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#10891 jlabeau  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:26 PM

How will $1 gamepass month work (assuming it will since I think I did the 1 month trial for $1 before) if I have Gold until November? Is it still converting your gold to Ultimate? I want to try Gamepass but with all the rumors about Gold I’m not sure what to do. I could just buy another year of gold or cash in some bing points for 3 months of Gold or whatever if It will convert. I know no one has any concrete answers about the future of Gold and Gamepass but I just wanted some insight.

#10892 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14894 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

bardockkun

Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:48 PM

Wall of text I didn't read past the first two sentences because I really don't care that much.

Higher price difference, mandatory Kinect, and misinformation about used games. All of those never really got them at the starting gate for about a year and even than gave them a long running stigma.

#10893 Strider Turbulence EX  

Strider Turbulence EX

Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:55 PM

100000% wrooonnnggg. What completely destroyed xbox this gen was a lack of any games to play that people actually cared about though out this generation and that falls squarely on the shoulders of dumb dumb Phil Spencer. PS3 had the most disastrous launch in video game history, nearly bankrupting the entire Sony company. In an alternate timeline this would have happened if not for the great minds of Kaz Hirai, Jack Trenton and Andrew House which saw them turn around the most disastrous console launch in history and actually out sell the xbox 360 despite being the dominant console for most that generation. PS3 got swan swongs like The Last of Us which catapulted the PS4. Where is the Xbox One's swan song? 7 years later and Phil Spencer's great crowning achievement to this generation is Voodoo Vince!? We're at the advent of a new console generation and Halo has never looked or ran more like dogshit. Ryse Son of Rome from 2013 looks more like a next gen game than Halo Infinite does. What has Phil Spencer been doing for the past 7 years? This generation did not have to go down the way it did. Time to stop blaming Don Mattick and realize that his successor is nothing more than a snake oil salesman. Xbox fans deserve better!

Honestly, MS in general seems to have not really cared much about games since Kinect in 2010.

 

Xbox really had  an image problem this gen that Microsoft didn't seem to care to address it. Every time the Xbox has no xclusives argument came up they should have been talking about the X1 exclusives and promoting stuff like D4 instead of letting it die in obscurity.

 

 

Gamers also have the memories of goldfish and I always hear about how Sony is where you always go for fighting games and xbox  never catered to this. I remember back in the OG xbox days when Guilty Gear X2#Reload, SVC Chaos, KOF Neowave etc were released only on Xbox in North America because Sony USA wouldn't approve them for playstation. Not to mention all xbox ports of fighters with netplay, however primitive it was. And just last gen the xbox 360 was THE tournament standard for most fighting games with the ps3  ports being littered with shit like input lag (which is still in a thing in SFV on ps4 compared to the PC version).



#10894 Bryson   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   302 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:04 PM

Higher price difference, mandatory Kinect, and misinformation about used games. All of those never really got them at the starting gate for about a year and even than gave them a long running stigma.

Higher price difference aka $599 didn't stop the PS3 from continuing to fight throughout the entire generation to regain the consumers trust and it ended up being a pretty damn good one and it catapulted them into the stratosphere.  If all it took to sink Xbox this gen was  a meme of someone handing over a used game to another person then the Xbox never stood a chance. Let's call a spade, a spade. Xbox failed this generation because they gave up. Who goes around cancelling games for a console that's starving and desperate for games? That falls on Phil Spencer.  Xbox One X is the greatest console ever created. It was a disservice to the fans to not have the games to go along with this monster hardware.

 

Remember that Xbox original plan was to allow sharing of your digital library with up to 10 friends. That is infinitely better than passing around a used disc amongst your friends before they scrapped that idea. I guess MS just suck at marketing. They can't even up together a single simple conference to get people hyped for next gen.



#10895 LoganDX   Five by Five, B CAGiversary!   1936 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:21 PM

Blah blah, Phil is the devil, blah


Phil managed MS Studios until 2014 when he was put in the lead position of the Xbox group. Considering the X1 came out the year prior, really can't throw all that shade on one man walking into a cluster bomb of shit. You want to blame somebody? Try the "get over it" tweets or perhaps the guy leading the project until he jumped to Zynga? Dan Mattrick. That guy did more damage to the console than Phil

#10896 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9962 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:26 PM

Blah, blah, blah...

GamePass is the Xbox One’s swan song. It’s given me more reason to stick with Xbox than anything else. I’ve discovered more great games that I would have probably never even noticed due to GP. There are more games that should be experienced other than just a few “exclusives”.

#10897 whitereflection   Shake well before serving CAGiversary!   5726 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

whitereflection

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:30 PM

Phil managed MS Studios until 2014 when he was put in the lead position of the Xbox group. Considering the X1 came out the year prior, really can't throw all that shade on one man walking into a cluster bomb of shit. You want to blame somebody? Try the "get over it" tweets or perhaps the guy leading the project until he jumped to Zynga? Dan Mattrick. That guy did more damage to the console than Phil

That was six years ago. Phil walked into a shitfest, but six years is an eternity in the tech industry, and Xbox still has nothing to show for it other than the old warhorses they always relied on. Their best first-party game is a racing game. This isn't 2000 anymore where photorealistic cars sell consoles by the truckload.

#10898 bee01   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   811 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:40 PM

Was thinking of getting the Dishonored complete collection, but I see that it's $17.99 on PSN versus $23.99 on Xbox.



#10899 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9962 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:40 PM

You just proved quite a few people's points. When the only defense you have of MS/Xbox is "Gamepass", there's something wrong.

When the biggest news of your generation or tenure is: Backwards Compatibility, Ports of previous exclusives from other systems, and a live gaming streaming service, you're doing it wrong.


No, my point was that people only playing a few high profile games are “doing it wrong”. There’s so much more out there to be experienced. And MS is providing the value to do that.

#10900 camperinabush   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1328 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

camperinabush

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:47 PM

There is no way to defend Microsoft and their lack of 1st party development...none. It’s like they have done everything else except fix the elephant in the room. Game Pass is great, but what if it can’t be sustained?

Playing through Ghost of Tsushima, I kept thinking about how far ahead the Sony IPs are. I love the Xbox ecosystem, but games I truly care about and connect with are on PlayStation. The only first party Xbox game currently out that remotely interests me is Grounded. I thought Sunset Overdrive was good and unique, but look at how that went.

I would love to give benefit of the doubt to Xbox with next-gen, but it’s tough believe that they will put out meaningful and polished games.

#10901 deszaras   Wait...what? CAGiversary!   1256 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

deszaras

Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:48 PM

No, my point was that people only playing a few high profile games are “doing it wrong”. There’s so much more out there to be experienced. And MS is providing the value to do that.


I got Spider-man when it dropped in price and lost interest in it. I’m not saying it was bad, but it felt like a poor attempt to capture what the Arkham games did. On the other side, I never would have played A plague’s Tale: Innocence if it hadn’t been for Gamepass. What a incredible and moving story. That’s just one example of using your comparison which I totally agree with.

#10902 Strider Turbulence EX  

Strider Turbulence EX

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:05 PM

Battletoads is out now  I think? 10GB install and there are already a ton of reviews.

 

 

edit: Nah, just a pre-download with a shit ton of reviews for some reason.



#10903 Tyrok   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2776 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:18 PM

You can blame failures of both the Xbox One and the Wii U on the success of their predecessors. Microsoft and Nintendo thought they were in a no-lose situation with Wii selling 100 million in 7 years and Kinect selling 24 million in 2 years. Too many people thought the Wii U was an add-on for the Wii and most people were over Kinect in general by the time the One came out. That or they never saw that Microsoft reversed their no-used games idea.



#10904 bee01   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   811 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:19 PM

I'm looking forward to trying out Man of Medan.  Unfortunately it doesn't sound like it's as good as the developer's previous effort Until Dawn, which ended up being a surprise favorite of mine on PS4.



#10905 camperinabush   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1328 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

camperinabush

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:33 PM

You can blame failures of both the Xbox One and the Wii U on the success of their predecessors. Microsoft and Nintendo thought they were in a no-lose situation with Wii selling 100 million in 7 years and Kinect selling 24 million in 2 years. Too many people thought the Wii U was an add-on for the Wii and most people were over Kinect in general by the time the One came out. That or they never saw that Microsoft reversed their no-used games idea.


Maybe early on this is true for the Xbox One, but the lack of effort to put out quality first party games really doomed them. If you ask people about the current generation, the absence of Xbox exclusives almost always comes up.

The Wii U was a marketing disaster all around, but it’s actually a great device with virtual console, something the Switch lacks.

#10906 Zantra  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:39 PM

I am also having download issues, and issues with games loading/crashing. PSO2 won't even download the necessary update to play. My Xbox has also been stuck updating at 47% for the past hour.

#10907 The Buffmuffin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   199 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

The Buffmuffin

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:39 PM

I know the Spotlight titles are what counts towards the $50 spend Requirement for the reward points. Will any other titles be joining this list? Currently only interested in Amalur

#10908 Zantra  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:42 PM

I know the Spotlight titles are what counts towards the $50 spend Requirement for the reward points. Will any other titles be joining this list? Currently only interested in Amalur

Amalur isn't counting for some reason. I had to contact Microsoft, and they said that they would add $40 to my total, but that never happened, and it's been two days since I bought the game.

#10909 Zantra  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:43 PM

Maybe early on this is true for the Xbox One, but the lack of effort to put out quality first party games really doomed them. If you ask people about the current generation, the absence of Xbox exclusives almost always comes up.
The Wii U was a marketing disaster all around, but it’s actually a great device with virtual console, something the Switch lacks.

I love my Wii U, it's the only way to watch Crunchyroll for free without commercials, the app has a glitch that skips the commercials. So, it's like having the paid membership for free.

#10910 Bryson   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   302 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:52 PM

I'm downloading Battletoads at 75 Mbps as we speak...



#10911 Miker525  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:54 PM

You just proved quite a few people's points. When the only defense you have of MS/Xbox is "Gamepass", there's something wrong.

When the biggest news of your generation or tenure is: Backwards Compatibility, Ports of previous exclusives from other systems, and a live gaming streaming service, you're doing it wrong.


I mean I'd say quite the opposite using your exact same points. Microsoft launched xbone as a complete and utter shit show. No one is ever going to deny that. Then Phil came in. At the time the goal was salvage and save the Xbox brand and that is exactly what he has done. Has Xbone had many great exclusives this gen? Absolutely not. But they've done every single other step right. I'm not sure why their "swan song" has to be an exclusive game?

Giving me full access to my Xbox game purchased covering almost all of my digital 360 titles and a number of original Xbox titles, all enhanced, with more bc coming next gen is incredible. That's like the blessing of PC gaming. Maybe it's not interesting for most but it's incredibly often my friends and I break out old games to play together. The fact that now I can just launch them from my modern system and not have to break out my PS3, PS2 like PlayStation going with is fucking incredible. The fact that I can live stream any game I own, or screw it games I don't own and play them anywhere from my phone - is fucking awesome. Gamepass is unquestionably the best deal in gaming. I have already saved a boatload of money thanks to gamepass plus I've been able to try out games I'd have otherwise not ever looked at - and have since thoroughly enjoyed. It's an insane deal.

And so sure MS doesn't have many exclusives this gen that I've been interested. But so what? They've built an eco system where almost every game I'm buying is on Xbox as I know going generations forward I'll be able to play them all no problem - with the sole exception of PlayStation exclusives obviously. And during that time MS bought I mean idek what 15-20 studios. All those exclusives which will be coming next gen now that they own all of these studios I'll be able to get as exclusives. And I won't have to spend a dime on them to get them on launch day. including games from Obsidian.

Yeah no one's going to deny Xbox lacked exclusives this gen. But they came back in a way I didn't expect nor thought possible. They had so many "swan songs" it's mind boggling.

Now maybe none of that matters to you, or others here. You like your AAA exclusives and honestly that's great. I thought Ghost of Tsushima was a bit lackluster but Last Of Us 2 was amazing as were a number of other PS exclusives this gen. But I definitely like to play way beyond just those prestige and AAA titles and Xbox is a way better place for me to do that now. Which is the last thing I thought I'd be saying at the beginning of this generation

#10912 adonfraz   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   552 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:57 PM

You do realize that the PS4 destroyed the Xbox One in sales this generation and part of that reason is no variety in games, right? If you wanted to play Yakuza and Final Fantasy VII you would have bought a PS4. The people that actually buy consoles for these types of games aren't going to wait years for them to finally be ported over to Xbox. Microsoft would do better to invest money in good Japanese exclusives instead of substandard first party titles that no one wants to play. Other than Halo, Gears,a and Forza I'm willing to bet most if not all of their first party games sold below 200,000.

 

The Xbox One was $100 more than the PS4 and weaker.

 

It also had the fallout of the Xbox One reveal and DRM attached to it.

 

I love Japanese developed games as much as anyone but for the vast majority they are not system sellers unless it's a Nintendo IP.

 

 

Other than Halo, Gears,a and Forza I'm willing to bet most if not all of their first party games sold below 200,000.

 

Sea of Thieves has sold over 1M copies on Steam alone.

 

I have no doubt both Ori titles surpassed 200K and Grounded is a huge hit already.

 

Ryse Son of Rome & Dead Rising 3 did as well.



#10913 LoganDX   Five by Five, B CAGiversary!   1936 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:59 PM

That was six years ago. Phil walked into a shitfest, but six years is an eternity in the tech industry, and Xbox still has nothing to show for it other than the old warhorses they always relied on. Their best first-party game is a racing game. This isn't 2000 anymore where photorealistic cars sell consoles by the truckload.


You forget the idiocy of the "console wars" and how people used the bad image of that initial reveal, Mattrick's many bs comments and the fact that people love to hate on things no matter what. Phil has been facing a sea of negative backlash still tied to that crap he walked into.

Xbox 1 has back compat, Sony "fanboys" and anybody wanting to stir shit up said it was stupid, that is until PS5 was said to have it.

Nintendo and Microsoft teaming up on cross platform? People hated on that.
Game Pass? Gets shit as if this isn't the killer app Sony has tried to get off the ground for years. PS Now, which I tried, does not compete. PlayStation Plus vs Live? Still blind hatred over the initial reveal. People in this own thread can't wait to spit on Xbox when we're in the XBL Deals thread. So much of the good will of the 360 was burnt on the X1 reveal.

Yeah 6 years is an eternity, unless Twitter wants to keep fighting over shit that happened 7 years ago.

#10914 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9962 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:00 PM

Battletoads downloaded for me but gives me an error when I try to launch it. I mean it is two weeks early. But doesn’t give me the usual “it’s too early” error either. Hmmm...

#10915 Bryson   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   302 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:10 PM

You can blame failures of both the Xbox One and the Wii U on the success of their predecessors. Microsoft and Nintendo thought they were in a no-lose situation with Wii selling 100 million in 7 years and Kinect selling 24 million in 2 years. Too many people thought the Wii U was an add-on for the Wii and most people were over Kinect in general by the time the One came out. That or they never saw that Microsoft reversed their no-used games idea.

Funny you should bring up the Wii U as both the Wii U and Xbox One failed for almost the exact same reasons. Under powered hardware, lack of games and terrible marketing. Xbox One was woefully underpowered  trying to be anything other than a gaming console and let's not forget TV TV TV! I fail to believe that Kinect sunk the Xbox. Anyone that tried it can tell you it was a lot of fun. It was basically like a Wii without needing Wii motes. Xbox actually started this generation with the better exclusives. Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall and Quantum Break were great games. Much better than Knack and Killzone on the PS4 that's for sure. PS4 real exclusive didn't come until a couple of years later with Bloodborne and once they started they didn't stop. Ratchet, HZD, Persona, God of War, Spider-Man, etc... every year there was at least one great must have exclusive. It's like MS just forgot they had to continue making games.

 

Wii U for all intents and purposes should have a been a major success. It was basically a more powerful Wii and fully backwards compatible. The problem? Lack of games and one of the only nintendo consoles to not have a mainline Mario and Zelda games. Look at the Switch. It started off the the generation with Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild and proceeded to sell like gangbusters. Videogames sell consoles. Who would have thought?



#10916 Bryson   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   302 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:12 PM

Battletoads downloaded for me but gives me an error when I try to launch it. I mean it is two weeks early. But doesn’t give me the usual “it’s too early” error either. Hmmm...

I just tried to start Battletoads and it's telling me,"You are too early"



#10917 kemosahbe  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:21 PM

Definitely seems to be slow on the download end for the past week or so. I've got 1Gbps internet and usually get well over 200Mbps on any Xbox download. Lately it's been around 15-30Mbps. PS4, Switch, PC are all running at their usual speeds. Hopefully it's over soon, I want to get back to downloading and uninstalling every game on Game Pass after playing for 10 minutes.



#10918 Tyrok   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2776 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:30 PM

If The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are swan songs then so is Halo Infinite. Unless Sony is crazy enough to not have either of those games be improved by being played on a PS5.



#10919 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9962 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:34 PM

Funny that I have a Wii U and while I haven’t played it a whole lot, I like it. Some of Switch’s best games have been Wii U ports. A shame it failed miserably.

I don’t know the numbers but pretty sure the Wii U was a much bigger flop than the Xbox One.

#10920 addicted2games   游戏玩家为生活 !! CAGiversary!   4297 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

addicted2games

Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:49 PM

Funny that I have a Wii U and while I haven’t played it a whole lot, I like it. Some of Switch’s best games have been Wii U ports. A shame it failed miserably.

I don’t know the numbers but pretty sure the Wii U was a much bigger flop than the Xbox One.

 

Wii U was the second lowest selling Nintendo system right above the Virtual Boy. Yes, it was more of a flop than the Xbox One which sold 50M compared to Wii U's 13M. I, too, thought the Wii U wasn't that bad of a system. I actually like it more than the Wii, but the Wii had tons more games obviously.  Wii U was way better with the pro controller than the gamepad it came with, IMO.