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[quote name='Soodmeg']Wow, what the hell happened in this thread since I have been gone.

Why is there a Rose vs Rondo discussion? Its not like either one of them is a superstar yet, both are above average PGs in a conference of really shitty point guards anyway. I think its way to early for a true comparison, right now they are both basically the same player with only a slight difference.
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Nothing wrong with talking about players that aren't at the top of the league. He's a Chicago fan, I like the Celtics, we're just comparing players on our teams.

Feeding the Abscess

www.basketball-reference.com is a great site for all sorts of basketball stats. www.82games.com is also awesome.

Cool.

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On a different topic. Everybody happen to see Rose vs Rondo tonight? Bulls won an extremley important game...let's see how they played against each other, all of you who had your respective heads in Rondo's lap lately, Rose completly outplayed Rondo in every aspect of the game tonight. Just thought youd like to know.[/QUOTE]
I didn't see much of the game but I agree Rondo didn't play well at all. I wonder if he was sick yet then cause he did play like ass (from what I saw). Rose was excellent.

[quote name='bigtymer']In general I beat off to consecutive MVPs and consecutive 60 win seasons.
I never thought that shit bag of a Celts team would sweep last year because they are a worse team then the Cavs and the Bulls were a better team last year.[/QUOTE]

Celts a shit bag of a team last year? Bulls better last year?

[quote name='Drclaw411']I would have such a massive orgasmic errection if that useles pussy mother fucking bitch cunt asswipe cunt pussy bitch fucker Kevin Garnett is suspended for any amount of time. I hate him with the white hot passion of a trillion burning suns. I loathe Kevin Garnett so much. I hate him. Shaq, Rondo, LBJ yeah I don't like those guys either. But my pure and epic hatred for Kevin Garnett.[/QUOTE]

Suspended because the other guy was crowding an injured player? Sure Garnett shouldn't have elbowed, he was in the heat of the moment too. But some of the players at Miami just seem dirty. The Celtics were trying to protect their teammate and Miami shoves them into Paul Pierce on the floor. That is fucking low. Even after Garnett was out of the way they're forcing Davis so that he'll crush Pierce.

Celtics were off and on in that game, sometimes they'd pull off great offense and defense other times it would be a complete shutdown, not much in between. Still a decent start.

Why do you hate all those players you listed? Is it just based on how they act on the court during competitive play? Do you have anything they've said or done off the court that makes them so bad? I'd just like to learn more. Why do people hate Rondo? Every interview I've seen of him he's always very soft spoken. I don't see him celebrating like Lebron.
 
[quote name='J7.']Why do you hate all those players you listed? Is it just based on how they act on the court during competitive play? Do you have anything they've said or done off the court that makes them so bad? I'd just like to learn more. Why do people hate Rondo? Every interview I've seen of him he's always very soft spoken. I don't see him celebrating like Lebron.[/QUOTE]

Basically the reason I don't like those guys is because they seem to have this "holier than thou" attitude about them. They are cocky, they showboat, they think that the win is duely theirs, they like to rub blowouts into the face of opponents. Trash talking is one thing. Every player during every game does that. Hell, i'm a Bulls fan and MJ was king of trash talking. But the arrogance and swagger...I just don't like it.

-Kevin Garnett: I thought that during timeouts when he pounds his chest and puckers his lips. But he's trying to show up his opponents. Today, watch the replay. The elbow was uncalled for. He thinks he's the best player on the court, and he's just not. He acts like a royal jerk. Last year in the playoffs, there is a clip of Derrick Rose simply walking back to the bench durning a time out, not even acknowledging Garnett. But Garnett is right in Rose's face, barking and spraying it as he says it. There was anger and hatred on Garnett's face.

-Rajon Rondo: Dirty player. Plain and simple. See Brad Miller's bloody face (ESPN and TNT both said it should be a flagrant, i'm not alone on this.)

-Shaquille O'Neal: Rarely does a player think as highly of himself as Shaq does. He became a superstar via this formula: lob, but to Shaq, not the basket. Shaq could now easily go up for the dunk or layup...but he doesnt. He catches the ball, brings it down. Two dribbles. Elbow left! Elbow right! Defenders go flying. Shaq dunks. Foul called on one of the defenders. And he just isn't a star anymore...but he thinks he is. He last year yelled at a female reporter who asked how he was changing his game as he got older by responding "im still the baddest in the league!". Wtf..no he isnt and he never was. He has given himself plenty of nicknames, including LCL (last center left) and MDE (most dominant ever). He got offended by Dwight Howard's superman theme. And a few years ago, the Bulls were matched up against the Heat in round 1. Bulls had home court and the better reccord, yet Shaq spent the week leading up to the matchup challenging the Bulls and insulting them. Specifically, he insluted Kirk Hinrich, Scott Skiles, and said the Bulls "might have a glimmer of hope to steal a few games". Guess what, fat ass? Bulls swept you and your "White Hot Heat."

-Vince Carter: This guy. He has this thing where he tries his hardest against teams with players he personally doesn't like. He has a personal vendetta against Andres Nocioni because a foul that took place over 5 years ago. Good luck, Kings, beating Orlando until VC is gone.

-Brian Scalabrine: He thinks he matters and is as cocky as LeBronBron. He has so little to do with the Celtic's success, he didn't play a minute in the finals when Boston beat the Lakers, then afterwords went talked 8 minutes of shit about LA in the press conference and did it with major attitude and sense of entitlement. Seriously, how could the Celtics possibly make the playoffs they didn't have Jackie Moon to check in once ever 3 games to shoot 5 threes and have them all clank?

-LeBron James: Where do I begin? Not shaking hands with the Magic last year (or talking to the press) was stupid. And the riverdancing needs to stop. I thought it was a one time incident where he was trying to show up the Bulls because he hates Noah for some reason, but i've seen him do it probably 40 times over the past season. He is constantly getting into spats with opponents and 99 times out of 100 it's be while his team is blowing out the opponent. He likes to do that powder throwing thing on the road. Nobody else's fans want to see him claiming their stadium before games. Why does he do that? To proclaim himself The King/Best, even though he hasn't won a title yet.

-James Posey: The guy is a dirty player with a vendetta against the Bulls. He has injured Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, and Loul Deng in his career. All of them on dirty fouls (two of the three situations got him a flagrant 2).

-Bandwagon fans: Never really minded them, until I was at the United Center watching the Bulls as they swept the Heat a few years back. This jackass Heat fan was litterally telling Bulls fans not to cheer. He was constantly saying the phrase "Shut the fuck up and respect the world champs!" until he got escorted out by escorts.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']lakers got another easy playoff run[/QUOTE]

Bullshit. Every Western Conference playoff team is dangerous. While the Lakers should handle the Tunder in round 1, if they make it all the way, they get Denver/Utah in round 2, and probably Dallas/Phoenix/San Antonio in the conference finals (sorry, Blazers fans. Hope Brandon Roy heals quickly). That's far from an easy run. Not to mention the Finals, where the Lakers will likely face a team with a better record than theirs in Cleveland or Orlando.
 
[quote name='Drclaw411']Basically the reason I don't like those guys is because they seem to have this "holier than thou" attitude about them. They are cocky, they showboat, they think that the win is duely theirs, they like to rub blowouts into the face of opponents. Trash talking is one thing. Every player during every game does that. Hell, i'm a Bulls fan and MJ was king of trash talking. But the arrogance and swagger...I just don't like it.

-Kevin Garnett: I thought that during timeouts when he pounds his chest and puckers his lips. But he's trying to show up his opponents. Today, watch the replay. The elbow was uncalled for. He thinks he's the best player on the court, and he's just not. He acts like a royal jerk. Last year in the playoffs, there is a clip of Derrick Rose simply walking back to the bench durning a time out, not even acknowledging Garnett. But Garnett is right in Rose's face, barking and spraying it as he says it. There was anger and hatred on Garnett's face.

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Kevin Garnett is such a fake ass warrior it isn't even funny. All that chest pounding and barking never amounted to anything. He thinks he is a badass but he is all bark no bite. I remember years ago with the Timberwolves he would try to bait a truly great player like Tim Duncan and Duncan shit all over the "big ticket". Duncan would just laugh at him and school him. I really don't have a problem with anyone in the league as much as I do with him.

This is warrior Garnett fighting face to face in true warrior fashion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pTiEkfQ6pk

KG getting embarassed by Ginobli.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJtA4NxPkEA
 
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There was an ad for an All-Star game a few years ago that blatantly showed KG hooking someone to score. I'll see if I can find it. To me, KG is the dirtiest player in the game.

Makes you think someone making the clip didn't like him either.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Bullshit. Every Western Conference playoff team is dangerous. While the Lakers should handle the Tunder in round 1, if they make it all the way, they get Denver/Utah in round 2, and probably Dallas/Phoenix/San Antonio in the conference finals (sorry, Blazers fans. Hope Brandon Roy heals quickly). That's far from an easy run. Not to mention the Finals, where the Lakers will likely face a team with a better record than theirs in Cleveland or Orlando.[/QUOTE]
You're telling me utah/denver/thunder is a harder match up than spurs/mavs/phx?
forget portland btw what luck they have
 
I was kinda leaning towards the fracas being Kg's fault, then I saw Quentin Richardson's comments this morning about Pierce taking a break and I'm starting to think he said something stupid to key the whole thing
 
[quote name='Drclaw411']Basically the reason I don't like those guys is because they seem to have this "holier than thou" attitude about them. They are cocky, they showboat, they think that the win is duely theirs, they like to rub blowouts into the face of opponents. Trash talking is one thing. Every player during every game does that. Hell, i'm a Bulls fan and MJ was king of trash talking. But the arrogance and swagger...I just don't like it.

-Kevin Garnett: I thought that during timeouts when he pounds his chest and puckers his lips. But he's trying to show up his opponents. Today, watch the replay. The elbow was uncalled for. He thinks he's the best player on the court, and he's just not. He acts like a royal jerk. Last year in the playoffs, there is a clip of Derrick Rose simply walking back to the bench durning a time out, not even acknowledging Garnett. But Garnett is right in Rose's face, barking and spraying it as he says it. There was anger and hatred on Garnett's face.

-Rajon Rondo: Dirty player. Plain and simple. See Brad Miller's bloody face (ESPN and TNT both said it should be a flagrant, i'm not alone on this.)

-Shaquille O'Neal: Rarely does a player think as highly of himself as Shaq does. He became a superstar via this formula: lob, but to Shaq, not the basket. Shaq could now easily go up for the dunk or layup...but he doesnt. He catches the ball, brings it down. Two dribbles. Elbow left! Elbow right! Defenders go flying. Shaq dunks. Foul called on one of the defenders. And he just isn't a star anymore...but he thinks he is. He last year yelled at a female reporter who asked how he was changing his game as he got older by responding "im still the baddest in the league!". Wtf..no he isnt and he never was. He has given himself plenty of nicknames, including LCL (last center left) and MDE (most dominant ever). He got offended by Dwight Howard's superman theme. And a few years ago, the Bulls were matched up against the Heat in round 1. Bulls had home court and the better reccord, yet Shaq spent the week leading up to the matchup challenging the Bulls and insulting them. Specifically, he insluted Kirk Hinrich, Scott Skiles, and said the Bulls "might have a glimmer of hope to steal a few games". Guess what, fat ass? Bulls swept you and your "White Hot Heat."

-Vince Carter: This guy. He has this thing where he tries his hardest against teams with players he personally doesn't like. He has a personal vendetta against Andres Nocioni because a foul that took place over 5 years ago. Good luck, Kings, beating Orlando until VC is gone.

-Brian Scalabrine: He thinks he matters and is as cocky as LeBronBron. He has so little to do with the Celtic's success, he didn't play a minute in the finals when Boston beat the Lakers, then afterwords went talked 8 minutes of shit about LA in the press conference and did it with major attitude and sense of entitlement. Seriously, how could the Celtics possibly make the playoffs they didn't have Jackie Moon to check in once ever 3 games to shoot 5 threes and have them all clank?

-LeBron James: Where do I begin? Not shaking hands with the Magic last year (or talking to the press) was stupid. And the riverdancing needs to stop. I thought it was a one time incident where he was trying to show up the Bulls because he hates Noah for some reason, but i've seen him do it probably 40 times over the past season. He is constantly getting into spats with opponents and 99 times out of 100 it's be while his team is blowing out the opponent. He likes to do that powder throwing thing on the road. Nobody else's fans want to see him claiming their stadium before games. Why does he do that? To proclaim himself The King/Best, even though he hasn't won a title yet.

-James Posey: The guy is a dirty player with a vendetta against the Bulls. He has injured Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, and Loul Deng in his career. All of them on dirty fouls (two of the three situations got him a flagrant 2).

-Bandwagon fans: Never really minded them, until I was at the United Center watching the Bulls as they swept the Heat a few years back. This jackass Heat fan was litterally telling Bulls fans not to cheer. He was constantly saying the phrase "Shut the fuck up and respect the world champs!" until he got escorted out by escorts.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on Shaq. When the Suns traded Marion for him I was upset. Shaq came in with all his talk, I'm here to win a ring, make Amare better, blah blah blah. Half a season later and he's bitching about not getting enough touches. They trade his fat ass away for nothing, and guess what, they're a better team. Addition by subtraction.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']You're telling me utah/denver/thunder is a harder match up than spurs/mavs/phx?
forget portland btw what luck they have[/QUOTE]

honestly, id say yes. my opinion when it comes to playoff basketball: young teams are tougher to beat than old teams. every year we see a young team consider much more of an underdog than it should be end up taking the "better, more expierienced" team to 7 games or even beating them.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']You're telling me utah/denver/thunder is a harder match up than spurs/mavs/phx?
forget portland btw what luck they have[/QUOTE]

That's not what he said. The Lakers have to go through both of those matchups. It's not going to be easy for any team in the West this year.
 
Based on yesterday...
Cavs/Bulls - Went as expected; complete shutout in the first quarter.
Celts/Heat - KG elbow should easily have him suspended for a game or two. It was uncalled for. Glen Davis got out of their bench without throwing a bow... KG could have done the same thing.... Funny thing though... Looks Like Noah has already commented on KG's play last night... LOL... Bulls players talking about other games when they should worry about their own.

As for the Lakers, I personally don't feel it is theirs for the taking anymore in the West. Kobe is playing under 100% and Bynum is coming off injury.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']You're telling me utah/denver/thunder is a harder match up than spurs/mavs/phx?
forget portland btw what luck they have[/QUOTE]

Of course not, but the 1 seed is SUPPOSED to get the easiest path. And I don't see that much difference since the west is so tough. I don't see a lot of difference between Utah/Denver or spurs/mavs/suns personally.
 
[quote name='Immortal fWd']That's not what he said. The Lakers have to go through both of those matchups. It's not going to be easy for any team in the West this year.[/QUOTE]

This.
 
Magic took care of the Bobcats 98-89. Made it interesting letting a 22 point lead get whittled down to 4, but it was never really in question. Great game from Nelson.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Magic took care of the Bobcats 98-89. Made it interesting letting a 22 point lead get whittled down to 4, but it was never really in question. Great game from Nelson.[/QUOTE]

Magic need to figure out how to score inside, or they won't be in the playoffs for long. They have too many perimeter players.
 
KG got a one game suspension. Hard to defend the elbow but Quentin Richardson should get a game for instigating all that shit.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']KG got a one game suspension. Hard to defend the elbow but Quentin Richardson should get a game for instigating all that shit.[/QUOTE]

I agree KG should sit a game for that elbow. But Q can't really be punished because there is no objective evidence that he started it. KG backed him off with a little elbow immediately when he came up, so that might have started him shit talking before the big elbow was thrown. Either way its done and the Heat need to grasp the opportunity and win game 2.

Dirk was absurd: 12-14 from the floor and 12-12 from the line. Spurs didn't look as old as they have in recent memory so I expect them to pick it up in the series.

The Thunder can't have Durant shooting 30%, I think he was afraid of Artest's blonde hair. But the Lakers were sloppy too so who knows.
 
[quote name='Drclaw411']Basically the reason I don't like those guys is because they seem to have this "holier than thou" attitude about them. They are cocky, they showboat, they think that the win is duely theirs, they like to rub blowouts into the face of opponents. Trash talking is one thing. Every player during every game does that. Hell, i'm a Bulls fan and MJ was king of trash talking. But the arrogance and swagger...I just don't like it.

-Kevin Garnett: I thought that during timeouts when he pounds his chest and puckers his lips. But he's trying to show up his opponents. Today, watch the replay. The elbow was uncalled for. He thinks he's the best player on the court, and he's just not. He acts like a royal jerk. Last year in the playoffs, there is a clip of Derrick Rose simply walking back to the bench durning a time out, not even acknowledging Garnett. But Garnett is right in Rose's face, barking and spraying it as he says it. There was anger and hatred on Garnett's face.

-Rajon Rondo: Dirty player. Plain and simple. See Brad Miller's bloody face (ESPN and TNT both said it should be a flagrant, i'm not alone on this.)

-Shaquille O'Neal: Rarely does a player think as highly of himself as Shaq does. He became a superstar via this formula: lob, but to Shaq, not the basket. Shaq could now easily go up for the dunk or layup...but he doesnt. He catches the ball, brings it down. Two dribbles. Elbow left! Elbow right! Defenders go flying. Shaq dunks. Foul called on one of the defenders. And he just isn't a star anymore...but he thinks he is. He last year yelled at a female reporter who asked how he was changing his game as he got older by responding "im still the baddest in the league!". Wtf..no he isnt and he never was. He has given himself plenty of nicknames, including LCL (last center left) and MDE (most dominant ever). He got offended by Dwight Howard's superman theme. And a few years ago, the Bulls were matched up against the Heat in round 1. Bulls had home court and the better reccord, yet Shaq spent the week leading up to the matchup challenging the Bulls and insulting them. Specifically, he insluted Kirk Hinrich, Scott Skiles, and said the Bulls "might have a glimmer of hope to steal a few games". Guess what, fat ass? Bulls swept you and your "White Hot Heat."

-Vince Carter: This guy. He has this thing where he tries his hardest against teams with players he personally doesn't like. He has a personal vendetta against Andres Nocioni because a foul that took place over 5 years ago. Good luck, Kings, beating Orlando until VC is gone.

-Brian Scalabrine: He thinks he matters and is as cocky as LeBronBron. He has so little to do with the Celtic's success, he didn't play a minute in the finals when Boston beat the Lakers, then afterwords went talked 8 minutes of shit about LA in the press conference and did it with major attitude and sense of entitlement. Seriously, how could the Celtics possibly make the playoffs they didn't have Jackie Moon to check in once ever 3 games to shoot 5 threes and have them all clank?

-LeBron James: Where do I begin? Not shaking hands with the Magic last year (or talking to the press) was stupid. And the riverdancing needs to stop. I thought it was a one time incident where he was trying to show up the Bulls because he hates Noah for some reason, but i've seen him do it probably 40 times over the past season. He is constantly getting into spats with opponents and 99 times out of 100 it's be while his team is blowing out the opponent. He likes to do that powder throwing thing on the road. Nobody else's fans want to see him claiming their stadium before games. Why does he do that? To proclaim himself The King/Best, even though he hasn't won a title yet.

-James Posey: The guy is a dirty player with a vendetta against the Bulls. He has injured Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, and Loul Deng in his career. All of them on dirty fouls (two of the three situations got him a flagrant 2).

-Bandwagon fans: Never really minded them, until I was at the United Center watching the Bulls as they swept the Heat a few years back. This jackass Heat fan was litterally telling Bulls fans not to cheer. He was constantly saying the phrase "Shut the fuck up and respect the world champs!" until he got escorted out by escorts.[/QUOTE]
Here is my take:
KG- just a very heated player, likes to get into it and be very competitive.
RR- That was 1 play. He didn't mean to do as much damage as he did. He was just trying to stop the guy from scoring. When you really need to stop a bigger player from getting the bucket, especially when you're small, you gotta foul hard. The whole game was on the line, even the series in the playoffs. You can't determine his entire character from 1 play in that situation.
Shaq- I agree he has a huge ego. I don't intensely hate him for that, just laugh at him for it and dislike him a bit.
VC- Don't all players play harder against teams or players they dislike?
BS- Well he's just making a fool of himself.
LJ- He does have a ego, then again I think he is very talented and everyone tells him he is king.
JP- Maybe he is an ass. I can see that anyone from Chicago would especially think so.
BF- Let's not apply 1 guy to everyone. I used to dislike BF but then I started to just understand that some aren't into the sport that much and get more into it when teams they like do better, just like regular fans.

Something I do hate is how some rich people who have no appreciation for the game get to sit in the best seats anytime they want, while others with the most appreciation may not ever get to goto a game.
 
[quote name='J7.']Something I do hate is how some rich people who have no appreciation for the game get to sit in the best seats anytime they want, while others with the most appreciation may not ever get to goto a game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah amen to that. I admit I have season tickets (not courtside, but still good seats) to the Cubs and Bulls. And nothing pisses me off more than when the best seats of playoff games go to stubhub crowds. I remember in 2008 during the Cubs playoffs when they went down during game one, I attempted to start a "Lets Go Cubs" chant. Any normal Wrigley crowd would have been electric trying to rally the team, which led baseball in come from behind wins that year. But on this day, there were rich dudes with tucked in shirts looking at me like I was insane. It happens all over every sport (far more commonly in the playoffs than the regular season) and it's really annoying.

As for your take on the guys I don't like, I can see your side on most of those, but I still feel the same thing about them (agree to disagree here). I should have eleaborated on VC though. I didn't mean he just tries harder against teams with players he doesn't like, I basically feel (and I could be wrong) that he doesn't give 100% games against opponents he doesn't have it out for. If he did what he does against teams with players that he doesn't like every single night, he'd be in the Bryant/Wade/Durant/James category. As for Rondo, in NBA discussion with my buddies i've actually admitted that was a very smart play. The Celtics were down by 2, 0 timeouts, the clock was winding down and the Bulls had won every game in overtime in that series (not to mention the fact that if the Bulls win, then the rest of the series plays out with the same way, and who knows if it would have, the Bulls win the series). So Rondo knew he that Miller had an open lane, and that if he scored it most likely meant a first round exit for Boston. In a split second he had to think "Ok, if he scores we're probably going home. I can't make a play on that ball, I've got to pull him down hard enough to keep him from scoring, and hope they don't call a flagrant." The refs didn't, and it worked out for Rondo. So I guess I should watch Rondo more before judging him, but honestly just as a Bulls fan I don't ever think i'll be able to get over the dislike for the guy because of that play, even though it was smart on his part. I'm just as mad at the refs who should have called a flagrant (even if i wasn't a Bulls fan I'd think that one should be a flagrant based on the official rule (A flagrant foul (1) is when a player makes a hard play on an opposing player's body and not on the ball or when said player doesn't have the ball, with our without intent to cause injury.)).
 
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VC more irritates me because he wastes a lot of potential. Foul the guy hard once and he is a jump shooter the rest of the game.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Magic need to figure out how to score inside, or they won't be in the playoffs for long. They have too many perimeter players.[/QUOTE]

You obviously didn't watch the game. Yes, Dwight was held down (due to foul trouble - 2 of them being bogus fouls) but Nelson scored the majority of his points in the lane. Lewis also scored a bunch of points inside the line, including a couple good drives to the basket. Carter's only points were inside the paint.

The reason the score got back under 10 points was some bogus foul calls in the third quarter. They let both teams play all game yet starting calling tacky hand checks, etc when Charlotte was down by 22. These only went against Orlando... case in point... Wallace went over the back on a good majority of his rebounds (I can't remember one of them being called).

[quote name='Drclaw411']As for your take on the guys I don't like, I can see your side on most of those, but I still feel the same thing about them (agree to disagree here). I should have eleaborated on VC though. I didn't mean he just tries harder against teams with players he doesn't like, I basically feel (and I could be wrong) that he doesn't give 100% games against opponents he doesn't have it out for. If he did what he does against teams with players that he doesn't like every single night, he'd be in the Bryant/Wade/Durant/James category.[/QUOTE]

Vince plays hard against all teams. He is just older now and plays with better players now (the Magic hands down is the deepest team in the NBA).
Just a couple games back... please let me know which player he has it out for that made him score on these teams...
4-14: Philly... drop 17 on them on 6-8 shooting
4-12: Indiana... drop 21 on them on 5-11 shooting (no threes)
4-9: New York... drop 25 on them on 9-19 shooting
4-4: Memphis... drop 26 on them on 9-18 shooting
With your original comment about him on Nocioni... First off, Nocioni is garbage; hence his playing time... now that it is over... The only game Vince played against Sac this season he didn't shoot all that much in comparison to other games (only 7 shots for 11 points). Since I didn't see that game, I couldn't tell you how hard he played for those 7 shots but based on numbers it appears like he didn't play as hard... kind of kills your theory.
 
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[quote name='lordopus99']Vince plays hard against all teams. He is just older now and plays with better players now (the Magic hands down is the team with the most players who can demoralize you with threes).[/QUOTE]
Fixed.

Williams/Carter/Pietrus/Nelson/Reddick/Barnes/Lewis/Anderson for 3!!!!!!!

In other news, Howard's stat line: 9 points on 5 attempts, 20 rebounds, 10 assists
 
[quote name='lordopus99']You obviously didn't watch the game. Yes, Dwight was held down (due to foul trouble - 2 of them being bogus fouls) but Nelson scored the majority of his points in the lane. Lewis also scored a bunch of points inside the line, including a couple good drives to the basket. Carter's only points were inside the paint.

The reason the score got back under 10 points was some bogus foul calls in the third quarter. They let both teams play all game yet starting calling tacky hand checks, etc when Charlotte was down by 22. These only went against Orlando... case in point... Wallace went over the back on a good majority of his rebounds (I can't remember one of them being called).
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Eh, I didn't watch the first half, but looking at the third and fourth quarter, I don't remember Nelson doing a whole lot, and Vince was bombing away outside the paint. I saw Howard clearly hit Wallace in the back of the head once, so I would say the nonfoul calls were pretty even.:) The frustrating thing about Vince is he CAN get to the basket, he just chooses not to, and lobs up crazy jumpers instead.
 
Orlando can score inside, but they are definitely a more perimeter oriented team. They were last year as well and made the finals, no need to change now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Orlando can score inside, but they are definitely a more perimeter oriented team. They were last year as well and made the finals, no need to change now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.[/QUOTE]

Well, while that's true, they didn't win it all last year with roughly the same type of team. Vince definitely needs to step it up and take it hard to the hole, and Nelson needs to keep penetrating to free up the outside shooters.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Well, while that's true, they didn't win it all last year with roughly the same type of team. Vince definitely needs to step it up and take it hard to the hole, and Nelson needs to keep penetrating to free up the outside shooters.[/QUOTE]

True, but they weren't that far off. They lost the finals 4-1--but two games they lost in OT so it could have easily went the other way.

And the team is much better this year IMO. Nelson is healthy. Williams is a better back up PG than Alston. Adding Barnes, Anderson and Bass added much needed depth at forward.

VC is a more consistent scorer than Turkoglu. Reddick has improved a lot.

But yeah, they need to keep penetrating, get Howard involved a bit more as that opens up the perimeter. But they've done a good job of that all year, especially since the all star break.
 
[quote name='docvinh']What's gotten into Deng tonight, he looks like he wants to play all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]

I think the Bulls can win 2 games in the series. That being said, I did not think they would win any in Cleveland. Hopefully they bring it in the 2nd half as well.

Wow, somehow I didn't get my predictions in til today oh well... a little late but:

East
Cavs over Bulls 4-2
Magic over Bobcats 4-1
Hawks over Bucks 4-2
Celtics over Heat 4-3

West
Lakers over Thunder 4-1
Mavs over Spurs 4-3
Suns over Trailblazers 4-2
Jazz over Nuggets 4-2

As a huge Tim Duncan fan, I would love to see the Spurs make another title run, but I think the west is just too nasty.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']I think a baby dies everytime Noah shoots a J. Man he has terrible form[/QUOTE]

The saddest part about it is that it looks much better then it used to.
 
I hate LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal, and Mike Brown. fuck three point shooting. I hate three point shooting. I hate that LeBron knows his team is better, and I loath that he feels this series belongs to him and is rightfully his.

God damn the Cleveland Cavaliers three point shooting ability.
 
Didn't get to watch the game, but just saw the box score. What the hell got into Noah--25 pts and 13 boards!? All for naught with Lebrons 40, 8 and 8, but that stat line jumped out at me.
 
[quote name='Drclaw411']I hate that LeBron knows his team is better, and I loath that he feels this series belongs to him and is rightfully his. .[/QUOTE]

That's confidence not pompousness; you are getting them confused. He is on the best team in the league he has earned that confidence. LBJ cannot be guarded when he is making jump shots period. And when Jamario Moon has a little confidence in the corner do not leave him open.
Bulls did play a solid game defensively: forced a lot of turnovers and got a lot of offensive boards. Shaq sitting with four fouls had something to do with it but still too many second shot opportunities. Noah needs to run to the plane before he says something else and really pisses them off. (I don't know if it made national news but Noah said Cleveland sucks in an interview.)
 
The Bulls couldn't have played much better. They can only hope the Cavaliers struggle on the road.

I'm surprised that Utah could win without AK or Okur.
 
[quote name='Drclaw411'])).[/QUOTE]
I can definitely relate to what you're saying. I don't think we can make judgements about how the series would go if the Bulls won game 5. That is hindsight to me. Each team did win 2 games away prior to game 5. I think everything would've played out differently had the Celtics lost that game. There's truth to what we're both saying and being fans of each team we'll just have to agree to disagree. That was one helluva series though. I had forgotten how awesome it was to watch.
 
Haha Celtics friggin owned the Heat!!! 106-77

"I knew the Big Ticket was out and the Ticket Stub had to fly back in," Davis said. "I knew what the coaches wanted me to do tonight. Whenever they need me, the Ticket Stub will be here. Big Baby is here for the team. Glen Davis isn't worried about the next game. He is worried about doing whatever he needs to do for his team."

I think Ray Allen was like 7 of 9 for 3 pointers and could've hit a load more if he was kept in the game and broken the playoffs record he is tied for. He was 5 of 6 in the 3rd quarter.

Boston held Miami to 34.1 percent shooting in the half and 20 percent (4-of-20) in the second quarter. The Heat finished 38.2 percent from the floor and were outrebounded 50-32.
 
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