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the reason KOKO B. Ware vs. Rick Martel was such a better match than anything going on today... those guys were better wrestlers than 80% of the WWE roster... mostly because the roster is so green.
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You can't see me, but I can assure you I'm facepalming:
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Out_to_International_Voice-Over_Workers.html
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Out_to_International_Voice-Over_Workers.html
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Joe won't ever be signed by WWE because he doesn't fit Vinces idea of an "entertainer" muscled up and oily.
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If this were 2 weeks ago, I would've thought that terminology paper thing was an April Fool's joke. The terminology is just completely 
ing ridiculous.
ing ridiculous.
[quote name='Purple Flames']You can't see me, but I can assure you I'm facepalming:
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Out_to_International_Voice-Over_Workers.html[/QUOTE]
*Goes back and watches WWE Ladder Match DVD instead*
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Out_to_International_Voice-Over_Workers.html[/QUOTE]
*Goes back and watches WWE Ladder Match DVD instead*
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Sorry WWE... but I refuse to be classified as an "action soap opera" fan.
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Someone in that company is completely ing delusional. I assume it's Vince, or at least I hope it is. Scary thought: what if it's actually not him, and the dream of everything reverting back to normal after he dies is a falsehood?
I mean, maybe I'm naive, but I want to believe that HHH, if he's the one put in charge, thinks this is the most ridiculously stupid shit ever, but is smart enough to just keep his mouth shut right now. I mean, look at that list. LOOK AT IT. How can anyone that claims they 'love' the business not laugh at that openly?
For's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania. The secondary world title is engraved 'World Heavyweight WRESTLING Champion'.
Just... just off.
This is the most ham-fisted marketing 101 shit ever.
ing delusional. I assume it's Vince, or at least I hope it is. Scary thought: what if it's actually not him, and the dream of everything reverting back to normal after he dies is a falsehood? I mean, maybe I'm naive, but I want to believe that HHH, if he's the one put in charge, thinks this is the most ridiculously stupid shit ever, but is smart enough to just keep his mouth shut right now. I mean, look at that list. LOOK AT IT. How can anyone that claims they 'love' the business not laugh at that openly?
For
's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania. The secondary world title is engraved 'World Heavyweight WRESTLING Champion'. Just... just
off.This is the most ham-fisted marketing 101 shit ever.
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[quote name='pimpster4183']Joe won't ever be signed by WWE because he doesn't fit Vinces idea of an "entertainer" muscled up and oily.[/QUOTE]
Not every WWE star is jacked up, but they keep themselves in shape and have a toned look to them. I am of the opinion that if you are making money in wrest...entertainment you should invest time and effort in how your body looks.
Not every WWE star is jacked up, but they keep themselves in shape and have a toned look to them. I am of the opinion that if you are making money in wrest...entertainment you should invest time and effort in how your body looks.
That terminology press release makes it abundantly clear they are attempting to appeal their product to broader audiences.
"Soap opera action"to appeal to women, etc.
See, the thing is, anyone who would think this is silly is already someone they've "got." Very few people are going to stop watching WWE because they refuse to say wrestling. Sure there'll be some but those will be more than offset by the direction they are attempting to direct their product, which is, more mainsteam.
"Soap opera action"to appeal to women, etc.
See, the thing is, anyone who would think this is silly is already someone they've "got." Very few people are going to stop watching WWE because they refuse to say wrestling. Sure there'll be some but those will be more than offset by the direction they are attempting to direct their product, which is, more mainsteam.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Sure there'll be some but those will be more than offset by the direction they are attempting to direct their product, which is, more mainsteam.[/QUOTE]
My question is, how do you go more mainstream when you're at the top of the pile? People watch UFC because it's real, and no matter what, WWE is pre-scripted. They won't ever appeal to the same audience 100% of the time. Most WWE fans are UFC fans, but most UFC fans are WWE fans who left because WWE toned the violence way down.
My question is, how do you go more mainstream when you're at the top of the pile? People watch UFC because it's real, and no matter what, WWE is pre-scripted. They won't ever appeal to the same audience 100% of the time. Most WWE fans are UFC fans, but most UFC fans are WWE fans who left because WWE toned the violence way down.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']That terminology press release makes it abundantly clear they are attempting to appeal their product to broader audiences.
"Soap opera action"to appeal to women, etc.
See, the thing is, anyone who would think this is silly is already someone they've "got." Very few people are going to stop watching WWE because they refuse to say wrestling. Sure there'll be some but those will be more than offset by the direction they are attempting to direct their product, which is, more mainsteam.[/QUOTE]
But this is marketing... and even though we're existing fans, we're still being marketed to.
Think of WWE as your favorite brand of domestic beer. In this example, we'll just say Budweiser. Now Budweiser releases their new marketing strategy... informing the public that they no longer want to be affiliated with sporting events, male bonding, and/or blue collar society. Instead, they now want to be re-imaged as the beer of choice when it comes to antique shopping, parenting, and at-home book clubs.
Now, when your friends come over for a night of poker, bullshitting, and/or "action soap opera" viewing, the last thing you're going to want to pull out of the fridge/cooler is some cold Budweiser (unless it's for a gag of course). It would be like attending a serious keg party with three bottles of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill.
I'm all for strategic re-branding. But in this case, WWE is neglecting to include die-hard wrasslin' fans into the equation. Remember, according to Neilsen, the 18-35 year-old demographic is still the most important target audience. I don't think many 18-35 year-olds are going to be pleased with being labeled as fans of "action soap operas."
"Soap opera action"to appeal to women, etc.
See, the thing is, anyone who would think this is silly is already someone they've "got." Very few people are going to stop watching WWE because they refuse to say wrestling. Sure there'll be some but those will be more than offset by the direction they are attempting to direct their product, which is, more mainsteam.[/QUOTE]
But this is marketing... and even though we're existing fans, we're still being marketed to.
Think of WWE as your favorite brand of domestic beer. In this example, we'll just say Budweiser. Now Budweiser releases their new marketing strategy... informing the public that they no longer want to be affiliated with sporting events, male bonding, and/or blue collar society. Instead, they now want to be re-imaged as the beer of choice when it comes to antique shopping, parenting, and at-home book clubs.
Now, when your friends come over for a night of poker, bullshitting, and/or "action soap opera" viewing, the last thing you're going to want to pull out of the fridge/cooler is some cold Budweiser (unless it's for a gag of course). It would be like attending a serious keg party with three bottles of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill.
I'm all for strategic re-branding. But in this case, WWE is neglecting to include die-hard wrasslin' fans into the equation. Remember, according to Neilsen, the 18-35 year-old demographic is still the most important target audience. I don't think many 18-35 year-olds are going to be pleased with being labeled as fans of "action soap operas."
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[quote name='007']
For's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania.[/QUOTE]
Lulz, Yeah they're going to have to fix that
Entertamia ?
Action Soap Operamania
Those are rubbish, hopefully one of Vince's yes men can do better.
For
's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania.[/QUOTE]Lulz, Yeah they're going to have to fix that
Entertamia ?
Action Soap Operamania
Those are rubbish, hopefully one of Vince's yes men can do better.
I guess I should have been more clear in my post. I, in no way agree with this marketing strategy, I was merely pointing out their likely justification and mindset for it.
My point of view differs from theirs; I don't think changing the descriptive name of the product is going to bring in much in the way of the new viewers. WWE is such an established wrestling company at this point that the average person won't understand or care about the change to "soap opera action" and will, at the end of day, still be wrestling.
Where I may differ from other is that I don't think this will cost them any significant amount of viewership. Or, in the alternative, you could end up with the "new coke" effect in that as soon as they drop this "no-wrestling" policy the resulting publicity will drive up their viewership beyond what it was prior to the new direction.
Really though, wrestling is a little silly. We can (and should) all admit that. Something like wrestling doesn't need to be taken seriously to be entertaining. I think that's what a lot of anti-wrestling people don't understand. My girlfriend sees me watching Raw and says "oh, it's just so dumb and fake" but then proceeds to turn on The Bachelor in the other room... My point being, at least wrestling these days is a little more upfront about their silliness. But I digress.
Overall, what I'm saying is that my general opinion of wrestling/WWE isn't going to change (nor will my viewing habits) because it isn't "wrestling" anymore and I have a feeling the vast majority of people will probably feel the same way. Ask yourself this, if you didn't read internet rumors and dirtsheets would you have even noticed that much of a difference in their product this week vs. 2-3 weeks ago before the no-wrestling policy began?
My point of view differs from theirs; I don't think changing the descriptive name of the product is going to bring in much in the way of the new viewers. WWE is such an established wrestling company at this point that the average person won't understand or care about the change to "soap opera action" and will, at the end of day, still be wrestling.
Where I may differ from other is that I don't think this will cost them any significant amount of viewership. Or, in the alternative, you could end up with the "new coke" effect in that as soon as they drop this "no-wrestling" policy the resulting publicity will drive up their viewership beyond what it was prior to the new direction.
Really though, wrestling is a little silly. We can (and should) all admit that. Something like wrestling doesn't need to be taken seriously to be entertaining. I think that's what a lot of anti-wrestling people don't understand. My girlfriend sees me watching Raw and says "oh, it's just so dumb and fake" but then proceeds to turn on The Bachelor in the other room... My point being, at least wrestling these days is a little more upfront about their silliness. But I digress.
Overall, what I'm saying is that my general opinion of wrestling/WWE isn't going to change (nor will my viewing habits) because it isn't "wrestling" anymore and I have a feeling the vast majority of people will probably feel the same way. Ask yourself this, if you didn't read internet rumors and dirtsheets would you have even noticed that much of a difference in their product this week vs. 2-3 weeks ago before the no-wrestling policy began?
I stopped watching Raw a few years ago and now, due to their open disdain for wrestling fans, I'll most likely drop SD and WWE as a whole. It's clear that they want nothing to do with offering the type of product that I want to watch. It's been bland for a long time now plus I'm just tired of being insulted. I refuse to be the allegorical abused wife that thinks that the husband will eventually change their ways. WWE knows that most people will still watch no matter how much they complain about the product. If you're willing to keep watching all the while saying how poor WWE is then the hard truth is, by willingly still participating, you're now part of the problem. If it's so bad, don't complain. Do the only thing you can do that matters. Stop watching. I'm done with WWE.
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Who wants to bring back a staple of the 90s and make a "Vince fears Wrestling" sign for the next live entertainment event? 
The previous style that was being used from about 99-01 honestly wasn't that bad if you look back. Especially in WWE, it's more or less the same thing it used to be. It's just that the wrestlers aren't taking as many risks. As long as you can do and take a move properly, you're gold.
It was really just a lot of recklessness and apathy towards what was going on in the ring. I remember Raven drop toehold'ing Scotty Riggs onto the wrong side of a chair. Kurt Angle breaking Holly's arm by missing a moonsault. Edge temporarily paralyzing a member of Los Boricuas. Foley throwing himself off the Hell in a Cell while Undertaker stood there. Bret Hart was given brain damage from a Goldberg back kick. Even before this period, Owen Hart was attempting God knows what and hugely cut Steve Austin's career by almost crippling him.
Even after this period and the matches got grass-growing boring, you had Kidman nearly caving in Chavo's face, Flair's head getting busted open from being sandwiched in between two tables, Kevin Nash walking.
It was really just a lot of recklessness and apathy towards what was going on in the ring. I remember Raven drop toehold'ing Scotty Riggs onto the wrong side of a chair. Kurt Angle breaking Holly's arm by missing a moonsault. Edge temporarily paralyzing a member of Los Boricuas. Foley throwing himself off the Hell in a Cell while Undertaker stood there. Bret Hart was given brain damage from a Goldberg back kick. Even before this period, Owen Hart was attempting God knows what and hugely cut Steve Austin's career by almost crippling him.
Even after this period and the matches got grass-growing boring, you had Kidman nearly caving in Chavo's face, Flair's head getting busted open from being sandwiched in between two tables, Kevin Nash walking.
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Thinking it over more, I truly dislike how much identity this takes away from the product.
"WWE Superstars are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess" is such aing generic term. Let's see here...
"Cirque du Soleil performers are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess."
"The Harlem Globetrotters are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess."
At thecorre core, that's what I understand least about this. It's not a rebranding about unique characteristics, it's the most general statements possible. Tell me either of those two examples are wrong. When 99% of the world's population knows you as a wrestling company, I'd think it would hurt more in the long run to try and pretend that you aren't. Own it, and tell people that WWE is the best wrestling company in the world. To fix the other problem, in my mind, the easiest thing to do would be to 'rebrand' the different company segments.
You see a movie promoted as a WWE Film, you have preconceptions going in. You see a movie promoted that's produced by Titan Films, that goes away. Go back to that model, when 'WWF' was simply the wrestling product. Titan Sports. Coliseum Video. Vince obviously sees that WWE has a negative connotation to it, but instead of doing the obvious thing and branching out without it, he's trying to use words to change the world's perception of a company that's been around for over 30 years. Unless they literally stop airing Raw and Smackdown, it just won't happen.
But, really, at the end of the day, if you show professional wrestling on TV and claim it's not wrestling, you just look like an asshole. That's the short answer.
"WWE Superstars are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess" is such a
ing generic term. Let's see here..."Cirque du Soleil performers are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess."
"The Harlem Globetrotters are entertainers with tremendous athletic prowess."
At the
You see a movie promoted as a WWE Film, you have preconceptions going in. You see a movie promoted that's produced by Titan Films, that goes away. Go back to that model, when 'WWF' was simply the wrestling product. Titan Sports. Coliseum Video. Vince obviously sees that WWE has a negative connotation to it, but instead of doing the obvious thing and branching out without it, he's trying to use words to change the world's perception of a company that's been around for over 30 years. Unless they literally stop airing Raw and Smackdown, it just won't happen.
But, really, at the end of the day, if you show professional wrestling on TV and claim it's not wrestling, you just look like an asshole. That's the short answer.
I can't see why people are butt-hurt over WWE admitting that their product is a "soap opera". Kayfabe has been dead for years and they're just being honest. My father told me years ago (when the territories were still viable and kayfabe was still king) that pro wrestling was soap opera for men. I hope that nobody believed that Undertaker had supernatural powers or that Hulk Hogan could withstand crippling moves due to the power of Hulkamania.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.
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[quote name='rvdrock']It's not the change. It's the forcing of it. Like cramming it down our throats. It's still wrestling to us and we will refer to it as such. I mean what's wrong with sports entertainment. Has Vince just lost it?[/QUOTE]
It's the fact that Vince thinks the WWE is somehow better than wrestling that bothers me.
"WCW did wrestling shows and they failed, we do entertainment shows, that's the difference"
The man is deluding himself in epic fashion.
It's the fact that Vince thinks the WWE is somehow better than wrestling that bothers me.
"WCW did wrestling shows and they failed, we do entertainment shows, that's the difference"
The man is deluding himself in epic fashion.
[quote name='BlueSwim']What if Joe and Kong were paired up on Raw and dominated the non-main event Superstars & Divas as a "power couple"?[/QUOTE]
They could mesh their fat together to become Super Samoa Kong!
5 bucks says she doesn't even get to use "Kong" because it's likely too close to other copyrights. I'm almost willing to bet she shows up as Kia Stevens and is almost immediately entered into some sort of feud with Beth Phoenix.
They could mesh their fat together to become Super Samoa Kong!
5 bucks says she doesn't even get to use "Kong" because it's likely too close to other copyrights. I'm almost willing to bet she shows up as Kia Stevens and is almost immediately entered into some sort of feud with Beth Phoenix.
[quote name='mogamer']I can't see why people are butt-hurt over WWE admitting that their product is a "soap opera". Kayfabe has been dead for years and they're just being honest. My father told me years ago (when the territories were still viable and kayfabe was still king) that pro wrestling was soap opera for men. I hope that nobody believed that Undertaker had supernatural powers or that Hulk Hogan could withstand crippling moves due to the power of Hulkamania.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.[/QUOTE]
You know, when I was a little kid I thought that shit was real. I remember being about 6 years old and fighting with some friend because he said it wasn't. Who cares if the shit was over the top? Or even if it is like a male soap opera, let people have fun sometimes.
Hell, it's a good thing Roddenberry never tried to sell Star Trek as a space based soap opera.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.[/QUOTE]
You know, when I was a little kid I thought that shit was real. I remember being about 6 years old and fighting with some friend because he said it wasn't. Who cares if the shit was over the top? Or even if it is like a male soap opera, let people have fun sometimes.
Hell, it's a good thing Roddenberry never tried to sell Star Trek as a space based soap opera.
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[quote name='mogamer']I can't see why people are butt-hurt over WWE admitting that their product is a "soap opera". Kayfabe has been dead for years and they're just being honest. My father told me years ago (when the territories were still viable and kayfabe was still king) that pro wrestling was soap opera for men. I hope that nobody believed that Undertaker had supernatural powers or that Hulk Hogan could withstand crippling moves due to the power of Hulkamania.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.[/QUOTE]
Butt-hurt.
I will use this daily.
Now getting pissed about how bland and stupid stuff has become, well yes, I'm with you on that.[/QUOTE]
Butt-hurt.
I will use this daily.
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Here's the post-SD tribute to Edge -
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi3q96_edge-tribute-albany-ny_sport
Mick Foley mowing lawns for charity.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/13/mick-...-gardener-rape-abuse-incest-national-network/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi3q96_edge-tribute-albany-ny_sport
Mick Foley mowing lawns for charity.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/13/mick-...-gardener-rape-abuse-incest-national-network/
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[quote name='KaneRobot']I sincerely hope this leads to an assault of fans bringing signs that just say "WRESTLING" to TV tapings.[/QUOTE]
They'll confiscate 'em. No doubt.
[quote name='007']For's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania. The secondary world title is engraved 'World Heavyweight WRESTLING Champion'.[/QUOTE]
Joke: WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT ENTERTAINMENT CHAMPION
Serious: WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
They remodeled it once to toss the WWE logo on there, what's to keep it from happening again?
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I guess I should have been more clear in my post. I, in no way agree with this marketing strategy, I was merely pointing out their likely justification and mindset for it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know that anyone confused you for a WWE apologist. I at least know you were trying to explain how it possibly makes sense from a marketing vantagepoint. Thing is, it's a dumbass maneuver. Walks like a talk, talks like a duck, called "entertainment."
But:
[quote name='neocisco']I stopped watching Raw a few years ago and now, due to their open disdain for wrestling fans, I'll most likely drop SD and WWE as a whole. It's clear that they want nothing to do with offering the type of product that I want to watch.[/QUOTE]
There's WWE's risk. They've made so many moves in years that shows they don't give a what wrestling fans think or want. Matt Cross was a sacrificial lamb, put on Tough Enough to at least *pretend* this contest ends with someone becoming a wrestler. Then they kill him off in week 2 with a contrived excuse that makes zero sense. The message is clear: wrestlers not wanted. They produce shows that are guaranteed to show more entrances than match, as the entrance - the music, the pyro, the lighting, the poses - is more important to crowds than the match, in WWE's eyes.
By the way, Triple H's weird thing when he came out to "For Whom the Bell Tolls" wasing AWFUL. It wasn't entertaining, it was a ing dance recital. It's why adults are turning away from the product and why UFC is ing destroying them in PPV buys.
Internet dirt sheets pointed out that Vince was LIVID that Sin Caraed up his entrance again on Monday. No word on the sloppiness of the match itself, or the ed up finish. But he messed up his entrance twice now, so he's t-minus 4 weeks from ending up in the WWE Shithouse™.
[quote name='007']"Entertainment du Soleil"
"The Harlem Entertainers"[/QUOTE]
Think about the language change that way. They're stretching themselves too thin and, in the process, losing their unique cultural niche, abandoning the one thing that worked for them, and providing zero incentive to watch their product.
WWE doesn't say "We're MORE than wrestling," which I think would make some of us groan, but be okay with. They deny they even ARE wrestling. That'sing ridiculous.
They can't treat my money and viewership like it's a given, specifically if their product changes take away from what makes me want to watch their product in the first place. Brand loyalty is a reciprocal relationship, and if you show enough contempt for customers you take for granted, or if you have enough hubris, you'll wind up in second place. Just look at how the PS3 is doing in the US compared with the Xbox.
They'll confiscate 'em. No doubt.
[quote name='007']For
's sake, the name of their biggest PPV is WRESTLEMania. The secondary world title is engraved 'World Heavyweight WRESTLING Champion'.[/QUOTE]Joke: WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT ENTERTAINMENT CHAMPION
Serious: WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
They remodeled it once to toss the WWE logo on there, what's to keep it from happening again?
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I guess I should have been more clear in my post. I, in no way agree with this marketing strategy, I was merely pointing out their likely justification and mindset for it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know that anyone confused you for a WWE apologist. I at least know you were trying to explain how it possibly makes sense from a marketing vantagepoint. Thing is, it's a dumbass maneuver. Walks like a talk, talks like a duck, called "entertainment."
But:
[quote name='neocisco']I stopped watching Raw a few years ago and now, due to their open disdain for wrestling fans, I'll most likely drop SD and WWE as a whole. It's clear that they want nothing to do with offering the type of product that I want to watch.[/QUOTE]
There's WWE's risk. They've made so many moves in years that shows they don't give a
what wrestling fans think or want. Matt Cross was a sacrificial lamb, put on Tough Enough to at least *pretend* this contest ends with someone becoming a wrestler. Then they kill him off in week 2 with a contrived excuse that makes zero sense. The message is clear: wrestlers not wanted. They produce shows that are guaranteed to show more entrances than match, as the entrance - the music, the pyro, the lighting, the poses - is more important to crowds than the match, in WWE's eyes.By the way, Triple H's weird thing when he came out to "For Whom the Bell Tolls" was
ing AWFUL. It wasn't entertaining, it was a ing dance recital. It's why adults are turning away from the product and why UFC is ing destroying them in PPV buys.Internet dirt sheets pointed out that Vince was LIVID that Sin Cara
ed up his entrance again on Monday. No word on the sloppiness of the match itself, or the ed up finish. But he messed up his entrance twice now, so he's t-minus 4 weeks from ending up in the WWE Shithouse™.[quote name='007']"Entertainment du Soleil"
"The Harlem Entertainers"[/QUOTE]
Think about the language change that way. They're stretching themselves too thin and, in the process, losing their unique cultural niche, abandoning the one thing that worked for them, and providing zero incentive to watch their product.
WWE doesn't say "We're MORE than wrestling," which I think would make some of us groan, but be okay with. They deny they even ARE wrestling. That's
ing ridiculous. They can't treat my money and viewership like it's a given, specifically if their product changes take away from what makes me want to watch their product in the first place. Brand loyalty is a reciprocal relationship, and if you show enough contempt for customers you take for granted, or if you have enough hubris, you'll wind up in second place. Just look at how the PS3 is doing in the US compared with the Xbox.
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[quote name='mogamer']For all we know, this new direction could be coming from Stephanie and HHH.[/QUOTE]
I'm more inclined to believe it's coming from Vince, if the dirt sheets are to be believed. But then again, they *are* dirt sheets. Speaking of which...
I'm more inclined to believe it's coming from Vince, if the dirt sheets are to be believed. But then again, they *are* dirt sheets. Speaking of which...
Vince is such a troll. :lol:
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Val Venis is not amused by Melina and Morison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7SWb-lH86g&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7SWb-lH86g&feature=youtu.be
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Oh, goddammit, GET OVER IT ALREADY, IT'S BEEN TEN
ING YEARS.Malenko didn't shake up shit. Chris Masters has had a higher profile WWE career than 007 Dean Malenko.
Hell, his best WWF match was versus Scotty 2 Hotty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UtcPiiNEnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iBtcGmBveQ
I know, I know, Malenko's a company man. But who's dumb enough to believe this bullshit?
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Oh Zack Ryder. You and your visual metaphors.
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in Zack Ryder
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQoXvq64PU&feature=feedu[/QUOTE]First time I've seen a ZTLIS and it was more entertaining than anything I've seen on Raw this year. Zack Ryder, you deserve to get over. WWWYKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQoXvq64PU&feature=feedu[/QUOTE]First time I've seen a ZTLIS and it was more entertaining than anything I've seen on Raw this year. Zack Ryder, you deserve to get over. WWWYKI
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