many companies want their products made (whether big or small).

 

Remember previous hot items that had months of planning and still couldn't provide stock. Hatchimals, Pie Face, Speak Out, Torch My Blazin' Dragon, 3DS Black Friday Bundle, Nerf Rival, etc. This happens every year. The only thing that may make this change is if a company makes the products year round in anticipation for the holidays but you don't want products sitting for X amount of months without sales. You also can't demand such a heavy number because other companies use those manufacturers to make their items. Hell, even Apple has a hard time keeping stock of items despite having such a large market share.\

 

But yeah, maybe this year will be different for Nintendo and every other company.

 

Thanks for the response.

 

As of April, Nintendo sold 2.3 million NES classics. And then they discontinued it while there was still (very high) demand.

 

You're right companies likely won't suddenly 180 year-after-year. But Nintendo isn't a newcomer to the business. They've been involved in video games for over three decades. And especially when selling the same product with a new coat a paint a year later. And hardware-wise it isn't exactly boundary breaking tech (making mass production easier). Nintendo isn't some newcomer that unexpectedly created a hit product and does not have the industry experience/relationships to meet high demand. And this isn't Apple (or whatever tech company) having supply issues because they chose to use a new and scarce material for their iPhone screen or other product.

 

Nintendo's supply failures are inexcusable given the extremely predictable demand and their decades in the business. Nintendo's previous handling of the NES classic demonstrates a decision making problem and not a supply infrastructure problem.



#247 Squarehard   Nyaa~ CAGiversary!   21186 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:43 PM

You remind me of my old English teacher. Spoiler alert I didn't really give a crap about what she said to me either.

That's probably why you still can't tell the difference between sarcasm and rhetoric.



#248 Faithful   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   712 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:46 PM

Price is gonna fall like a rock on these on the secondary market. Just this morning on the most popular local trading site for my area (Craigslist isn't too popular here) I've seen one for $100 and another for $130. There are over 100 listings on that site which is a TON for my area. I can imagine once the shipped orders come in over the next week and the scalpers post those, no one is going to be buying these for much over MSRP. Bottom is gonna fall out on these. When BB and Target return deadlines start getting close (around the time we start to see restocks) I expect stores will have plenty of these.

If stock only trickles in over the next few weeks I could see a demand surge for the holidays but with the numbers we saw at launch I think there will be plenty to go around.

#249 Nesmaniac   8 bit heaven CAGiversary!   1380 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:02 PM

Just as I said months ago & many others also realized it as well, it don't matter how many Nintendo makes as long as people are paying $160-175 average (as of yesterday on ebay sold listings) then there won't be enough supply for demand. It's a domino effect, those doubling their money on them are going to be enticed to go reinvest for more. Also, many others will see them profiting with little work & want in on the parade. Can't fault people for wanting to make money but stores need to limit 1 per customer which I think most are doing & Nintendo needs to spit out as many of them as possible. Now when several people are lined up wanting 1 and the store has no limit and one person buys a truckload then I do have a problem with that. I don't know of that happening with these though although I'm sure it has but very seldom I would guess.



#250 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   7622 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:07 PM

Price is gonna fall like a rock on these on the secondary market. Just this morning on the most popular local trading site for my area (Craigslist isn't too popular here) I've seen one for $100 and another for $130. There are over 100 listings on that site which is a TON for my area. I can imagine once the shipped orders come in over the next week and the scalpers post those, no one is going to be buying these for much over MSRP. Bottom is gonna fall out on these. When BB and Target return deadlines start getting close (around the time we start to see restocks) I expect stores will have plenty of these.

If stock only trickles in over the next few weeks I could see a demand surge for the holidays but with the numbers we saw at launch I think there will be plenty to go around.

Well, I've got to imagine tons of people saw "$" signs here, and bought it thinking it would be NES Mini money. I knew better than that, as even if demand isn't met, so many more people will now offer these, which is going to kill profits for all involved.

 

There's also plenty of time leading up to the holidays, so depending on production, prices may go up, or even down further. This was always going to be a bigger gamble, and since Xmas isn't 2 days away, there is no reason for anyone to pay much over retail, until supply has completely gone dry.

 

As for "N" and the typical back & forth being discussed here, I'll just say this.......these poor production issues only seem to be issues for them on a regular basis. I may see hiccups here and there for others, but around here, it's a guarantee for "N" and what they do. For a company that has been in business over 100+ years, the excuses really get old from the masses. If nothing else, they should have more and better long standing relationships across many manufacturing areas, but the reality is, they have burnt bridges, and do dumb shit on the regular. Any issues are problems are of their own making, and should not be excused just because.



#251 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16342 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:11 PM

For anyone stupid enough to still criticize Nintendo for being cautious with manufacturing, id like to point you to the Disney infinity fiasco which caused an entire studio to shut down.

Would you rather be short of stock or lose a ton of money?

#252 Squarehard   Nyaa~ CAGiversary!   21186 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:16 PM

For anyone stupid enough to still criticize Nintendo for being cautious with manufacturing, id like to point you to the Disney infinity fiasco which caused an entire studio to shut down.

Would you rather be short of stock or lose a ton of money?

Rare to see you post nowadays. ;D



#253 happydogs   Razor barrel. CAGiversary!   533 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:23 PM

Would you rather be short of stock or lose a ton of money?

These days, Nintendo seems content to do both.   :razz:



#254 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   23561 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:23 PM

Couldn't make it out yesterday but had to go to WM today. No luck, as expected. 



#255 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6895 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:55 PM

Thanks for the response.

 

As of April, Nintendo sold 2.3 million NES classics. And then they discontinued it while there was still (very high) demand.

 

You're right companies likely won't suddenly 180 year-after-year. But Nintendo isn't a newcomer to the business. They've been involved in video games for over three decades. And especially when selling the same product with a new coat a paint a year later. And hardware-wise it isn't exactly boundary breaking tech (making mass production easier). Nintendo isn't some newcomer that unexpectedly created a hit product and does not have the industry experience/relationships to meet high demand. And this isn't Apple (or whatever tech company) having supply issues because they chose to use a new and scarce material for their iPhone screen or other product.

 

Nintendo's supply failures are inexcusable given the extremely predictable demand and their decades in the business. Nintendo's previous handling of the NES classic demonstrates a decision making problem and not a supply infrastructure problem.

You're right. Nintendo isn't some random newcomer. I never implied they were though. Those toy makers aren't newcomers either (Hasbro, LEGO, and the like). Nintendo is one of MANY top companies. Not just one company can get majority of the product making pie and Nintendo isn't anymore important compared to other top companies. They may have leeway, but so does everyone else.

 

There is a reason that despite the high demand, Switch's are still hard to find. There is only so much a manufacturer can make for certain companies.

 

This stuff is very complicated guys. Nintendo sold 2.3 million yes, but the high demand peaked during the holiday season. You had people who still wanted it but not nearly as much. Nintendo discontinued their items at the right time so they don't have stores littered with them. The one time they decided not to, we had Amiibo's in every store (still do) and no sales for them.

 

Nintendo knows what the demand will be beyond what you or I do. We sit here thinking they don't know what their doing yet here they are selling out all their products, still having high profit returns and not worrying about stores having excess supply of products (like Skylanders or Disney Infinity products).

 

 

Couldn't make it out yesterday but had to go to WM today. No luck, as expected. 

Yeah, almost all stores are OOS. A restock should come in a month though but should be very limited. Keep an eye out in case.
 
 

Add me to the list of people that DID get one, with minimal effort, that STILL agrees that resellers are douchebags. Scalping is a ridiculous practice. They add zero value to the economy, and simply bleed extra funds from the end user.

Yes, Nintendo could solve the issue by producing more, but I truly hope every scalper is sent back a box of rocks, followed by a PayPal dispute/chargeback. It's dumb that there are folks that want one of these and can't obtain one, while some eBay sellers are posting pictures of dozens because they're trying to use scalping to put their Shaq-Fu'ing kids through college

Does no one think it's weird that when someone hates another for what they think is an ethical reason, that they are fine with someone else doing something unethical to them? So you hate scalpers (which I understand why) but their karma should be someone commits fraud to them? What would you like happen to the person committing fraud than?



#256 qcesarjr   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   13 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:59 PM

Maybe some are too lazy, maybe some have jobs and other obligations that take priority above game/system launches.. who knows.

Not sure what kind of lives some people lead that they have the time stand around waiting for stores to open but it must be nice. Personally I work 10-14 hour days and I'm not going to play hookie with my job for something that is 'nice to have' but isn't that important overall.

If staying up at night F5'ing or camping out before stores open are what it takes to have a hot item at non-scalper prices, then I'm fine with just not having one. I still don't own an NES Classic and still don't care. If I happen to stumble onto one at a store I'll grab one and be happy, but otherwise Fuck it. So far the SNES Classic is looking to be the same deal.

 

 

Right, so you don't care.

 

I understand those sentiments.  I have a good friend that shares the same perspective as you.  But you also could have sent someone else from your family, your household, or one of your friends to the store for you yesterday and then tipped them twenty bucks or bought them a case of beer.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Your perspective is a healthy one, but most people that are actually getting upset act entitled to one of these systems while putting in exactly zero effort.  The whole Nintendo thing seems to have a lot of people initially telling themselves that they don't care, whereas in reality they end up getting frustrated over supply issues and begin lashing out at Nintendo and other people just because they didn't act when they had the chance.  If people thought getting one yesterday was hard, well then they are in for a real treat because there won't be any other days this year where attaining a SNES classic will be any easier than yesterday.  

 

Just like release day last year with the NES classic.   Best Buys got ~50 units back then.   Then when those were gone everyone else was left scrambling to acquire one.   Demand skyrocketed.  SNES classics are gone now and the same thing will be happening unless the restock days have similar volume as release day. 

 

These things are $180 at this minute on Amazon.   Unless they drop to < $120 the supply situation is going to remain exactly the same.  You will never see one on shelves. It's free money to anyone who wants to put in a few minutes of work.  I'm not advocating for it, but that's just the way it is.

I haven't commented in like 7 years, but I signed in to do so just because of this post. I find it absurd that people who are FORTUNATE enough to have the time to line up or to have relatives/friends who are willing to do so criticize other, yes, like the other poster I'm replying to and myself, because we work and don't have close friends or family.

 

So, let me see, I work in IT, sometimes starting my days at 5am in daylong working sessions I can't come out of. So, should I have sent my wife, along with our 4 kids to wait in line for hours? What happens when they're hungry, or need to be changed, or get restless? Would you tolerate HOURS of dealing with 4 toddlers JUST for a SNES?

 

Or should I send my mother who runs a business, or my brothers who have no car or are in school? Maybe my nonexistent friends due to being an adult who works, has a house, and, again, young kids.

 

MY POINT IS: you aren't in a place to be saying someone else doesn't care or is too lazy, or whatever. Life doesn't align to Nintendo's stupid manufacturing decisions. We see it over and over, year after year. And, to the guy comparing the SNES Mini to the DIsney Infinity... seriously? A built in audience of us older gamers PLUS all new gamers vs. Disney Fans. Everyone needs to stop defending Nintendo. They make these stupid decisions on purpose over and over.

 

Come at me, bro's.



#257 chubbyninja1319   Where's my stuff!? CAGiversary!   5447 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:02 PM

This thread is a shitshow. Mods, might be the right time to locks this down.

#258 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6895 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:08 PM

This thread is a shitshow. Mods, might be the right time to locks this down.

All threads are now which is unfortunate. There are no deals (posted on CAG anyways) so people talk about other things. This topic being one of them. Mods should just delete post or lock the thread.



#259 Troe123  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:14 PM

One thing I wanted to add to the discussion.

 

Yesterday, I was #18 in line at a Gamestop with 17 SNES units. Yeah yeah FML.

 

The manager said (& this can be very YMMV) that it's possible to call on Sunday to see if there's any preorder not picked up. A long shot and all that but something to consider if you want to use GS credit.



#260 qcesarjr   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   13 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

qcesarjr

Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:15 PM

You're right. Nintendo isn't some random newcomer. I never implied they were though. Those toy makers aren't newcomers either (Hasbro, LEGO, and the like). Nintendo is one of MANY top companies. Not just one company can get majority of the product making pie and Nintendo isn't anymore important compared to other top companies. They may have leeway, but so does everyone else.

 

There is a reason that despite the high demand, Switch's are still hard to find. There is only so much a manufacturer can make for certain companies.

 

This stuff is very complicated guys. Nintendo sold 2.3 million yes, but the high demand peaked during the holiday season. You had people who still wanted it but not nearly as much. Nintendo discontinued their items at the right time so they don't have stores littered with them. The one time they decided not to, we had Amiibo's in every store (still do) and no sales for them.

 

Nintendo knows what the demand will be beyond what you or I do. We sit here thinking they don't know what their doing yet here they are selling out all their products, still having high profit returns and not worrying about stores having excess supply of products (like Skylanders or Disney Infinity products).

 

 

Yeah, almost all stores are OOS. A restock should come in a month though but should be very limited. Keep an eye out in case.
 
 

Does no one think it's weird that when someone hates another for what they think is an ethical reason, that they are fine with someone else doing something unethical to them? So you hate scalpers (which I understand why) but their karma should be someone commits fraud to them? What would you like happen to the person committing fraud than?

I see what you're saying about the manufacturing, but, look, Nintendo's money is as good as anyone's. If the request X amount of units, they'll get them. They apparently DON'T understand demand better than anyone of us because if they did, they wouldn't have discontinued the NES Classic when they did.

 

Also, why the hell overproduce Amiibos? I mean, I know they were in huge demand, but they are accessories. Don't overproduce accessories. It's the BASE product they need to make more of. I had to hunt for weeks nonstop for the Switch and decided I couldn't afford that behavior psychologically again. Whoever makes the calls on the numbers to produce is, demonstrably, severely wrong.



#261 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6895 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:18 PM

I see what you're saying about the manufacturing, but, look, Nintendo's money is as good as anyone's. If the request X amount of units, they'll get them. They apparently DON'T understand demand better than anyone of us because if they did, they wouldn't have discontinued the NES Classic when they did.

No they won't. There is only so much supplies to make a product and manufacturers to make it. Nintendo may want 2 million of a product but too bad, there isn't enough resources (time, supplies, workers) to make that happen in the time they want.
 

There is a reason major companies just like Nintendo can barely keep up stock during the holidays because no matter how big of a company you are, there isn't enough resources to go around.



#262 Mostly Human   Turtle Soup CAGiversary!   1196 Posts   Joined 8.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:31 PM

My walmart preorder just shipped. Check your emails and apps. Amazon waiting now.

#263 Cagg  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:50 PM

I never knew there were so many experts here regarding manufacturing and distribution. Screw college. CAG threads are my new textbook.



#264 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16342 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 08:08 PM

I never knew there were so many experts here regarding manufacturing and distribution. Screw college. CAG threads are my new textbook.


Everyone here is has a phd in supply chain. You need to email a copy to cheapy d to sign up.

#265 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6895 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

Everyone here is has a phd in supply chain. You need to email a copy to cheapy d to sign up.

Send your checks directly to CheapyD and he'll email you your diploma.



#266 pulsar0510   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   334 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:06 PM

I happened to be in the area of my local Target around 9AM yesterday so I took the shot and stopped in. No line no waiting, got one. According to the guy they had a limit of one. Stopped in again around 6 and they were sold out. 



#267 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   23561 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

 

Yeah, almost all stores are OOS. A restock should come in a month though but should be very limited. Keep an eye out in case.
 

Was this confirmed, that it would take a month before another restock? 

 

I'll be traveling a lot starting in 3 weeks so probably not gonna be able to get one for a while but oh well, not like I have time to play it anyway. Ha. 



#268 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6895 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:25 PM

Was this confirmed, that it would take a month before another restock? 
 
I'll be traveling a lot starting in 3 weeks so probably not gonna be able to get one for a while but oh well, not like I have time to play it anyway. Ha.


It wasnt. Just goin by the usual trend so check regularly just in case there is one sooner.

#269 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   23561 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:37 PM

It wasnt. Just goin by the usual trend so check regularly just in case there is one sooner.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I feel like I should have tried to sneak out of work for an hour to get to a WM or Target or something for one but working in downtown Chicago, I figure there were tons of people who did the same thing. 

 

Oh well, seems like this is going better than the NES Classic so I'll just try my luck. 



#270 karkyco   $$$ CAGiversary!   6837 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:52 PM

I haven't commented in like 7 years, but I signed in to do so just because of this post. I find it absurd that people who are FORTUNATE enough to have the time to line up or to have relatives/friends who are willing to do so criticize other, yes, like the other poster I'm replying to and myself, because we work and don't have close friends or family.

 

So, let me see, I work in IT, sometimes starting my days at 5am in daylong working sessions I can't come out of. So, should I have sent my wife, along with our 4 kids to wait in line for hours? What happens when they're hungry, or need to be changed, or get restless? Would you tolerate HOURS of dealing with 4 toddlers JUST for a SNES?

 

Or should I send my mother who runs a business, or my brothers who have no car or are in school? Maybe my nonexistent friends due to being an adult who works, has a house, and, again, young kids.

 

MY POINT IS: you aren't in a place to be saying someone else doesn't care or is too lazy, or whatever. Life doesn't align to Nintendo's stupid manufacturing decisions. We see it over and over, year after year. And, to the guy comparing the SNES Mini to the DIsney Infinity... seriously? A built in audience of us older gamers PLUS all new gamers vs. Disney Fans. Everyone needs to stop defending Nintendo. They make these stupid decisions on purpose over and over.

 

Come at me, bro's.

4 kids?!?  Your solution is to trade one for an SNES Classic, "obvs".  Maybe even 2 for 1 (can't say which without knowing the quality of the children whether it should be 2 SNESC's for 1 of them, or vice versa).

 

Joking of course. Maybe.