2009/2010 NFL Thread - Combine Time - Draft 4/22 -

[quote name='bvharris']If you think either of those teams has much of a shot at catching the Patriots, I'm not sure which teams you've been watching over the last month or so. Of course the division isn't over, but there's a pretty wide quality discrepancy. The Patriots weren't bad tonight by any means, their coach just let them down (the defense isn't blameless either).[/QUOTE]

Right, I'm not saying they will, but the fact that 2 teams like the Dolphins and the Jets to be within 2 games is kinda crazy.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']There is a certain point in EVERYTHING in life... when there is THAT moment when you realize that you are no longer immortal, that there are chinks in the armor.

Rocky just cut the big bag Russian tonight. And the Big Bad Russian realizes it. Is the Big Bad Russian still big and bad, of course. But now he knows he's human.[/QUOTE]

You think the Colts are Rocky? Dude, they've won more games than any team this decade. They won a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning is their Quarterback. They were favored in this game by six.

Underdog story of the century right there.
 
I don't know what bill was thinking. but he has a history of bizarre calls like that.

what I do know is I need a huge game from Ray rice tomorrow night to win my fantasy game.
 
Bill didn't have confidence in his defense stopping Manning because he lost two of his linebackers early on and he couldn't rotate anybody out, they were completely exhausted. I still wouldn't have gone for it on 4th down there, I would've gone for it on the prior possession instead of trying to run out the clock so early. They went away from what was working, that was the real mistake.

If you're going to go for it on 4th and 2, why not run the ball on 3rd and 2 and maybe make it a 4th and 1 if you don't get it?

Regardless, without the phantom PI call on Butler this doesn't happen.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Bill didn't have confidence in his defense stopping Manning because he lost two of his linebackers early on and he couldn't rotate anybody out, they were completely exhausted. I still wouldn't have gone for it on 4th down there, I would've gone for it on the prior possession instead of trying to run out the clock so early. They went away from what was working, that was the real mistake.

If you're going to go for it on 4th and 2, why not run the ball on 3rd and 2 and maybe make it a 4th and 1 if you don't get it?

Regardless, without the phantom PI call on Butler this doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]

It will be overlooked, but I was screaming at my TV when they came out and ran on 1st down. Yeah, Faulk had been running well, but I think I come out and throw there. In fact I would have kept throwing until they reached the two minute. Really everything about the final 2 drives bugged the hell out of me.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You think the Colts are Rocky? Dude, they've won more games than any team this decade. They won a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning is their Quarterback. They were favored in this game by six.

Underdog story of the century right there.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe the Colts were necessarily Rocky, but myself, and most of the rest of the sports world believes that the New England Patriots are the Big Bad Russian.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']I don't believe the Colts were necessarily Rocky, but myself, and most of the rest of the sports world believes that the New England Patriots are the Big Bad Russian.[/QUOTE]

And you think that THIS was the moment they realized they weren't immortal? Did you just start following the NFL last week? I think the 2007 Super Bowl or losing Tom Brady for all of last season probably did the trick better than this week 10 regular season loss did.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It will be overlooked, but I was screaming at my TV when they came out and ran on 1st down. Yeah, Faulk had been running well, but I think I come out and throw there. In fact I would have kept throwing until they reached the two minute. Really everything about the final 2 drives bugged the hell out of me.[/QUOTE]
Mauroney's fumble in the endzone ended up being huge as well. Never had any use for him, but they've got no alternative with just Faulk and Lawfirm on the roster. Their run blocking isn't real good either but just having Morris or Taylor back would make a huge difference.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Mauroney's fumble in the endzone ended up being huge as well. Never had any use for him, but they've got no alternative with just Faulk and Lawfirm on the roster. Their run blocking isn't real good either but just having Morris or Taylor back would make a huge difference.[/QUOTE]

Dancin' Lawrence. He's the polar opposite of "just when I'm out he pulls me back in". Just when I start to think he's not totally useless, he reminds me that we could have had DeAngelo Williams instead (which is who I wanted them to pick in that spot at the time).
 
[quote name='bvharris']And you think that THIS was the moment they realized they weren't immortal? Did you just start following the NFL last week? I think the 2007 Super Bowl or losing Tom Brady for all of last season probably did the trick better than this week 10 regular season loss did.[/QUOTE]

No. I have been watching and following football for years. Those two events were aberrations; tonight was confirmation.
While you are playing God in this thread... think some of your answers out.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']No. I have been watching and following football for years. Those two events were aberrations; tonight was confirmation.
While you are playing God in this thread... think some of your answers out.[/QUOTE]

You're right, this was the moment, obviously. The Patriots have had plenty of tough losses over the past few years which have shown them to be plenty human. I just mentioned two of them. This is not even the first humongous 4th quarter collapse they've had against the Colts. The last one was in the playoffs. If every other big loss I mention is just going to be an "aberration" than there's really no arguing with you, is there? Obviously you're right.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I apologize for the poor video. It is not mine.
[/QUOTE]

It doesn't really matter. You know they're not getting the benefit of the doubt on the road in such a big spot. If they hadn't wasted two timeouts in the minute before that, then they could have challenged it. Maybe they would have won that challenge. But they did waste those timeouts, so they have only themselves - not the refs - to blame.
 
It's funny how the Patriots fortune changes on a dime after they get revealed for being the cheats that they are. Those 3 Superbowls all have big asterisks next to them besides the fact that the "Dynasty" won by a combined 9 points. Nothing screams a great team like being lucky when you cheat to win by a field goal each time.

Bellicheat gets exposed and the 18-0 Pats lose in the biggest upset in Superbowl history to the Giants. I hear Pat fans still have nightmares and wake up crying because of David Tyree. Now the Pats had their biggest regular season loss ever to their #1 conference rival.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']It's funny how the Patriots fortune changes on a dime after they get revealed for being the cheats that they are. Those 3 Superbowls all have big asterisks next to them besides the fact that the "Dynasty" won by a combined 9 points. Nothing screams a great team like being lucky when you cheat to win by a field goal each time.

Bellicheat gets exposed and the 18-0 Pats lose in the biggest upset in Superbowl history to the Giants. I hear Pat fans still have nightmares and wake up crying because of David Tyree. Now the Pats had their biggest regular season loss ever to their #1 conference rival.[/QUOTE]

:roll:
 
Watching the game last night I thought it was over when the pats went for it on 4th and 2. Honestly, who thought that Brady and the Pats wouldn't pick up the 1st down(seen this a ton of times).However, Peyton Manning is on the other side line you can't give him only 29 yards to pay dirt, especially when your D is tired and he is on fire. That said I'm very happy since I'm a Colts fan :D
 
Does everyone else cheer for such terrible teams that you all have to hate the Patriots? Don't get me wrong, I don't like them, but holy crap, they're a terrific team. The fact that people constantly call theam cheaters is lame.
It was cool when they were actually cheating. Now, not so much.

I'm guessing most of the haters are Bills, Jets and Dolphins fans. Fun news: 2 of these 3 are terrible. One is average.

It's not like its worth insulting such petty teams when the Vikings are obviously going all the way this year :p
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']Does everyone else cheer for such terrible teams that you all have to hate the Patriots? Don't get me wrong, I don't like them, but holy crap, they're a terrific team. The fact that people constantly call theam cheaters is lame.
It was cool when they were actually cheating. Now, not so much.

I'm guessing most of the haters are Bills, Jets and Dolphins fans. Fun news: 2 of these 3 are terrible. One is average.

It's not like its worth insulting such petty teams when the Vikings are obviously going all the way this year :p[/QUOTE]
They're the Yankees of the NFL, who everyone else loves to hate and see them lose the big games. I don't see how you'd have to be a fan of a bad team to hate the Patriots.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']When does the security guard for the Pats get arrested for assaulting a cameraman? What a f'ing goon that guy is.[/QUOTE]
He gets arrested when Don Zimmer is sentenced for throwing a punch at Pedro.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I apologize for the poor video. It is not mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My8i1Scxh9U[/QUOTE]
This is what I was fucking saying last night yet all the haters didn't want to hear none of it... He did not bobble the ball like they said he did. He had a small bobble at first and then got possesion right away while he was past the 1st down line. I watched the replays again on tv today and they only confirm my belief further and further.

[quote name='wildcpac']It's funny how the Patriots fortune changes on a dime after they get revealed for being the cheats that they are. Those 3 Superbowls all have big asterisks next to them besides the fact that the "Dynasty" won by a combined 9 points. Nothing screams a great team like being lucky when you cheat to win by a field goal each time.

Bellicheat gets exposed and the 18-0 Pats lose in the biggest upset in Superbowl history to the Giants. I hear Pat fans still have nightmares and wake up crying because of David Tyree. Now the Pats had their biggest regular season loss ever to their #1 conference rival.[/QUOTE]
:roll: That is why they had an undefeated season AFTER that happened, that is why they had a good enough record to make the playoffs last year with a crappy QB who hadn't played since highschool, that is why they are becoming good enough again to be the only team to make an undefeated team this season look like crap.
 
I hate the Patriots but people need to get over the video thing. That isn't why they are a good team. They have a smart coach and a good owner. They know who to hire and who to draft. They aren't the Yankees of the NFL because they don't throw money at every big free agent. In fact they let a lot of people walk. In fact they are more like the Red Sox: Building from within and adding key pieces via trade when necessary.

Honestly look at some of the moves they have made: Trading for an "aging" Randy Moss. Trading for Wes Welker. Signing Heath Evans from the scrap heap. The teams just knows how to win. Get over it. This coming from a guy that hates all NY and Boston teams.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']They aren't the Yankees of the NFL because they don't throw money at every big free agent. In fact they let a lot of people walk.[/QUOTE]
Because of the way the salary cap is handled, it should've been obvious that the spending wasn't what the "Yankees of the NFL" term referred to. It's the whole "very successful and their ability completely dominate the media coverage of the NFL" aspect that people hate about the Yankees.
 
No I got that too but considering the fact that the Yankees hadn't won in 8 years until this year, I figured the RS were a better comparison. But I get where you are coming from. Plus the Yankees ARE a bunch of cheaters. Arod, Petite Giambi etc....
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Didn't the Colts play poorly against San Francisco and barely get away with a win? Though I wouldn't say scoring 35 points is crap.[/QUOTE]
You do have to admit the Pats dominated almost the entire game & almost easily had 3 more touchdowns, including 2 TOs in the endzone. I think they stopped playing at the level they should've been because they felt confident with their lead in the 4th. The score could've easily been 48-28.
 
I get the feeling that people like the Red Sox a lot more than the Yankees because of sympathy when they broke their extremely long championship drought. The Yankees won several championships in a few years, so it was great to see them lose to Arizona and then not be able to win it for eight years so other teams could take the spotlight.
 
[quote name='J7.']You do have to admit the Pats dominated almost the entire game & almost easily had 3 more touchdowns, including 2 TOs in the endzone. I think they stopped playing at the level they should've been because they felt confident with their lead in the 4th. The score could've easily been 48-28.[/QUOTE]
I didn't watch the game to know how it went other than what recaps have said. Just looking at their season so far, they've scored less than 28 four times (2 point win over Jacksonville, 4 point win over Miami and San Francisco, and a 3 point win over Houston.) as what I'd consider crap games against weaker team than their performance against the Pats.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I swear every MNF game at least one of the commentators names somebody THE GREATEST PLAYER in the NFL, the most DYNAMIC player in the league, someone who has REVOLUTIONIZED the position, etc..

:lol:
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I didn't watch the game to know how it went other than what recaps have said. Just looking at their season so far, they've scored less than 28 four times (2 point win over Jacksonville, 4 point win over Miami and San Francisco, and a 3 point win over Houston.) as what I'd consider crap games against weaker team than their performance against the Pats.[/QUOTE]
Well they always try to bring their A game when they play the Pats & they were held to 14 points before the 4th quarter began.
 
4th quarter: Isn't that when it matters?

Colts played like shit in Miami and should've been dominated on the scoreboard. Pats should've lost in Buffalo, but had the ball bounce their way. It is what it is. It's easy to argue that if this had happened, the result would've been this. There were plays to be made on both sides outside of the 4th and 2 debacle. It just went Indy's way this time. Give some credit where it's due.
 
Bellichek shouldn't have done it. It was a stupid, arrogant decision by him. He deserved it. He needs to be taken down a peg once in a while. But I honestly see them playing in the Playoffs, and New England kicking the living crap out of them.

Here's what I'll say about the Redskins:
If they win the game on Sunday (btw, why the hell is it a 1pm EST start when it's in Dallas?) which, by the way they have ZERO chance in hell of winning, they'll make the Playoffs. And I'd be pissed about that because Jim Zorn needs to be fired and Daniel Snyder needs to realize his way ain't working.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']No I got that too but considering the fact that the Yankees hadn't won in 8 years until this year, I figured the RS were a better comparison. But I get where you are coming from. Plus the Yankees ARE a bunch of cheaters. Arod, Petite Giambi etc....[/QUOTE]

Glad to see blind Yankee hate creep into every sports-related thread possible. You make it sound like only Yankee players took PEDs. Unfortunately, the whole era is tainted by them.
 
all this talk about bellichek making a stupid decision. it was a gamble, thats it. if they had converted and ran down the clock everyone would have said it was a genius move to avoid giving peyton manning the ball. people just want to hate on the patriots and espn just wants any story they can run into the ground (positive or negative) about them.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']all this talk about bellichek making a stupid decision. it was a gamble, thats it. if they had converted and ran down the clock everyone would have said it was a genius move to avoid giving peyton manning the ball. people just want to hate on the patriots and espn just wants any story they can run into the ground (positive or negative) about them.[/QUOTE]

It's not just people who want to hate the Patriots. I'm a die-hard Pats fan and I didn't agree with it at the time and still don't. I've seen the analysis that says it wasn't the worst gamble ever and I understand that view of it, but to me I would still have trusted the defense there (or run a better play on 4th down).
 
I guess the fight for worst team in the NFL (Cleveland at Detroit) is favoring the Lions. This is the best the Browns have played since they were screwed out of the playoffs a few years ago, though I'm sure it's a one day show.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Leigh Bodden has caught more of Sanchez's throws than any Jets receiver.[/QUOTE]


I heard that Bellicheat taped the Jets practice so the Pats knew where all of the balls were going to be thrown to.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Can't believe the Raider's beat the Bengals![/QUOTE]

Was it retro day today for the Bengals? They showed flashes of their old ways blowing that game to the Raiders. I can't believe that the Chiefs beat the Steelers.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I heard that Bellicheat taped the Jets practice so the Pats knew where all of the balls were going to be thrown to.[/QUOTE]
All they needed to do was to check which receiver Sanchez was staring at after the snap. He telegraphs every pass he makes.
 
Best part about the Lions/Browns playing an awesome game is that nobody in Detroit saw it because of the home blackout, and nobody saw it live because it's the fucking Lions.
 
[quote name='J7.']that is why they had a good enough record to make the playoffs last year with a crappy QB who hadn't played since highschool[/QUOTE]

Last I checked, their record wasn't good enough to make the playoffs last year! I hate the Patriots but mostly because I'm just sick of them winning all the time and their head coach is unlikable in just about every way other than the fact he is mostly brilliant football-wise. I used to give him a pass because he was the defensive coordinator for my favorite Super Bowl champion team once upon a time but now I just think he is a douchebag bully. I still watch them Pats every time they are on because they are damn good and I love football.
 
Do the Trainers wipe the player's asses when they take a crap too? Is it that hard for them to squeeze the bottle to get water themselves?
 
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