MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Why the fuck do people think GSP just lays on his opponents? Show me a fight where he has completely stalled the fight by pinning his opponent on the ground and not letting him move. Generally, I can't stand wrestlers, but GSP is one of the most active ground specialists I've ever seen. Only 7 of his 22 pro fights have gone to a decision, compared to Jake Shields 16 of 30.

Yeah, St. Pierre's last two fights have gone to a decision, but look at the amount of takedowns he's had in those fights! vs Dan Hardy: 11-11, vs Thiago Alves: 10-12. The reason he had so many takedowns is because he was being active on the ground...which leaves openings for your opponent to scramble and get up. It's kinda hard to lay and pray when you're taking a guy down 10+ times. I'm trying to find statistics for Shields' last two fights, but I can't seem to find any. But I'm pretty sure he didn't take anybody down 10 times.[/QUOTE]

gsp tends to get a lot of shit when he fights strikers and takes them down. people who say he doesnt try and finish those fights are stupid. i get pissed at the fighter when im watching because its boring to see someone take a guy down again and again and again and grind him. in gsps case its no fault of his, its the other fighters fault for not offering any defense against it. yeah its boring but its just the nature of those matchups. those are tough guys with a lot of heart.

gsp is dynamic, look at the fitch fight, fucking exciting, beautiful to watch.
 
[quote name='paz9x']gsp tends to get a lot of shit when he fights strikers and takes them down. people who say he doesnt try and finish those fights are stupid. i get pissed at the fighter when im watching because its boring to see someone take a guy down again and again and again and grind him. in gsps case its no fault of his, its the other fighters fault for not offering any defense against it. yeah its boring but its just the nature of those matchups. those are tough guys with a lot of heart.

gsp is dynamic, look at the fitch fight, fucking exciting, beautiful to watch.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That was just my point. I take issue with anybody calling GSP "lay and pray". He's really one of the furthest things from it. People need to make the distinction between "lay and pray" and "manhandling". GSP completely dominates his opponents. Laying on top of somebody, wrapping your legs around them, and putting your head down is not dominating.
 
I'd love to see Shields in the UFC. I think Shields vs. GSP would be a pretty interesting fight. I'd have to say GSP would of course be the favorite to win, but you can't really count out Shields.
 
Anyone nothice the commercials and fight analysis from there video game? on top of a crappy fight card, it looks like their video game is gonna suck too.
 
[quote name='5of9']Anyone nothice the commercials and fight analysis from there video game? on top of a crappy fight card, it looks like their video game is gonna suck too.[/QUOTE]

There was a new preview for EA MMA? I've been wondering what the hell is up with that game. It still doesn't even have a release date. It really makes it look like they're just waiting for Undisputed 2010 to come out so they can rip off all the ideas.

EDIT - Just looked up the footage on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wj7B18qxVM

Ugh...the game does look bad. It looks arcadey as hell, and the animations look terrible. The fighter movements look so stiff and jerky. I did have high hopes for the game, but that really doesn't look too promising.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']There was a new preview for EA MMA? I've been wondering what the hell is up with that game. It still doesn't even have a release date. It really makes it look like they're just waiting for Undisputed 2010 to come out so they can rip off all the ideas.[/QUOTE]

I guess you could call it a Preview. They were using the video game to Preview the fights and show what the fighter had to do to win. But the movents looked clunky and all the fighters looked alike.
 
i saw hand-on footage that looked much better than what they were showing last night. I still think the game is gonna be at best on par with undisputed 2009.
 
I don't think that either Hendo or Mousasi came into the cage prepared enough for their fights. With Mousasi there was no sense of urgency or drive at all, Mo Lawal was basically a one-trick pony that continued taking Mousasi down but had no idea how to finish him on the ground. In the meantime Mousasi threw strikes but wasn't nearly active enough at doing much else. I think he underestimated Lawal's pure strength and had no answer for the takedown, or maybe he thought he would just be able to knock him out when they got back to standing. As far as Hendo, he looked a little slow and heavy, and didn't have any real gameplan beyond the first couple rounds. I honestly think he probably underestimated Shields, then gassed in the later rounds.
 
UFC 118 in Boston, Lightweight title rematch, Penn vs. Edgar.

Can't see Penn losing twice in a row to the same guy, now that Penn knows Edgar's style he will adjust. Can't imagine this one going to a decision.
 
While im as a big a penn fan as anybody. id like to see the opportunity for some variety in lw title fights.
im guessing the ufc thinks the fight was a fluke.
 
The UFC wants to make money, and having Edgar in the main event won't draw a dime, even against Florian. The only draw they have at that weight is BJ and they want him to be champion. Add in that it was a very close fight, and BJ gets his rematch
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']bullshit penn gets an instant rematch. i'd much rather see someone else fight.[/QUOTE]
agreed
bj penn has a runny nose and believes he should be entitled to an instant rematch is a joke
 
He went 8 years undefeated at lightweight. You'd be upset too if you were him and want to prove to yourself and everyone else that you just had an off day.

That said, if Edgar beats him again, then he's got awhile to wait in line.
 
Fact is, who else do you see BJ fighting at LW? He has destroyed everyone already. The only guy he hasn't fought that could be considered a contender is Maynard, and Maynard could barely get by Diaz, BJ would crush him.

I would like to see Penn vs. Guida, just because I am a big Guida mark and know it would be exciting, and not very likely to go to a decision.
 
[quote name='Pavel6969']The UFC wants to make money, and having Edgar in the main event won't draw a dime, even against Florian.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...having Florian fight for the belt in his hometown wouldn't bring in ANY money. :roll:

I'm just not really a fan of instant rematches because it negates the outcome of the first fight. Here's the thing, if Penn wins this one, Edgar should get an instant rematch, because with one win each, we wouldn't really have learned anything. For that reason, I'm hoping BJ loses again. If that happens, you'd have to throw him down below Florian, Maynard, Griffin, etc. in terms of contenders. I do agree that this gives the impression that the UFC felt the fight was a fluke though. I'd love to see Edgar shock the world one more time.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']the next big ufc fight is obviously thiago silvas next fight[/QUOTE]

What makes Thiago Silva's next fight such a big deal? Who is he fighting?
 
fuck yeah that match was so awesome. I'm an instant fan of both those guys now. They pulled off so many combos that should've knocked each other out. If only all matches were paced like that. Comparing this fight to most of the boring matches this month makes me hate those snooze fests more.
 
[quote name='-GoodFella-']I'm calling it right now fellas:GARCIA-JUNG FIGHT OF THE YEAR!!!![/QUOTE]

I hope not. It was one of the most un-technical fights I've ever seen. I hate Garcia's fastball haymakers.
 
I really feel bad for Faber. Damn last time he fought for a title two broken hands and this time he's going to be limping for a long time. So you want to be an MMA fighter?

Aldo is a force, he put on Muay Thai clinic and then passed Faber's guard like it was nothing had him in a crucifix position for almost two minutes smashing him with elbows and punches.

I was really surprised by Gamburyan and Henderson though WOW!

Garcia vs Zombie was quite entertaining too!
 
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[quote name='fatmanforlife99']http://www.mmamania.com/2010/4/26/1445392/report-tito-ortiz-arrested-for[/QUOTE]

Dude...that is fucked up. Tito has got to be the biggest bitch I've ever seen. He won't fight Chuck, but he'll beat his wife? What a tough guy. He and Dana were supposed to be back on good terms, but I really think I'd consider cutting him after this garbage. It seems like he's filling his life with all the wrong things, and his fighting sure as hell isn't getting any better. What a loser.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']So she takes shots to the face for 15 years and now she's whining about this? Boo Hoo.[/QUOTE]

Wow...what a funny joke that is. Har har. Stay classy.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Dude...that is fucked up. Tito has got to be the biggest bitch I've ever seen. He won't fight Chuck, but he'll beat his wife? What a tough guy. He and Dana were supposed to be back on good terms, but I really think I'd consider cutting him after this garbage. It seems like he's filling his life with all the wrong things, and his fighting sure as hell isn't getting any better. What a loser.[/QUOTE]


I cant find the link, but I keep seeing on the various mma websites, if he is convicted, Dana might cut him.

Its in the link I posted, they updated it.
 
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We don't even know the whole story though, I saw the picture of her with a bandage around her arm and that's it.
I've known several people who got sent to jail for bogus claims of abuse. One simply pushed girlie off onto a bed.
So, no one can really say right now.
And I mean, it's Jenna Jameson. C'mahn.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']So she takes shots to the face for 15 years and now she's whining about this? Boo Hoo.[/QUOTE]

lol wrong to laugh at but still a good joke. question i want to know is is this a first time thing or has he been abusing her? what set it all off? yeah its wrong to hit women but before people start pulling the asshole card its good to know all the facts. though considering hes an mma guy id find it hard to think any chick would try and attack him first.
 
[quote name='Ronzilla']Looks like Jenna wants to work things out.

TMZ Link[/QUOTE]

Of course. He only tore ligaments in your arm. "But he loves me..." If she was smart, she'd go date Chuck. Actually, Chuck should be dating Tito's mom, since he's already his daddy.
 
Watched WEC last night. Great card except for the main event.
I was cheering for the Anvil and man it dropped Brown like he got hit with an alley biscuit.

I felt the judging on Pickett/Johnson was ridiculous. If you land takedowns but then let the guy up 10 seconds later and he starts kneeing and striking you like crazy, HE IS TRYING TO FINISH THE FIGHT, JUDGES. MMA needs to quit rewarding American wrestling over and over again when it often accomplishes nothing.
 
Lol at the TMZ reporter for being an idiot.


"Hey Tito, why are you in handcuffs? You being arrested?"

"Nope"

"Was it domestic violence?!"

"Nah, I'm gonna go show them Jiu Jitsu."

"Tito, are you okay? Why do you have handcuffs on?"


Jesus. After that...I'd punch paparazzi so bad.


http://www.mmamania.com/2010/4/27/1446713/tito-ortiz-press-conference-video


For crying out loud. If you're going to have your attorney hold your press conference for you, at least make sure the guy can speak well, and doesn't tremble with his words. Sounds like he's feeding everyone shovels of bullshit.
 
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I don't need the facts of this case to know Ortiz is an asshole. He has already shown that numerous times in the past. Honestly, I hope he doesn't get cut and Chuck gets to pound his face into hamburger.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze'] MMA needs to quit rewarding American wrestling over and over again when it often accomplishes nothing.[/QUOTE]

That is something that frustrates me endlessly. my biggest problem is the way it forces fighters to fight.
 
[quote name='paz9x']That is something that frustrates me endlessly. my biggest problem is the way it forces fighters to fight.[/QUOTE]

There just needs to be a clear distinction between trying to advance position/finish the fight, and trying to stall while in a "dominant position". This brings me back to the GSP argument. I have no problem seeing GSP taking a guy down 10 times in a fight. But if he were just laying on his opponent, not trying to gain mount or work a submission, then stand him up. The problem is, some people are adamently opposed to stand ups because of the way they're handled with BJJ guys.

We just need knowledgable referees who know the fighters and can see what they're trying to do. My opinion on wrestlers is you better damn well have some G&P or submission skills if you want the fight to stay on the mat very long.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']There just needs to be a clear distinction between trying to advance position/finish the fight, and trying to stall while in a "dominant position". This brings me back to the GSP argument. I have no problem seeing GSP taking a guy down 10 times in a fight. But if he were just laying on his opponent, not trying to gain mount or work a submission, then stand him up. The problem is, some people are adamently opposed to stand ups because of the way they're handled with BJJ guys.

We just need knowledgable referees who know the fighters and can see what they're trying to do. My opinion on wrestlers is you better damn well have some G&P or submission skills if you want the fight to stay on the mat very long.[/QUOTE]

its the judging awarding "points" for securing a takedown regardless of what happens on the ground.
a fighter could be landing decently on the feet being cautious but scoring and lose a round by a single takedown with nothing done as a result of the takedown. its just annoying that takedowns are weighed so heavily. it allows fighters with no finishing skills to win fights by taking someone down. I know the counter arguement is TDD and i dont disagree, i just wish they wouldnt score takedowns so heavily on their own.
 
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