[quote name='Cao Cao']Oh dearie dearie dearie, I honestly didn't want to post the following. I actually did post it, but then I had a change of heart and deleted the message. I thought "Cao Cao, what if this guy was actually set on leaving the topic soon enough?[/quote]
First thing. When you're thinking to yourself you call yourself by your fake internet name? That's f*cked up.
[quote name='Cao Cao']1. Since this is what you claimed you wanted earlier: How exactly do you plan to have equal representation for all of the currently consoles, while still maintaining the same level of entertainment quality?
-Obviously, the plan must be reasonable, as in well-within the power of Cheapy and Wombat to implement.
-As a result, a good level of detail is required in your description.
-Bonus points if you consider the following factors: "Human psychology" and "all consoles are not created equal."[/quote]
All right. This coming Tuesday. The only 360 game coming out is Burnout Paradise. The Wii has Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, No More Heroes and One Piece: Unlimited Adventures. The DS Advanced Wars: Days of Ruin and Mega Brain Boost. How can you not have equal representation for the consoles, when there are 5 Nintendo games to the 360s one game. It's not as if there's not any new releases to talk about.
[quote name='Cao Cao']2. Please elaborate on the logical tree that because Cheapy thinks that the lawsuit is frivolous, he is standing behind Microsoft's decisions that pertain to the outages (or as you put it originally "Microsoft is still great").
-Preferably no agricultural by-products or false dilemmas this time around.
-Personal note: I would also like to know why you're so sure that the litigators are looking out for the interests of the other people affected by outages. Especially after looking at the results and the overall winners and losers of other cases involving game companies.
-I'm also trying to figure out how MS benefits from all of this. I mean with the bad PR, lost subscriber opportunities, and lost profits from a free Undertow wouldn't they negate any savings that would be incurred by purposefully underpowering the servers?
-Hey, blackouts and utility outages might also be worth mentioning. Optional and all that.[/quote]
How Microsoft benefited from this? You know they still got paid, right? You don't really think that they would've made more from a free XBL game then the 10,000,000 users they currently have with an XBL subscription. Of the 10,000,000 about 4,000,000 are gold members paying for an XBL subscription. (source
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/01/07/xbox-live-balloons-to-10-million-subscribers/ gotta love these fanboy sites) Let's do the math. Even assuming that all the people were on the yearly plan which would put them at a little over four dollars a month (which some pay monthly or every three months) but even using the LEAST amount they could've paid for the service that wasn't provided that'd put Microsoft making $16,000,000 off XBL subscriptions in that month alone. The undertow game costs 800 points or $10 a pop. So, let's assume that they kept all the money from that and didn't have to pay the publishers. To make the money they gained from XBL subscriptions by selling Undertow (again without counting any money paid out) they'd have to sell 1.6 MILLION copies of the game. Even giving this game away for free they probably won't even hit their 1.6 million mark. So, don't act as if MS is taking a loss by giving this game away. I'd imagine they wrote about a million dollar check to Chair Entertainment, the company that made Undertow, for the rights to give it away for free for four days. 16 million - 1 million = 15 million profit. Do some math before you argue MS is losing money on this. Keep in mind this is with me rounding numbers in favor of Microsoft, so this is not an unfair or unreasonable number.
[quote name='Cao Cao']The way I see it, this little derailment should end here, therefore, you have three options:
a) Don't answer the problems I presented, but don't make anymore posts in this topic (As any posts along this track that don't add any substance will honestly be a further waste of time), and you can probably go on with the idea that you "won" the argument.
b) Answer the problems I presented or find some other way to add substance to any points you presented, and maybe we can salvage something out of this mess that will be useful enough to not have made it a big waste of time.
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I chose option B. Don't come into a thread planning a big "derailment" with someone who plans on backing up what they say with facts. But if you want to respond, please use facts and another analogy. That coffee thing was just golden. Made me think that you'd be relevant.
[quote name='tyrone hawk']Another reason about why it's so difficult to keep everyone pleased and happy...
And next time the whole internet goes down due to a worm, who're you going to blame?
Your local ISP?
The OS developer?
The browser developer?
The computer developer?
The Internet Task Force for not doing their job?
Symantec/Mc Afee/Avast/Zone Alarm/etc. for not covering our asses?
The underdeveloped countries for not having a secure IT infraestructure?
The russians/chinese for not having a strong law against hackers?
Woa, that's a lot of people for filling out a lawsuit. That will give you at least enough to buy the whole freaking planet earth islands in Arabia!
Grow up, would ya?!?[/quote]
A worm would be a hacker's fault. The only person that would be responsible is the hacker, but if he's good enough to bring the internet down, he probably wouldn't be caught, so nothing could be done. Xbox live crashing would be Microsoft's fault They refused to spend some of the companies billions of dollars on a server that could support the demand for their paying customers. I like the effort to compare the two, but it was kind of a weak comparison to try to make.
To break it down for everyone, since you obviously don't realize that you don't become the biggest corporation in the world by treating people fair, then let's recap some of Microsoft's Xbox360 finest moments to see what kind of a place that some of you have chose to defend.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/02/microsoft-says-xbox-abuse-caused-baby-killing-fire/
A fire killed this guy's child. The fire was caused by faulty 360 equipment. Microsoft asked that the case be dismissed and that the victims pay the Microsoft's legal fees. So, they cause a fire, kill a kid, then instead of settle since the guy was asking for more than $50,000, but obviously not looking to get rich, just to get his stuff back (minus his child that he'll never get back) and Microsoft wouldn't even do that much.
The red ring of death
ed up everyone's XBLA experience. Before you could play your XBLA games offline, but since you now have someone else's system with your hard drive, then you have to be logged into XBL to play your arcade games. When the 360s first came out, if you slightly tilted the console it would scratch the game and ruin it. Microsoft offered to repair all games ruined this way for only $20. What a bang up job they're doing in customer service.
I for one can say I'm SICK of the sub par service provided by Microsoft and to be honest I'm surprised more CAGs aren't pissed off by XBL being down for a month. I call myself a cheap ass gamer, because it's true. And I'm so cheap that I refuse to pay for a month of service without getting what I paid for. I am what a cheap ass gamer is supposed to stand for. If you can pay out your money and not get every penny's worth of what you paid for and not be pissed when you don't, then you can't call yourself a cheap ass gamer. I came here, because the site name was perfect for me. That's why I don't post on any other forums. I'm a cheap ass gamer and I wanted to be surrounded by people with my cheap ass gaming point of view, but apparently a lot of people on board have forgotten what it means to be a true cheap ass.
Anyway, lets hope my ears enjoy the next 2 hours.
