Jump to content


- - - - -

Star Wars Thread - Episode IX Releasing 12/20/19


#31 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

gamegirlpocket

Posted 24 December 2017 - 01:08 PM

See, that's exactly my point as I don't feel like Rey really trained under Luke. It was kinda like she already knew what to do and was just going through the motions.

 

I think what fucks with everything the most is the conflicting passage of time presented. We have Rey off on another world and "training" which should believably take weeks, if not months, then leaving to face Kylo puts her on the same timeline as the events elsewhere. Yet we have this space race going where a Mon Calamari Cruiser is running out of fuel very quickly. That and Finn/Rose's sidequest might be a few days at best, so all of them meeting up after shit goes down means that Rey wasn't gone long at all.

 

So basically the movie is telling me that Rey finds Luke, talks about shit, trains, goes down a rabbit hole, steals the Jedi texts, and faces her trial -- all in the span of a few days. Yeah, fucking bullshit lol.

Rey arrives on Luke's island at the end of TFA. Some unknown amount of time, weeks or months, pass before the opening of TLJ with the assault on the rebel forces. I assumed Rey's sideplot on the island mostly took place in the events leading up to the main plot, and they just didn't pace it well.

 

And honestly, Luke's time with Yoda in Empire isn't very well represented. No one knows if he was actually there for days, weeks, or months, and he left before Yoda thought he was ready. That last point, right there, fits kinda nicely with the idea that he tried to train more Jedi but wasn't ready himself. He didn't lead a life of discipline the way most did, and gave into his fears over Ben. At least, it all feels congruent to me.



#32 Bloomy   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5655 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

Rey arrives on Luke's island at the end of TFA. Some unknown amount of time, weeks or months, pass before the opening of TLJ with the assault on the rebel forces. I assumed Rey's sideplot on the island mostly took place in the events leading up to the main plot, and they just didn't pace it well.

 

And honestly, Luke's time with Yoda in Empire isn't very well represented. No one knows if he was actually there for days, weeks, or months, and he left before Yoda thought he was ready. That last point, right there, fits kinda nicely with the idea that he tried to train more Jedi but wasn't ready himself. He didn't lead a life of discipline the way most did, and gave into his fears over Ben. At least, it all feels congruent to me.

TLJ seems to take place pretty much immediately after TFA, with Finn beginning TLJ recovering from the wounds he suffered at the end of TFA.  Perhaps Finn was in that medical pod for a little while before TLJ begins, but I don't think much time had passed between films.  When Finn wakes up, he wants to find Rey.

 

Before Finn and Rose went to find the code breaker, wasn't it said the main cruiser had 18 hours of fuel left?  That limits the passage of time for the middle of the movie.

 

The timing of Luke's Dagobah training in ESB is also not very well conveyed on screen.  I don't know if it's official canon any longer, or if it even ever was, but after escaping the Imperial fleet, the Falcon's trip to Bespin took weeks, perhaps longer, on its backup hyperdrive.  I've seen some mentions online that the passage of time is better established in the novelization, but I have no idea where my copy is.  I remember an extra scene where Yoda has Luke face those small floating droids that he first trained against in the Falcon in ANH, dealing with 3 at a time, then exhausted, Yoda has him deal with at least 5.  Not as interesting as the extra scene in ROTJ where the Emperor questions Luke about his training after Obi-Wan's death.



#33 M2003  

Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:56 PM

Rey arrives on Luke's island at the end of TFA. Some unknown amount of time, weeks or months, pass before the opening of TLJ with the assault on the rebel forces. I assumed Rey's sideplot on the island mostly took place in the events leading up to the main plot, and they just didn't pace it well.

 

And honestly, Luke's time with Yoda in Empire isn't very well represented. No one knows if he was actually there for days, weeks, or months, and he left before Yoda thought he was ready. That last point, right there, fits kinda nicely with the idea that he tried to train more Jedi but wasn't ready himself. He didn't lead a life of discipline the way most did, and gave into his fears over Ben. At least, it all feels congruent to me.

 

I think it was said TLJ happens immediately right after TFA; a couple of days to no more than 1 week.



#34 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 24 December 2017 - 07:04 PM

Rey arrives on Luke's island at the end of TFA. Some unknown amount of time, weeks or months, pass before the opening of TLJ with the assault on the rebel forces. I assumed Rey's sideplot on the island mostly took place in the events leading up to the main plot, and they just didn't pace it well.

And honestly, Luke's time with Yoda in Empire isn't very well represented. No one knows if he was actually there for days, weeks, or months, and he left before Yoda thought he was ready. That last point, right there, fits kinda nicely with the idea that he tried to train more Jedi but wasn't ready himself. He didn't lead a life of discipline the way most did, and gave into his fears over Ben. At least, it all feels congruent to me.

I was thinking the same thing regarding the time synchronicity between Rey's storyline and that of the Rebels.

At the end of TFA Rey hands the light sabre to Luke, which he takes and promptly throws away at the beginning of TLJ.

At the end of TFA the Rebel base was in a deciduous forest with a temperate climate. If I remember correctly, there was snow on the groud during the evacuation. I remember thinking "oh they're just gonna copy the evacuation of the base on Hoth from ESB." The change in seasonal climate seems to indicate some passage of time on the Rebel storyline.

From script writing standpoint this all could have been rectified with a line or two. Something like Finn saying "If we leave Rey won't be able find us. She's been gone for months (or weeks)." Then Leia shows the bracelet with the homing beacon. And after Luke throws the light saber away Rey says something like "we need you. I traveled 3 days at light speed to get here." Them we could all be "oh days for Rey, but weeks/months for the Rebels.

I don't know why Disney doesn't just sequester Joss Whedon, Kevin Smith, and Paton Oswalt in a locked penthouse suite to review these scripts and solve these minor plot points.

#35 Razzel   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   604 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 25 December 2017 - 06:49 AM

I was dying laughing watching this vid. Contains major spoilers though FYI



#36 akathatoneguy   Use your turn signal CAGiversary!   1018 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

akathatoneguy

Posted 26 December 2017 - 06:14 AM

Re: the timeline, I also assumed that Finn had been out a while healing in that stasis pod thingamajiggy and that Rey was on the island for a while, though usually doing her own thing instead of training with Luke. It's clear right away that more time has passed for the rest of the cast than Rey as Rey's story picks up exactly where it left off, but as others have said, it would have been helpful (and extremely easy) to point out explicitly how much time had passed for everyone else.
 

I was dying laughing watching this vid. Contains major spoilers though FYI
 

I liked TLJ, but that was pretty funny.



#37 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 26 December 2017 - 02:23 PM

Regarding Finn's stasis pod, is that supposed to be the new and improved, and also portable, version of a bactra (?) tank?

#38 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 26 December 2017 - 02:42 PM

That video was spot on and articulated every major problem with the movie better than I ever could. It really doesn't hold up at all once you poke all the oh-so-obvious holes in it. The point about Rose on Crait is something I hadn't even considered but is a really big one.



#39 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 26 December 2017 - 06:49 PM

I was just reviewing the timeline of the Star Wars films as regards what years the events took place with respect to the BBY/ABY calendar [BBY = Before the Battle of Yavin & ABY =After the Battle of Yavin].

Here's what I figured out:

* Anakin dies when he's ~45
* Luke dies when he's 53
* Quai Gon dies when he's 60 (still want to know why his body didn't vanish when he died. Why is he the only jedi on a funeral pyre?)
* Obi-Wan dies when he's 57
* Yoda dies when he's 900 years old.

Yoda wins. Yoda wins.

(In the above dies = becomes one with the force)

#40 Bloomy   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5655 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 26 December 2017 - 07:16 PM

The question about why Qui-Gon was burned at the end of Phantom Menace instead of vanishing was asked a lot back in '99.  The explanation, which, again, may have been replaced by Disney's new canon, was that the Jedi didn't know how to become one with the Force in the vanishing manner until Qui-Gon's spirit instructed Yoda how to do it.  During Attack of the Clones, when Yoda felt Anakin attack the Tuskin Raiders while rescuing his mother, you can hear Qui-Gon's voice.  This confused Yoda, since it implied Qui-Gon was able to keep his identity after death, something unknown to the Jedi at that point.  IIRC, the scene near the end of ROTS where Senator Organa tells Yoda that Obi-Wan is arriving with Padme had some extra at the beginning, where Yoda's meditation is communicating with Qui-Gon.  I don't remember if that bit was filmed and deleted from the final cut, only in the script / novelization or just communicated by official sources.

 

The real question is how did Anakin appear at the end of ROTJ, unless he got help from Obi-Wan and Yoda.



#41 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 26 December 2017 - 07:36 PM

The question about why Qui-Gon was burned at the end of Phantom Menace instead of vanishing was asked a lot back in '99. The explanation, which, again, may have been replaced by Disney's new canon, was that the Jedi didn't know how to become one with the Force in the vanishing manner until Qui-Gon's spirit instructed Yoda how to do it. During Attack of the Clones, when Yoda felt Anakin attack the Tuskin Raiders while rescuing his mother, you can hear Qui-Gon's voice. This confused Yoda, since it implied Qui-Gon was able to keep his identity after death, something unknown to the Jedi at that point. IIRC, the scene near the end of ROTS where Senator Organa tells Yoda that Obi-Wan is arriving with Padme had some extra at the beginning, where Yoda's meditation is communicating with Qui-Gon. I don't remember if that bit was filmed and deleted from the final cut, only in the script / novelization or just communicated by official sources.

The real question is how did Anakin appear at the end of ROTJ, unless he got help from Obi-Wan and Yoda.

I remember hearing Quai Gon's voice when Anakin rescues his mother. And Yoda states that he will show Obi-Wan how to convene with "an old friend" while they are on Senator Organa's ship. I gues it was mostly the disappearing body I wasn't clear about. If that was not a learned technique at that time in okay with that.

So, Quai Gon learns the consciousness retention and voice communication portion, then Yoda and Obi-Wan take it to the vanoshing body & force ghost level? I'm down with that explanation. So could a Jedi consciousness (Yoda or Obi-Wan) contact another sufficiently strong jedi consciousness and show it (Anakin) how to convene with the other side?

Thanks Bloomy.

#42 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13630 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

bardockkun

Posted 26 December 2017 - 11:17 PM

Saw it today and my honest real disappointment in the movie was that Smoak wasn't over 50 feet tall like his hologram in TFA implies. Besides that it was Star Wars and I don't understand the people bitching about how it "raped their childhood" or whatever.



#43 M2003  

Posted 27 December 2017 - 12:51 AM

I remember hearing Quai Gon's voice when Anakin rescues his mother. And Yoda states that he will show Obi-Wan how to convene with "an old friend" while they are on Senator Organa's ship. I gues it was mostly the disappearing body I wasn't clear about. If that was not a learned technique at that time in okay with that.

So, Quai Gon learns the consciousness retention and voice communication portion, then Yoda and Obi-Wan take it to the vanoshing body & force ghost level? I'm down with that explanation. So could a Jedi consciousness (Yoda or Obi-Wan) contact another sufficiently strong jedi consciousness and show it (Anakin) how to convene with the other side?

Thanks Bloomy.

 

What Bloomy said is correct.  Qui gon didn't finish is training that's why he couldn't manifest his ghost, only his voice. Qui gon instructed Yoda  to go to Dagobah(that's how yoda learn about Dagobah) and would tell him where to go next to learn how to manifest his identity after death. All this is explained in the final 3 episodes of clone wars, which is cannon.  Everyone should see it. He goes through some weird stuff and meets darth bane.



#44 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 27 December 2017 - 02:25 AM

What Bloomy said is correct. Qui gon didn't finish is training that's why he couldn't manifest his ghost, only his voice. Qui gon instructed Yoda to go to Dagobah(that's how yoda learn about Dagobah) and would tell him where to go next to learn how to manifest his identity after death. All this is explained in the final 3 episodes of clone wars, which is cannon. Everyone should see it. He goes through some weird stuff and meets darth bane.

Cool. I think I only made it to season 2. There are 6 seasons correct? So I have a ways to go. Might be my new meal time 30 minute tv catch up show. Or I might binge it.

#45 M2003  

Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:09 AM

Cool. I think I only made it to season 2. There are 6 seasons correct? So I have a ways to go. Might be my new meal time 30 minute tv catch up show. Or I might binge it.

 

yes, 6 seasons. Binge it! that's the way of the force lol



#46 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 27 December 2017 - 07:18 AM

Was over at cousins and they were going to go see it and asked if I wanted to come along. I warned them it was a polarizing film but being a big Star Wars fan decided to take them up on their offer. We saw it in IMAX 3D, although not true IMAX but was fairly well presented presentation of the movie.
giphy.gif

Yeah so I felt like some action scenes were amazing and then some scenes it was a fan fiction free foreall.

Soooo, minor scene - as most of the other stuff have been talked about in this thread - how did Leia not know the shuttle coming in was friendly. Wouldn't her power with the force give her a friendly premonition? I mean she even says they're coming as like she knows who were going to be going under the big massive door. Then everyone shoots at the hull and they just put up their hands and say don't shoot... Oh Fuck, a blaster just shot my freakin' hand off!

Also that whole Rey "training" sequence was horse shit and shits on years of SW lore/media. That and Rey is super powerful but if it is true that her parents are nobody special - on the Force side of thing - then that's a big slap in the face to all the previous SW fans. I hope it was a lie, if they reveal more for the last Episode and have conclusions to the many plot holes in Episode 8 I'm gonna laugh because only SW would try to do that shit. You know Jumper tried to stretch shit out and yeah there's no Jumper 2 or Jumper 3 (it was originally envisioned as a trilogy) with multiple reasons why the film didn't work was because of the editing that kept the stuff you would have cared about out of the film. Obviously Star Wars has more leeway but ultimately Disney will just alienate fans (as they've already done with VIII).

Soooo, Rey is super powerful and without any proper training on how to withhold her temptation to the Dark side (with the terror in Luke's eyes when he observes this, he's thinking oh no here we go again). The bridge between Rey & Kylo was created via Snoke - who doesn't see his ultimate demise but the emperor saw that Luke would kill him - and then later on they're still seeing into each other's perspectives so what, once you open it you can't turn it off lol. Rey is showering and turns around with a pervy Kylo looking at her. Hey! lol wtf.

The casino scene felt like a forced we need to show more of the galaxy's creatures and species (as we're too human heavy with Rey/Luke/Kylo/Hux/Resistance/Leia. I agree a lot of that disposition could have been served with some more dialogue in the prison cell but I felt they added that all in for excitement. Following a Jedi around/ training montages and the slowly-moving-to-the-right cruiser aren't the most exciting things on screen. DJ's character is a skimp of mystery and just ultimately a crooked mercenary like the ones that are seen on that whole casino side quest?! How's the guy with the lapel, why was he said to be the only one to be used. I'm guessing he's the only one trustworthy amongst the populace of code crackers but then again that wasn't even hinted at. Maybe he was the only one known to be really good, who knows.

AND THEN, you have hyper-space, flying fucking ships that fire massive plasma bursts, electrified weapons, force shields, etc but we still have WWII flying bombers flying from one direction on one plane, WW1 like trenches and charge at the enemy at a frontal attacking point tactics. Red salt spewing flying junk vehicles shit because what, that was the only way they could fly?! I mean and then you have the little flying red salt spewing junk vehicles that all scatter, in a derpy oh shit we're just fling into a firing squad, I would have never seen that one coming, except one that is going in a straight fucking line and doesn't get shot (not once from a big ass AT-AT) ... we can't hit him he's too small, do you know about area of effect attacks lol... No, instead Fin gets sideswiped from Rose's (another forgettable character - who according to Wikipedia is "the first Asian-American woman to play a leading role in a Star Wars film" so that explains it) vehicle - which mathematically would have to have been going faster than Fin's vehicle because she T-boned him to stop him from kamikazee-ing the big LoTR like "Battering Ram" laser.

Then you have overly cute designed fucking Porgs (with giant eyes). And they're the symbol of the Light Side of the Force and not those crystal wolves!? Chewbacca doesn't eat one, they then infest the ship and are implanted in as comedy scenes to try and get Star Wars to be more like those hot selling comedic Marvel movies. Blugh

Then Luke just fades away at the end because he overexerted himself with the distraction? Did you do your force projection stretches? - Just go back to your stone hut and sleep it off Luke! Lol, oh it was that extra force projection of the thing you gave Leia (which she held in her hands btw) - that did it wasn't it.
Lol, wtf is going on?!

Then Holdo is given command - even though Poe was being groomed by Leia to succeed her - and plans to run away - meanwhile the New Order can't jump in front of them or have reinforcements jump in front of them? - & ultimately decides to kamikazee into Snoke's ship... Ok, soooo if you wanted to do that as an attack, why didn't they implement this to a missle or X-Wing - don't get me started with the bowling ball mines from the beginning of the movie? Second, why do you need to have someone as important to sit in the chair and hit a bunch of buttons on a screen to commit suicide. Also what's up with this chick being the only one to be walking around in a gown/dress thing with purple hair. There's that whole thing where she continues to point out Poe's demotion in front of the bridge personal and not discussing their current plans with him. With the mutiny scene, nobody died until Holdo instigated it, #Hanshotfirst, and I don't get the whole door being cut open like an empirical boarding party only to be shown oh no it's just Leia force willled it into pieces. That and wow did I just burst out laughing when fully intact but jettisoned into space Leia just pulled herself back - Superman style mind you - into the ship with the force.

They have a beacon active and they're wondering how they're bring tracked!? Seriously, set the beacon on a planet so only the planet is compromised and not the entire fleet. I'm pretty sure Finn was trying to do that but Rose never let him and assumed because he left the NO and was near an escape pod that he was running again.

Phasma... Phasma who?

God damn it, I think I'm going to go back and just watch Clone Wars and that's it. Star Wars is dead. It's alright if you liked it but I felt there were more holes than what they created. What a cluster Fuck.
/rant

#47 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:40 PM

Yeah, I honestly don't understand the reviews it got because this is the second time I feel like Star Wars has been empty and a complete mess after Rogue One last year. The Force Awakens was great because it gave us the supporting characters we needed but not as a focus. Rey and Kylo are the only interesting new characters (other than the droids and fluffy creatures) that need to be focused on and the rest need to benchwarm at this point.

 

Think about Luke's friends from ANH, how Biggs and Wedge are his best friends and end up being wingmates during a pivotal battle. They're not explained or shown at all up to that point, only mentioned in dialogue from Luke because something triggered a memory for him. Poe and Finn are useless and the more they try cram these guys in as an afterthought, the more the movies are going to suffer for it. Rose is just more proof that useless characters breed more useless screen time that amounts to nothing. Good point about the "Marvel humor" btw, I knew something was off with it and now it all makes sense.



#48 ubiquetous  

ubiquetous

Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:55 PM

I agree with all of these plot holes other posters have pointed out.

As far as Holdo's attire ... Mon Mothma? But yes, I feel like there's forced diversity across this film. I didn't feel that way with the characters in Rogue One.

It seems that TLJ failed on several fronts because of elements that were forced, instead of focusing what makes star wars star wars. Forced diversity. Forced humor. Forced creature. Jam this story line in there. Let's make up a live sorry where there isn't one. Etcetera. Etcetera.

This may be another point that is filled in by the extended universe so feel free to point me in the right direction. But why does Rey's lineage matter? I didn't think Jedi were bred in the manner that the Bene Gesserit tried to control blood lines and produce the Kwisatz Haderach. It's a mean insult by Kylo Ren I get that, and of course everyone would like to know who Rey's parents/family are. But I thought being sufficiently force sensitive is just a breeding accident in the same manner as being born with blue eyes or having the genetic predisposition to be tall. Parents have children and some have trait X by luck of the draw. Anakin was some messianic immaculate conception. But in general being force sensitive wasn't necessarily dependent on either the socioeconomic status of your parents or their being Jedi.e4677bfc24948c25f38ced4ec1d586a0.jpg

#49 Bloomy   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5655 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:54 PM

This may be another point that is filled in by the extended universe so feel free to point me in the right direction. But why does Rey's lineage matter? I didn't think Jedi were bred in the manner that the Bene Gesserit tried to control blood lines and produce the Kwisatz Haderach. It's a mean insult by Kylo Ren I get that, and of course everyone would like to know who Rey's parents/family are. But I thought being sufficiently force sensitive is just a breeding accident in the same manner as being born with blue eyes or having the genetic predisposition to be tall. Parents have children and some have trait X by luck of the draw. Anakin was some messianic immaculate conception. But in general being force sensitive wasn't necessarily dependent on either the socioeconomic status of your parents or their being Jedi.

Her lineage matters because it's a dangling plot point and the Internet loves to ponder.  And people will be happy to be declared an online "prophet" if they are able to randomly pick what is eventually revealed to be the correct answer, if one is ever given.

 

Given past Jedi dogma as presented in the prequels, there was little opportunity for Force sensitivity to be passed, given the Jedi's supposed celibacy.  Though that flies in the face of a line from ROTJ that I was disappointed with not getting more background on in ROTS - "The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him."  I hoped that would be touched upon, perhaps an expansion of the Chosen One prophecy, but nothing.  I think it was the Dark Empire II graphic novel series in the 90s that had a holocron prophecy about a pair of twins saving the galaxy from darkness.  I don't think it touched on Anakin / Vader, but it's been a long time since I read it and I don't feel like digging through wikis to find it.  It's no longer canon anyway, just wanted to mention an apparent contradiction between what was in the OT vs. the PT.

 

Anakin's conception is seen by some as the Force's anticipatory reaction to the actions of Plagueis and Palpatine.  Snoke mentioned in TLJ that he expected the Force to provide a Light Side counter to Kylo Ren, expecting it to be Luke.  But perhaps the Force provided Rey as the counter, creating her before anyone saw the need for her.



#50 mossyness  

mossyness

Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:08 PM

My 7 year old did not like the movie and was mad at Luke for not really fighting. TLJ failed at capturing the imagination of a child who loves Star Wars. I just hope that the next movie is able to recapture the sense of mystery and adventure that TLJ was lacking

#51 M2003  

Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:14 AM

Soooo, minor scene - as most of the other stuff have been talked about in this thread - how did Leia not know the shuttle coming in was friendly. Wouldn't her power with the force give her a friendly premonition? I mean she even says they're coming as like she knows who were going to be going under the big massive door. Then everyone shoots at the hull and they just put up their hands and say don't shoot... Oh Fuck, a blaster just shot my freakin' hand off!

  Not spoilers. Trying not to make a long thread

 

Spoiler

 

 

Then you have overly cute designed fucking Porgs (with giant eyes). And they're the symbol of the Light Side of the Force and not those crystal wolves!? Chewbacca doesn't eat one, they then infest the ship and are implanted in as comedy scenes

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 Then Luke just fades away at the end because he overexerted himself with the distraction? Did you do your force projection stretches? - Just go back to your stone hut and sleep it off Luke! Lol, oh it was that extra force projection of the thing you gave Leia (which she held in her hands btw) - that did it wasn't it.
Lol, wtf is going on?!

 

Spoiler

 

 

 Then Holdo is given command - even though Poe was being groomed by Leia to succeed her

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

meanwhile the New Order can't jump in front of them or have reinforcements jump in front of them?

good point. maybe they were enjoying them suffer in despair and toying with them. or too dumb haha

 

 

 

& ultimately decides to kamikazee into Snoke's ship... Ok, soooo if you wanted to do that as an attack, why didn't they implement this to a missle or X-Wing - don't get me started with the bowling ball mines from the beginning of the movie?

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 There's that whole thing where she continues to point out Poe's demotion in front of the bridge personal and not discussing their current plans with him

she did that so he could remember why and who did that and inserting her authority. She didn't need to tell him the plan. only other trustworthy, high rank officers could know. It was a need to know basis. doubt she would trust a hot headed dude who disregarded an order from leai and got a lot of people dead.

 

 



#52 M2003  

Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:16 AM

With the mutiny scene, nobody died until Holdo instigated it,

she didn't killed anybody. she stunned him. that's why you see the bluish circles coming out her gun.

did I just burst out laughing when fully intact but jettisoned into space Leia just pulled herself back - Superman style mind you - into the ship with the force.

 
yeah.. that was poorly executed. looked kinda weird.

They have a beacon active and they're wondering how they're bring tracked!? Seriously, set the beacon on a planet so only the planet is compromised and not the entire fleet. I'm pretty sure Finn was trying to do that but Rose never let him and assumed because he left the NO and was near an escape pod that he was running again.

​They weren't being tracked because of rey's home beacon.
Finn was leaving because they couldn't let rey know  what was happening and wanted to leave to a safe place so when rey came back the beacon would lead her to a safe place and not  in the middle of a war zone.

Phasma... Phasma who?

​phasma was like bobba fett. appeared in some scenes and died falling down


#53 Navex   The Media Jerk CAGiversary!   1185 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:57 AM

Technically Fett lived in the original canon, but now that Disney runs things I presume they kept him dead.



#54 M2003  

Posted 30 December 2017 - 04:13 AM

Technically Fett lived in the original canon, but now that Disney runs things I presume they kept him dead.

 

the EU(now called legends) was never officially canon so it really doesn't count. After ROTJ his story ended. But who knows now, before they decided on doing the han solo and obi wan movie they also had boba fett for a stand alone movie. until they scratch it off for the obi wan movie.



#55 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 31 December 2017 - 03:13 AM

 

she didn't killed anybody. she stunned him. that's why you see the bluish circles coming out her gun.
 
​They weren't being tracked because of rey's home beacon.
Finn was leaving because they couldn't let rey know  what was happening and wanted to leave to a safe place so when rey came back the beacon would lead her to a safe place and not  in the middle of a war zone.
​phasma was like bobba fett. appeared in some scenes and died falling down

 

Holdo instigated a distraction where all hell broke loose. It was calm and orderly before when Poe relinquished a failing commander's position. Holdo's takeover was only stopped by Leia who miraculously came out of her coma and again miraculously laser edged open the door.

 

Bobba Fett had more character development than Phasma, there's a ton of characters that didn't have any character development. It's just plain weird. I suppose since we never saw her die Phasma could still be alive according to movie rules.

 

Technically Fett lived in the original canon, but now that Disney runs things I presume they kept him dead.

There's rumors that Fett will make an appearance in the Han Solo standalone movie so I guess we'll see what they'll do. Although I'll care less, don't have any desire to see Ep 9.



#56 M2003  

Posted 31 December 2017 - 08:44 PM

Holdo instigated a distraction where all hell broke loose. It was calm and orderly before when Poe relinquished a failing commander's position. Holdo's takeover was only stopped by Leia who miraculously came out of her coma and again miraculously laser edged open the door.

 

Bobba Fett had more character development than Phasma, there's a ton of characters that didn't have any character development. It's just plain weird. I suppose since we never saw her die Phasma could still be alive according to movie rules.

 

    Don't see the point you're trying to make in the first sentence but poe's takeover was calm because he betrayed them from the back so there wasn't any fight while holdo was held captive so the only way to get out was fighting. I don't think leia herself was the one that lasered the door, more so holdo and her group using whatever tool they used for the laser and leia luckily woke up at the right moment.

 

How can you say fett had more character development when he barely spoke more than a couple of lines, appeared briefly in scenes and was mostly standing around almost motionless observing and receiving orders. the other character people complain about character development is snoke. I wish they had said more about him but he is what the emperor was in the OT. Before the prequels that took 15-20 yrs to make we didn't know anything about the emperor. Who he was, how he was the emperor, why he was vaders master or how? why he was there? and died as easily as snoke but I don't see anybody complaining when they're the same. 



#57 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 January 2018 - 01:56 AM

Um I don't buy it & the Emperor had waaaay more movie time than Snoke did.



#58 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 01 January 2018 - 05:36 PM

How can you say fett had more character development when he barely spoke more than a couple of lines, appeared briefly in scenes and was mostly standing around almost motionless observing and receiving orders.

Because characters naturally belonging in a story do things without having to say it. Boba was summoned by the Empire (which goes to show the amount of faith placed in that character) to track the Rebels and has ulterior motives with the bounty on Han. He doesn't contribute necessarily to the capture of Solo, but he does put into motion all the events back on Tatooine which ends up being a huge part of the main story. What exactly does Phasma do with all her screen time? Absolutely nothing.



#59 Spybreak9   $exy Game Scholar CAGiversary!   9435 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:05 PM

This guy gets it. In one word, Directionless.
Spoiler


#60 Temporaryscars   Talks like a Dalek CAGiversary!   23343 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

Temporaryscars

Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:38 AM

Every few years I like to log into CAG and see if OTTs are still a thing. Yup, still a thing. Amazing.