2 Explosions at Boston Marathon

[quote name='Spokker']They didn't. They are trolling.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I don't believe that's the case. There seem to be some people out who believe there's a secret cabal pulling the strings to cause tragedies like this. So, after every tragedy, they find these bizarre connections that are easy to make in hindsight so long as they fit their agenda. They apparently find it easier to believe there's some monolithic force with an identifiable goal in mind (who apparently let Seth MacFarlane in on their big, secret plan) rather than accepting that there are just horrible people out there that do disgusting things we'll never be able to understand.

We saw the same thing after Sandy Hook and Aurora.
 
Alex Jones & co are just different form of mediums. They're all skilled in lying their asses off but coming across sincere in the name of $$$$
It's like those Westboro baptist church, people actually believe they believe what they're saying. Of course they don't.
Too many idiots follow bandwagons, and go with what they think they should think. Not enough people say shit because it's true, it has to fit into a criteria or a set ideology first.
That's where all this political bullshit comes in.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Haha bro, you sure it's just a pinch?[/QUOTE]
I swear, it's sad how events like this can bring out the worst in people.
 
[quote name='Clak']I swear, it's sad how events like this can bring out the worst in people.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly why I don't regret partying it up instead of trolling the internet when 9/11 hit.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Correlation might not imply causation, but there's still a correlation, and statistics don't lie. Businesses around the world spends billions of dollars every year profiling people to better target consumers. And there's a reason they do it: it works. I don't care what you say: people from similar areas/cultures tend to think and act in similar ways.

So is the Muslim guy running from the scene guilty because he's Muslim? Of course not. But between the Muslim guy, the old white guy and the black lady, the Muslim guy is statistically more likely to be a terrorist.[/QUOTE]

Right exactly. This stuff is not hard to comprehend.
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']Actually i think one wonders why YOU hate America so much.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit dude, that was 6th grade lunchroom level right there. Got a good laugh out of it :lol:
 
Has Alex Jones started spinning up his BS machine saying the government caused the Waco Fertilizer Plant explosion to focus the country's attention to something other than Boston and the false flag that he uncovered?
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Correlation might not imply causation, but there's still a correlation, and statistics don't lie. Businesses around the world spends billions of dollars every year profiling people to better target consumers. And there's a reason they do it: it works. I don't care what you say: people from similar areas/cultures tend to think and act in similar ways.

So is the Muslim guy running from the scene guilty because he's Muslim? Of course not. But between the Muslim guy, the old white guy and the black lady, the Muslim guy is statistically more likely to be a terrorist.[/QUOTE]

So profile away. Tackling an injured man trying to escape a blast site with shrapnel and a leg wound because he looks middle eastern is acting on profiling. Profesional news agencies publishing his name as a person of interest and ransacking his apartment and harassing his roommate is acting on profiling. It would be like finding out that a black guy committed an armed robbery a few blocks away, and having civilians start tackling black guys running away from the shootout because they fit the description. That shit wouldn't fly, but since it's somehow less taboo to be racist against arabs in modern society than other minorities, fewer people get up in arms over it.

Stop and think about this one. An arab dude was running away from an explosion, injured...and people tackled him and held him down until authorities could escort him to the hospital and guard his room, while federal authorities go through his stuff. You Libertarians, right leaning Constitutionalists, really don't care about this assault on civil liberties? Don't tread on me...tread on that brown guy over there? You sure as shit will when it's a handful of white people being profiled, attacked, and searched.
 
[quote name='berzirk']You sure as shit will when it's a handful of white people being profiled, attacked, and searched.[/QUOTE]

Right because no white man has ever been wrongly accused or tried in the media due to profiling...

Hello "lone bomber" FBI profile....
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Right because no white man has ever been wrongly accused or tried in the media due to profiling...

Hello "lone bomber" FBI profile....[/QUOTE]

And a mob tackled him and held him down as he was running away from an explosion, injured, because his crime was looking fat and white? Boy, that's a dandy comparison. :roll:

[quote name='RealDeals']It's amazing the stuff that gets said about Muslims that nobody would say about any other group.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's because they clearly hate us for our freedoms. Did you know that their women can't walk down the street in nipple pasties and a thong!?

Kidding aside, it's pretty spectacular. It's either people who are racist against Arabs (but being racist is so un-PC these days), or they are prejudiced against Muslims. I have no problem with people thinking the religion is shit, that's their prerogative, but when folks are acting on their bigotry of followers of that faith, that's where you have a the potential for real civil liberty issues and oppression. I wonder how many anarchists and abortion clinic bomb suspects were tortured over the past ten years. Probably somewhere between zero and less than zero.

As a person who doesn't "look Muslim" I've heard some incredibly vile, bigoted, disgusting shit, from people I would have expected better from.
 
I wonder who will owe that Saudi student a APOLOGY for what happened to him, now that the FBI basically are looking for someone/s else...

Seriously, you think shit like that is going to go well with you, this is the same shit the USA pulls everytime they "accidentally" bombed/kill someone overseas. Oh well shit happens we are sorry, no hard feelings, here's $2000 bucks..

Very few people ever are born to hate or develop hate, but when things like this happens to a individual, I don't see how someone won't ever build a resentment.
 
I do wonder how one can profile a religion? Can you tell a Muslim from a Christian from a Buddhist from a Jew?

Basically it all boils down to a bomb went off, and the assumed skin color of the closest person that could be a muslim is responsible.
 
[quote name='berzirk']And a mob tackled him and held him down as he was running away from an explosion, injured, because his crime was looking fat and white? Boy, that's a dandy comparison. :roll:

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You see what is odd is that prior to 2000 if you asked someone to define who fits the lone wolf profile you would have generally gotten a white male (Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kaczynski) etc. Richard Jewell fit this description and despite actually being a hero he endured a hell that your Boston buddy will never know.

It's funny though that since 2000 domestic "lone wolves" have had a much different complexion and ideology.

I know... I know...
 
[quote name='Finger_Shocker']I do wonder how one can profile a religion? Can you tell a Muslim from a Christian from a Buddhist from a Jew?

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Actually "60% of the time [I can] every time".
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']Right exactly. This stuff is not hard to comprehend.[/QUOTE]

Setting 9/11 aside, why don't you remind me how many of these "Arab-looking males" has been responsible for bombings and attempted bombings over the last 25 years? Let's see we've got the shoe bomber, the times square bomber, and the first WTC bombing.

In that same time we've also had the Unabomber, the Oklahoma City bombings, Aurora shooter (who attempted to blow up his apartment building), Columbine (also attempted to detonate bombs), the Olympic Park bombing, and god knows how many abortion clinic bombings have happened...

So, once again, why are we tackling anyone based purely on race, simply because they're running away from a fucking bomb that just went off?

But yeah, better tackle the guy with the brown skin because "statistically speaking" he probably had more to do with it than the white guy.
 
When talking about terrorists, I find it amazing that no one ever brings up the IRA. Maybe it's just because I was a child of the 80's.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']You see what is odd is that prior to 2000 if you asked someone to define who fits the lone wolf profile you would have generally gotten a white male (Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kaczynski) etc. Richard Jewell fit this description and despite actually being a hero he endured a hell that your Boston buddy will never know.

It's funny though that since 2000 domestic "lone wolves" have had a much different complexion and ideology.

I know... I know...[/QUOTE]

But that is fine and dandy...

I don't see the USA rounding up "certain" white men and throwing them in Gitmo or some secret outside the USA location and calling them enemy combatants and too dangerous to be given a fair trial, and keeping them locked up for decades...

At least McVeigh got a fair trial, Anwar al-Aulaqi and his son also AMERICAN citizens didn't get that ? OBL got a bullet to the head.

And neither Anwar or his son or OBL actually killed Americans, sure they inspire others, but does being a good instigator deserves a non-trial death then someone who physically killed with their hands?
 
[quote name='berzirk']It would be like finding out that a black guy committed an armed robbery a few blocks away, and having civilians start tackling black guys running away from the shootout because they fit the description.[/QUOTE]

Of course they're going to fucking tackle them, they look like the suspect! If people saw a white dude with red hair running out of the Aurora theater after the shooting, do you expect them to ask for the dude's ID before restraining him? No, they're bringing down any mother fucker with any hair color other than brown or black.

Quit making this out to seem like this shit only happens to brown people. When you have mass hysteria at an accident, people are going to make all kinds of assumptions about the attacker and act accordingly. In their minds, it's better to tackle 5 innocent dudes than let the attacker get away.

And as far as the government goes, the government monitors anybody who is a suspect, not just brown people. If they would have tackled 2 white dudes as well as the Arab, they'd have been under surveillance too.

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[quote name='RedvsBlue']Setting 9/11 aside, why don't you remind me how many of these "Arab-looking males" has been responsible for bombings and attempted bombings over the last 25 years? Let's see we've got the shoe bomber, the times square bomber, and the first WTC bombing. [/QUOTE]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that most Muslims hate us, seeing as we're invading their countries and everything. It's the equivalent of being scared of Russian people during the cold war.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']You see what is odd is that prior to 2000 if you asked someone to define who fits the lone wolf profile you would have generally gotten a white male (Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kaczynski) etc. Richard Jewell fit this description and despite actually being a hero he endured a hell that your Boston buddy will never know.

It's funny though that since 2000 domestic "lone wolves" have had a much different complexion and ideology.

I know... I know...[/QUOTE]

Dude, your examples are always so helpful to strengthen my point. Thank you for not blocking me and continuing to post. You mean that OKC bombing which was first reported as the work of Muslims, by so-called terrorism experts and major news agencies?

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=1980

How did he become my buddy? Is he your enemy? Do you think wrongful human suffering is rad?

Who is bombing abortion clinics? I think we should start tackling fat, pasty, white people who walk down the street wearing a cross around their neck. Who knows if they're the next abortion clinic bomber, or Unabomber, or Atlanta Olympics bomber. You'd be find with that, right?
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Of course they're going to fucking tackle them, they look like the suspect! If people saw a white dude with red hair running out of the Aurora theater after the shooting, do you expect them to ask for the dude's ID before restraining him? No, they're bringing down any mother fucker with any hair color other than brown or black.

Quit making this out to seem like this shit only happens to brown people. When you have mass hysteria at an accident, people are going to make all kinds of assumptions about the attacker and act accordingly. In their minds, it's better to tackle 5 innocent dudes than let the attacker get away.

And as far as the government goes, the government monitors anybody who is a suspect, not just brown people. If they would have tackled 2 white dudes as well as the Arab, they'd have been under surveillance too.

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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that most Muslims hate us, seeing as we're invading their countries and everything. It's the equivalent of being scared of Russian people during the cold war.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure Homles was stopped cause he was wearing all black outfit with camo and armor and a giant napsack walking calmly to his car while everyone was running away scared shitless...

And that was the description given to the cops by eyewitnesses, not that it was someone with RED hair...
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']
Of course they're going to fucking tackle them, they look like the suspect! If people saw a white dude with red hair running out of the Aurora theater after the shooting, do you expect them to ask for the dude's ID before restraining him? No, they're bringing down any mother fucker with any hair color other than brown or black.[/QUOTE]

So right after the bombing, people already knew an Arab male was the culprit? Oh, then thankfully he was tackled and detained. Right after the Aurora shooting, everybody knew we were looking for a red head, so red heads should expect to be tackled? That's not how it works. If this Boston thing is by some white dude, then does that mean the next explosion that happens, all white people will be targets of mob justice and citizen arrests? I call dibs on detaining you (assuming you're white).

Quit making this out to seem like this shit only happens to brown people. When you have mass hysteria at an accident, people are going to make all kinds of assumptions about the attacker and act accordingly. In their minds, it's better to tackle 5 innocent dudes than let the attacker get away.
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Knee-jerk reactions that any bombing is done by Muslims is my point. The fact that white Muslims wouldn't get tackled running away, only brown-skinned Arab-looking males, just happens to be the case. Can we expand your idea of assuming guilt for 5 people to get one, to other forms of law enforcement? There's a shooter on the loose. Shoot 6 people who look like they have a gun, and there's a chance that one was the criminal!


It doesn't take a genius to figure out that most Muslims hate us, seeing as we're invading their countries and everything. It's the equivalent of being scared of Russian people during the cold war.
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I'll give you a chance to walk those comments back if better judgment kicks in. You really think MOST of the 1.2B Muslims on the planet hate us? 601M people? Based on what? Have you traveled to the Middle East or Muslim countries? Have you talked to Muslims there or here? Do you catch your Friday prayers at the mosque and hear the preacher go on about their hatred for the country? Do tell.
 
[quote name='berzirk']So right after the bombing, people already knew an Arab male was the culprit? Oh, then thankfully he was tackled and detained. Right after the Aurora shooting, everybody knew we were looking for a red head, so red heads should expect to be tackled? That's not how it works. If this Boston thing is by some white dude, then does that mean the next explosion that happens, all white people will be targets of mob justice and citizen arrests? I call dibs on detaining you (assuming you're white).[/QUOTE]

I didn't say anything about the bombing, I was counting your point of a black guy committing a robbery. And I wasn't at the Aurora shooting, but I assume that word spreads pretty quickly that a dude with red hair is killing people. And if you happen to look like a guy who just killed a bunch of people, then yes, you should expect to be tackled.

And if the next bombing is done by a super tall and skinny white guy with brown hair and you see me running away from the scene, yes, you may tackle me.


[quote name='berzirk']Knee-jerk reactions that any bombing is done by Muslims is my point. The fact that white Muslims wouldn't get tackled running away, only brown-skinned Arab-looking males, just happens to be the case. Can we expand your idea of assuming guilt for 5 people to get one, to other forms of law enforcement? There's a shooter on the loose. Shoot 6 people who look like they have a gun, and there's a chance that one was the criminal! [/QUOTE]

I'm 99% positive that any white dude running away in a turban would have been tackled as well. Again, not a brown people thing.

And who said anything about law enforcement? These were crowds of citizens, not law enforcement agents. If there was 20 police officers who tackled the guy, I could understand the concern. But we're not dealing with trained officers, we're dealing with a bunch of hysterical citizens.

Also, don't compare being shot to being tackled. Yes, being wrongly accused probably fucked that guys week up, but that's about it. The extent to which this man was harassed has also been grossly exaggerated.

[quote name='berzirk']I'll give you a chance to walk those comments back if better judgment kicks in. You really think MOST of the 1.2B Muslims on the planet hate us? 601M people? Based on what? Have you traveled to the Middle East or Muslim countries? Have you talked to Muslims there or here? Do you catch your Friday prayers at the mosque and hear the preacher go on about their hatred for the country? Do tell.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I apologize. I should have use "a lot" instead of "most". Although the way it's reported on the news, I would imagine most Americans think the latter.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Dude, your examples are always so helpful to strengthen my point. Thank you for not blocking me and continuing to post. You mean that OKC bombing which was first reported as the work of Muslims, by so-called terrorism experts and major news agencies?

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=1980

How did he become my buddy? Is he your enemy? Do you think wrongful human suffering is rad?

Who is bombing abortion clinics? I think we should start tackling fat, pasty, white people who walk down the street wearing a cross around their neck. Who knows if they're the next abortion clinic bomber, or Unabomber, or Atlanta Olympics bomber. You'd be find with that, right?[/QUOTE]

Why would I block another poster on CAG?

This is how I feel. Religion is stupid--yours, theirs, his, hers, it is all stupid (Just my opintion). But it is your right to practice whatever makes you feel good inside.

When white Christians go on killing sprees, blow up buildings, and do other extremely messed up things domestically they don't (usually) say that they did it to appease Jesus Christ. Sure you have your abortion clinics bombings and gay protests and other messed up stuff but then again those are issues that people already disagree upon AND people are going to be less disturbed (right or wrong) when a abortion clinic gets bombed then say an 8 year old boy watching his father cross the finish line at a marathon.

Now is it safe to say that White people are the majority demographic in the United States? And is it safe to say that Christianity is still the majority religion?

Now it makes sense to me that the majority population would be responsible for the majority of the crazy outlandish crimes. That means that yes white Christians are going to kill people. When the smoke settles, assuming they have a manifesto or go on a rant people think "they're dumb" "uneducated" "simple" "confused" "anti-government" "bigoted" "racists" or whatever and it is accepted.

Now when a Muslim (brown, white, whatever) does something horrendous and afterwards says something like:

"[I did this to] ....avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide"

or writes a letter stating:

"I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohamed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree."

it scares people. People can't comprehend that degree of evil and it is harder for them to accept or understand or rationalize.

Does that make it right? I don't think so....
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']And who said anything about law enforcement? These were crowds of citizens, not law enforcement agents. If there was 20 police officers who tackled the guy, I could understand the concern. But we're not dealing with trained officers, we're dealing with a bunch of hysterical citizens.[/QUOTE]

That's an area where I have major concerns. Law enforcement "guarded his hospital room" but the fact that a mob of scared people can tackle an innocent guy because he "looks guilty" because he's an Arab male, and there are not major repercussions, then what else can a mob do because they're scared? Seriously, to what level of violence and action, should we overlook their actions?

Yes, being wrongly accused probably fucked that guys week up, but that's about it. The extent to which this man was harassed has also been grossly exaggerated.
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And having his apartment torn apart, items removed, his roommate being harassed, having your name out as a suspected murderer, as reported by professional journalists? Man, I jam a finger or break a toe, and my week is kinda fucked up. I take bomb shrapnel, get attacked by a mob, and get falsely accused of being a murderer, and it's going to take more than 7 days for me to get over it. What has been exaggerated? How do you know?

Sorry, I apologize. I should have use "a lot" instead of "most". Although the way it's reported on the news, I would imagine most Americans think the latter.
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It's all good. The bolded line is the problem. We're fed these images and news, because it's newsworthy. My Muslim buddy just got a raise at work and donated a ton of time and money to a community outreach organization. He didn't get "outed" as a Muslim philanthropist on Fox News. It's not a story that fits an agenda.

I've been detained and interrogated for having the audacity to travel while Muslim. That shit ain't fun. I've had the FBI show up to work to "interview" me. That shit ain't fun either. Both times I was completely and entirely innocent of any crime (heh, actually on the flying while Muslim thing, I had 3 bootleg DVDs hidden in a pajama pant in my suitcase, but beyond that...). I can assure you that both of those events fucked up my week. That's the experience of A LOT of Muslims in the United States, every day, but I'd still rather live here over any other country in the world.
 
I'm guessing many white people don't understand the concept, that white people are not given a blanket clout like with ever other groups in America.

Yes there was white terrorists, but did the FBI and LEO went and blanket clout a whole section of the population for scrutiny? Does the FBI install undercovers in some of the most evangelical churches in America, do the FBI plant undercovers at anti-abortionist groups?

What one don't understand is whites are given individualize treatment while "muslim" is like a blanket clout.

This is the main difference. If there was ever a mass terror spree committed by white men, I am pretty sure other white men will not be tackling each other when a bomb goes off next time
 
Just a FYI on profiling:

When business profile they only want to sell you stuff, when the gov't profile they have the power to complete turn your life inside out and destroy it ... Who do you prefer, business have laws to control them, the gov't is nearly omnipotent due to laws that protect the gov't from its own crimes?

Also if you have a certain group that is being profiled and harassed constantly, how willing you think those people would help LEO if they witness or notice a crime? Will they help LEO even if they know a crime is going to be commited by someone that is outside of there group/relations too?
Will a Muslim guy even bother to reporting a crime or suspicious activity if they saw a white guy planting suspicious stuff say around places where he/she has no care or physical connection with ( say a federal building ) ....
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Setting 9/11 aside, why don't you remind me how many of these "Arab-looking males" has been responsible for bombings and attempted bombings over the last 25 years? Let's see we've got the shoe bomber, the times square bomber, and the first WTC bombing.

In that same time we've also had the Unabomber, the Oklahoma City bombings, Aurora shooter (who attempted to blow up his apartment building), Columbine (also attempted to detonate bombs), the Olympic Park bombing, and god knows how many abortion clinic bombings have happened...

So, once again, why are we tackling anyone based purely on race, simply because they're running away from a fucking bomb that just went off?

But yeah, better tackle the guy with the brown skin because "statistically speaking" he probably had more to do with it than the white guy.[/QUOTE]

Of course i already made it clear. I'm not sure why people have trouble dealing with the truth. You can also include other countries terroist attacks and such all done by males of the same appearance also.

If there is a bomb, an apparent terrorist attack, excuse me if im more instinctive to be wary of some dude named waled than some fat guy called bob. That shit isn't racist. That shit is natural given there's thousands of arab looking people who continually plot to attack the US.

Numerous plots are foiled by these groups & affiliated groups. Yes there was 9/11 the WTC bombing before that, Shoe bomber, lunatic shooting people at that military base. And im sure some more + the numerous plots foiled, and per 100 thousand people they make up a tiny amount in the US, yet they're responsible for numerous terrorist attacks or attempted terror attacks. So statistically speaking it is not even debatable that they are most likely to be responsible, whether they are or not is totally irrelevant.

If it changes and another group or type of person becomes more likely then it'll apply to them.

Quite frankly too many left leaning people are so obsessed with this black and white picture they have in their head. It's bullshit. It is not racist or wrong to assume or act like this. It is fucking sensible.

Sure apologize to the guy, but im sure he understands. If there were lots of incidents in India by white american males, and another just happened and im running from the scene, you betcha your ass they're gonna be looking at me funny? Will i feel victimized? fuck no. It's obvious why.

I really wonder why the truth is so hard for people to deal with in this case?

Nobody is saying go get your guns and lets shoot every muslim looking person we see. But that's what the reaction seems to suggest by a few. It's stupid.
I can see a time if it's not already happened, where a suspicious person gets away because people were too scared of being called racist.

And that shouldn't be the case.

Edit - I wouldn't mix the shootings in with stuff like this, that's really showing desperation in a way to approve your false way of thinking. That's an American problem. And the profile is a completely different type of person. If i hear a school by shot up, i don't think arab male.
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']Of course i already made it clear. I'm not sure why people have trouble dealing with the truth. You can also include other countries terroist attacks and such all done by males of the same appearance also.

If there is a bomb, an apparent terrorist attack, excuse me if im more instinctive to be wary of some dude named waled than some fat guy called bob. That shit isn't racist. That shit is natural given there's thousands of arab looking people who continually plot to attack the US.

Numerous plots are foiled by these groups & affiliated groups. Yes there was 9/11 the WTC bombing before that, Shoe bomber, lunatic shooting people at that military base. And im sure some more + the numerous plots foiled, and per 100 thousand people they make up a tiny amount in the US, yet they're responsible for numerous terrorist attacks or attempted terror attacks. So statistically speaking it is not even debatable that they are most likely to be responsible, whether they are or not is totally irrelevant.

If it changes and another group or type of person becomes more likely then it'll apply to them.

Quite frankly too many left leaning people are so obsessed with this black and white picture they have in their head. It's bullshit. It is not racist or wrong to assume or act like this. It is fucking sensible.

Sure apologize to the guy, but im sure he understands. If there were lots of incidents in India by white american males, and another just happened and im running from the scene, you betcha your ass they're gonna be looking at me funny? Will i feel victimized? fuck no. It's obvious why.

I really wonder why the truth is so hard for people to deal with in this case?

Nobody is saying go get your guns and lets shoot every muslim looking person we see. But that's what the reaction seems to suggest by a few. It's stupid.
I can see a time if it's not already happened, where a suspicious person gets away because people were too scared of being called racist.

And that shouldn't be the case.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit. You might be the most un-American, terrible person on all of CAG. We have GOT to get you up as the "Pamela Gellar Villain of the Year" next year.

Your post summarized: Let me tell you all the reasons why I should be entitled to be a bigot. You bunch of damn hippies are gonna let the A-rabs take over our country! Up next, "They took err jeeebs!"
 
[quote name='berzirk']Holy shit. You might be the most un-American, terrible person on all of CAG. We have GOT to get you up as the "Pamela Gellar Villain of the Year" next year.

Your post summarized: Let me tell you all the reasons why I should be entitled to be a bigot. You bunch of damn hippies are gonna let the A-rabs take over our country! Up next, "They took err jeeebs!"[/QUOTE]

If you're able to see past all the bullshit you can understand that from a pure numbers perspective certain types of people account for a higher number of certain types of incidences.

Profiling, stereotyping, whatever you choose to call it.... understand that it can and does serve a purpose.

You have been trying so so hard to point out all the exceptions. But when grown ups go through life it makes sense for them to play the numbers game.

And this isn't just in regards to terror attacks.
 
[quote name='berzirk']That's an area where I have major concerns. Law enforcement "guarded his hospital room" but the fact that a mob of scared people can tackle an innocent guy because he "looks guilty" because he's an Arab male, and there are not major repercussions, then what else can a mob do because they're scared? Seriously, to what level of violence and action, should we overlook their actions?[/QUOTE]

I somewhat agree with you. Mob mentality can be scary as shit. I think I can tolerate it to the point where they restrain a "suspect" without harming him. Racism aside, I don't think it's too much trouble to have the guy answer a few questions. And especially at a scene like this, you're likely to do it at some point anyway.

[quote name='berzirk']And having his apartment torn apart, items removed, his roommate being harassed, having your name out as a suspected murderer, as reported by professional journalists? Man, I jam a finger or break a toe, and my week is kinda fucked up. I take bomb shrapnel, get attacked by a mob, and get falsely accused of being a murderer, and it's going to take more than 7 days for me to get over it. What has been exaggerated? How do you know?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think this is right. But again, it's all been exaggerated so much. There's at least 10 conflicting stories. Certain sites have said that he was detained and his apartment ransacked. While others claim that he was merely questioned at the hospital and that he gave the authorities permission to search his apartment.

I don't think he should have been harassed by the government, but treated as any other suspect: innocent until proven guilty, but still under a watchful eye.

I don't think this point is worth arguing much more, as I think we can both agree that neither of us has the whole story yet.

[quote name='berzirk']It's all good. The bolded line is the problem. We're fed these images and news, because it's newsworthy. My Muslim buddy just got a raise at work and donated a ton of time and money to a community outreach organization. He didn't get "outed" as a Muslim philanthropist on Fox News. It's not a story that fits an agenda.

I've been detained and interrogated for having the audacity to travel while Muslim. That shit ain't fun. I've had the FBI show up to work to "interview" me. That shit ain't fun either. Both times I was completely and entirely innocent of any crime (heh, actually on the flying while Muslim thing, I had 3 bootleg DVDs hidden in a pajama pant in my suitcase, but beyond that...). I can assure you that both of those events fucked up my week. That's the experience of A LOT of Muslims in the United States, every day, but I'd still rather live here over any other country in the world.[/QUOTE]

I realize this situation sucks, but it happens to a LOT of people. I mean, if my sister were to be kidnapped today, the 30 year old bachelor next door who never leaves his house would be a prime suspect. When a store gets robbed, the night janitor with the keys is the first one to be interrogated. They base these assumptions based on past events.

But I think here is where the issue is: there haven't been that many Muslim terrorists, but the media isn't going to let you figure that out. If 1 out of every 3 Muslims was a terrorist, they'd have damn good reason to stop you at the gate of an airport. We all know that's not the case, but as far as news watchers are concerned it is. Maybe our issue isn't that people are racist, it's just that they're plain stupid. They'll listen to anything that the news tells them without question.
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']

Edit - I wouldn't mix the shootings in with stuff like this, that's really showing desperation in a way to approve your false way of thinking. That's an American problem. And the profile is a completely different type of person. If i hear a school by shot up, i don't think arab male.[/QUOTE]

Fine, we can take the shootings/failed bombings out of the mix but then we have to take both the shoe bomber and the Times Square bomber out of the mix leaving us with only the first WTC bombing and 9/11 as successful terrorist bombings by people with brown skin on American soil (and shit, 9/11 didn't even include one damn bomb but hey, I'll leave it in there for you so we're not just talking about just one single fucking bombing in the last 25+ years that fits your "profile"). Thanks for strengthening my position. 2 bombings in 25 years by that description of people and yet they're the first ones who should be tackled running away from a bomb.

You're a complete fucking moron whose bigotry is blinding you.
 
[quote name='berzirk']And a mob tackled him and held him down as he was running away from an explosion, injured, because his crime was looking fat and white? Boy, that's a dandy comparison. :roll:

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Nope, clear minded people decided to start a witch hunt on him.

A bunch of confused and emotional wrecks deciding to hold a guy until police can talk to him.

I can see where you would think the latter is worse. :roll:

Let me ask you:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a white male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the white male.

Seems perfectly reasonable.

Ok so now:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a black male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the black male.

Seems perfectly racist. Amiright?
 
[quote name='Knoell']Nope, clear minded people decided to start a witch hunt on him.

A bunch of confused and emotional wrecks deciding to hold a guy until police can talk to him.

I can see where you would think the latter is worse. :roll:

Let me ask you:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a white male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the white male.

Seems perfectly reasonable.

Ok so now:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a black male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the black male.

Seems perfectly racist. Amiright?[/QUOTE]

Oh fuck me in the skull. We're going to deal with you and your reading comprehension again? I haven't blasted the notion of looking out for someone who fits a description by witnesses. I'm lashing out at the idea of the general public electing to tackle a dude because he was hurt, running away, and was Arab. There's a huge difference between law enforcement investigating reports offered by a witness, and random dudes assaulting anyone they think may have committed a crime.

There were no witnesses to the Boston crime to create the profile. That's where your whole analogy buggers its own asshole.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Photos of the "suspects" are up on Fbi.gov.[/QUOTE]

And they're looking mighty Middle Eastern to me.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Nope, clear minded people decided to start a witch hunt on him.

A bunch of confused and emotional wrecks deciding to hold a guy until police can talk to him.

I can see where you would think the latter is worse. :roll:

Let me ask you:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a white male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the white male.

Seems perfectly reasonable.

Ok so now:
A store gets robbed and police are investigating, and find that witnesses say that a black male was wandering around the area at the time of the robbery.

Police find and question the black male.

Seems perfectly racist. Amiright?[/QUOTE]

Really..... maybe that might fly if it was a ALL black neighborhood

Now if it is a mixed neighborhood and a store get robbed and the only thing the witness can explain is a WHITE guy.... The police would look at the witness and said you got to be farking kidding us...
 
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Wow I can tell who the fark they are looking for, ethnicity wise
 
[quote name='IRHari']Must really tick psychonerd off that these dudes don't look 'muslim'.[/QUOTE]

You mean like this guy?

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But... if you add a beard... then you got yourself a MUSLIM!

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But seriously I don't give a flying fuck what these guys look like I care WHY they did it (assuming they were involved).
 
[quote name='IRHari']Must really tick psychonerd off that these dudes don't look 'muslim'...er...Arab[/QUOTE]
They actually look Persian or North African to me. Hunh, another friend of mine posted "thank God they're white" somewhere else. Guess there is a variance of opinion on this one. Interesting.
 
[quote name='dohdough']When talking about terrorists, I find it amazing that no one ever brings up the IRA. Maybe it's just because I was a child of the 80's.[/QUOTE]
I think it's because a lot of people in the US sided with them.
 
Eh their race doesn't matter do me, though race does not equal religion. Muslims and Christians or none of the above can be found in a variety of flavors and are not exclusive to any one race. Maybe they were radical atheists or Wii U owners. I'm sure these fine gentlemen will be ok though, in 20 years I am sure they will be out and teaching in some of our fine higher education institutions such as Columbia University home to Bill Ayers and Kathy Boudin, some of our finest white domestic terrorists who have been rehabiliated after planning such self expressions as the bombing of the Pentagon, riots, prison breaks and robbery and murder of some pesky cops who got in the way of their Brinks heist. Mo money mo problems. These gentlemen were also wise enough not to blow themselves up like Ted Gold did while expressing himself with dynamite. Oh well, they look white so like the Weather Underground they were probably "protesting' and will be out and about in a couple decades, who knows, maybe they be linked to a future president someday, yah!
 
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